Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

What else would the reparations be for?

So because we had the rule of law in this country and constitutional rights that everyone benefits from, (including black people) we need to collectively take responsibility for our past, that we didn't contribute to? So black people need to take responsibility for the negatives of our past and slavery too? Since they also enjoy the high standard of living and rule of law that we all enjoy today?
This is the world I was born into, the only world that I have responsibility for is the one I live in now, and maybe the one for the next generation. After that, we don't have much control, and before today we had ZERO control.

And what would taking responsibility look like exactly? Other than a big ole WHOOPSIE our-B we won't enslave people again...lesson learned.

So my Aunt who was born and raised in the Philipines, and recently gained US citizenship is somehow responsible for the past failures of the US government.

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Ur phillipino! Ur more white washed than Scoots! loll

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Good luck holding it up in court that long.

But the people who wronged them wasn't the government, and it was slave owners.

And we're like 5-6 generations down at this point, there is no one alive today that has ever met someone who was wronged, and this point the closest we get is people saying they're great grandmother told them story's her Grandfather told her about slavery.

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I'd say the govt allowing slavery, and upholding that law, would be considered doing them wrong.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Good luck holding it up in court that long.

But the people who wronged them wasn't the government, and it was slave owners.

And we're like 5-6 generations down at this point, there is no one alive today that has ever met someone who was wronged, and this point the closest we get is people saying they're great grandmother told them story's her Grandfather told her about slavery.

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You don't feel that the US government has any responsibility for what it permits to happen. That's fine. I disagree. We had an argument in our constitution about how to ****ing count the slaves for purposes of our electoral college and representation. That makes me want to puke... especially when a bunch of people start furiously masturbating about the founding fathers.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

I'd say the govt allowing slavery, and upholding that law, would be considered doing them wrong.

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Yeah it's like he never heard of Dred scott.

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Originally Posted by SfgiantsJD3

The solution requires so much more than a check or payments over time. There needs to be more money for less children, there needs to be child care so education can happen, there needs to a method of getting a safe place to live where drugs or the NBA aren't the most viable avenues out of poverty. There needs to be a benefit for a family unit whether the unit is in a single house or members actively participating that cares for a child. The benefit should increase the more someone succeeds or tries.

There needs to be skills based training for jobs that doesn't require a college degree. There needs to be an incentive for fathers to stick around or live close and this will take 40-50 years to cycle through a few generations.
Whatever the solution it needs to be for people of color only (not white women, and all the other "minorities" that weren't equally disadvantaged).

I just happen to think the government will fail on implementation, too many heretofors and wherins and creation of "measurable" metrics .

Without education and stability however much money is transferred a large percentage will be "relieved" of the funds by ill intention-ed businesses and con artists or the get rich schemes sold every day and the cycle repeats

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Crime and drugs are lower where more traditional families live. Schools are better where traditional families are common. Don't give money out to poor people. Give police a bonus or a tax break for living in and patrolling on foot, the worst neighborhoods. Give tax breaks to locally owned businesses to employ locals from the poor neighborhoods. Subsidize loans for those businesses for training classes for local employees.

Benefit for the family unit ... Can't do it. Single parents have been so championed there is no way we go back and champion "nuclear" families. I don't know how you walk back the last 40 years of saying single parents are just as good. But we definitely can get rid of the laws that incentivize single parent homes.

I disagree that the effort should only be for black people. I think that anything that singles out a race is negative. Focus on making the laws and the rules truly equal and focus on people who are suffering, you'll get a lot of black people that way.

There are limits to cultural responsibility. This country was founded by people who came here, and in many cases were sponsored by, other countries that have a massive list of atrocities in their past. Are we responsible for their actions too?

At any rate. There is no point continuing this discussion because nobody here is for reparations anyhow.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

Or "fix" black/poor communities/schools/families.

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trouble with the country today is that "fixes" require hard lines and actual sacrifice and effort.........we are in a 'Minimal Effort/Minimal Patience' society now. Pick your issue and that's what gets everyone all riled up...........Immigration?.....we want immigration controlled......except only you have to do it without hurting anyone's feelings, telling anyone no or anyone sacrificing a dollar. It's not possible. Fixes for anything are hard and we spend more time jerking around trying to figure out how to make it easy and pleasant on everyone and everything.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

Crime and drugs are lower where more traditional families live. Schools are better where traditional families are common. Don't give money out to poor people. Give police a bonus or a tax break for living in and patrolling on foot, the worst neighborhoods. Give tax breaks to locally owned businesses to employ locals from the poor neighborhoods. Subsidize loans for those businesses for training classes for local employees.

Benefit for the family unit ... Can't do it. Single parents have been so championed there is no way we go back and champion "nuclear" families. I don't know how you walk back the last 40 years of saying single parents are just as good. But we definitely can get rid of the laws that incentivize single parent homes.

I disagree that the effort should only be for black people. I think that anything that singles out a race is negative. Focus on making the laws and the rules truly equal and focus on people who are suffering, you'll get a lot of black people that way.

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This is pretty good work on this post.


In summary....this is america.......guess what.......give an underprivileged area a huge reduction in crime so the law abiding people feel safe and don't get sucked into that same lifestyle and then give them access to their own jobs to make their own money..................BOOM......you got 'Merica happening :flag:

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Originally Posted by nastynice

I'd say the govt allowing slavery, and upholding that law, would be considered doing them wrong.

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Lol ya think?

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Originally Posted by Scoots

Maybe, but she also gives the GOP some easy levers to use against all Dems. We'll see.

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I mean most of the complaints seen seem to be made up/fake/people can't provide evidence/just difference of opinion it's just that people get worked up by media etc. and her being "radical left socialist" and so on not actually her being anything horrible. She makes some mistakes for sure, is raw, needs more knowledge/experience in areas and so on but it hasn't been the worst thing comparatively to others in government like people make her seem even if as you mention she gives some easy punches to throw type thing.

I don't agree with her approach on reparations as stated though either and get why some have an issue with it for sure.

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Originally Posted by flips333

Do you know what drugs are?

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I know there is a difference between something like heroin and something to sedate people.
not all drugs are the same.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

Her doing blackvoice was priceless.

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It’s almost comical how the promises of free stuffs drowns out the racism isn’t it?

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

So because we had the rule of law in this country and constitutional rights that everyone benefits from, (including black people) we need to collectively take responsibility for our past, that we didn't contribute to?

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Yup.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

And what would taking responsibility look like exactly?

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It can just be a state of mind.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

So my Aunt who was born and raised in the Philipines, and recently gained US citizenship is somehow responsible for the past failures of the US government.

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Yup.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I mean most of the complaints seen seem to be made up/fake/people can't provide evidence/just difference of opinion it's just that people get worked up by media etc. and her being "radical left socialist" and so on not actually her being anything horrible. She makes some mistakes for sure, is raw, needs more knowledge/experience in areas and so on but it hasn't been the worst thing comparatively to others in government like people make her seem even if as you mention she gives some easy punches to throw type thing.

I don't agree with her approach on reparations as stated though either and get why some have an issue with it for sure.

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Sure ... but that doesn't mean it's not an effective tactic the GOP can use against Democrats in general. I actually really like AOC as a person and most of what she says.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

Sure ... but that doesn't mean it's not an effective tactic the GOP can use against Democrats in general. I actually really like AOC as a person and most of what she says.

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I guess my point is I care way less about what reps/dems/media are saying than many others on here haha. I think a lot of that stuff is going to be aimed at the left either way look at what they did with Obama, being a dem is the real issue.

It's an effective tactic because of how tribal our society is etc. but that says more about society/those people than individuals they attack.