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Oh, it isn't about race but who the Republican base love to beat up on when it comes to who causes the problems we face. You are a broken record and predictable in who you blame. But for some odd reasons, you can't point to events or some leftist leaning bill that got past in Congress that cause these problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
I don't know if you've ever observed how private institutions work when left to their own devices. But it's far less pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
I did not ignore it. I wrote very clearly that I was unable to open the link. So, maybe if you’d quit being an asswhole and give an answer...Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
Better yet, just forget it.
Hey, the price of a big mac hasn't risen a ridiculous amount over that span with respect to the cpi. In fact, it would be difficult to find any other goods or services that have. Tuition is out of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
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Originally Posted by DeW-Star
I know that is the other blindspot of republicans backers. Republicans or wall street democrats have been firmly in control of the direction this country has been going in, but let it those who are powerless are causing the problems.
It would be laughable if the rest of us weren't suffering along with them.
I posted the answer multiple times and people still insisted they were right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
The requirement to eat big mac's has not gone up over the past few decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
The requirement for undergrad and postgrad education has absolutely spiked. That's the nature of a society that grows and requires further education to compete on a global scale. K-12 education absolutely needs addressing and modification. But that is still not going to absolve the need for this furthering education.
So you believe tuition cost is right where it should be?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
nvm
I do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
Not sure how many other ways you want me to put it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
The cost should be reigned in to a degree and the people that are the ones paying for it should be addressed. Because they are the least equipped to handle the burden of the cost. And they are not the ones who are demanding the education as necessary.
What a wasted opportunity she passed up. It would've been a win/win for her. If she would've beaten Shapiro(she wouldn't) she could've used that as a great badge. And if she lost she could've/would've pulled off the gender card and say that Shapiro was a mean man and all the other things outta the progressive playbook. She was a big coward.
Wrong...again.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
Which is pretty much EVERYONE.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
I know why so many psders like her. She just spouts off ****** talking points that make no sense. It's just like 75% of the politics forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
You must not be paying attention to corporate profits then. They seem to be doing pretty good on their ledgers. And they are the ones demanding all this education from people.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
And then instead of offering a fair salary to pay if off, they undercut the salary potential of the employees by offshoring or bringing in H1-B employees to undercut the amount of money an employee can demand.
We were talking about tuition but I love that you threw in a "they took our jobs" republican talking point for what reason I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
https://www.glassdoor.com/research/h1b-workers/Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
"The bottom line: Across the 10 cities and roughly 100 jobs we examined, salaries for foreign H1B workers are about 2.8 percent higher than comparable U.S. salaries on Glassdoor. While it may be true that an influx of H1B workers in the 1990s hurt computer science wages, there’s no evidence in the data on Glassdoor that H1B workers today represent a source of “cheap” labor paid any lower than comparable U.S. workers."
Comparing H1B and U.S. Wages
"To compare salaries for H1B and U.S. workers, we used a sample of 58,025 salary offers listed on H1B visa applications for workers in 10 large U.S. cities in fiscal year 2016 from the U.S. Department of Labor.
As a comparison group of U.S. workers, we pulled a sample of 101,728 full-time U.S. salaries reported on Glassdoor for a similar time period, in the same 10 cities. We then grouped both samples into similar types of jobs, and looked at roughly 100 jobs for which there was significant data (at least 100 salaries in both H1B and Glassdoor salary samples).
We ran a simple regression of annual salary on controls for city and job title, along with a binary indicator equal to 0 if it was a U.S. salary on Glassdoor and 1 for a H1B visa salary. The estimated coefficient on the H1B visa indicator tells us the average difference in pay between U.S. and foreign workers after accounting for differences in the city and job they worked in.
The table below shows our results. The coefficient on the “H1B Visa = 1” variable shows that foreign H1B salaries are 2.8 percent higher on average than comparable U.S. salaries — a statistically significant difference. Thus, there’s no evidence that H1B workers are paid any lower than comparable U.S. salaries – and, in fact, earn slightly more – once we carefully compare workers in the same jobs, in the same cities, during the same time period in fiscal year 2016."
She’s was talking about free in state tuition, similiar to k-12. What does that have to do with anything you’ve addressed so far? More importantly, what effect does that have on tuition?Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
It's not blaming the immigrants or those offshore. It's blaming the corporations for exploiting not one, but two separate labor forces so that they can make more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
I was talking about how they should face the burden of the cost and why. You really can't connect that how that is relevant?
