Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by natepro

You seem to think I said here that Christians should be perfect, and I didn't. I know the whole schpiel.

My point was that Christians today actively don't care about those things. Most of them don't even recognize the Sabbath to begin with, much less "keep it holy." Ask anyone that works in a restaurant on Sunday how holy that crowd is.

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Dude, there’s a lot of people who faithfully go to church but don’t know God. They never change. The Bible says that one day Jesus will say, “I never knew you.” He isn’t talking to the non-believers when he says that. He’s talking to those who think they punched their ticket to paradise, but deep down, never knew Jesus and never turned from their wickedness. There will be people who committed murder in heaven and people who spent their life in church in hell. Only God knows the true heart of every man and woman and there are a lot of “Christians” who are rotting internally because they don’t actually know God.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Dude, there’s a lot of people who faithfully go to church but don’t know God. They never change. The Bible says that one day Jesus will say, “I never knew you.” He isn’t talking to the non-believers when he says that. He’s talking to those who think they punched their ticket to paradise, but deep down, never knew Jesus and never turned from their wickedness. There will be people who committed murder in heaven and people who spent their life in church in hell. Only God knows the true heart of every man and woman and there are a lot of “Christians” who are rotting internally because they don’t actually know God.

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I honestly have no idea what part of this you think is a reply to what I said.

If you'd like to argue that whatever version of the Ten Commandments you accept still applies today you're free to do so, but we both know pretty much anyone that isn't Jewish isn't concerning themselves with the Sabbath.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Dude, there’s a lot of people who faithfully go to church but don’t know God. They never change. The Bible says that one day Jesus will say, “I never knew you.” He isn’t talking to the non-believers when he says that. He’s talking to those who think they punched their ticket to paradise, but deep down, never knew Jesus and never turned from their wickedness. There will be people who committed murder in heaven and people who spent their life in church in hell. Only God knows the true heart of every man and woman and there are a lot of “Christians” who are rotting internally because they don’t actually know God.

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You are a truly horrid person to be spreading the word of God (that is unless your motivation for doing as much is to turn people away from Christianity).

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Originally Posted by natepro

I honestly have no idea what part of this you think is a reply to what I said.

If you'd like to argue that whatever version of the Ten Commandments you accept still applies today you're free to do so, but we both know pretty much anyone that isn't Jewish isn't concerning themselves with the Sabbath.

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I honestly have no idea how you don’t understand that this is an appropriate reply to what you said. But, we think two different ways.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

I honestly have no idea how you don’t understand that this is an appropriate reply to what you said. But, we think two different ways.

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I get you're trying to do the No True Scotsman thing, because that's what you do in this situation. It just doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you give a **** about the Sabbath.


Edit: I mean the royal "you" here, not just you specifically. It's the Christian response. I gave it plenty of times myself.

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Originally Posted by natepro

I get you're trying to do the No True Scotsman thing, because that's what you do in this situation. It just doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you give a **** about the Sabbath.


Edit: I mean the royal "you" here, not just you specifically. It's the Christian response. I gave it plenty of times myself.

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My point was that there are Christians who don’t know God. They know Bible verses, they go to church, but they don’t actually know God on an emotional/spiritual level, they don’t strive to obey him, and they continue living their life just as they did before they ever picked up a Bible or walked into a church, hence why they wouldn’t recognize the Sabbath.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

My point was that there are Christians who don’t know God. They know Bible verses, they go to church, but they don’t actually know God on an emotional/spiritual level, they don’t strive to obey him, and they continue living their life just as they did before they ever picked up a Bible or walked into a church, hence why they wouldn’t recognize the Sabbath.

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Great. Who are the Christians following the Sabbath?

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Originally Posted by natepro

Great. Who are the Christians following the Sabbath?

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I don’t have a Rolodex of Christians at my disposal. What kind of question is this? lol

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

I don’t have a Rolodex of Christians at my disposal. What kind of question is this? lol

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If only there was some sort of digital superhighway with more information than anyone could possibly use in multiple lifetimes right at your fingertips. Wouldn't it be nice if we had something like that some day?

There's literally a term for the denominations that recognize and observe the sabbath because most don't.

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Originally Posted by natepro

If only there was some sort of digital superhighway with more information than anyone could possibly use in multiple lifetimes right at your fingertips. Wouldn't it be nice if we had something like that some day?

There's literally a term for the denominations that recognize and observe the sabbath because most don't.

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With such an awesome tool at your disposal, why are you asking me?

