Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by Bramaca

No, I don’t believe in trickle down economics. It’s been attempted on many occasions and time after time is shown to not work or be effective. The rich people do sit on their money and put it away in tax havens with basically nothing trickling down. It’s a joke that anyone buys into this because it’s just a money grab by the wealthy that creates an even larger gap between them and the poor. How much of those tax savings did you trickle down to your employees in the form of raises?

https://psmag.com/economics/trickle-...-indeed-a-joke

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/04/warr...economics.html

Personally wish Buffett was the billionaire who became president.

Do you really believe that gearing the country towards more environmentally sustainable policies would bring it to a standstill? I don’t, I think it’s the biggest potential for future jobs and technology there is. But standing still, resisting change, living in the past instead of pushing forward and being a leader and innovator is what will keep the west on top. The excuse that others aren’t doing it so why should we bother is a really poor one imo

I may not know another collapse like that will happen but if history tells us anything there is a really, really good chance financial institutions will drive us towards one and the deregulation will help them get there . Getting rid of some weak banks isn’t worth the cost of the 08’ collapse.

Healthcare costs basically are double of other developed nations and aren’t that great. You can blame Obama if you want but that problem has been around since long before him.

I’m ok with how he is handling China and to a lesser degree NK.

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No one "sits on money." I showed the Uncle Scrooge Money Bin example earlier (somewhere). That doesn't really exist and I showed it for emphasis (failed).

Simple example…Whatever bank you bank at (Little Main Street Savings and Loan or a massive national bank): If they had to pay off every dollar on deposit, they couldn't. The money isn't really there. It's moving.

Horrible economy…business fail and you may have to drive 1o miles for a Slurpee.
Good economy…money trickled down and there is a convenience store on the corner for your Slurpee and ten employees. You don't see the trickle but it is there.

There is no advantage to "sitting on money." If a billionaire plops huge amounts of money into a bank account, fund, investment plan, off shore haven etc…wherever he "plops" it, invests it. It's not sitting in a room. Money moves. It's as simple as that. You may not see the trickle down effect but it happens.

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I am more for a green, lean economy than you think. I am for realistic policies. Gas driven engines are not going away soon. They are cheap to run ad efficient. People have to live. Can we improve? Sure, I'm all for it. We recycle as best we can. I try not to waste anything. I'm all for electric cars and mass transit. But people have to live and gas driven cars are part of life.

RE: Paris Green accords…I'm all for it just as soon as everyone does their fair share. Trump got us out of that because we would pay a ton while others would not. The US is not a big polluter. We're one of the cleanest industrialized nation on the planet. If climate change is coming (and it is) we're not the main cause. Look elsewhere…to China, India, Russia, Brazil. No matter what we do will not offset the effect these countries, and others like them, do not do.We'll be spending billions for nothing. That is Trump's point. He is not a polluter for the sake of profit. (He has the same views with NATO.)

Try looking at this stuff in simpler terms…suppose your block needed a major cleanup for whatever reason. Each house on the block is assessed a cost based on that home's family income. You OK with that? Now suppose 5-6 families didn't kick in at all? You OK with that? This is Trump's point. And he's right.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

No one "sits on money." I showed the Uncle Scrooge Money Bin example earlier (somewhere). That doesn't really exist and I showed it for emphasis (failed).

Simple example…Whatever bank you bank at (Little Main Street Savings and Loan or a massive national bank): If they had to pay off every dollar on deposit, they couldn't. The money isn't really there. It's moving.

Horrible economy…business fail and you may have to drive 1o miles for a Slurpee.
Good economy…money trickled down and there is a convenience store on the corner for your Slurpee and ten employees. You don't see the trickle but it is there.

There is no advantage to "sitting on money." If a billionaire plops huge amounts of money into a bank account, fund, investment plan, off shore haven etc…wherever he "plops" it, invests it. It's not sitting in a room. Money moves. It's as simple as that. You may not see the trickle down effect but it happens.

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I am more for a green, lean economy than you think. I am for realistic policies. Gas driven engines are not going away soon. They are cheap to run ad efficient. People have to live. Can we improve? Sure, I'm all for it. We recycle as best we can. I try not to waste anything. I'm all for electric cars and mass transit. But people have to live and gas driven cars are part of life.

RE: Paris Green accords…I'm all for it just as soon as everyone does their fair share. Trump got us out of that because we would pay a ton while others would not. The US is not a big polluter. We're one of the cleanest industrialized nation on the planet. If climate change is coming (and it is) we're not the main cause. Look elsewhere…to China, India, Russia, Brazil. No matter what we do will not offset the effect these countries, and others like them, do not do.We'll be spending billions for nothing. That is Trump's point. He is not a polluter for the sake of profit. (He has the same views with NATO.)

Try looking at this stuff in simpler terms…suppose your block needed a major cleanup for whatever reason. Each house on the block is assessed a cost based on that home's family income. You OK with that? Now suppose 5-6 families didn't kick in at all? You OK with that? This is Trump's point. And he's right.

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You don’t need to give me the poor examples of how trickle down economics works. I know how it works and the arguments for it. Also know it’s been shown that the effects are not a positive for pretty much anyone outside of the richest people. It’s a cash grab and trickle down economics is the piss poor excuse for it.

The US is the second largest polluter in the world and one of the highest per capital in the world. It was also the number one polluter for decades so the idea that the US is one of the cleanest countries and not a big polluter is 100% false.

Anyhow we’re way off topic here but if you want to talk more about these subjects there are multiple environmental threads to discuss in which don’t seem to get much attention in here

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Originally Posted by Bramaca

You don’t need to give me the poor examples of how trickle down economics works. I know how it works and the arguments for it. Also know it’s been shown that the effects are not a positive for pretty much anyone outside of the richest people. It’s a cash grab and trickle down economics is the piss poor excuse for it.

The US is the second largest polluter in the world and one of the highest per capital in the world. It was also the number one polluter for decades so the idea that the US is one of the cleanest countries and not a big polluter is 100% false.

Anyhow we’re way off topic here but if you want to talk more about these subjects there are multiple environmental threads to discuss in which don’t seem to get much attention in here

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Not only is the concept of trickle down economics complete bull **** as far as helping lower classes, but it completely shifts the money makers of local economics to outsiders. This weakens local economies.

This is why I do not consider America a democracy. None of our communities control their own local economics, if you do not have economic freedom then political freedom is nothing more than lip service.

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Originally Posted by Bramaca

You don’t need to give me the poor examples of how trickle down economics works. I know how it works and the arguments for it. Also know it’s been shown that the effects are not a positive for pretty much anyone outside of the richest people. It’s a cash grab and trickle down economics is the piss poor excuse for it.

The US is the second largest polluter in the world and one of the highest per capital in the world. It was also the number one polluter for decades so the idea that the US is one of the cleanest countries and not a big polluter is 100% false.

Anyhow we’re way off topic here but if you want to talk more about these subjects there are multiple environmental threads to discuss in which don’t seem to get much attention in here

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This country if far cleaner than it was when I was younger…by a huge amount. Everywhere you turn and effort is being made to be clean, to conserve and to recycle. Pretty much every large company has a focus on green and being antipollutant. Do we create a lot of trash and emissions…sure. Only because we have a lot. However the amount of pollutants we generate in relation to the amount of energy and items that we consume is far smaller than other nations.

Who are you comparing us to…Norway, Sweden? Switzerland. There's nobody there and they have no position on the world stage,

People have to live. They have a need to have a life. I'd say this country is pretty reasonable. I wish others of similar size or with large populations would do the same.

Largest countries by population…

China, India, USA, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangldesh, Russia, Mexico, Japan, Ethiopia, Phillipines, Egypt, Viet Nam, Congo, Turkey, Iran, Germany, Thailand

Who is cleaner than us? Maybe Germany, Thailand. Most are a joke.
Any combined a clean ecology with a high standard of living and world prominence? Just one.
Any you would care to live in instead of here? Clue us in on that one.

I really wish some of you people would stop running the country down. Ecologically speaking there are plenty of problems out there. We're not one of them.

We can agree to disagree.

What do you mean by clean? Do we produce more carbon emissions than all of those countries other than China? Yes.

Or cleaner like when you close your eyes you picture their people with dirt on their faces?

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Originally Posted by Ezekial

What do you mean by clean? Do we produce more carbon emissions than all of those countries other than China? Yes.

Or cleaner like when you close your eyes you picture their people with dirt on their faces?

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It's sluggo.

He means clean like you dont have to bleach your skin to make it white...

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That's why he said Germany cleaner than us

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Originally Posted by Ezekial

What do you mean by clean? Do we produce more carbon emissions than all of those countries other than China? Yes.

