Yeah, those big draw sports paid for my educationQuote:
Originally Posted by WES445
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Yeah, those big draw sports paid for my educationQuote:
Originally Posted by WES445
Assuming sports and therefore sports scholarships should even been a part of colleges and/or universities (no need to respond — obviously, they are well entrenched in the culture and in the institutions, so we’re not about to change it).Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
Just means the German model would not serve us well as a template for reform.
I don’t know. We were comfortable with the club model in sports when I was in them(20yrs ago), and it’s only become more popular since. That was where the competition was. It’s become more and more common in the smaller draw sports. At the small school level among high schools, we are seeing more and more kids opt for club sports over school sports. Granted that’s because parents want the exposure for scholarships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
catch phrases tend to attract followers, and turn others off. They aren't productive. "Free" anything, will catch a lot of eyes, yet go nowhere in conversations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter_White
While I am sure you have another shot to take (it's all you really offer), if you haven't gotten my attempted point by now, you won't.
The US club sport system can be insidious, given that most of them are built on a pay-as-you-go basis, which does two potentially negative things: (1) it can deter families who do not have the requisite resources, and (2) it generates an investment mentality — i.e. your observation that many do it to gain exposure for potential scholarships.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
Frankly, the Premier League model in England makes the most sense for budding athletes. Kid thinks he’s got potential? He tries out for the Under 12 - 18 team affiliated with the pro team.
https://www.premierleague.com/gallery/409257
Oh.....she did something in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
What does she do now?
Vote ‘No’ on everything, and fight Trump, and look like a stupid idiot. I’m sorry your incumbent establishment darling is fading on the horizon, but deal with it. These young bucks don’t give two ****s about Pelosi and her pull is diminishing.
What about Paul Ryan!
I never liked him, I’ve criticized him before on here, and he doesn’t belong in the discussion because he isn’t feuding with AOC. But whatabout Paul Ryan is what you bring into the discussion.
We are way off topic now, so I leave it here. The money for club kids with talent will be available, I traveled the country on peoples money who wanted to say they had something to do with my success. My parents weren’t well off. But yes, it would certainly deter some kids from having the opportunity. And yes, no sports in schools would be a pretty foreign concept to much of the country. I think you could sell the change though. I also think that the costs would decrease for lesser leagues(clubs).Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
My daughter studied in Germany at gymnasium for a year in high school. She said that more kids were involved in sports and other clubs than are here, and that there was much more variety in what they could choose to do. She was in a horseback riding and ski club for example. She paid about $150 US to join both clubs and had no surprise fees(which her mother and I expected). Granted, we aren’t Germany. They don’t have the poverty we do, but I think affordable activities would be available for all kids. Germany also had lot of intramural things that the school supported at no cost.
Oh I'm well ware of it. I'd just like to see some of this money be channelled back to other students.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
How much does the Alabama coach make? Or Ohio State Or Notre Dame? A littlew over the top in my opinion/
Lots of college athletes never grauate. That makes me wonder what the goal of the school is…educate students or be playing football on January 1. nAs far as the non-glamorous sports … so what. I wouldn't give out any scholarships in any sport that doesn't earn it's keep. Other than football and basketball that's pretty much every other sport. I'd rather see a C student with a reasonable tuition rate that a free ride for a swimmer.
Also, unless the school is really successful, they don't make all that much from sports. The top 15 or so bowl game teams may make money but the secondary bowls do not. They don't draw to the Motor City Bowl or the Humanitarian Bowl etc. Those teams may actually lose, but you can't turn down a bowl game or you're doomed.
Way too much money involved in college sports.
You refuse to debate the idea, and instead focus on the word “free”. This idea is immensely popular, as are other progressive ideas, and you can word it however you want, it won’t change anything. I don’t know what to tell you, dude, you are talking in circles and simply have no argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
You are crazy. The things you rail against. Don't give out scholarships to any sport that doesn't earn it's keep but then, later in the same post, you say that there is too much money (being too successful) in other sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
I have trouble with penmanship and you have a problem with consistent logic. From one old dog to another.
Not at all. You have trouble with reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
If basketball and football make money even after expense (e.g scholarships, travel, uniforms etc.) then they show a profit which is beneficial to the college.
Income from the sport minus the cost of the sport = more money for the school.
More money for the school = an easing of the schools cost to operate = lower tuition.
Are you with me so far?
If income from the swim team does not cover the cost of the swim team (e.g. again scholarships and travel) then they show a loss for having the swim team.
Less money for the school because of the loss of funds from operating a swim team = an increase in the schools cost to operate = higher tuition.
I don't really care if any of these kids get to play football or swim around. I do care of their sport cost me money in higher tuition. The top school basketball and football programs don't seem to cost any money.
And doesn't it bother you at all that the NFL and NBA don't put a dime into this and get all the benefits? Baseball pays to developew their players. The NBA and NFL get a free ride.
Like following the shifting sands of the Sahara. So now too much money in some sports is a good thing. You need to quit acting like you laid out a logical argument when you keep shifting your position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
No, it doesn't bother me (or anyone in the free world) that the professional sports draft college player. You just posted how the colleges gain a much-needed income from their sports program and, I will add, their football and basketball players get a much-needed education in how to play their sport. So who loses? Of course, the system isn't perfect, nothing man-made is, but it isn't as bad as you are poorly trying to communicate. I might push for the kids getting a small salary on the level of student work, but I wouldn't change a thing
As from getting money from the Pro league, many times you hear about pro players (just recently LeBron) give back to their community as well as their former school. Ex bull player, Noah, work with community in distress here in Chicago as well as this new bull, Parker, who support his old high school
The small sports earn enough money to pay for themselves at the big schools through sponsorships. That’s why we had to do asic shoots. Adidas when I transferred. When you get to smaller schools you are right though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Don't smaller school cut sports programs instead of raising tuition? And if that was truly a problem, no one forced these kids to pay the higher tuition. Let the market decide, as we see higher attendance rate for the more successful schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
A business associate is a fundraiser for USF. They're a big school (student wise) with a growing football program. A few years back they got on a run and broke into the top ten then finished in the 16 -17 range and over thew next few years they got invited to a few bowl games. They prayed for local bowls … St Pete, Orlando - where travel was minimal otherwise he said they would lose money.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
According to what I was told, it is very difficult to turn down a bowl invite. A lot goes on behind the scenes and some of the unusual bowl pairings are orchestrated to save money.
