Win did I say he was worth 20 wins? He's not the only good player we lost. Please don't put words in my mouth.Quote:
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Win did I say he was worth 20 wins? He's not the only good player we lost. Please don't put words in my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by westside
Correct me if I'm wrong but they'll replace Harris with a healthy Lou and an improved Jenkins, replace Ivan with Brand and zaza with rookies, Scott, and Brand. I don't see any downgrades. Maybe zaza but not by much.Quote:
Originally Posted by SB75
Teague and Schroder will hold down the PG position.
Jenkins, Lou, and Korver are the shooters. Need more defense here, hoping Carroll can bring that.
Horford, Millsap, Brand, Scott, and Muscala at the 4-5 positions.
This will be a better team to me. I just hope Dennis beats Teague out sometime this season and we could package him with Millsap maybe for an upgrade at SF or C.
My complaint is we have no wing defenders and no size. we are not playoff bound guys the east looks like this.
Miami
Brooklyn
new york
chicago
indiana
Detroit
washington
Milwaukee
cleveland/and maybe ATL
and thats if boston doesn't due better than us we are definently not a playoff team
We don't have size nor a certified scorer not one Al might be 16 and 10 who else milsap might be 12 or 13 points a game please who else will be able to score and with such a small team teams will easly out man us.
I'm sorry guys but it doesnt look good this is a tank team. We realy don't have a chance, and we will not be on tv
Who are we better than in this list?
While I like Lou's offense he can'y replace Devin defensively and that will be this teams biggest challenge, Defense. Add to it that Lou added to this teams win total for a half a season already, so that is not a trade off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle55
I like John ad well and I hope he has improved, but none of us know that after a few summer games.
At this point in his career, IDK what Brand is going to give you on the floor. His true value Imho will come in leadership in practice, off the court, and in the huddle. He can not replace Ivan's hustle and athleticism.
We have not replaced Zaza yet and Milap can't replace Smith defensively, offense either.
Now we do imo have a more coachable team as of now and I do think Bud will be better than Drew.
This Hawks team isn't as of today better than last years....... Even with all the teams that will tank this year, I'll bet you thus team won't win as many as last year barring a major acquistion.
Milwaukee easily, Washington, maybe Cleveland if bynum isn't healthy, probably Detroit unless they find a pg.Quote:
Originally Posted by afrazier9
But I do agree with you on the wing defender concern. Really would like to see a deal for someone like afflalo.
Schroeder or a 2014 pick for Afflalo. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle55
Yeah we want be able to hold water if we don't have a wing defender. I just feel like some of the moves were needless I would have preferred hansbourgh, brewer, and maybe still milsap but a young athletic defensive team what we should have spent are money on. Not old has beens not even a big man we stock pile PF like bombs we suck at building it's crazy. There's nothing to even think will make the playoffs
Depends on the protection on the pick but I'd love to see afflalo on this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5ass
Haven't watched the Summer League game yet, but Mike Scott scored 27 tonight. 13-13 from the ft line.
Can Scott play sf?
No he's not athletic enough and he can't handle the ball but in a pinch yeah
He's a 3-4 tweener imo
No way of that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5ass
What FA Ferry signed this offseason, do yall think will bring back the best "haul" at or before the trading deadline?
I think I read in this forum where folks were debating whether the Hawks are a playoff and I think people were debating whether they will be better than last year. Only one of those topics should be dignified with a response. There are only eight playoff spots of course and the top five are spoken for..
NYK
NETS
CHI
IND
MIA
That leaves three spots for the rest of the Eastern Conference teams..
Jeff TeagueQuote:
Originally Posted by SluggeR
^^^Really, think ferry gonna trade him that quick and give the keys to the team to a teenager..interesting.
He will be 20 by the deadline. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SluggeR
Doesn't matter. I've watched all the summer leQuote:
Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*
ague games, and while Dennis is talented, he needs some guidance and developing. Its one thing to do it in summer league, another to do it vs Nba Vets. Dennis needs a lot of Growth. He will do fine as a 3rd PG for now, although i think he will end up ahead of Mack in training camp. As Teague backup, he will learn and
get better.
I wanted Camby years ago, when he was still at the top of his game. I wouldn't mind picking him up now, this team needs a true center ("glue move"). ATL probably has one of the shortest frontcourts in the game today. He wouldn't have to log major minutes. He could easily come in and rotate playing next to Horford & Sap. I think he would be a good mentor for Lucas as well. I'm not sure if Camby would sign with a noncontender at this point of his career though. If not Camby, I would definitely sign Mozgov..
http://www.talkbasket.net/7929-decis...anikolaou.html
Can anyone back this up? Any thoughts/info on this guy?
