I think "disdain" is perfectly apt for a lot of people.
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I think "disdain" is perfectly apt for a lot of people.
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Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men
Ok, still not a fair argument imo because then you could say that about any economic policy that you deem more conservative than you’d like. And obviously that shouldn’t be the case.
Who hates poor people?Quote:
Originally Posted by thomass
I certainly don't.
I've tried to explain this several times. I'll try again.
In this area, there are three types of people……
People that actually need help. No problem helping them or extending time, assets , money etc. I do it all the time.
People that want help. Not so sympathetic here.These people need to prove they are making some kind of effort. Many do and eventually improve themselves. Not all
People that expect help. Totally unsympathetic here. Many able bodied people sit around, fill out forms, know all the angles, the ins and outs and get all kinds of help they wouldn't really need if they would put forth some sort of effort. They will be like this for a good portion of their lives…and complain all the way. There are more of these than you realize (or would readily admit to). I could not care what happens to them.
What % of the poor do you think fit into each category?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Your disdain for the poor saps that work for a living and pay for it all is fascinating.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
That and AOC's brilliant creative ideas that include making everything completely paid for by the government.
I was thinking more along the lines of how most people want what’s best for society. To suggest non poor people don’t care about poor people because they support or don’t support whatever policy has always been a straw man argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
You tell me.
I do know, judging by what I have seen, that many, many of what we consider indigent keep making bad decisions that perpetuates the problem. Many perpetuate it to the point of being hopeless. Too many children (avoidable), drug abuse (personal choice), lack of education (avoidable, requires a certain amount of effort.) Crime (personal choice, poor decision)
I always come back to the process of avoiding poverty……
Graduate High School
Get a Job
Get Married
Have Children
Stay with your family.
Many believe that if youy do this in this sequence that your chances of becoming impoverished is reduced drastically
I agree with this formula and it is not that hard.
Sorry. I can't follow this at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomass
Ewwww there's a a lot holes in this agrumentQuote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
None. You do the first four things a week out of high school and stay with your wealthy family after that. Works every timeQuote:
Originally Posted by ewing
It's kinda funny how the state that does the most to "combat" homelessness has BY FAR the biggest issue with homeless people. It's almost like their ****** ideas don't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomass
Almost, but not quite. Other states are sending their homeless to california, Las vegas sends em by the bus loadQuote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
Aaah. You're right. I've re-thought the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
Drop out.
Knock 'er up.
Disappear
Smoke some dope. Hang out.
Fill out some forms and sit back baby.
Let the good times roll in.
Shiiiiet....it's all so simple!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
That route gets a lot of dumb/easily replaceable drones. That’s what some people want.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
It's not a terrible route by any means but it's also not nearly as simple as Sluggo makes it out to be. People that graduate high school, get a job, and get married aren't equal to "dumb/easily replaceable drones".Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
Its a terrible plan. I finish HS, likely get a ****** job, get married, have kids, and then we are all miserable and poor together.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
It might work for a few but it’s not working for most.
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Nah, it's not terrible at all. It's just achingly over-simplified and far from some can't miss plan for success.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
you realize how much children cost... if you want to avoid poverty skip that step.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Well then we’ll leave it at an overall “lack of empathy” which seems central to the conservative social view.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomass
I shouldn’t have said miserable. I’d be miserable but I’d be miserable if I was rich with a family. They will likely be poor though.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
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It's almost like that state has the most people of any state period. Weird how numbers work.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingerbang
It's interesting because we have this idea that college is so overpriced it's not worth it financially and now everyone has turned against it and said you shouldn't go, but all data still points to college graduates earning far more than high school graduates. What's most interesting is a huge predicator on whether your poor or not is your parents education level:
http://www.nccp.org/publications/pub_786.html
So perhaps he should have added a step in there of "get educated" (though that doesn't have to mean college, it means learn a trade or skill).
The reason he, someone who does not live in NYC, cares about this issue is because he thinks making it free will just bring "piss, ****, gangs, and panhandlers". That's the entirety of his politics on this issue. He's not even pretending to care about the finances. He just thinks if you make things free all the gross poors will infest the place. There's no reason for him to care, except for his disdain of poor people.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomass
Open your ears. All poor people are drug addicts or don't want to work. Just graduate HS and get a job. zip a dee doo dahQuote:
Originally Posted by flips333
You're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
This plan……
Graduate High School
Get a Job
Get Married
Have Children
Stay with your family.
Is very complex. How can anyone possible figure it out?
Do you have "L" and "R" written on the inside of your shoes??? Maybe velcro instead of laces on your AJs?.
No plan works 100% for everyone. I'm sure there are Ivy League grads that can't get a job or are on the dole. But it has been fairly well proven that if you……Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
Graduate High School
Get a Job
Get Married
Have Children
Stay with your family.
…then your chances of avoiding poverty are greatly reduced.
Maybe it would help if we can get the climate change "experts" to agree with that formula. Anyone have Jane's phone number???
I didn't say it was a complicated plan. Its simple. It probably wont workQuote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
How does having children or getting married reduce your chances of poverty?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
So what is going on now works???Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
Here's what you don't get………Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powders
Following that simple (or complex, depending on who you are) formula isn't what reduces your chance of poverty. It increases you chance of being a responsible person.
Being a responsible person reduces your chance of living in poverty.
Think it through a little.
A person can be responsible and not be married or have children. Actually, children are a financial burden, much more then way back in the olden days when you had young children. That's what you don't get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Bolded…never said otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powders
Look…that entire concept…
Graduate High School
Get a Job
Get Married
Have Children
Stay with your family.
…deals with personal planning, sensible judgement, accepting responsibility etc.
All qualities that will greatly help one to avoid poverty.
I have 2 kids. All I could afford. I would like to have had more. I see people all the time with numerous kids they can't afford. Then we get into===>SNAP, Food Stamps, Public Assistance, Unemployment, Housing Assistance etc.
What is it that I get that they don't? As many here could attest … I'm not all that bright.
And before you start on how kids sometimes just happen, come up with a medical condition that is easier to avoid than pregnancy.
I don't know about the kids part, but statistically I'm pretty sure Sluggo's right and there is a correlation between graduating High School, getting a job and getting married making you less likely to stay in poverty.
Sounds a lot like common sense doesn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Oops. Can't use common sense here, Sorry.
Well your common sense ended when you added the biggest financial suck into the equation. Also Graduating college is even better than graduating Highschool (And if you graduate college you are more likely to marry someone who will make more money to).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Doing the responsible thing doesn't make you responsible... that's a trait you are coming to the situation with. Do you know anyone who got married simply because it was the "responsible thing to do?" You think that is a marriage that will last?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
You had some common sense. But I don't think you understood why. Education = JOB. Job = Money. Marriage = financial stability in case you lose your job (2 incomes).
So I was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
You don't get it.
See the post above this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
Simple Simon has spoken. Listen up if you want to get anywhere in life, you heathens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1