Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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04-01-2019, 12:29 PM
nastynice

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Those people are not informed in the very least. This is an example of what’s wrong with our society.

You seem to be the one not informed here..
04-01-2019, 12:31 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by Scoots

It is petty, but I think it's important that a politician trying to communicate an issue to their constituents needs to be totaly clear. Her error actually seems to have made some New Yorkers believe the city wrote a $3B check to Amazon.

That's fair. unfortunately i think they speak as sale people more then educators. I have certainly seen more manipulative uses of language. I do think she knows the difference and don't see her word choice as a big deal or really telling
04-01-2019, 12:34 PM
Crovash

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

It depends who actually runs against him. I see politics as sport so I enjoy how much trump irritates the left but if there was a worthy candidate that more represents my views and if those views outweigh trumps accomplishments so far. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016. If there’s a legit 2020 libertarian candidate, I might vote for them. Of the current dems running, none would get my vote.

Isn’t this precisely my point? Who?

If you are going to bash Ms. Ocasio-Cortez (real easy to do while sitting in the proverbial armchair) it seems that you should have enough interest to know what libertarians you might support. Otherwise, you have litlle, if any, credibility.
04-01-2019, 12:36 PM
benny01

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Originally Posted by flips333

wait are you a farmer or an ecologist...? I love to know what people do.

Moved it to other dedicated thread
04-01-2019, 12:41 PM
joeyc77

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Yes, she did not want to give in to the tax breaks. If 50 companies come to NY and generate that much revenue they would be paying much higher taxes. If Amazon doesn't open a hq there there are still plenty of jobs there. I'm not seeing what she did as necessarily bad. Trump defunding the federal end of the California high speed rail is definitely much more economically devastating than this Amazon hq deal.

50 companies are not offering to come to NY and create those types of jobs and revenue. And while overall the unemployment rate is good, it can always be better.

Trumps job is different from AOCs. I’m not sure of the particulars of the rail deal but I’m assuming those weren’t specific jobs but potential jobs. Either way, trumps job is not primarily about California or any one state
04-01-2019, 12:43 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by Scoots

I'm generally against municipalities giving money to corporations, but from everything I've read the city was going to get far more in return than the $3B break they were giving. Over $1B a year in taxes, tens of thousands of jobs, Amazon sponsored tech education programs for New Yorkers, and more. The big problem New Yorkers I know had with it was that it would "change the city" and I get that. But to argue that it was a money loser for the city is really really wrong.

Well the money aspect is something you are taking at face value. Let's just say that the amount of benefits a city gets in exchange for giving companies massive tax breaks for moving there is generally far less than what is listed in the proposal.

The chances the city was going to get all the benefits described in the press packet is near zero.
04-01-2019, 12:54 PM
joeyc77

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Isn’t this precisely my point? Who?

If you are going to bash Ms. Ocasio-Cortez (real easy to do while sitting in the proverbial armchair) it seems that you should have enough interest to know what libertarians you might support. Otherwise, you have litlle, if any, credibility.

AOC currently has a position in Congress. There are no libertarians currently holding a similar position. There are people like Rand Paul but I thought he was thoroughly beaten in the 2016 debates by almost everyone. I judge people individually for the most part, not by their party affiliation.

Also, this is an AOC thread so obviously if I have an opinion on her, even if it’s unfavorable, I’m going to share it. Can you support her positions or just attack my political followings?
04-01-2019, 01:13 PM
Crovash

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

AOC currently has a position in Congress. There are no libertarians currently holding a similar position. There are people like Rand Paul but I thought he was thoroughly beaten in the 2016 debates by almost everyone. I judge people individually for the most part, not by their party affiliation.

Also, this is an AOC thread so obviously if I have an opinion on her, even if it’s unfavorable, I’m going to share it. Can you support her positions or just attack my political followings?

You can certainly have an opinion on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, and from what you have written, your opinion is based on her positions — many of which, by the way, I have supported on this thread (and some of which I have questioned as well).

My request to you, however, was not an attack on your followings. My request was to ascertain whether you had someone in mind if you were not going to support Trump.

Check me if I’m wrong, but you have indicated that you have no one in mind, but that you might support a libertarian (should one come along, I guess).

Just seems kind of hollow to me, but, then again, it makes complete sense if you see politics as like sports (and I think you may well be in the majority with that opinion). And sports, as we know, is entertainment.
04-01-2019, 01:30 PM
Scoots

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Originally Posted by valade16

Well the money aspect is something you are taking at face value. Let's just say that the amount of benefits a city gets in exchange for giving companies massive tax breaks for moving there is generally far less than what is listed in the proposal.