Or cleaner like when you close your eyes you picture their people with dirt on their faces?

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Well he’s arguing population size rather than density. It’s his standard uniformed argument based on the bizarre stereotypes he deals in.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

I'm waiting valade16.

you're doing exactly what I have expected, no interest on commenting on these things that show how stupid she is.

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Why would I comment on her stupidity? You do that plenty enough for everybody.

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Originally Posted by benny01

Well he’s arguing population size rather than density. It’s his standard uniformed argument based on the bizarre stereotypes he deals in.

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Some of you people are hilarious.

"It’s his standard uniformed argument based on the bizarre stereotypes he deals in."

What's the next line "Live from New York it's Saturday Night!"?

How did you do in that drama class?

Here's the point…

The US is a huge country with a large population. It is also the world's biggest (for now) economy. It is, I believe, the world's largest GNP. It is also a leading country politically and militarily on the world's stage. We have the highest standard of living on the planet given our size.

Simply stated…things actually happen here. Things get done, things get produced.

Given all of that…this place is pretty clean. It is conscious of our affect on the environment and has taken great step to protect the environment…more so than any country our size.

Yes, we have a lot of cars. Yes, our homes are fairly large. Want to know why…because we can. Any other populace that could afford a car and large homes would buy them.

People have to live…people will live to the best of their means. We do that here and are more than reasonable about our environmental income.

There are plenty of ecological problems out there…go preach to them.

I see(New York Post front page Headline)she got out her gas guzzling SUV for just a quick drive instead of using the subway.

Practice what you preach!

The same was said about Al Gore and his incredible electric bill 15 years ago....a bunch of hypocrites then and the same Now!

Save it!

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

I see(New York Post front page Headline)she got out her gas guzzling SUV for just a quick drive instead of using the subway.

Practice what you preach!

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OMG! Really? Holy Jesus, Mary, and Joseph....

https://www.theguardian.com/sustaina...climate-change

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Just 100 companies have been the source of more than 70% of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions since 1988

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Large font for the geriatric conservatives on this forum

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

I see(New York Post front page Headline)she got out her gas guzzling SUV for just a quick drive instead of using the subway.

Practice what you preach!

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Yeah I saw that and thought: "Man, this chick has driven the GOP completely insane."

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

No one "sits on money." I showed the Uncle Scrooge Money Bin example earlier (somewhere). That doesn't really exist and I showed it for emphasis (failed).

Simple example…Whatever bank you bank at (Little Main Street Savings and Loan or a massive national bank): If they had to pay off every dollar on deposit, they couldn't. The money isn't really there. It's moving.

Horrible economy…business fail and you may have to drive 1o miles for a Slurpee.
Good economy…money trickled down and there is a convenience store on the corner for your Slurpee and ten employees. You don't see the trickle but it is there.

There is no advantage to "sitting on money." If a billionaire plops huge amounts of money into a bank account, fund, investment plan, off shore haven etc…wherever he "plops" it, invests it. It's not sitting in a room. Money moves. It's as simple as that. You may not see the trickle down effect but it happens.

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I am more for a green, lean economy than you think. I am for realistic policies. Gas driven engines are not going away soon. They are cheap to run ad efficient. People have to live. Can we improve? Sure, I'm all for it. We recycle as best we can. I try not to waste anything. I'm all for electric cars and mass transit. But people have to live and gas driven cars are part of life.

RE: Paris Green accords…I'm all for it just as soon as everyone does their fair share. Trump got us out of that because we would pay a ton while others would not. The US is not a big polluter. We're one of the cleanest industrialized nation on the planet. If climate change is coming (and it is) we're not the main cause. Look elsewhere…to China, India, Russia, Brazil. No matter what we do will not offset the effect these countries, and others like them, do not do.We'll be spending billions for nothing. That is Trump's point. He is not a polluter for the sake of profit. (He has the same views with NATO.)

Try looking at this stuff in simpler terms…suppose your block needed a major cleanup for whatever reason. Each house on the block is assessed a cost based on that home's family income. You OK with that? Now suppose 5-6 families didn't kick in at all? You OK with that? This is Trump's point. And he's right.

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nope, they re-invest quickly in tax friendly investment accounts to dodge taxes, or park it elsewhere in a spot the US Tax system can't get to it. Neither of which help anyone but themselves.