Was gonna say, it's pretty easy to not have a material increase in your product when your labor hasn't had a material increase in wages in that time either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
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Was gonna say, it's pretty easy to not have a material increase in your product when your labor hasn't had a material increase in wages in that time either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
I’m just calling BS on the whole anti Big Gov argument. I mean I’d also call BS on the more govt extreme, but currently we need more regulations and oversight on corporate sectors by people who aren’t just profiting off the sector they are overseeing. Education, banking, usda....all of itQuote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
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And you're now on the record for being clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by browski234
Congrats!
clueless to the benefits of internment camps?
We didn't have this problem when the states actually funded their colleges.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
How.. What would she have to lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
Shapiro is a commentator, which means he is not running for anything, so his interest is in ratings rather than votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
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Originally Posted by DeW-Star
I’m at a friends bachelor party so I don’t have time to break it down. But where I work they main h1b companies hire them and contract them out so you don’t have to pay them benefits. And they don’t offer many benefits at all either so the entire total all in loaded cost ends up being much lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
And that occurs on top of undercutting of salaries when the market is already saturated. That was an interesting article you linked so it is possible there is some material benefit to smaller areas that have labor shortages.
But h1-b is a much smaller part of the problem. Offshoring is the biggest culprit. You can get those people for about 1/3 of the cost of a us based resource. I work for a Fortune 500 company and a ton of the big companies are offshoring a ton of the premium service industry positions (program management, finance, accounting, IT). They are doing this when we have no issues with overall profit but they are just pushing for more.
And on contracts that demand US citizens, they’ve gotten around that quark by looking to undercut the rates with Puerto Rican’s. I have no issue with using them if they were using realistic rates, but the rates they use are pretty predatory and toxic to both labor markets.
There really needs to be reform to taking advantage of companies outsourcing for cheap labor in the industries that are the bread and butter for American workers. We left manufacturing behind because we saw the service market as a better market for US citizens. The idea was cheaper products and us citizens going to the higher level paying jobs anyways (though fly over states got left behind to an extent). But now we are undercutting this new labor market and I don’t see the path to the next market for the US citizens to jump towards. It’s also well documented that these efforts are all part of what is leading to wage stagnation for the working class people.
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Very short sighted. She would be able to reach a larger audience with her ideals and message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
She could do a bunch of things to achieve just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
But demanding that she accept this random solicitation from Shapiro, who is not even approaching her in good faith, is incontrovertibly a stupid opinion to have. That should really be all that is needed here. She has no obligation, nor should she, to accept it. And I can not for the life of me think of an instance were the public has ever insisted on something like this. We would and we have NEVER held any other candidate for office to this standard. It's insanity.
Get over it. It melts my mind how dumb y'all are being about this.
A bunch of weirdos.
What large audience?. I never heard of this guy until he challenged her. He is just trying to make a name for himself. She did the right thing. He needs her more then she needs him. No, it is very strategic on her part. Only do things that help her cause.
Republican candidates do it all the time. They don't go debate leftist talking heads cause they have nothing to gain from doing it. How many times did Trump appear at Mexican churches to debate their leaders or black organizations, environmental groups or debate unions talking heads? OH NO, you don't call him out for not doing this, but a leftist?
Y'all expect liberals or leftist to jump thru extra hoops to gain a respect you, on the right, will never give them. So keep on bashing, because that is really what it is all about.
Y'all republicans have no integrity with this double standards.
There does seem to be a disconnect here.
On the one hand there are those who clearly dislike Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and chastize her for being a naive media darling whose exposure is way overblown.
And then there are those who clearly dislike her and condemn her for passing up opportunities to expand her exposure because she won’t debate some lame chode of a commentator.
What’s the old saying? “Sometimes, you can’t win for losing.”
Jon Stewart pointed this out regarding Samantha Bee's feckless **** comment. He was 100% right and so are you. I don't know why people play that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
Ben shapiro should stick to telling us how porn is bad and immoral
Wait the most covered democrat in the 2018 midterms needs a greater reach? that's just funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
And expect to be taken seriously when they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
Random aside...Keith Rothfus, a 3-time incumbent (I think) who is now going to be running against Conor Lamb here (the Court's redraw of the districts essentially put Lamb into Rothfus' district so hence two incubants facing off) has almost gone two years without making a public appearance. He's never at his offices in his district. No town halls. No open forum meetings. Nothing. Zero interaction with his constituents for almost 2 years now. Remember a year+ ago during the Repeal and Replace health care saga and how many Republicans gave their constituents the cold shoulder? Republicans dodge their constituents all the time. No conservative in the world cares about that. But AOC doesn't accept this insanely stupid and unreasonable offer from 4 foot 8 inch Ben Shaprio, who is neither running against her nor a constituent? HOW DARE SHE!