The chances the city was going to get all the benefits described in the press packet is near zero.

Sure, but the $3B is around 1/10 of the likely optimistic projection, and the chances of it being a money loser for the city were essentially zero. I think the biggest issue was the cultural change that was certain to happen and that the majority of locals definitely did not want.
04-01-2019, 01:34 PM
nastynice

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

50 companies are not offering to come to NY and create those types of jobs and revenue. And while overall the unemployment rate is good, it can always be better.

Trumps job is different from AOCs. I’m not sure of the particulars of the rail deal but I’m assuming those weren’t specific jobs but potential jobs. Either way, trumps job is not primarily about California or any one state

50 companies would love to go there and offer jobs and revenue, wether they can get in and fit in is a diff story.

It doesn't matter if trumps job is about any one state, or if it were about potential jobs, there is a chance for legitimate rapid development for a 1 million+ populated area and he's adding obstacles. That's what matters. Those type of mathematic don't translate to Brooklyn. If AOC nixed this deal as a representative of Detroit then I would probably side with you more.
04-01-2019, 02:17 PM
DeW-Star

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

By all estimates, Amazon would have created thousands of jobs for the area with the averages salary of $150k and generated 27 billion dollars in tax revenue over 10 years. Amazon only wanted to pay 24 billion in taxes. The city lost out. To your earlier point about how NYC doesn’t need the money, in her district that it does and that’s her main responsibility, her district.

FYI, instead of NYC, Amazon went to crystal city, VA which is directly next to the most affluent county in the entire country, Loudoun county. So the rich get richer thanks to AOC and friends.

Amazon was always coming to Crystal City. In fact based on the overall subsidies that were to be handed out amongst the two areas, one would gather that Crystal City was like 1a, with NYC, being 2b.

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04-01-2019, 03:23 PM
joeyc77

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Originally Posted by Crovash

You can certainly have an opinion on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, and from what you have written, your opinion is based on her positions — many of which, by the way, I have supported on this thread (and some of which I have questioned as well).

My request to you, however, was not an attack on your followings. My request was to ascertain whether you had someone in mind if you were not going to support Trump.

Check me if I’m wrong, but you have indicated that you have no one in mind, but that you might support a libertarian (should one come along, I guess).

Just seems kind of hollow to me, but, then again, it makes complete sense if you see politics as like sports (and I think you may well be in the majority with that opinion). And sports, as we know, is entertainment.

Yes, I’m very entertained by the current political arena and furthermore how it’s covered by the media. With the analogy that it’s like a sport. I don’t need to have a favorite team to dislike a school or franchise. For instance, I’ve always disliked Duke basketball. However, I don’t really support a basketball team.

Trumps accomplishments are decent so far. If he runs on his actual accomplishments and not some hyperbole than I may consider him for reelection.
04-01-2019, 03:29 PM
nastynice

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Yes, I’m very entertained by the current political arena and furthermore how it’s covered by the media. With the analogy that it’s like a sport. I don’t need to have a favorite team to dislike a school or franchise. For instance, I’ve always disliked Duke basketball. However, I don’t really support a basketball team.

Trumps accomplishments are decent so far. If he runs on his actual accomplishments and not some hyperbole than I may consider him for reelection.

What's his accomplishments?
04-01-2019, 03:29 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by DeW-Star

Amazon was always coming to Crystal City. In fact based on the overall subsidies that were to be handed out amongst the two areas, one would gather that Crystal City was like 1a, with NYC, being 2b.

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Is that by Camp Crystal Lake?
04-01-2019, 03:30 PM
joeyc77

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Originally Posted by nastynice

50 companies would love to go there and offer jobs and revenue, wether they can get in and fit in is a diff story.

It doesn't matter if trumps job is about any one state, or if it were about potential jobs, there is a chance for legitimate rapid development for a 1 million+ populated area and he's adding obstacles. That's what matters. Those type of mathematic don't translate to Brooklyn. If AOC nixed this deal as a representative of Detroit then I would probably side with you more.

Trumps job matters in comparison to AOC whose main purpose is to serve her constituents. And in this case, I fail to see the negatives.

Which 50 companies are you talking about? Again this is a headquarters, not a packaging plant or whatever. Which companies are going to produce those types of jobs and tax revenue?

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