Who doesn't pay rent other than children and homeless people?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
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Who doesn't pay rent other than children and homeless people?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
Who doesn't pay rent other than children and homeless people?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
Buddy, if they can't afford rent in NYC they either don't live there, are homeless, or a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
Young adults who are saving $ for a down payment? I don't understand why you spam that message as if you're right. You aren't. The only way for an average person in NYC to save money for a down payment is to live with their parents for a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
I don't understand what you are saying at all. There are young adults (aged 21-25) who still live with their parents because they were saving up for a down payment. Buddy, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't buddy me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezekial
I asked the question over and over because it wasn't being answered. The cost of rent is immaterial. Either you are paying for the roof over your head or you are not ... I didn't say they had to pay ALL of the rent. When I moved out of my parents house I was living with 5 other people, but paying the rent is a major step in my mind, and the vast majority of 16 year olds don't pay it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
I want people who vote to have some perspective on real life out in the world and the best gateway I found was paying for the roof over your head.
I kind of like the civil service model. I think it would change peoples perspective if they actually had to ACT for their fellow man rather than just talk about it.
How is it immaterial? Paying for the roof over your head doesn't mean you are capable of making decisions any more than someone who isn't. It just means you chose to live away from your family. Which is why I answered that in the case of NYC, it's not as simple as saying "If you are paying for the roof over your head or not." It's actually more responsible to live with your parents here and save up for a down payment than it is to go out and rent so it completely contradicts your stance as it relates to where I live in. Sure, you can split the cost with five other people.. too bad you can't do that in NYC where rents are $2k for a small 500 sq foot apartment... The only other companion you would be able to have is MAYBE one other person.. even then, it's too tight for the average person. If you can find a place in NYC that can house five people comfortably with their own rooms, you are looking at rent of about $6k easily. If you're fresh outta college, $50k is likely your average salary. Afer taxes, you are bringing in $30k (state/fed/local). That means $12/30k goes to rent. And that is being conservative.. not everyone wants to live with five people. The likely scenario is they live alone paying $2k a month on rent. $18k to pay for food, travel, gifts to families, etc., it completely makes sense to LIVE with your parents these days in NYC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Did you guys catch AOC trying to intimidate Wells Fargo's CEO and then getting rebuked and looks insecure in her statements?
1) Asked why Wells Fargo shouldn't be responsible for the damages caused environmentally by damaging pipelines they "funded."
A) It's almost like saying Wells Fargo should be responsible for your house being torn apart by a Hurricane just because they approved your loan for a mortgage.
B) They weren't even involved in one of the pipelines because it doesn't even exist at the moment.. yet, she claims, irroneously, that they were.
2) Implied Wells Fargo was involved with the caging of childrens when they weren't. It's like you purchase a car using their loan to kidnap children and Wells Fargo was responsible for that. I get it, they were involved in financing prisons.. That's not their responsibility, though. Banks are in it for the money and if the law allows them to fund it, they shouldn't be held responsible for any actions that they aren't aware of being possible.
She totally embarrassed herself on a subject that any young adult should be able to comprehend.. She looked so confident reading off the papers but when it went off-script and she couldn't generate a response, she just skips past it like it's a homework assignment she can hand in the following week. Just absurd. I generally don't care about local politics in my area but I know enough people in my area that have been very upset with her. We might very well try to be more vocal in her next reelection. I don't care if you are young or an alien. You shouldn't be representing millions of people when you are totally ignorant.
The cost of rent is immaterial because if you are not paying any rent then you don't get that pressure that comes with paying or being homeless. If rent is $2k either you find people to split it with or you live somewhere cheaper. It's what everyone does once they become independent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
If you are an adult and live with your parents you should be paying them some portion of the rent. If you are not then you are still being treated as a child.
It's interesting that you think 500sq ft can MAYBE only hold 2 people. I've lived in a 1300 sq ft house with 7 other people and a 750 sq ft house with 5 other people. Maybe some people are just soft.
None of what you said is representative with a whole bunch of people living in expensive cities.. Literally, it's just your assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
1) It's not immaterial at all. The pressure comes from having to live with your parent. No one truly wants that. It's the fact that there are those who choose to live with their parent(s) because they want to save money to purchase their own home in a society where home prices have been increasing astronomically.
2) Find somewhere cheaper? Lol. Have you been to NYC? If you work in the city (which is where the majority of the jobs are), you'll have to take an hour to two hour train ride to find some place cheaper. That's a 2 or 4 hour train ride to live somewhere cheaper. Who has that much time of the day to do that? Hint: Not a lot of people. People who are independent find places where rent is $600 in the midwest. That's completely do-able on minimum wage. Not exactly in big cities. Plus, there is the issue of them also having to be closer to their parents for obvious reasons. You're assuming a lot of things here. What works for YOU does not work for OTHERS so that doesn't give you more of a reason to be able to vote than them.
3) I don't think you read correctly. 500 sq foot between two people is definitely too tight for the average person living in America. Your comparison of it being a 1300 sq foot house with 7 other people isn't even remotely the same because the numbers don't work by averaging out sq foot by people. 1300 sq foot is a lot of space to be able to move to. 500 sq foot, the only thing separating you and someone else is ten steps away. Soft? Oh, so you're tough because you can live with six other people in a 1300 sq foot house (which is literally less people that lived in my house as a child)? Not sure how that relates but sure, you are TOUGH. Go get em, tiger.
Point is, living on your own is a terrible restriction to be able to vote because there are people who live with parents because the city is too expensive for them to live alone if they want to purchase a home or live comfortably and not spend the majority of their $ on rent. They should have a voice, too. I think you said you live in Arizona. Rent there is so cheap compared to NY in general. Why should someone who can pay $500 rent split with other people have more of a voice than someone who chooses to stay with their parents so they can save $ to purchase a home even though they can afford to pay that $2k per month rent?
Nobody said you can't live with your parents and let them foot the bill. I just think that means you don't have the perspective people who do pay for their shelter have.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
And, yes, there are places cheaper to live than NYC. If you don't want to leave that's fine, never said you had to leave.
250sqft per person vs 162sqft per person. It's not about being tough, but NEEDING 500sqft to yourself is soft to me.
All of the adults I know who live or have lived with their parents paid some portion of their parents rent. They got good deals, but never free.
Again, I speak from experience living in NYC my entire life. Maybe over a decade ago, you could find a place to live that is cheaper in NYC but no, if you want a decent job, you will have to work in NYC and considering the traveling, it makes very little sense for someone to have to travel a few hours every day just to get to work. It's inefficient and silly. Rent prices are generally based on economic activity around the area. Yes, you can find cheaper rent. There's also less jobs there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
That perspective is subjective. As I've stated, it's easy to pay $600 for rent and live on your own thinking you rule the world but another situation when that $2,000 per month rent decides whether or not you will ever be able to own a home and also, enjoy life. None of which has anything to do with your capabilities in paying rent.
I never said "need." But it isn't comfortable compared to the average person. Again, I don't know why you're breaking it down to sq ft per person. I own a 600 sq foot apartment (because it was all I could afford as a down payment and I wanted to live independently). I have a roommate who is over 30 years old (yes, she can't afford the majority of places while also trying to save $ to move to Texas). To get to her room from my room, it's ten steps away. Ten. So it has nothing to do with soft.. just telling you that it's not exactly comfortable or ideal.
Okay, they can do that. But there are also parents who want their child to save as much money so they can get out ASAP. Should that child not have an opinion because they want to do what is fiscally as responsible as possible? Your outlier seems to be paying rent makes you more responsible and while somewhat true, it's not true in cities like NYC where for a lot of people, you need to be worried about SAVING so you can pay off student loans, etc., and cost of living is so much higher to where rent is almost off the table unless you want to live forever as a renter.
I never argued that people can't freeload on their parents, merely that doing so means to me they are not as familiar with the responsibility I would want in someone who votes. In looking for a simple test there are always going to be outliers and I'm okay with that. To me, if you don't pay rent/mortgage you are not yet living in the "real world".Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
Is that more of an opinion or do you think it truly is the case with millions of people? Your basis seems to be on responsibility and that alone, while very important, is not enough. Being knowlegdable and informed also matters. No one worked as hard in my family and was more responsible than my mom. But she is quite honestly incapable of making any voting decisions. She literally has no clue but votes every year on various things. We don't even bother talking about politics because it frustrates me so much about how little she knows but continues voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
I pay rent but I don’t think making a payment makes any sense as a condition for voting. It’s rather arbitrary. Especially considering freeloading is the more astute financial plan even though it shouldn’t be as necessary as it is for so many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Though it screams a financial privilege that many don’t have. So people whom do that should also think twice when begrudging social safety nets for the less fortunate.
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It just struck me that age isn't a good marker ... what SIMPLE test can you think of'?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star