Blaming the individual is an excuse. One that's so very often used to give systemic failures a pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
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Blaming the individual is an excuse. One that's so very often used to give systemic failures a pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
I'm gonna ask you the same question I asked valade. What drug currently being advertised is trending towards an addiction epidemic? What drug currently being advertised can be obtained without a prescription? What drug currently being advertised is causing people without disease to take those drugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
It for sure could, depends on the situations and that's why we blame those specific cases (just like blaming actual fake news instead of media as a whole).Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
I also think advertising good drugs to doctors may help people.
The advertising and marketing of products isn't an issue it is the product/doctors pushing it if bad or when unneeded that is the issue again though. It could be good it could be bad it depends on the situation. When the situation is bad that is because of said company/product/doctor, the advertising is just advertising.
You don’t seem to have much faith in individuals being able to exercise personal responsibility when it comes to cigarette commercials.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
I won’t stoop to the level of making a blanket statement about how conservatives are destroying this country, because my points stood on their own. Yours didn’t, hence the shot but not a shot at liberals followed by taking your ball and going home.
And to answer your question, I think there is a strong correlation between advertising for antidepressants and our massive use of them.
If you want to argue the philosophical advertising is neither good nor bad it depends on the use, fine. I’ll bite. I’m saying the advertising in those case in general is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
Antidepressants is a great starter.unfortunatelyy people see themselves as depressional and pray that their bypolar gets handled. Thats what I saw in this specification. And those drugs work through a professional doctor, I'm still not sure of your pointmQuote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Yes I just caught up on other posts and my argument is not that it all falls on the individual here tbh, it is more that the individual is screwed either way by healthcare system/doctors. That system is the true problem. The advertisement is not good or bad, in order to do so it would need to be false/fake and dangerous to people and so on. It depends on the specific advertisements and if they are actively pushing false things but generally promoting a drug that helps some people but not most? Alright welcome to medicine for specific illnesses/diseases/injuries that many people have to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Advertising drugs can be good or bad depending on the following actions/if it is truthful. If I need said drug it might be good to know about but more often than not today you could argue it might be bad sure. The reason for that moreso comes down to how the doctors/system have been handling the entire situation though. Until that system is changed I don't really think the advertising matters, I would guess it is more behind the scenes deals than actual advertising more often than not anyways tbh but that's reaching/without proof so can't get into it.
The key issue is that no matter if it is advertised or not via commercials etc. if the system/doctors are pushing it on patients who don't need it that's always going to be the true problem. If they are doing so simply due to seeing an advertisement I think there is a major problem with how the healthcare industry works anyways lol, that just seems so irrelevant to the real issue to me. It might make it worse but I don't think you should ignore it could also help people either just because of that.
You keep harping on Doctors pushing medication they don’t need on patients but completely discount the opposite scenario. There are plenty of stories where patients come in and demand a specific medication they saw on an Ad to the point where Doctors feel pressured into giving them that medication, particularly antidepressants.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
https://khn.org/news/study-doctors-g...nd-name-drugs/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4151257/
You seem to be under the misguided belief it’s doctors pushing all these medications on patients, to the contrary often times it’s patients pushing these medications on Doctors.
My point is the answer to this question: do you think advertising antidepressants has increased the amount of people on antidepressants or had no effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
Okay, if you read it why are you against the end of the health insurance industry?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
You seem to assume things I never say or actually discount, both happen lol. I have mostly talked about my own personal experiences which come from a certain perspective with real life examples to call from. That doesn't mean I can't acknowledge other people have other experiences too.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Either way it always comes down to the doctor and it is their job. If I go to a doctor and say I want this do it, should they always do it? If you answer yes I guess we have a different view of doctors. If you answer no then... Well they would be responsible for saying no when necessary.
Every good doctor will not surbscribed a meddication that has addidctibe consequences and on that is not right for the patients situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
It's so bad. I went to the ER for a DVT. I was asked multiple times if I need a pain killer an that I don't won't one. I have a dvd, Im sure you can we focus on that. Yeah, but do you need a pain killer. Nope, ive done this before and it turned out what I said it was. Well let's do some evaluation to be certain that you don't need pain killers. Just give me a damn rotosound. I don't need a ****ing painkiller.
It turned out to be exactly what I said it was.
It finally donned on me that they were evaluating if I was an opioid addict or not.
Anyway...good debate fellas. I have to be in the air at 5:40am, so going to bed. We can pick this up tomorrow.
Safe flight and good travelsQuote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
A slightly different slant on the pharma advertising ... drug companies are regularly criticized for the costs of the medication. I large amount of that money is going to pay for advertising. A doctor told me their rep said about 50% of the cost of the "first run" drugs is paying for the advertising to the public and the doctors. They like to say that it's about the R&D, and sure the R&D and the testing is VERY expensive, but it's not that.
It's like the lie the record companies and the movie/TV studios tell about the costs of things. Oh, your record hasn't broken even yet despite selling 1 million copies. Movie's often spend more on advertising than the movie costs, sometimes several times more. It's BS "creative accounting".
Inform doctors of new drugs available ... inform, don't wine, dine, and bribe them. Then it is your doctor's responsibility to prescribe them to you. They are literally putting their name on it and we are acting like the patients are the experts.
Does ANYBODY believe that drugs being advertised LOWERS the cost of health care?
Of course a Doctor shouldn’t acquiesce to any demand for medication a patient has. But if you start to vilify Doctors be careful, less people are going to want to be a Doctor. This isn’t a Doctor problem of prescribing medications patients are demanding, it’s a human nature problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35