Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

I don't know about Pro-White Nationalist, what policies have they pushed that are pro-white nationalist? I mean they've been pretty non-interventionist, which I know a lot of White-Nationalists like, but so do a lot of progressives. They've been VERY pro-Israel, though that's not something White Nationalists care about. In fact, I can't remember a MORE pro-Israel administration. If you look at the actual policies they've put forth the things they've done:
Constantly blocking the (corrupt) UN from sanctioning Israel, selling weapons to Israel, recognizing Jerusalem as the Capital instead of Telaviv. I don't see how a admin can be so consistently pro Israel and simultaneously antisemitic and hating the jews.

I don't believe the MOVEMENT is antisemitic, but the leadership seems to be very antisemitic and they seem to deal in conspiracy theories about Jews, namely that they control all the wealth, and that they were key participants in the slave trade.

It's hard to reconcile the purported positive goals of the march with the hateful beliefs of the leadership.

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More or less hard to reconcile than an administration with Bannon, Sessions, and Miller not being pro-white nationalism.

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Originally Posted by benny01

More or less hard to reconcile than an administration with Bannon, Sessions, and Miller not being pro-white nationalism.

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An admin full of white supremscists and he’s wondering why people associate racism with it lol

Then again he tried to promote a doctored fake news young Turks article as the new red scare so it’s not like he’s asking in good faith

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Originally Posted by valade16

The explanation regarding the circumstances of his running and winning the Presidency still doesn't excuse his terribleness as a leader.

I don't know that he understand American culture better than Obama, he may, though he seems to only be understanding and catering to an extreme base while the rest of the country looks on at what a terrible leader he is.

The problem with the idea that Trump could unite us is the opinions he has that differ from extreme conservatism are the issues he cares least about. His Presidency has been the most conservative one we've seen since Reagan, possibly more so. Because while he may have said one time he thought highest margin tax rates should be 44% he cared so little he caved at the first argument against it, contrast this to his determination on the wall.

Trump understands how to manipulate the media and people. He has used this to great effect. But he is a terrible leader, and that is evidence by how many people say so and by how many self created blunders he stumbles through.

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Proclaiming he's doing a terrible job because a lot of people say so isn't exactly "evidence". It can't be dismissed that half the country voted for him so just because there isn't throngs of Pro Trumpers marching in the street or flooding social media or even prevalent as having platforms on mainstream media decrying every event that happens doesn't prove anything. There's really no denying that half the country supported his agenda simply because they believed there was a better way to run things. Of course that's subjective on what "better way" is......but no different in the way this same half of the country believed every decision and path Obama took was the worst ever just as the half that didn't support Trump feels now. I realize it makes the left feel better to paint people who support Trump's decision as blind fools that are being tricked by some Traveling Carnival Huckster................but maybe it's a group of people with different life experiences that believe there was a different way to do things and different ideas that would be better than previous administrations. Just because Joy Behar, Jim Acosta and AOC are flooding the tv with how bad things are doesn't make it so.........any more than you believe the same about Sean Hannity. 2020 will be interesting for sure.

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Originally Posted by valade16

I keep hearing this, but what has Trump actually done to give any indication he's on the same side as Sanders when it comes to fighting corporate annexation of American Democracy?

He passed a giant tax break for the wealthy and corporations, he has appointed a litany of corporate CEOs into his cabinet, he is currently not paying 800,000 US workers. He has instituted so many tariffs that have hurt American workers that he had to pass aid packages to keep Farmers from revolting against him (though I understand the pay now benefit later argument for his tariffs).

When it comes to what he's actually done to make anyone think he's for the little guy economically, it's almost zilch. I agree, he talks a big game, but he has done almost nothing to back it up.

Though it's partially our own fault for thinking a Billionaire who inherited his wealth would somehow be the savior of the middle class.

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You missed my point. I did not say Trump was on the same side as Sanders. Far from it. Simply stated, Trump is a charlatan. Sanders, most decidedly, is not.

What I said — and what I mean — is that Trump’s followers (or many of them, at least), having been deceived by him, should see themselves much more in line with Sanders’ followers. Their economic interests are similar, even if their cultural differences are perhaps numerous.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Powders

It's funny how when Trump tweets something absurd your excuse is to not pay attention to the tweets. What's the difference with Cortez? Do you have AOCDS?

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what are you talking about. I've called out multiple different Trump tweets. I even agreed with you Kenny Powders on something that you said.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Powders

Getting out of Syria is the right thing to do. Doing it without any consultation and on Twitter wasn't.

Tben again no one knows more about Syria then Trump

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I quoted your post and said this..

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

everyone should be able to agree that Trump using twitter to make this announcement without notifying peple before is not the way that this should have happened.

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there have been many things I have posted in the "WTF Did Donald Say Now?" thread calling out stupid tweets.

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye15

one is a 27 year old woman who grew up in the age of social media. The other is a 72 year old man who looks like he is taking a crap anytime he is listening to someone who disagrees with him, and can't help himself at 3am when he posts some outlandish, exclamation point laden twitter post.

I mean, annoying is annoying I suppose, but the President of the United States should be above it all, and be able to take criticism and let it roll off of his back, just like every president we have ever had.

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people should be able to call out Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' stupidity without deflecting to butwhatabout Trump.

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nobody wants to talk about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez not understand how quoting works. she's stupid.

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does Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez get criticized for this?