Because if I didn't put that point in there you would talk how they do pay their fair share of someones education through a salary. But they knowingly undercut that ability to negotiate a fair wage.
Corporations, man!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
Sweet response, Bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
I'll address this when I get the chance. It's not just that cut and dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
Dude your argument was reduced to **** a long time ago and now you're all over the map.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/154822...it-all-hippies
Summarize this dismantling please. All these one-liners have my head spinning.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
Let's see...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
You started off by telling me that I should have spent money on an education because I didn't know what inflation was yet YOU were the one who failed to adjust for inflation. Now you're going off about corporations and stuff, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
You're right, that was an off the cuff quip like I said. You want to say I was wrong there in that quip, I'm fine with that. It doesn't change the fact that costs are out of control to an extent and they are being foisted on the wrong people. It's not government intervention that is the cause of this. The government often intervenes because markets don't look out for the long term best interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
It's never as simple as you like to make the problem and solution out to be.
http://college.usatoday.com/2015/08/...ising-tuition/Quote:
A Federal Reserve Bank of New York report published in July 2015, examines the relationship between the recent expansion of federal student aid and increases in college tuition.
The report highlights three federal aid programs: Federal Direct Subsidized Loans, Federal Direct Unsubsidized Loans and Pell Grants. Each of these government programs increases the credit supply for students to take advantage of, in order to enroll in higher education. The report draws upon the causes of the housing bubble burst that lead to the 2008 financial crisis, as a comparative analysis.
Leading up to the 2008 housing bubble burst, credit was made available to home buyers, increasing their purchasing power in the housing market. This, in turn, inflated home prices above their worth.
In similar fashion, congressional acts between Feb. 2006 and April 2008 expanded the line of credit available to in-need students by revising the Federal Direct programs and Pell Grants. According to the report, “yearly student loan originations grew from $53 billion to $120 billion between 2001 and 2012.”
The report’s findings show that of all three programs the Federal Direct Subsidized Loans generated a 65 cent-on-the-dollar increase on college tuition, while Pell Grants generated a 50 cent-on-the-dollar increase on college tuition. The Federal Direct Unsubsidized Loans had little to no effect on the price.
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Originally Posted by fingerbang
Colleges just raise prices because they know the Government will pay it. If we had college loans setup like other countries do single payer, where the Government refused to grant loans to students going to colleges that raise their rates too much, those colleges would immediately cap their tuition rate increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
If the Government got tough with colleges, you'd see instant turnaround. Start with the worst offenders and start working your way down colleges. There's no college in the US that wants to lose federal loan money, so they'd all immediately cease these massive rate increases.
Exactly. Hopefully you can get through to him. I tried making the same argument but then he resorted back to one-liners because he couldn't refute that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Oh but less government and less regulation...yeah that’s been historically great right? Everyone for themselves, **** the poor, **** the sick, **** blue collar workers, **** consumer rights and public safety, **** clean air and water...SMALL GOVERNMENT Coughcoughcouhh FOREVER!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
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At one point it was affordable and that's what it should be now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men
More people needed to be educated. Which requires a ramp up of costs to accommodate that. You also need to make it affordable for those people you need to educate, hence the grants/loans. The problem isn't that we are ramping up education. It's how we do it, and whom the burden falls under. You can't just leave an entire nation behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
The data suggests government backed loans make college less affordable for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
So you want single payer meaning college is free and the taxpayer foots the bill?
With stipulations yes. And the colleges would have to rein in their unnecessary spending or they wouldn't get the subsidy and they'd be SOL. Believe it or not, when you are a very large entity, your bargaining power is also quite large. I also think that corporations should be footing a good portion of this bill with a tax on every position in which they demand a college degree. That will make them think hard and long about positional requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
Tell me a politician who doesn’t. Hers make a lot more sense than others I could name, but that’s a different issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
But seriously, who is your go-to national politician? Do you have one?
65% when you are not around for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
Check out the minimum wage since the mid ‘60’s — in constant dollars it is down almost 40%. No wonder you can get your fill of fat good and cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
Yep and what WES said is absolutely correct. We often subsidize those wages with corporate welfare by having to pay for the welfare of many of the low level employees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash