I am for dismantling some of those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
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I am for dismantling some of those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
Again, as I have said in earlier posts, the word “some” is problematic because therein lies the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Which ones and why?
No. Hence the term “almost” anything. Obviously the Govt needs to have a safety net in place for some people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
And refer to my referee analogy. The Govts role is to protect it’s citizens.
By safety net do you mean hand outs?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
I already dismissed your referee analogy because it does not work effectively. We are arguing about setting the rules, which we already established is not the role of the referee but is the role of the government (which, by your own admission “needs to have a safety net in place for some people.”)Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
“Some”? Who? Who decides who?
And again, “almost” anything is useless. Who decides what is worthy and what isn’t?
The answers to these question are the real pillars of our debate.
That is typically what is meant by them. Social Security and Medicare are two of the most popular programs in the history of our government so they tend to be exempt from the rhetoric when people bash socialism, handouts, etc. though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
It's why I laugh and laugh and laugh some more when I saw these signs protesting Obamacare...
https://i1.wp.com/www.zebrafactcheck...y-Medicare.png
Except there are plenty of services that are best run by the government because a capitalist profit run business model does not work well for the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Examples of this are fire services, police, military, public utilities where a monopoly is necessary for efficiency purposes, etc. Its quite clear healthcare is another one of those industries where a profit model does not generate the best marginal utility for the public. It takes one look at how our healthcare stacks up against other countries/systems to see that is the overwhelming case.
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Social Security and Medicare because I want to replace them with UBI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
NASA because it's not needed apparently.
CDC because I'm okay with the government regulating and organizing research.
Military because it's the prime purpose of the government, but I'd like it to be much smaller.
I don't know what you plan for UBI... but with private health care system UBI wont work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
It will with the capitalist health care for all I suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
Which post? I'm pretty sure there is not a capitalistic system that will make someone who's got serious issues able to be treated on 1000 a month. But I would love to be convinced otherwise/.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Sure. I don’t think referring to them as handouts is necessary but welfare has a place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
I’m not sure you can “dismiss” my opinion in terms of an analogy as to how we should view the role of the government. Again, in my analogy, a “referee” would be an extension of the league, who sets the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
Safety net for elderly, poor, disabled, etc.
I’d prefer the government decide as least as possible. For the reasons you stated.
I agree utilities and services you mentioned should be run be the Govt but I imagine, they’d be more efficient when run by the private sector.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
The problem with Govt run healthcare is that in this country, Medicare/Medicaid/VA are all horrible. We have examples of it vs private insurance and it’s not been effective.
Its place holding down and controlling the under class?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
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