Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by ManRam

It's infinitely worse to outright deny climate change than to believe in the worst predictions.

Not even comparable. One side is completely denying a bevy of evidence, and frankly common sense. The other is not.

Screw off.

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They don’t ignore the evidence, they choose to use the issue to show support for their team. If they ignored the evidence, you would see them chanting spells to start their cars or tethering themselves to the earth in an effort to not be thrown into space.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I just shared 3 different studies disputing you lol. Your opinion on 10 apparently matters more than everything else provided.

You don't source anything to show the context about what she is saying and then go only off opinion when complaining about it nothing to source and show how she was wrong. When questioned you just attack instead of answer what I asked then pretended you made a point and I don't understand despite already saying that simply isn't what I was asking about. You even admitted you are just angry about her haha. It is very clear you didn't have to tell us and it shows in how illogical you have been.

11) When asked how she will pay for these policies, she said, "No one asks how we will pay for the space force." Studies show that the space force that Trump planned to fund would only cost $3 billion in a five year span. She's comparing $3 trillion to $600 million. Totally appropriate.

Like this is the one right after and you are actually doing exactly that. Complaining about the cost of something that the analysis given says would save money while all for adding 600 million without giving any reasoning. It just makes your whole post look silly when nothing is sourced, some can be shown wrong with real evidence, then the next point laughably is her calling out people with your exact rhetoric (because it looks dumb when people argue about the cost of something without having any idea or doing no research). That goes for you just as much as it does her.

I already said I bet a lot of the criticism is legitimate it is just tough to tell because of how lacking that initial post was and how you can't even answer questions on it.

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It seems you're trying very hard to convince yourself that they are my opinions. You've gone off the rails here. When a budget is proposed, there has to be a way to pay for it. $600 million could be moved or added more easily because it's not a huge sum when you consider the overall budget. Medicare for ALL isn't. You're going to need to explain how exactly it will be funded, if it can be funded, the potential costs and industries it can affect, etc., I never said I was angry about AOC. Again, you're so invested in making me the bad person here when it's mostly you making inaccurate and faulty statements claiming it is my opinion when it's word-for-word statements by AOC. I'm curious as to where I said I was angry about AOC. I said I dislike AOC because I am from the district she won in and it's appalling that someone who spews that much nonsense is representing my district. That doesn't spell angry. That spells dislike. I can dislike someone without being angry about them. I believe she has good intentions but is going about it in the wrong way because she is ignorant. What's very clear is your attempt to defend her while also trying to agree with me shows you are just here to type words with no meaning.

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Originally Posted by FlashBolt

It seems you're trying very hard to convince yourself that they are my opinions. You've gone off the rails here. When a budget is proposed, there has to be a way to pay for it. $600 million could be moved or added more easily because it's not a huge sum when you consider the overall budget. Medicare for ALL isn't. You're going to need to explain how exactly it will be funded, if it can be funded, the potential costs and industries it can affect, etc., I never said I was angry about AOC. Again, you're so invested in making me the bad person here when it's mostly you making inaccurate and faulty statements claiming it is my opinion when it's word-for-word statements by AOC. I'm curious as to where I said I was angry about AOC. I said I dislike AOC because I am from the district she won in and it's appalling that someone who spews that much nonsense is representing my district. That doesn't spell angry. That spells dislike. I can dislike someone without being angry about them. I believe she has good intentions but is going about it in the wrong way because she is ignorant. What's very clear is your attempt to defend her while also trying to agree with me shows you are just here to type words with no meaning.

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You need to have that information no matter what the program though, we shouldn't just push through 600 million on any BS because it costs less than a healthcare for all plan. The issue is that you only seem to care about the impact and cost of one of these things, the one studies show will actually save money and cover millions more with health insurance. Compared to that amazing project that is costing more money and doesn't have those same benefits as far as I am aware.

My statements have been backed up with data/analysis and facts while yours are never backed up in any way outside of simple opinion, often times not even making much sense. I mean maybe you just irrationally rant at people all the time, I dunno but that is where it looks more angry. You definitely dislike her, it seems to me this also makes you angry when discussing her.

My words are here to show how off base you have been and that seems on point considering when I actually point to specific issues or ask questions about these issues you can't back anything up, go off on tangents attacking things I don't say (strawman), never actually dispute the data I am showing, and still keep going in these weird circles of trying to go at me instead of focusing on the 3 studies I sent, two articles covering them, the points I made about 11, answering the other questions I had and so on.

As I said from the start if you were making rational points about things wrong with her it wouldn't be an issue, when you call out normal ideas as crazy then foolishly ignore all the data I will call it out though. You clearly have a bias against her so anything not negative must mean I like her. Guess what I think she can be ignorant as well but her supporting left leaning policy that many want and actually would save money according to real analysis is more an example of how flawed that post was than anything with her.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

I appreciate your efforts to counter the litany of Ocasio-Cortez’s apparent horrors.

I just do not have the energy.

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I mean I won't counter actual issues that are laid out with reasoning, I have issues with her myself. The problem is like you say this seems like the illogical/emotional type posting taking over (assuming that's sarcasm like it appears). The horror of medicare for all oh how dare we try and make improvements to peoples well being when it actually appears it could save money too.

If you are gonna play the fox news/trump game and ignore reality/stats/data/science then I will call it out.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

I appreciate your efforts to counter the litany of Ocasio-Cortez’s apparent horrors.

I just do not have the energy.

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This. You’re a hero mn. He just laid out too much bs to even bother dealing with.

And yes AOC is factually quite wrong on way more things than I’d like. But her overall message rings true more often than not either way.


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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thinks the world will end in 12 years. :shrug:

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...e-dont-address




also relevant, this from 1989..

https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

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The longer we go without addressing the issue, the less and less hospitable for human life the planet will be. We are taking actions that have an impact on a global scale. And you can bring out all this "the planet goes through cycles stuff" (and not be wrong). But if you don't believe that we have an outsized impact on the planet, please look at it from space and you will see how we have an impact.

If anyone really doesn't believe that greenhouse gases are a problem, please take a long and deep breath directly from your car's exhaust.

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Originally Posted by DeW-Star

This. You’re a hero mn. He just laid out too much bs to even bother dealing with.

And yes AOC is factually quite wrong on way more things than I’d like. But her overall message rings true more often than not either way.


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That’s how you do the gallop.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I have issues with her myself.

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Agreed, but see bolded below.

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Originally Posted by DeW-Star

And yes AOC is factually quite wrong on way more things than I’d like. But her overall message rings true more often than not either way.

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Ditto.

Can't imagine many people can listen to her for a few seconds let alone 5 minutes, but this was wonderful. And if you don't agree in regards to this I'm not sure what you're doing.

Keeping it simple and engaging.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Lol at the new green deal. What a group of idiots.

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Good point. I now oppose the New Green Deal.

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Originally Posted by ManRam

Good point. I now oppose the New Green Deal.

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The plan in itself makes my point.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

The plan in itself makes my point.

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What would you say is the worst part of the deal?

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

What would you say is the worst part of the deal?

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Oh Lord. I think the easier question to answer is 'what would you say is the best part of the deal'. Which I would answer it protects the environment.

However, I can't put a list together on the worst parts because the entire ****ing thing is a mess. I suppose we can start with 'economic security for those UNWILLING to work.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Oh Lord. I think the easier question to answer is 'what would you say is the best part of the deal'. Which I would answer it protects the environment.

However, I can't put a list together on the worst parts because the entire ****ing thing is a mess. I suppose we can start with 'economic security for those UNWILLING to work.

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Would you do me a favor and pick the worst one? I'd be grateful.