That's strike one, Budenholzer.
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That's strike one, Budenholzer.
The DUI is strike 2 :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bravo95
^Ha.
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1. Andrew Wiggins 6-8 200 SF Kansas Fr.
2. Jabari Parker 6-8 235 SF Duke Fr.
3. Marcus Smart 6-4 220 PG Oklahoma State So.
4. Julius Randle 6-9 250 SF/PF Kentucky Fr.
5. +2 Dante Exum 6-6 188 PG/SG Australia 1995
6. +8 Wayne Selden 6-5 230 SG/SF Kansas Fr.
7. -2 Willie Cauley-Stein 7-0 244 C Kentucky So.
8. +3 Joel Embiid 7-0 250 C Kansas Fr.
9. -3 Semaj Christon 6-3 190 PG Xavier So.
10. -2 Glenn Robinson III 6-6 215 SF Michigan So.
11. -2 Gary Harris 6-4 210 SG Michigan St. So.
12. James Young 6-6 215 SG Kentucky Fr.
13. +4 Mario Hezonja 6-7 195 SG FC Barcelona 1995
14. -4 Andrew Harrison 6-5 215 PG/SG Kentucky Fr.
15. +1 Jerami Grant 6-8 210 SF Syracuse So.
16. +6 Doug McDermott 6-7 225 SF Creighton Sr.
17. +2 Dario Saric 6-10 225 SF/PF Cibona Zagreb 1994
18. +23 Perry Ellis 6-8 225 SF/PF Kansas So.
19. +6 Aaron Gordon 6-8 225 SF/PF Arizona Fr.
20. +1 AJ Hammons 7-0 251 C Purdue So.
21. -8 Kaleb Tarczewski 7-0 250 C Arizona So.
22. +1 Mitch McGary 6-10 266 PF/C Michigan So.
23. -8 James McAdoo 6-9 230 SF/PF North Carolina Jr.
24. -6 Noah Vonleh 6-10 240 SF/PF Indiana Fr.
25. +5 Adreian Payne 6-10 240 PF/C Michigan St. Sr.
26. +11 LaQuinton Ross 6-7 220 SF Ohio State Jr.
27. -1 Chris Walker 6-9 215 PF Florida Fr.
28. -1 Ondrej Balvin 7-2 280 C Cajasol Sevilla 1992
29. +45 Cory Jefferson 6-9 230 PF Baylor Sr.
30. -1 Juvonte Reddic 6-9 250 PF VCU Sr.
31. +70 Kristaps Porzingis 7-0 215 PF/C Cajasol Sevilla 1995
32. +38 Montrezl Harrell 6-8 235 PF Louisville So.
33. -1 Chris Obekpa 6-9 240 PF/C St. Johns So.
34. -10 Rasheed Sulaimon 6-4 190 PG/SG Duke So.
35. -1 CJ Fair 6-7 225 SF Syracuse Sr.
36. -1 Isaiah Austin 7-1 215 PF/C Baylor So.
37. +2 Alex Poythress 6-8 239 SF/PF Kentucky So.
38. -7 Rodney Hood 6-8 215 SF Duke So.
39. -19 Spencer Dinwiddie 6-5 200 PG/SG Colorado Jr.
40. -2 Marcus Lee 6-10 215 PF/C Kentucky Fr.
41. +60 Zach LaVine 6-5 180 PG/SG UCLA Fr.
42. +59 Alec Brown 7-1 235 C Wisconsin Green Bay Sr.
43. +58 Vasilje Micic 6-5 200 PG/SG Mega Vizura 1994
44. -16 Jahii Carson 5-11 180 PG Arizona St. So.
45. Sam Dekker 6-7 220 SF Wisconsin So.
46. +1 Aaron Harrison 6-5 218 SG Kentucky Fr.
47. -5 Tyrone Wallace 6-4 186 PG/SG California So.
48. -12 Olivier Hanlan 6-3 185 PG Boston College So.
49. -16 Elfrid Payton 6-3 170 PG Louisiana Lafayette Jr.
50. -2 CJ Wilcox 6-5 195 SG Washington Sr.
51. -2 Jordan McRae 6-5 175 SG Tennessee Sr.
