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03-10-2019, 02:21 AM
fingerbang

The next time a conservative proposes an anti-abortion bill I'm gonna call you an extremist for calling them conservatives. :laugh2:
03-10-2019, 02:28 AM
mngopher35

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There's nothing extreme about what I said. She's a self described socialist. Those are the goals of the party. All that stuff is wedged into the proposal, feel free to read it.

You initially called it a socialist takeover lol and then claimed she was a raging socialist. You have separately brought this aspect up a couple times now for some odd reason. It seems pretty obvious what you are doing here.

As I already said she is moving things more towards socialism but that doesn't mean America will become socialist country because of it. Seems simple and obvious to me just like the first time I said it when you did this.
03-10-2019, 02:34 AM
fingerbang

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

You initially called it a socialist takeover lol and then claimed she was a raging socialist. You have separately brought this aspect up a couple times now for some odd reason. It seems pretty obvious what you are doing here.

As I already said she is moving things more towards socialism but that doesn't mean America will become socialist country because of it. Seems simple and obvious to me just like the first time I said it when you did this.

I'm not backing off those statements. Only a raging socialist would propose an energy bill that had more to do with a government takeover of the labor and housing markets.
03-10-2019, 02:40 AM
fingerbang

Let's have a reasonable discussion about the proposal please. She and other important politicians are going to "talk" to farmers about cow farts. Surely that will solve our energy crisis, that and free education and the abolition of ice.
03-10-2019, 02:45 AM
mngopher35

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Calling her plan socialism isn't extreme - it's reality. No one forced her to make it about that stuff. And even if you cut all that stuff out and just focus on going 100% renewable by year 20xx it's still unreasonable without even factoring in how we pay for it. The country has a massive energy demand to meet and we can't overhaul the system that quickly.

It's really a joke that it's even called the green new deal when it's about so much other stuff.

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It is though because the plan in and of itself is not pure socialism even if it leans further left. Some ideas withing it are definitely closer to socialism than where we are today but that is different than the plan itself being socialism. Calling it socialism is like I said just how people who are playing those games like Trump react to ideas from "the other side.

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Going 100% renewable is hardly a new talking point. The reason why she "sparked" so much discussion is because she's a raging socialist and crafted a pipe dream plan that's moves the US significantly more towards socialism. It's parody.

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It's bizarre world. Self proclaimed socialists run around calling people right of them fascists but if you call them a socialist they get mad at you. :laugh:

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The democratic socialists agenda is:

Free healthcare
Free education
Housing for all
Jobs guarantee
Abolition of ICE and relaxed borders
etc
etc

Somehow all that stuff was magically shoehorned into an energy proposal made by... you guessed it - democratic socialists. So people call the proposal out for what it is, a socialist plan made by socialists and people like gopher get offended. You can't make it up.

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The next time a conservative proposes an anti-abortion bill I'm gonna call you an extremist for calling them conservatives. :laugh2:

Your first post about it, my response. You then brought it up a few more times randomly outside of the discussion/responding

I think calling this a socialist takeover/her a raging socialist based on what I said/context and all the side posts show both where I actually stand despite your rhetoric. It would be like trying to make republicans today seem extreme by calling them fascists type thing given their spot on political compass. I could make the argument but rhetoric like that (and handled the way you clearly have) is done for obvious reasons in political conversation.
03-10-2019, 02:48 AM
mngopher35

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

I'm not backing off those statements. Only a raging socialist would propose an energy bill that had more to do with a government takeover of the labor and housing markets.

You don't have to, just like some people don't back off calling republicans fascists.
03-10-2019, 02:53 AM
fingerbang

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You don't have to, just like some people don't back off calling republicans fascists.

You know she's not hiding behind the fact that she's a socialist, neither are people like Bernie, yet people like you get pissy when people say they are what they are.
03-10-2019, 03:04 AM
dbroncsinmo

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You don't have to, just like some people don't back off calling republicans fascists.

All I am doing is asking for your justification that this is a medium deal. You are refusing to point out these mediums every time. Could you kindly tell us what the mediums are? You won't do it.
03-10-2019, 03:10 AM
mngopher35

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You know she's not hiding behind the fact that she's a socialist, neither are people like Bernie, yet people like you get pissy when people say they are what they are.

I don't get how this relates to the conversation?