So Teague gets matched (called it), signed Brand (overpay but I understand), and Nog & "Shredder" are the darlings of Summer League.
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...717/daily-dime
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First Look: Lucas Nogueira
By Kevin Pelton | ESPN.com
The second thing you notice about Lucas Nogueira, after his hair, is his long arms. Nogueira's 7-foot-6 wingspan is the centerpiece for nearly everything positive he does. Because he's so long, Nogueira can simply reach over opposing players to secure offensive rebounds and putbacks. Defensively, his arms give him immense shot-blocking potential, though he still must determine when to challenge shots and when to hang back and box out. His aggressiveness is a big reason Nogueira struggles on the defensive glass. He's also gotten pushed around at times in Vegas and will have to add strength to compete against NBA opponents, which is to be expected from a player who doesn't turn 21 until next week.
I like what I've heard about both. Those worried about Nog's weight (or lack thereof) should remember Joakim Noah weighed around 225-230lbs when he entered the 2007 draft, has stayed relatively close to there, and can defend pretty much any big in the league. Same goes for Larry Sanders. It's a tough call for Nog but he has time on his side, I think I'd keep him over here to add weight/strength even if he doesn't play much this upcoming season.Quote:
Dennis Schroeder A Refreshing Summer Find
By Danny Nowell | TrueHoop Network
LAS VEGAS -- There is a certain player type that tends to make waves at summer league. Let's put it plainly: gunners.
Whether fringe veterans relishing the opportunity to let fly at will or young lottery picks showcasing their ability to light it up, players who have the ball in their hands the most tend to garner the most highlights in Vegas. All of which makes Atlanta's Dennis Schroeder something of a surprise.
Most viewers wouldn't begrudge a 19-year-old first-round point guard his green light; the willingness to miss shots a player might be counted on to hit during the season can be a developmental positive. But if Schroeder has the go-ahead, he's choosing instead to showcase his prudence and ability to control a game on relatively few shots.
On Wednesday, the German guard was the best player on the floor during the Hawks' overtime loss to the Blazers, but he shot 4-for-11 from the field. It's the way he pins defenders to his hips, the way he pulls fellow rookie Lucas Nogueira by the waistband during timeouts and his insistence on setting up his teammates that set Schroeder apart. Where others see a need to prove they belong as scorers, Schroeder is building his reputation by filling in the gaps.
Don't let the steals-and-assists-heavy stat lines fool you, though. While Schroeder might not seek to punish the rim out of every pick-and-roll, he possesses jets and a handle that will make him a tough cover for years. On the final play of regulation Wednesday, Schroeder juked C.J. McCollum so viciously that the audience stood and gasped as Schroeder threaded a pass to a wide-open John Jenkins. Jenkins missed the shot, but the point was made: He might not look like what you would expect, but Dennis Schroeder does not blend into a crowd.
Yea, i don't think these two will be another wasted foreign draft pick. I saw the move Dennis put on McCollum, he took him to the floor. Cj had to put his hand down to keep from falling. They have grown with each summer game. Lucas should gain around 25-40 pounds to be a successful big man. Then as he gets older, the weight will come, naturally as he fills it his frameQuote:
Originally Posted by Bravo95
Our picks look good. Very excited about the future for Dennis. If he is brought over to play this year, I would like to see him as the back up with Mack being the third pg. I don't want to see development time wasted as it was with Jeff.
Yes I agree no need to send either over seas let them learn by playing here its nit like there going to have to start. Let them play and just let it be what it will be atleast u can see if this was a good draft and what u will need next year. We will suck but it's to late to cry over spilled milk u still got to get it up. GO HAWKS
I didn't see that, hate I missed it. Gonna make me like him even more now.Quote:
Originally Posted by westside
They are young and small as in body but they are going to be ok if you develop them the right way. Don't send them back you drafted them now show why you thought they were the ones. Feed them weight room the whole 9yds give them some of that southern cooking and watch the blow up baby. GO HAWKS
I think it's a less than 5% chance either one of them are stashed overseas. If I had to pic one, it would be L. Nog (because of how slight he is). The sooner they get acclimated over here the better, so I don't see either being stashed overseas..