52. -8 DeAndre Daniels 6-8 195 SF UConn Jr.
53. -1 Jarnell Stokes 6-8 260 PF Tennessee Jr.
54. +5 Jordan Adams 6-5 220 SG/SF UCLA So.
55. -2 Dwight Powell 6-10 235 PF Stanford Sr.
56. +4 PJ Hairston 6-5 220 SG/SF North Carolina Jr.
57. -2 Markel Brown 6-3 190 SG Oklahoma State Sr.
58. -1 Kendall Williams 6-3 180 PG New Mexico Sr.
59. -1 Kris Dunn 6-3 197 PG/SG Providence So.
60. +9 Robert Upshaw 7-0 260 C Washington So.
61. +10 Johnny O'Bryant 6-9 256 PF/C LSU Jr.
62. +1 Khem Birch 6-8 220 PF/C UNLV Jr.
63. -17 TJ Warren 6-8 225 SF/PF NC State So.
64. +37 Jordan Clarkson 6-5 195 PG/SG Missouri Jr.
65. -11 Sam Thompson 6-7 200 SF Ohio State Jr.
66. -1 Branden Dawson 6-6 230 SF Michigan St. Jr.
67. -1 Keith Appling 6-1 190 PG Michigan St. Sr.
68. -1 Joel James 6-10 280 PF/C North Carolina So.
69. +10 Prince Ibeh 6-10 250 PF/C Texas So.
70. -27 Kyle Anderson 6-9 230 SF UCLA So.
71. -15 LeBryan Nash 6-7 235 SF Oklahoma State Jr.
72. +18 Russ Smith 6-0 165 PG/SG Louisville Sr.
73. Patric Young 6-8 240 PF Florida Sr.
74. -34 Eric Moreland 6-10 218 PF Oregon St. Jr.
75. -11 Jerian Grant 6-5 203 PG/SG Notre Dame Jr.
76. -1 Jake Layman 6-8 205 SF Maryland So.
77. +5 Dominic Artis 6-1 185 PG Oregon So.
78. -2 Austin Hollins 6-4 185 SG Minnesota Sr.
79. +7 Brandon Ashley 6-8 220 PF Arizona So.
80. +7 Jarell Martin 6-9 241 PF LSU Fr.
81. -4 Roscoe Smith 6-8 215 SF/PF UNLV Jr.
82. -4 Dez Wells 6-5 215 SG/SF Maryland Jr.
83. +8 Cleanthony Early 6-7 210 SF Wichita State Sr.
84. +17 Piotr Niedzwiedzki 6-11 230 PF Kotwica 1993
85. -17 Shabazz Napier 6-1 185 PG UConn Sr.
86. -5 Deonte Burton 6-1 190 PG Nevada Sr.
87. +1 JaKarr Sampson 6-7 208 SF St. Johns So.
88. -4 Bryce Dejean-Jones 6-5 200 SG UNLV Jr.
89. -17 Michael Cobbins 6-8 230 PF Oklahoma State Jr.
90. -5 Nick Johnson 6-3 200 SG Arizona Jr.
91. -2 Chane Behanan 6-6 250 PF Louisville Jr.
92. Jelan Kendrick 6-6 210 SG/SF UNLV Jr.
93. Rasmus Larsen 7-0 220 PF/C Manresa 1994
94. Treveon Graham 6-5 220 SG VCU Jr.
95. Kasey Hill 6-1 181 PG Florida Fr.
96. -34 Jamil Wilson 6-7 225 SF Marquette Sr.
97. -46 Chris Jones 5-10 175 PG Louisville Jr.
98. -1 Kuran Iverson 6-9 209 SF Memphis Fr.
99. -1 Josh Huestis 6-7 230 SF Stanford Sr.
100. -1 Tashawn Thomas 6-8 215 PF Houston Jr.
^ I predict James Young will be a top 5 pick, and the second Kentucky player selected.
Yeah, to be honest I wasn't too impressed with Cauley-Stein last year, wouldn't surprise me if more UK kids jump over him. This could be the most entertaining CBB season in a long time -- realigment and big names with a lot to prove.
Bravo95 you may just have the best sig on this site.