I am pointing out that you were using rhetoric for a reason to try to get a reaction. Socialist takeover and raging socialist are what they like to call this/themselves? Examples?

Why keep posting about it in that way though if you were just using labels? It's obvious you have been doing this stuff for a reaction, with the strawman arguments/ignoring my posts too. It wasn't about the plan or a discussion it was about teams/winning and provoking the other side. I am now pointing it out, that's my reaction for ya.

I am not mad or pissed lol it is a forum for discussion I just think you playing this game throughout has been lame. I am simply calling it out now and probably/hopefully this fizzles out soon or we just change course on the discussion to something policy related/logic/actually responding to the other persons arguments soon. I gave you some of the things I could remember from the plan I liked if you wanna go that route maybe go point out issues with those, I am positive there is at least 1 thing (probably more) you could teach/convince me about this bill if you wanted.
03-10-2019, 03:11 AM
mngopher35

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All I am doing is asking for your justification that this is a medium deal. You are refusing to point out these mediums every time. Could you kindly tell us what the mediums are? You won't do it.

I responded to your post about things I like and you ignored it...
03-10-2019, 03:14 AM
fingerbang

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I don't get how this relates to the conversation?

I am pointing out that you were using rhetoric for a reason to try to get a reaction. Just like that would be Socialist takeover and raging socialist are what they like to call this/themselves? Examples?

Why keep posting about it in that way though if you were just using labels? It's obvious you have been doing this stuff for a reaction, with the strawman arguments/ignoring my posts too. It wasn't about the plan or a discussion it was about teams/winning and provoking the other side. I am now pointing it out, that's my reaction for ya.

I am not mad or pissed lol it is a forum for discussion I just think you playing this game throughout has been lame. I am simply calling it out now and probably/hopefully this fizzles out soon or we just change course on the discussion to something policy related/logic/actually responding to the other persons arguments soon. I gave you some of the things I could remember from the plan I liked if you wanna go that route maybe go point out issues with those, I am positive there is at least 1 thing (probably more) you could teach/convince me about this bill if you wanted.

The Green New Deal - the proposal we're talking about, lol. Happens to include virtually every single aspect of the socialist agenda not pertaining to energy. Amazing. Not calling it socialist would be a lie.
03-10-2019, 03:20 AM
mngopher35

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The Green New Deal - the proposal we're talking about, lol. Happens to include virtually every single aspect of the socialist agenda not pertaining to energy. Amazing. Not calling it socialist would be a lie.

Hahahaha you have to be trying to do this, there is no way it's an accident.

Out of that whole post the one thing you could find to do was again call this deal socialist lol. Like again I get calling it moving us toward socialism on the scale etc. but calling it a socialist takeover/her a raging socialist/always mentioning it/ignoring all else to keep focusing on it etc. makes the agenda way too obvious and this discussion more and more ridiculous.

One more time I am mad and shes a socialist and so is Bernie...
03-10-2019, 03:21 AM
fingerbang

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Hahahaha you have to be trying to do this, there is no way it's an accident.

Out of that whole post the one thing you could find to do was again call this deal socialist lol. Like again I get calling it moving us toward socialism on the scale etc. but calling it a socialist takeover/her a raging socialist/always mentioning it/ignoring all else to keep focusing on it etc. makes the agenda way too obvious and this discussion more and more ridiculous.

One more time I am mad and shes a socialist and so is Bernie...

Do you think it isn't?
03-10-2019, 03:32 AM
mngopher35

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Do you think it isn't?

I do think it moves us more towards socialism overall etc. in the sense mentioned but America would not be socialists or based on socialism over capitalism as a whole all of the sudden with this plan implemented. It is definitely a huge step/reach and we agreed there's issues but it isn't some socialist takeover and she isn't some raging socialist.
03-10-2019, 03:36 AM
fingerbang

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I do think it moves us more towards socialism overall etc. in the sense mentioned but America would not be socialists or based on socialism over capitalism as a whole all of the sudden with this plan implemented. It is definitely a huge step/reach and we agreed there's issues but it isn't some socialist takeover and she isn't some raging socialist.

How do you guarantee a living wage? How do you guarantee "affordable" housing? You **** with the market via government. And I'm being nice. She also just flat out guaranteed that stuff (handouts welfare state).

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