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1. That's not true. Dems have addressed immigration routinely for as long as you can remember. Just because they don't support building a pointless wall, doesn't mean they don't have immigration policy :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
2. That's one issue. Trump's all but staked his Presidency on immigration, but it's one issue. One issue that the right does have policy for, absolutely. ****** policy, but it is something!
That's great news…what's their plan???Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
Your ignorance is not my problem to solve. Go to google. I hear it can help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
A large part of Obama's 2008 platform was immigration reform, and in office he did a lot in regards to immigration. It's all right there. DACA was his baby, but he cracked down very hard on immigration himself, a fact well-documented by supporters of Trump in an effort to defend Trump's own policy. There is A LOT of policy there. Did it all work? Not perfectly.
A quick check on the 2020 front runners and Bernie, Pete, Joe, Beto, Elizabeth, etc...they all have immigration sections on their campaign pages. Many of them are on the record more completely.
Immigration is a complex issue. Just because you do not support a wall, separating children, ending asylum, establishing concentration camps, etc. doesn't mean you don't have solutions. The wall especially. A wasteful band-aid that does nothing to address the core issues that are causing the mass immigration we are seeing from Central America. Problems that are largely caused by woefully terrible US foreign policy decisions. A bipartisan failure. If we're interested in helping stabilize the region and help lift those countries up, then I'd agree: no one has any solutions to that. Especially not Trump.
Bolded…Just say you don't know what their plan is. It's OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam;32953240[B
"The Wall"
If Trump never mentioned the phrase "The Wall" as part of his campaign "The Wall" would have been built by now. As it now stands "The Wall" is forever linked to Trump and the dems will not give in on this as it will allow Trump to fulfill a campaign promise and they will not allow that to haopoen.
It has nothing to do with cost (drop in the bucket) or whether or not it will help to prevent illegals (it will). The dems just won't give in.
It's always about money and power.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
So you've diverted from the democrats not having a plan on immigration to complaining about the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
I haven't diverted from anything. Nice try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powders
What is the dems plan for immigration? If it includes "open borders" that's now really a plan.
Trump put out a sensible, logical plan past week. What did the dems come up with?
Like ManRam has said, all major democrats running for president have a plan. It's safe to assume none of them include open borders but that doesn't fit with your narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Can you give an example of any Democrat running for president who wants open borders?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
I seem to be hearing it all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powders
Gillibrand was very clear about it.
And…
Can you give an example of any Democrat's immigration policy????
You hear it from Donald Trump. You should use a better sourceQuote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
lol
No. I clearly heard it on the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powders
Well if was Fox News (GASP!!!). They probably hiured a Gillibrand lookalike to make a phony statement.
And………Can you give an example of any Democrat's immigration policy????
So you can or cannot give examples of prominent democrats running for president saying they want open borders?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
https://berniesanders.com/issues/immigration-reform/
There is this…Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powders
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...grants-1332891
No incarceration, no detaining…sounds like open borders to me.