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...oder-at-no-17/
He's gonna be a nightmare for Teague head to head in practice, looking forward to those reports when they open camp. Hopefully both use those battles to improve weak areas of their game.Quote:
Hawks may have steal of draft with Dennis Schroder at No. 17
Kurt Helin Jul 22, 2013, 8:43 AM EDT
It is dangerous to read too much into an NBA Summer League performance — remember a year ago the co-MVPs were Damian Lillard and Josh Selby. They went on to have radically different NBA seasons.
But the one guy in Las Vegas who leapt out to me as a potential steal of a pick was 19-year-old German point guard Dennis Schroder of the Hawks, who was drafted at No. 17.
In the helter-skelter, pick-up style of the NBA Summer League Schroder showed a mature game, a patient and unhurried style that stood out — especially since he was one of the youngest players there.
“I think part of that is having experience playing in Europe,” Hawks Summer League coach Quin Snyder said of Schroder, who played two seasons professionally in Germany before entering the draft. “He was living the professional life in a lot of ways… the competition he’s playing with — he’s playing against men, players that have played professionally for eight, nine, 10 years some of them. When you see him play his game reflects that at some level.”
The thing that grabbed you first about Schroder was his defense — he got down in a low crouch and pressured the ball. Again he was mature, he wasn’t gambling he was counting on his quick feet and ridiculous wingspan to take away what the ball handler wanted to do. At 19 he was the best defensive point guard in Las Vegas.
“He’s got the quickness and the length to be very good on the ball,” Snyder told ProBasketballTalk. “I think the thing that stood out for us is that it’s very difficult to screen him. He gambles a little bit, but for the most part he’s just impacting the game by consistently applying pressure.
“Maybe the biggest is his ability to not be screened in the pick-and-roll. Pick-and-roll defense is an important thing.”
There were ups and downs over the course of Schroder’s play in Vegas — he shot just 34 percent overall and 29 percent from three, and while he dished out 5.6 assists a game he also had 3.4 turnovers. He showed a great feel for the game, but everything was not smooth. He was adjusting to the NBA game.
“I think everybody’s athletic here in America, in Germany it was a little bit different,” Schroder said.
“I know some of the things coach (Mike Budenholzer) has challenged him on, he can continue to shoot the ball, his focus on the court and really maintaining it, having an even keel mentally and really keeping his poise. Some of those things you just don’t work on on your own, you need to play, and I think the more he plays that will be good for him.
“He was in the gym while we were in Vegas working on his shot, so some of those things he needs to do to evolve as a player we’re going to see more as his competition increases.”
Schroder lands in a good spot in Atlanta — Jeff Teague is back as the starter and will get the bulk of the minutes, with Lou Williams coming off the bench and wanting the ball in his hands also. Shelvin Mack is also on the roster.
But what Schroder showed in Vegas was a guy ready to get some NBA minutes — he can come in off the bench, play good defense, set up some teammates and start to get a feel for the NBA game.
Watching him, I saw what could well be a quality NBA point guard down the line, a guy who can start and lead a team on both ends if he develops.
And that would be a real steal at No. 17.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ything-between
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NBA Offseason Moves: Who Won?
Assessing the clear winners, the sort-of winners, the legion of tankers, and everything in between
By Zach Lowe on July 23, 2013
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Winners, With Caveats
Atlanta Hawks
On the surface, the Hawks and Mavericks appear to have had similar offseasons. Both inked several secondary players to contracts of varying lengths after striking out with the big-name free agents, all while maintaining major flexibility for next summer and beyond. The difference: Atlanta signed good players (mostly) on the right side of the aging curve at great prices. Jeff Teague will make only about $1 million more per season on average than Jose Calderon over their respective four-year deals; Calderon is almost 32 and it's been years since he was able to guard anyone or get into the lane. Teague just turned 25 and still has some upside. Kyle Korver might be "too old" for a four-year deal at 32, but the value of his contract declines each season, and he brings the one skill — shooting — that ages better than any other. And I have no idea how Danny Ferry brainwashed Paul Millsap into accepting a two-year, $19 million deal.
Didn't know the Hawks were in the "running" for Oden..
I didn't either, but this whole offseason was a surprise to me. I would not have called one of the free agants they signed. I just hope we don't get imbarassad every night, and loose whats left of are fan base. Well atleast we want get but ravaged on TV this year we want have one game with this line up of players. GO HAWKS
Bleacher reportQuote:
1. Dennis Schroeder
Team: Atlanta Hawks
Position: PG
Draft Pick: No. 17
Summer League Stats: 10.8 points, 1.8 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 1.6 steals
Could we be looking at the NBA's next great point guard?