Question for the forum:
Any reasonable Hawk's fan understands that this squad isn't going anywhere. As bad as the east is right now, I'm afraid that this squad might mess around and win too many games, which would keep the franchise from being real players in this year's lottery.
Do you guys want to see this team fight for the playoffs or focus more on using it's assets to accumulate pieces designed to rebuild for the future, while tanking the season?
As long as Nets suck, we could swap picks right?
I think so, but at some point they'll get it together or Kidd will be fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*
It would be hilarious for everyone to get what they want though and it is possible. Hawks make the play-offs and end up with the number one pick, while not winning as many games than they did last year. Hilarious, everyone of us would be right to some degree. Rotflmao!
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Originally Posted by SB75
Very close loss........
I'm talking to a friend in the gym yesterday and he seems to think if Atlanta does land the number one pick in the draft, they should draft Parker over Wiggins. While I wouldn't dissagree Parker is the more polished player to this point, I also think Wiggins isn't asked to do as much and has more upside. ebay do you guys think?
I always thought Parker would be our pick anyways, due to the Duke factor with Ferry being a main reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by SB75
That's an interesting angle that slipped my mind. If the Hawks end up with #1, it's going to be awfully hard to pass up Wiggins though, even with the Duke connection. Hard to pass up a guy that has been considered #1 for his entire jr and sr year of high school and still considered the number 1 pick even with the numbers Parker is putting up.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*
Do you like Parker better? If so, why?
I like Randle better, being an obvious Wildcat homer, but as of now it would be hard to choose between Parker/Wiggins. I just know I would love to have a chance to draft any of these 3. It could not only change the team around on the court for the next decade, but also could finally bring in that "star" to attract people to actually come to the games, as well as someone to market the team around (which could help them on the court, not saying the game is rigged but obviously it helps).Quote:
Originally Posted by SB75
Parker has been better offensively (in terms of shot selection, pretty much can score from anywhere, Melo comparisons seem correct so far, but it's college and Melo does it in the NBA), Wiggins is such a question mark to me, as I know he has been hyped up as the next great star, but I just haven't seen it yet (watching UK a lot I have been impressed with Randle, and also Young while we are at it, same goes for the Duke games I have seen with Parker). I'm curious to see if Wiggins can get his weight up quickly (last I saw he was at 200, Durant is 240 BTW for comparison) and how well he can shoot the ball from mid-range to 3 point.
I'll be clear though, I would be as happy with picking #3 as I would picking #1 because I believe Wiggins, Parker, and Randle can all be our franchise guy and improve our chances of being a title contender heading into the future.
The way the Hawks are constructed, they won't have a chance at Parker/Wiggins/Randle. Although this team is far from being world-beaters, the east is putrid and "Operation Tank" is only going to become more apparent as the season goes on. I will reserve judgment on Ferry until after the trade deadline. Personally, I would cash-in on Milsap's current value and bring back some assets that can be part of the foundation for the future..
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Fix It: Atlanta Hawks
By: Haven Kaplan-Miner
Dec 05, 2013 5:23 PM EST
- “Fix It” is a series that shows how each NBA team has the potential to improve, focusing on how team success can be built over the long-term instead of simply year over year. The ultimate goal is to create a team capable of winning consistently for a decade.
The Atlanta Hawks are possibly the worst nightmare for an NBA general manager; an average team with poor attendance – they have finished in the bottom 10 for attendance in 12 of the past 13 seasons – that goes to the playoffs but cannot elevate into contention. While the team is currently on a seven-year streak of making the playoffs, they’re also on a 54-year streak of not winning an NBA championship (second longest in the NBA). This has been due mostly to poor choices in the draft (Marvin Williams over Chris Paul, Shelden Williams in 2006) and an inability to break out of their cycle of mediocrity in the playoffs.
The Good: Danny Ferry. Having served as the Vice President of Basketball Operations for the San Antonio Spurs, Ferry has seen first-hand how signing previously incorrectly utilized players to fit your system can benefit a team. So rather than signing a bunch of players to one-year contracts like the Los Angeles Lakers, Ferry focused on signing players who will help out his team both as better fits for their system and as trade assets. Great examples are the contracts of Kyle Korver (four years, $24M) and Paul Millsap (two years, $19M). Each signed a reasonable contract that keeps them as a viable asset if a deal comes along. While for the time being this team will continue the trend of mediocrity, they have enough tradable assets that they could potentially be the Houston Rockets of the East, ready to pounce on a James Harden or Dwight Howard type of deal.