I would hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
No college doesn't raise tuition, lol. You think Jeff Bezos is bad go look at what colleges are doing...
They do. Being small have its own problems, but I wouldn't indict the whole system because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
you tried to make some weak argument that didn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter_White
a new face of, a new face for.. it's the same damn thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter_White
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ives-democrats
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The bright new face of the left
https://pagesix.com/2018/07/01/ex-co...ocasio-cortez/
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is being hailed as the new face of the Democratic Party
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...cortez/564974/
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Ocasio-Cortez has a compelling personal story, and a bold vision (Medicare for all, free higher education, a federal jobs guarantee) that makes the Nancy Pelosi–Chuck Schumer establishment look bland. And her telegenicity landed her in Stephen Colbert’s guest chair. Most of the mainstream media, which ignored—or missed entirely—her digital-age spadework, seems now to be overcompensating, to the point of virtually anointing her as the new face of the party.
you can keep arguing because you know that I'm right. the point remains the same, there are many people calling her the new face of the party/the new face for the party. these are the same thing.
calling a moderator pathetic, good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter_White
Sometimes. The programs don’t cost nearly as much as the big schools either. When I transferred to a small private school we only ran a deficit of about $2500, less than a dollar per student. The drama department ran a bigger deficit on their productions, and I wouldn’t advocate cutting that. Buddy coaches baseball at the local CC, makes 4K a season and they’ve won 2 national championships in the last 10 yrs. So, yeah the costs at that level are overblown.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
corrections. They don't always make the cutsQuote:
Originally Posted by WES445
Ok what did she do now while in the minority. She marshaled the votes to pass the Puerto Rico relief bill that Paul Ryan couldn’t. Oh and that bill also kept us from defaulting on the debt which Paul and the Freedom Caucus didn’t do a damn thing to stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by CityofTreez
I get it you don’t like her and don’t like her politics. That’s fine and I don’t expect you to but you should at least be respectful for people who are successful in their job and move things forward.
I like people who can actually do something for my side and AOC won’t do that. Paul Ryan won’t do that. Whoever the right replaces him with won’t do that. I respect people who can actually do something on the other side.
We get it. English isn't your strong suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
Serious question. Whom do you like? Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by CityofTreez
Likening it to catcalling was a little bit in poor taste since there was nothing sexual at all in what he said. She should have just continued to not say anything. Who cares what him and his followers say on Twitter.
It was a funny quip tho. Sucks the right has gone all PC and turned into a bunch of snowflakes though. Overbearing pc principals were one of the most annoying things about the lefts progressive movement.
It’s a little hypocritical though that OP hasn’t created a thread from his outrage in how the right conducts themselves on Twitter.
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Are there any other congressmen or candidates he challenged to a debate? Since he’s known as a partisan hack and nothing more, she should have just ignored him and continued doing interviews with respectable journalists. There are plenty of conservative journalists if she wants to broaden her support base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Ocasio-Cortez remembered the important rule of politics, never argue down. It is a forgotten rule in this age of Trump who breaks it all the time. Which makes sense for Trump, getting in playground name calling arguments is his strength as a politician. But for most of us, picking a fight with someone below you is just stupid. All you can do is lose. Ocasio-Cortez can beat Shapiro in a debate and win nothing. Debating some 4th rate radio personality gets her nothing. Losing to Shapiro hurts her. No upside to fighting down. It is just like Trump ragging on Maxine Waters. Win or lose, he is arguing with a single congresswoman and he is the president. She wins simply by being there. The same thing with Shapiro. He wins by being there. Of course he wants to challenge her, he has nothing to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
It is always good to see a young politician smart enough to understand that there are rules that make politics easier and you don't have to reinvent the wheel to run for office.
Trump doesn’t argue down. He argues up. The president isn’t arguing with anyone. A petty whiny ***** is arguing with lots of people. He’s at least striking even when he fights Omarosa or Michael Cohen.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyFan
I get what you’re saying but I can’t not point this out.
ooohhh can I play?Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
Republicans in 2012:
**** Russia, Obama is a traitor
Republicans in 2018:
Russia is ok as long as a republican is in office.
But what about. The republicans suck btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU
They all suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
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memes are always stupid oversimplifications for people who don't actually want to think. Don't engage.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU
Romney in 2012: Russia is the biggest threat to the United StatesQuote:
Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU
Democrats in 2012: HAHAHA
Democrats in 2018: Russia is the biggest threat to the US!
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yeah spots programs don't cost nearly as much when you aren't paying some ******* 4 million a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
Since you mentioned Kennedy and AOC, curious how you feel about Kennedy working to make more grants available to provide low cost or even free tuition to students?Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
ha ha ha ha ha. History is a *****.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
Lol free tuition is the dumbest idea ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
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College tuition was like a few hundred bucks then. A bunch of hippies took over and have had control since. Now the price of a degree is astronomic and worth a lot less.
Insightful. Care to say why that's the case?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255