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Ocasio-Cortez votes against bill to reopen government over ICE funding

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) was the lone Democrat to vote against a short-term bill to reopen the federal government on Wednesday because of concerns over the bill's funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...er-ice-funding

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Originally Posted by Hatch

Proclaiming he's doing a terrible job because a lot of people say so isn't exactly "evidence". It can't be dismissed that half the country voted for him so just because there isn't throngs of Pro Trumpers marching in the street or flooding social media or even prevalent as having platforms on mainstream media decrying every event that happens doesn't prove anything. There's really no denying that half the country supported his agenda simply because they believed there was a better way to run things. Of course that's subjective on what "better way" is......but no different in the way this same half of the country believed every decision and path Obama took was the worst ever just as the half that didn't support Trump feels now. I realize it makes the left feel better to paint people who support Trump's decision as blind fools that are being tricked by some Traveling Carnival Huckster................but maybe it's a group of people with different life experiences that believe there was a different way to do things and different ideas that would be better than previous administrations. Just because Joy Behar, Jim Acosta and AOC are flooding the tv with how bad things are doesn't make it so.........any more than you believe the same about Sean Hannity. 2020 will be interesting for sure.

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First, when you say half the country, you mean less than half and even less than half of voters, so the idea that he was some populist pick is erroneous. He was not the most popular choice for President, he won because of the way the system is setup. And he consistently gets among the lowest approval ratings of any President in modern history. Simply put, he is not a well liked President.

But beyond that, I wasn't saying that what he's done is terrible, that is subjective based on your beliefs, if you're a conservative, you probably think everything he's done is awesome. I'm talking about his leadership qualities. Simply put: he is a lousy leader.

He demonstrates every characteristic of a bad leader while demonstrating none of a good one. Indicators of good leadership are smooth operations, less employee turnover, and plans initiated without major problems. Contrast that to his White House, the operation does not run smoothly, various departments don't know what others are doing, there is consistent confusion. There is the most turnover of any modern President, and most that leave the White House detail how bad it is. All of his plans are not well thought out and full of logistical problems.

Separate the conservative stuff he's done and just view him as a leader. He sucks.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

You missed my point. I did not say Trump was on the same side as Sanders. Far from it. Simply stated, Trump is a charlatan. Sanders, most decidedly, is not.

What I said — and what I mean — is that Trump’s followers (or many of them, at least), having been deceived by him, should see themselves much more in line with Sanders’ followers. Their economic interests are similar, even if their cultural differences are perhaps numerous.

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Ah, I see your point. I think the main reason is because while both sides believe the same problem exists, their solutions are completely opposite.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Ah, I see your point. I think the main reason is because while both sides believe the same problem exists, their solutions are completely opposite.

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What saddens me (seriously) is that Trump and his cronies in big business and the Republican party have preyed on the legitimate anxieties of a whole group of Americans whose economic prospects are just as bleak as many of those on the other end of the spectrum who have been likewise duped by the Democratic establishment.

This class of [largely] poor, non-urban, relatively undereducated, white males see Trump as their champion. Horseshit! They are not only being used; they are being abused. The guy and his toadies are in it for one reason: to consrtuct an even bigger moat separating them from us*. End of discussion.

They would be far, far better off aligning themselves with Sanders. At least he’d fight on their behalf.

* The moat idea comes from Stephen Brill’s excellent (but intense) study of the dismantling of the entire American political structure in the last 50 years by corporate malfeasance. The book is called Tailspin, and it is a difficult, but worthwhile, read (which is probably why no one will read it). That said, one of the things I appreciated about it — as disturbing as it is — is that in every section Brill includes something worthy about those who are genuinely fighting back.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

What saddens me (seriously) is that Trump and his cronies in big business and the Republican party have preyed on the legitimate anxieties of a whole group of Americans whose economic prospects are just as bleak as many of those on the other end of the spectrum who have been likewise duped by the Democratic establishment.

This class of [largely] poor, non-urban, relatively undereducated, white males see Trump as their champion. Horseshit! They are not only being used; they are being abused. The guy and his toadies are in it for one reason: to consrtuct an even bigger moat separating them from us*. End of discussion.

They would be far, far better off aligning themselves with Sanders. At least he’d fight on their behalf.

* The moat idea comes from Stephen Brill’s excellent (but intense) study of the dismantling of the entire American political structure in the last 50 years by corporate malfeasance. The book is called Tailspin, and it is a difficult, but worthwhile, read (which is probably why no one will read it). That said, one of the things I appreciated about it — as disturbing as it is — is that in every section Brill includes something worthy about those who are genuinely fighting back.

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I'm going to get that book and read it. Thanks for the recommendation.

Where has Socialism been successful?

It doesn’t work yet people like her are trying to make a wave.....

She will be a one hit wonder!

No offense Ciaban, but the "Trump is so pro-Israel that he couldn't possibly be a white nationalist" is probably the least convincing argument you can make in an effort to defend Trump.

There might not be a country on Earth that is embodies the white nationalist dream more than Israel. It makes all the damn sense in the world that right-wingers/white nationalist Americans support Israel. Just think about it for one second. If you can't figure it out, let me know!

Cortez saying the World will end in 12 years?

Is this lady for real?

That is your future DEM leaders.....

Far less crazy than burying your head in the sand and pretending like climate change isn't happening and isn't a serious concern because...you like oil a lot?

Seems the worm has turned, Dems looking to get rid of her as quick as possilble.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...-ocasio-cortez

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Originally Posted by Scoots

Seems the worm has turned, Dems looking to get rid of her as quick as possilble.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...-ocasio-cortez

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Good luck with that... lol....