The Bad: Mediocrity doesn’t pay. This team has only drafted three All-Stars in franchise history…three. Without bottoming out, this probably won’t change anytime soon. So while late first-round pick Dennis Schroeder has an immense amount of promise, the likelihood that he becomes Rajon Rondo is slim, leaving this roster with only one real cornerstone in Al Horford. Without another star (or two) to pair Horford with, this team is going to continue to go nowhere. They also appear headed for another bottom 10 finish in attendance (currently 26th).
The Fix: Stay the course. Continue handpicking players that fit your team in free agency, trades, and the draft. Ferry has stocked up his own picks, along with three extra second round picks from the Brooklyn and Miami as well as the right to swap first-round picks with Brooklyn in 2014. Additionally, the Hawks have six expiring contracts this season that could allow them to be a trade partner to a team trying to shed a salary, landing them a quality player prior to the trade deadline.
An interesting twist that I have forgotten about was Atlanta's ability to swap picks with the Nets for the next two years. Adding a wing piece for some expiring and future picks the Hawks can add someone who maybe able to make them a Spurs light. What jogged my memory was Bill Simmons article about the woeful East heres the link: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...e-nba-e-league
As I said above, we can swap picks with the Nets, who are looking like a lottery team. I would be excited even if we can draft James Young.Quote:
Originally Posted by SluggeR
The Nets really wanted Joe. Not only do we have the right to swap picks in the 2014 draft, but as well as the 2015 draft. So if Nets stay lottery bound this year, they might as well stay there in 2015. We could have the chance to be in the lottery the next 2 years and still continue our growth as a team (imagine picking top 5 in the next 2 drafts while keeping our playoff core of Teague/Horford/Korver/Millsap/Williams). Ferry is the man.
The Nets is screwed though, as we have the right to switch in 2014 and 2015, our pick in 2014 if we switch goes to Boston, then in 2016 and 2018, the pick goes to Boston. Boston also has the right to switch with Nets in 2017. Nets, if they can't get this roster to come together, is going to be in the bottom of the league for a long time (while we can enjoy drafting someone like a Parker/Wiggins/Randle/Young and doing it again in 2015).
The east is too bad for the nets to continue to lose at the clip they are now. As much as I'm not a fan of the nets, I don't see them losing enough to be a lottery team. I'm still hoping the Hawks cash-in on their current assets (Milsap & Korver) they have and begin "operation lottery pick"..
I'm happy with what I have seen from the new coach. The way he ahs the team playing offensively, is the way I wished the would have played when they had Horford/Smith/Marvin/Joe/Teague. If that squad had the coach that's in place now, no doubt in my mind the Hawks would have reached the conference finals at least once..
Hawks just signed Millsap, he's not getting traded that quick, especially when we're winning. The thing about sports is they you play to win, not lose for a draft pick. That's just pathetic. I'd rather take our chances of acquiring a SF like Thaddeus Young, then hoping the Nets lose some more.
^ Well looks like we will have a lottery pick now.
:cheers: Everybody wins! Except the Nets......... Rumor has it Parker may stay more than one year.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*
Would you guys be interested in trading Al Horford for two 1st round picks in the 2014 draft? Just seems like the Hawks need so many positions that trading Horford for two 1st round picks in the deepest draft in a decade would be smart.
MKG said the same thing (wanted to stay all 4 years). I doubt he will still feel that way come April. But I might just be saying this because I want Parker to be our pick (that we get from the Nets). :) We need a star, a wing player, and a guy who can take over games on offense. Parker checks out for all 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by SB75
IDK....... I still think Wiggins will be the better player at the end of the day and has faced better competition than Parker at this point. However I do agree Parker is more polished and may change his mind. It's like the LBJ/Melon debate back when they came out. There where some who wanted Melo over LBJ for the same reasons you list of Parker. It's also ironic that Wiggins has been compared to LBJ ( unfairly I might add) and Parker to Melon (. ost accurate, I might add. Parker looks more athletic, imho). We know who ended up being the better player.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*
If Ferry is lucky enough to end up with #1 from Brooklyn, he will get to see them face off one on one in pre draft work outs so he should make the right call. We also have anarchy madness to look forward to with each of them facing somewhat even competition.
