NBA Draft/Trades/Free Agency

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Originally Posted by ATL-ALL-DAY

Hope you all enjoy your "Will Suck For Wiggins" shirts and wear them proudly


I'm sorry, I can't respect a team/owners/front office/ or fan base that will lose on purpose


In the words of Herm Edwards "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!"

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I can't stand when people are so small minded that they can't see the big picture here. To thnk that someone in professional sports DOESN'T want to win is absurd! But u can't keep doing the same thing over and over and over and expect a different result. That is foolishness at its best. Putting together a team that "tanks" is about looking at the bigger picture. We put guys out there and give them a full year of NBA experience that they normally wudnt get, speeding up their adaptation to the league... Saving money long term for a chance to sign a big name, and potentially drafting a superstar that wud never be here otherwise. As opposed to throwing together a rag tag group of FA's that may or may not mesh well and who certainly won't be superstars and in this league will be an early exit IF they make the playoffs. For once sir, thnk outside the box.

Having lived through the "suck for Luck" scenario as a dolphins fan, I can tell you all that there is no guarantee that this suck for wiggins campaign ends up well. Instead, getting a few core players like Teague and horford and getting a competitive team out there I believe is the best option. Lots of teams tank, and continue to tank...is rather be a playoff team with some chances to win if things go the right way...

Please don't compare the NFL to the NBA.

Looks like I was wrong about two things: 1) Thought Korver would get a bigger deal than JJ Redick, 2) Thought Korver would get at least $8M or so per year.

I was going to trying to find a nice way to say this but... oh well: Anyone who thinks Korver was overpaid is an idiot, with zero understanding of economics in the NBA. Hawks acquired Kyle via trade exception for $5M, which everyone who is not an idiot agrees was a great deal for us. Kyle outperformed that number this past season, shot 46% from deep, and took on a bigger role after Lou got hurt. Maybe most importantly, he kept saying how much he liked Atlanta and wanted to come back -- in case y'all haven't noticed, we don't hear/read players say that very often about this org. All of that is why IMO he earned that $1M raise. At four years, the number is still low enough to trade if it comes to that in, say, 2 or 3 years, and there will always be a market for great shooters. Good deal for both sides.

Long way to go, but Ferry has yet to hand out a single bad or untradeable contract since Levenson hired him.

I'm not comparing the two leagues, but there is some truth to the fact that trying to tank can lead to a pretty crappy team, that doesn't get much better. Even a top shelf star does not give you enough to compete with the Heat at this point, and Atlanta is hardly a must visit city for the nba players. I look at Cleveland and see what they are doing with Irving as a top pick. They are going to need a lot of draft help and to hit on a few vets to make it work there. We are in the same boat in a lot of ways, and I think Teague and horford are a strong enough base to compete for the playoffs, without a tank job...and if we can get a steal somewhere, maybe then make a deeper run.

For the ones struggling, here's a way for you to 'slot' players for contracts:

$20M - Superstars (Sell out any arena, Franchise players, carry offensive load)
$15M - All Stars (Guys always in the mix for All Star game, can carry some offensive load but better as #2 options)
$10M - Starters (Not All Stars but key starters. Guys who should be #3/#4 options are closer to here like prime Iggy.)
$5M - Rotational guys/Specialists (Shooters like Korver, Bench gunners like Crawford, Defensive Stoppers like Tony Allen, etc).

Obviously everyone can't get double digit millions, that's why you (teams) have to draft well... get cheap labor, guys significantly outperforming their deals. Same for vet minimum for guys near the end of their careers.

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Originally Posted by finyankhawkfan

Atlanta is hardly a must visit city for the nba players

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If you're talking about it in terms of how a player views the Hawks as an opponent, strictly the on-court perception as of this past season, you are correct. But every other way I can think of, I'll disagree.

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Originally Posted by thomass

And do you remember the last "can't-miss kid" that was drafted? His name was Lebron ****ing James.

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Ehhhh, not really. Read the comparison ---> http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-oden

Jefferson to Bobcats. One less player I was in fear of overpaying for. Ellis, Jennings, and Bynum to go.

Dwight Howard would be the only reason to bring back Josh Smith to me as well. No reason to have the same team as last year back if it's just going to be Teague/Korver/Smith/Horford again.

Ferry either thinks Howard is coming, or he has a trade in mind that will be a franchise player, or we rebuild.