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

The best analogy I can make is this…

When you were in high school, there were laws for life and laws for high school. As long as you were in high school, you were bound by the law of your school. Things like, you had to be at school at 7:45, in class X by a certain time, the educational requirements, etc. You were also bound by the laws for life. Do not murder, do not steal, or even things like the laws of the road or paying taxes if you worked. Once you graduated high school, you were no longer bound by the laws of your school. You fulfilled the requirements, their purpose, and you were no longer under the rule of that law. But the laws of life still apply as they always did.

So when Jesus fulfilled the law, he fulfilled some of it, while other laws, the laws for life as put forth by God, still apply as they always did. The way that we know which apply, and which do not, first comes by studying and understanding why certain Old Testament laws were there in the first place. Like the animal sacrifices. Once Jesus was sacrificed, that law become obsolete. But it was necessary for the people who were under it at that time because Jesus the messiah had not yet been born and sacrificed. The next way that we know what applies to today comes from what Jesus preached, specifically about what is sinful, what God considers an abomination, what we should do, what we shouldn’t do, etc. While Jesus never specifically says, “Guys, don’t dress like the ladies.” He is consistent in his condemnation of sexual immorality, which the Bible laid out as being any sex that does not happen between a man and wife within the context of their marriage. Included in that, are roles for man and woman in the marriage and in life.

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But in your analogy, as in life, the rules of High School and the Life are defined, I could go read the penal code to know the laws against murder, etc.

what you call studying and understanding can also be called by another word: interpreting. If it doesn't say explicitly, you are left to infer. You may have inferred correctly, and your inferences made on intense studying and understanding of the text, but it is still an inference and therefore an interpretation. Others have interpreted it differently, and there is no objective way to determine which is which.

To my point, interpreting cross-dressing as sexual immorality when there are instances of cross-dressing that have nothing to do with sex. As an example, in the Army I went to a unit Halloween party as a prom queen (Army humor, what can I say?) complete with the tiara and sash. I also had an infantry buddy who would wear a pink dress to see other people be uncomfortable when he walked in the room wearing it. There was nothing sexual about that.

Why do you assume all cross dressing has to do with sexual immorality?

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

With such an awesome tool at your disposal, why are you asking me?

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Because that's how conversations work.

And, given that your own denomination didn't spring to mind when I asked you, it seems safe to assume you're not among them. How often do you honor the Sabbath and keep it holy?

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Originally Posted by natepro

Because that's how conversations work.

And, given that your own denomination didn't spring to mind when I asked you, it seems safe to assume you're not among them. How often do you honor the Sabbath and keep it holy?

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I claim no denomination. I believe in the Bible as the word of God and Jesus as the messiah. That’s it.

I work a lot of Sundays. 12-hour night shifts.

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Originally Posted by valade16

But in your analogy, as in life, the rules of High School and the Life are defined, I could go read the penal code to know the laws against murder, etc.

what you call studying and understanding can also be called by another word: interpreting. If it doesn't say explicitly, you are left to infer. You may have inferred correctly, and your inferences made on intense studying and understanding of the text, but it is still an inference and therefore an interpretation. Others have interpreted it differently, and there is no objective way to determine which is which.

To my point, interpreting cross-dressing as sexual immorality when there are instances of cross-dressing that have nothing to do with sex. As an example, in the Army I went to a unit Halloween party as a prom queen (Army humor, what can I say?) complete with the tiara and sash. I also had an infantry buddy who would wear a pink dress to see other people be uncomfortable when he walked in the room wearing it. There was nothing sexual about that.

Why do you assume all cross dressing has to do with sexual immorality?

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Obviously, not all forms of cross dressing are what the Bible is referring to here. Stallone dressed as a woman to go undercover on the street at the beginning of Nighthawks. Not the same as taking estrogen and wearing a dress and heels as a way of life. I think you can discern that much without my help, anyway.

Of course the Bible is interpreted differently, but that usually applies to a few very, very specific passages. The rest is pretty “See Spot. See Spot run.” Those who want to twist the words are often just looking to amuse themselves in confrontations with Christians when they don’t even believe the validity of the book themselves anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Obviously, not all forms of cross dressing are what the Bible is referring to here. Stallone dressed as a woman to go undercover on the street at the beginning of Nighthawks. Not the same as taking estrogen and wearing a dress and heels as a way of life. I think you can discern that much without my help, anyway.

Of course the Bible is interpreted differently, but that usually applies to a few very, very specific passages. The rest is pretty “See Spot. See Spot run.” Those who want to twist the words are often just looking to amuse themselves in confrontations with Christians when they don’t even believe the validity of the book themselves anyway.

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And yet I’m not the one trying to twist the words of the Bible as saying no cross dressing; you are…

Again, why do you assume everyone who cross dresses is taking estrogen? Many don’t. It seems your perception of cross dressers is based on a bigoted stereotype…