I would be excited with either one. We just need a star player sadly in this league, both on court and bringing in the fans.
Gotta calm the expectations. Even if we did end up with one of those players, it's unrealistic to expect them to just come in and propel us into championship/contender mode. For every LBJ/DWADE/Melo, there's Oden/Marvin Williams/ Antony Bennett.
No doubt..... I'd be happy with Wiggins, Parker, Randle, or the kid from over sea's.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*
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Originally Posted by westside
I don't think we need to calm expectations, because I don't think any of us are expecting them to step in and be great. There are flops we all know that. Marv doesn't have any where near the talent Wiggins or Parker posses and it is unfair to Oden because he has always been hurt. I get the point you are trying to make, but I don't think it applies to what we as the majority of Hawks fans expect these kids to come in and do.
Now if they exceed our expectations, hats off to them. What do you think about Dante Exum?
Big, Fat, NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by 7secondsORless
Im not that big on college basketball. I just don't want a kid to come in here with unfair expectations, and don't pan out as we hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by SB75
I know for sure if we don't acquire anyone via trade, we need to draft a SF.
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Originally Posted by 7secondsORless
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Big, Fat, NO!
Al is injured right now, so it would be strange to see a trade go down. However stranger things have happened. As far as the off-season, while others don't want to see it happen, I could see it happening in the right scenario.
hypothetically....
If Atl ends up with number 1 and decide to go Wiggins or Parker and a team like Mil ends up with the number 5 pick...... If you go with conventional wisdom, Wiggins, Parker, Randale, and Smart go in the top 4 no matter what the order. With mil sitting at 5 they have the opportunity to draft Joel Embiid or Dante Exum. Mil already has Sanders and Henderson (who they seem to really like) at center and they are not exactly a big city so it might be hard for a kid like Exum to fit in. If you are the Hawks and you truly think Exum is the second coming of Penny Hardaway ( who he is being compared to) or Embiid is the defensive center they have craved since Mutumbo departed, I would think they would consider that strongly if Mil parted with Giannis ( who the Hawks where said to have heavy interest in last draft) as part of the package for Horford.
On another note...... I think Parker ends up a 4 and not a 3, in the mold of Derrick Coleman. And that ain't bad at all. Coleman was a beast before he got lazy. I say that because scouts have said things about his lateral quickness and it's not hard to see he's not that quick defensively laterally. He's also already 6'8/6'9 and 240+ pounds. Add the 10-15 pounds of muscle he'll likely add over the years to play in the NBA and there are not to many 250+ pound 3's (LBJ excluded). Still worthy of a very high pick and possibly #1, I just don't think he'll be the 3 some are predicting.
My personal list for the Hawks lotto pick.....
Wiggins
Parker
Randale
Exum
Embiid
In that order. I know some will say no Smart? But to me he may be the biggest risk. Not really quick enough to guard one's and not tall enough to guard two's. He's being compared to Wade a lot and that good for him considering Wade had the same knocks on him when he entered the draft. However that is a huge risk to take in this draft.
What would you guys ask in return for Horford, Korver and Schroeder??
Would McGee, Foye, A.Miller(non guaranteed contract next year), Hamilton and 2014th pick do it?
Our team and future would be trash if we made that trade, unless that pick ended up being #1 overall. Giving up our best player in Horford, a fan fav in Korver, and a developing/promising rookie PG for....I'm trying to figure out how this makes us better.
I know that wouldn't, that's why i asked what would you ask for...
Not sure. Trading Horford and Korver means we are wiping away our team and fully rebuilding. But, giving up Schroder at the same time would take our only future hopeful away as well. So it kind of takes away our current team and future to completely start from scratch. Would be a weird position to be in, without having a top 3 pick in the next draft or some type of hope for the future.
Is it time to make a move for the Hawks? Just a thought?
Depends on Ferry. I'd say go for the draft since Horford is out for the season, but that means giving up Teague/Korver/Millsap, and that would be pretty much the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cord916