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Originally Posted by Bravo95

If you're talking about it in terms of how a player views the Hawks as an opponent, strictly the on-court perception as of this past season, you are correct. But every other way I can think of, I'll disagree.

Ehhhh, not really. Read the comparison ---> http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-oden

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I was just simply pointing out that most teams have to rebuild through the draft. Wiggins just happens to be the best prospect in a long time. I'd be for rebuilding even if Wiggins was not there.

Guys like Ellis and Jefferson are meant for teams that are on the cusp. The hawks at this point in time are not one of those teams. IF we were to get Howard, then I'd be more willing to throw money at one of those players. But if not, then I'm all about the draft.

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Originally Posted by thomass

I was just simply pointing out that most teams have to rebuild through the draft. Wiggins just happens to be the best prospect in a long time. I'd be for rebuilding even if Wiggins was not there.

Guys like Ellis and Jefferson are meant for teams that are on the cusp. The hawks at this point in time are not one of those teams. IF we were to get Howard, then I'd be more willing to throw money at one of those players. But if not, then I'm all about the draft.

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Guys like Monta Ellis are meant for the bench. I didn't put Jefferson in my Top 3 centers available, Charlotte helped us dodge that bullet. I put Splitter ahead of him because of what I figured each guy would be worth as far as the contract. Splitter got $2-3M more (annually) than I anticipated, but he was still a better value than Al Jeff at $14M annually or whatever it is.

We have to nail our draft picks regardless of what happens with Dwight or wherever we pick next draft. The newest CBA restricts the way teams can be built, especially for 'middle-class' teams, which is what I would consider Atlanta. The idea from some Hawks fans that Atlanta Spirit will go over the tax line and stay there to build a contender is... well... ridiculous. We have one of the least wealthy owners(hip groups) in the league and the already-strict penalties are about to get MUCH tougher for teams that consistently remain over the tax line, the richest NBA owners are selling off good players to avoid the repeater tax. This is why I keep saying the Hawks have to build the way Indiana and Memphis did, and that's regardless of what happens with Dwight.

Bottom line: As long as you have controllable assets (whether you sign them or develop them yourself) at the right price, you will be in position to make franchise-changing moves in the future because there will always be stupid/desperate teams willing to take whatever you offer in a trade.

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Originally Posted by Bravo95

Guys like Monta Ellis are meant for the bench. I didn't put Jefferson in my Top 3 centers available, Charlotte helped us dodge that bullet. I put Splitter ahead of him because of what I figured each guy would be worth as far as the contract. Splitter got $2-3M more (annually) than I anticipated, but he was still a better value than Al Jeff at $14M annually or whatever it is.

We have to nail our draft picks regardless of what happens with Dwight or wherever we pick next draft. The newest CBA restricts the way teams can be built, especially for 'middle-class' teams, which is what I would consider Atlanta. The idea from some Hawks fans that Atlanta Spirit will go over the tax line and stay there to build a contender is... well... ridiculous. We have one of the least wealthy owners(hip groups) in the league and the already-strict penalties are about to get MUCH tougher for teams that consistently remain over the tax line, the richest NBA owners are selling off good players to avoid the repeater tax. This is why I keep saying the Hawks have to build the way Indiana and Memphis did, and that's regardless of what happens with Dwight.

Bottom line: As long as you have controllable assets (whether you sign them or develop them yourself) at the right price, you will be in position to make franchise-changing moves in the future because there will always be stupid/desperate teams willing to take whatever you offer in a trade.

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yes I agree with you. and to be honest, I would still not sign any of those guys even if we do get Dwight. I was just trying to appease some of the crazy ****ers on here.

If Howard goes to Houston and insists on them working out a sign and trade for Josh Smith, no way do I accept anything less than Parsons and Asik. Ferry won't sign and trade Smith to the team he just lost Howard out to just for Asik. And if Rockets want Howard happy, they would likely accept. Fans would be angry for Houston's side giving up Parsons but they would have a nice "big 3" to fill the rest of the roster with vets around. We would have a nice, actual front court 3-5 in Parsons/Horford/Asik.

Both DH and Josh to Golden State???

Looks like Warriors trying to bring both DH and Josh in???

Dwight actually said he wants to play with Jose Calderon!? Signing Calderon wud be a lock to get Howard in my mind. If I were the Hawks I'd be all over that