wtf? When did I call her Stalin? Okay, this is just dumb. You have NO IDEA who you're even talking to because you're so confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
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wtf? When did I call her Stalin? Okay, this is just dumb. You have NO IDEA who you're even talking to because you're so confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
I don't disagree one bit, actually (not sure if you were expecting disagreement or not tbh).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
I remember saying time and time again early in the primaries that I think the political outsiders are good. I thought if there was one thing Trump could do that would be undeniably good it would be shaking up the system. Being a necessary and destructive force hurled at our ineffective and massively corrupt establishment. Now, Trump didn't quit deliver for a variety of reasons -- mostly because the entire Republican party fell in line with him because he really isn't any different policy-wise. And you know, the unprecedented amount of corruption.
But as a progressive I still think that sort of shake up is needed. I still want outsiders...or at least politicians with outsider beliefs. Bernie did a great job in his run, and the new wave of progressives after him are carrying torch. What comes from it? I don't know. But I'll proudly support people who acknowledge these massive problems they acknowledge and seek to, in truly good faith, fix them. They're shooting for the sun moon and stars, but that's great. Why half *** something that shouldn't be half-assed? You get to the end goal a lot quicker by being bold and getting the full message out there a lot quicker than waiting until it's politically advantageous (the Democrats MO).
I think people compare her to Trump in the wrong ways due to the wrong reasons. But her ability to get a populist message out there is truly unassailable, and it perhaps is Trumpian. In her short time she has been as effective as one could ever expect her to be.
Yeah, you work hard now and enjoy life later. Life isn't fair and wasn't designed to be. Sorry but that's the truth. If people truly wanted to live the way you did, they should take their money and MOVE to Vietnam. Trust me, you can live like a king and enjoy life there better than in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
I apologize deeply. I mixed you up with MidwestJimmy.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
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Originally Posted by MidwestJimmy
b.s. Life is about balance. Nobody should be working 50-60 hours a week just to make ends meet. My Mom died at 65, and one of the last things she said to me was to live today, because nobody is promised tomorrow. She is 100000% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
Dude, if you don't understand that our fathers and mothers were able to raise a family on a mechanics income and send them to college, have a retirement fund, and pay off their mortgage, you aren't following what is happening. We CAN'T strap our youth with debt up to their eyeballs. We CAN'T continue to have Americans living paycheck to paycheck. Something has to give. And it isn't the people need to work harder and worry about enjoying life when their body doesn't work right anymore..
right man, that is exactly what I am getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
I love how "college is a choice" nowadays, but back 30 years ago, you were lazy if you didn't go, because it was so affordable.
okay, so live today.. you don't need to stay in America. Go move to a CHEAPER country and enjoy life. Nobody should be working 50-60 hours to make ends meet? Uhm, that is not true. If you are working 50-60 hours and can't make ends meet, it is because your life situations outside of your job such as the amount of children you have, unnecessary expenses, expensive city, etc., These are all personal choices. No one is forcing anyone to work 50-60 hours. I don't understand? I perfectly understand. I am paying off $75k in student loans and purchased a co-op in NY for nearly $460,000. I work part-time using my education and figured a way to work on my own time as well with my own self-employed online business. I perfectly understand. And if you think the most successful people don't work 50-60 hours, you're wrong. They work MUCH MORE than that. Again, if you are working 50-60 hours and can't make ends meet in America, YOU are making the WRONG decisions in your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
You don't need to go to college to succeed. You don't even need a high school diploma. There are classes for computer programming and some are free if you are willing to just use YouTube, etc., You can create anything these days and most don't require a college degree. These are decisions one has to make before enrolling in college. No one forces anyone to do anything. Students AGREE to the debt and then find out they shouldn't. Whose fault is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
There is a difference……Trump is a successful business man who has accomplished numerous things. Employed people, created wealth, has experience in high places, is well connected etc.
The Ocasio kid was a bartender a year and a half ago. Bit of a difference.
But I get it…you don't like Trump.
The only thing similar is both lie, make absurd statements, and have a niche group that find them exciting. But there is no similarity anywhere else. AOC has been in the political spotlight for less than a year on a national scale. Yet, the amount of nonsense she has spewed is ridiculous. She's a freshman relative to her colleagues so she should understand how the process works before she tries to push radical agendas that would damage her party. And yes, it does damage her party.. it is why Mitch is trying to force the vote on the Green new Deal so that he can create dysfunction within the Democratic party on a national level. You can hate the party all you want but they are a complete necessity to win presidency. As damaging as Trump was in his campaign, he beat Hillary because the Democrats were sabotaging themselves. AOC was a bartender just two years ago. Now she's a congresswoman who has the ability to impact millions of lives. She's a product of America's beautiful system. Let's not forget that.
1). No you are wrong. College does on a macro level make you more educated. It also makes you more successful and productive. It may not make you more intelligent, but there is even evidence out there that education builds intelligence by stimulating your brain at a time when you are still growing and expanding your potential brain capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
So just because you can be someone who didn’t go to college and be more educated on a micro level does not equate to the facts on a macro level. And of course there are different ways to educate yourself. That’s not new news.
2). It should never be a case of ‘if you can afford it’. That limits the growth and potential of our economy by unnecessarily stagnating growth by a factor of which has no intrinsic bearing on success.
And if that’s my opinion about debt not being crippling then I’d like to know how it’s wrong? Just go ahead and look at the student debt situation and how it affects our economy. The macro level affect on people is real.
3).How would making college more affordable penalize those who work 2-3 jobs on the side? They would benefit from that as well because then that income can be put to better use. And conflating not working 2-3 jobs while attending college as laziness is a lazy argument. Are we a lazy society now that we have protections against child labor? And again, people on a macro level can’t all work 2-3 jobs. That just doesn’t work. The jobs don’t just appear out of nowhere.
I agree that college and higher education should be for those who can benefit from it. That’s why there is testing for it. And I bet if there was large government subsidies there’d be controls to the price structure. The problem is that even the people who do benefit from college aren’t seeing enough of a benefit because of the sheer amount of debt. And if people bail on college those jobs go to outsiders and foreign countries to fill the needs. That’s not good for the economy at all.
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College does not make you more educated, buddy. It's a means to become certified. The only way someone can be more educated is if they take steps to be. You can be more educated and knowledgeable without college by doing your own research, studies, speaking with professionals, etc., All college does is provide you a criteria of what you need to do to be certified. It's a common thing in the NBA forums. Some assume someone who is in the NBA is more knowledgeable about basketball than people on PSD and that's also incorrect. Being in the NBA doesn't mean you know more about basketball. Similarly here, learning how to think, process information, and expand on what you know makes you more educated than any textbook colleges tell you to buy. I'm not wrong here - you are. College is becoming more outdated as time goes by because the content it used to provide you wasn't available online. Nowadays, everything you learn in college can be found online. In fact, many YouTube videos or classes (yes, there are free recorded classes online from some of the best colleges out there) are more informative than college professors are. What colleges does is provide a foundation but if you yourself aren't willing to learn, there is nothing anyone can do to make you more educated. It seems you're a victim of the college system. Going to college thinking it makes you more educated at the expense of increasing your debt is the #1 mistake students make.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
So the American way of life that worked for generations before us becomes totally unaffordable and the answer is "just leave the country". Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
No. There are living standards in every country that are different. If you want to truly live life, work in America and then retire some place that your purchasing power is higher. You could easily retire with $150,000 by moving to Vietnam, India, etc., If you live in America, you're already doing better financially than most of the world. Fundamentally, I just think you're wrong. No one needs to work 50-60 to make ends meet unless external issues exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15