I keep saying it, but this is one of the dumbest things ever discussed in this forum. The criticism of her from the right is one of the saddest examples of how hyper partisan people are and how it does nothing but lead them to getting all bent out of shape over the dumbest things. Like this. No reasonable person would care, let alone be upset, about a politician not accepting random solicitations for debate.
What a ****** bachelor party. What are you guys doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
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So be it. Now here’s your chance to put it out there: https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...choice-and-whyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vinylman
OK. How about you chime in here:Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...choice-and-why
LMAO, and Trump's supporters can point to the logical talking points that Trump spouts, including the daily lies he loves to tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle!Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
You're a walking "talking points that make no sense". Everything is just "damn hippies!" or "COMMUNISM BAD" with you, my man.
Those are fair observations about what this forum is. I just hope you self-identify.
Thank you for the reply, and enjoy the party. Haven't been to a bachelor party for ages, but they are fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
First bold: You seem to be generalizing based off of a small ("your area") sample size. By no means am I someone who has a strong understanding of the program and of its consequences, but it has intrigued me for some time, so I do have a basic understanding of it from the 20k ft view and from what I have seen, your perception isn't the overall reality.
The vast majority of the technology partners I work with are associated with foreign (mostly European) technology and a decent percentage of their employees are also European. Out of those employees, I would venture to guess that 90%+ are direct employees with full benefits. And trust me, these guys and gals are paid very very well. Also, these technology employers are scatted all over the U.S. so we are not looking at a single or small geographical footprint.
Second bold: I agree 100%. Offshoring is a massive problem and needs to be fixed. And right, wrong or indifferent that problem is being looked at more closely now under this administration than it has in a very long time. But my post to you was 100% about H1B, so no need to hash this one out, as we are in agreement.
JMO, but there is no upside to her debating Shapiro. Beating him in the debate gets her nothing. Shapiro is a 3rd rate radio host looking for ratings. He is the kind of guy that she needed to debate before she won the primary. If she was trying to get her brand established and needed name recognition, then going on his show makes sense. Now, if she is going to debate someone, she needs to go after someone who can help her win the election, Ben just isn't that guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
Losing hurts her progress and gives ammo to those criticizing her. Losing badly makes her look like a pretty face with no substance. There is a lot to lose here, and if you engage in a debate, you need to debate someone you are running against or someone that gives you credibility by simply appearing on the stage with them. Bad example, but debating Trump would be a good move for her for that reason.
It is a good general rule of thumb in politics to not debate or argue or twitter feed down, only up. Debating Ben Shapiro is only good for Ben, and not AOC.
Shapiro debating the kid from the Bronx would be interesting to watch. He would make a complete fool out of her.
Having said that, she should not debate him at all. He's a nobody, just a guy with an opinion. He's not running for anything and is certainly not running against her. She owes him nothing and has nothing to gain by debating him.
She has a town hall with voters (50% immigrants according to her) but she’s banning the press from attending...
Upset quite a few reporters
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Maybe she — or her handlers (if there are any) — are getting a little wiser.Quote:
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Perhaps some of the press need to learn that there are limits to their power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
I'm not demanding anything. She has every right not to do it. No problem with that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
My issue is the way she handled it. It was ridiculous how she acted.
Fair enough. So don’t vote for her.Quote:
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I would never.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
But as I said, she missed a great opportunity to give her message a to a different audience than the one she is in. It truly would've been a win/win for her.
I doubt most here — or elsewhere in the political world — would agree with that assesmentQuote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
As you’ve demonstrated, that audience has largely made up their mind about her with little interest in the message.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
It’s a publicity stunt by a total hack lol
She didn't miss any opportunity you wingnut :laugh:
She's getting plenty of attention. She doesn't need to argue some pipsqueak twink in front of a thousand of his smooth brained followers. She's doing fine. The person that's desperate for attention here is the guy the right is trying so shamelessly to make the "intellectual" tag stick because who else do they have?
How would she have benefited from talking to Shapiro? He is not bound by any standards of truth and reality. The base of his show specifically wants red meat that isn't grounded in reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
Debating Shapiro is a waste of her time.
are the same people that go after President Trump for attacking the press also going to have the same reaction to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez banning press?
just imagine if President Trump banned all press for something. holy **** the left would lose their ****.
Of course not because it’s their girlQuote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
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I love that Trump's supporters have been reduced to being haters and bashers. They have moved from Hillary and Obama to AOC. So that is something.