Dennis Schroeder drew some comparisons to Rajon Rondo heading into the 2013 NBA draft, and he lived up to them throughout the Atlanta Hawks' Summer League schedule. His passing was phenomenal, giving the German floor general complete control over the action whenever the ball was in his hands.
In fact, only Dwight Buycks averaged more assists per game in Orlando.
With his court vision, finishing ability and ridiculously quick first step, Schroeder excelled in pick-and-roll sets. He was able to score if the defense didn't collapse, and his passes found their targets whenever it did. Take a look at the plays starting at 0:16 and 0:46 to see what I mean.
There should no longer be any doubts about Schroeder's NBA readiness, as he looks fully capable of challenging Jeff Teague for minutes in the Hawks backcourt. He was only getting better as a scorer as Summer League progressed.
In fact, it's already time to give him a nickname.
How about "Nintendo?" It's a play off both his name (think about it, since his initials are DS) and his video-game quickness.
Let's make it stick.
Bleacherreport.com is predicting the Hawks at 33-49.... That's 3 more wins than I'm giving them, but still in the same ball park. Bottom line they are predicting us to miss the play-off's and I think we will.
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For the past few seasons, the Atlanta Hawks have been a middle-of-the-pack playoff team. Mired in mediocrity, they weren’t getting any better, nor were they getting worse.
Sometimes, a step back must be taken before moving forward.
General manager Danny Ferry began the groundwork for a rebuild last summer when he traded away Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams. This summer, the addition of a new coaching staff and at least six new players has accelerated the rebuilding process.
The sudden turnaround makes forecasting the Hawks’ 2013-14 record a tricky task. However, we will discuss the team’s roster, its strengths and weaknesses and the competition that it'll be facing. Then, we will make an informed prediction.
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Al Horford, Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver return to a revamped Hawks' organization.
Atlanta Hawks Roster
Al Horford, Kyle Korver, Jeff Teague, Lou Williams, Mike Scott, John Jenkins, DeShawn Stevenson and Shelvin Mack are the only returning faces from Atlanta’s 2012-13 playoff run.
Former Utah Jazz power forward Paul Millsap has signed on and will likely start at the 4, forcing Horford to play more at center. Fellow Jazz forward DeMarre Carroll has also defected to Atlanta.
Fourteen-year veteran Elton Brand will provide experience off the bench at both frontcourt positions. However, the combined forces of Horford, Millsap and Brand do not exceed 6’10” in height. That leaves the Hawks desperate for size.
The only other player with any size on the roster is Scott. At 6’8”, he has the size to play the 4 but has a good enough mid-range game to play the 3.
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The Hawks roster is overrun with guards. Teague will be running the point, backed up by the impressive rookie Dennis Schröder and second-year backup Mack. The 2-guard position has Jenkins, Williams and Jared Cunningham, as well as Korver and Stevenson (both of whom can also play small forward).
The roster is still a work in progress. Ferry still has to make a decision on whether he will sign rookie big men Lucas Nogueira and Mike Muscala.
Even in adding both of them, the roster would still be imbalanced. Expect the Hawks to add another big man and possibly another wing player before the summer is over. Doing so may result in the release of one—if not more—of their expendable guards.
Strengths and Weaknesses
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Let’s start with Atlanta’s shortcomings. The Hawks are absurdly small. This is sure to make rebounding and protecting the rim difficult tasks to accomplish. Against larger front lines, the Hawks are bound to struggle.
The Hawks employ a bevy of shooters with whom to space the floor. Unfortunately, Korver is the only one capable of shooting the three-point shot above 40 percent from the field. Nearly everyone else shoots in the mid-30s. Opposing teams may double off of Atlanta’s shooters when Millsap or Horford is operating in the post.
Chemistry could be a glaring weakness. Many of the players are unfamiliar with one another. Also, none of them have ever played in this offense. New head coach Mike Budenholzer will be running a Spurs-like offense that will be predicated on high-post screens and pick-and-rolls.
As the season progresses, the logjam at point guard may become a problem. Schröder is only going to get better. Will his improvements force the coaching staff to start cutting into Teague’s minutes? And if so, how might Teague respond?
Jeff Teague and Al Horford will run a lot more pick and rolls this season.
A strength that should be noted: The Hawks’ frontcourt is very skilled. Horford and Millsap may be undersized, but they are not lacking in ability—both around the basket and from varying distances.
Something else that cannot be ignored, aside from Nogueira (who has not been signed to a contract), is that everyone on the roster can shoot a mid-range or longer jump shot. That will be useful for exploiting defenses that cheat down to the low block when the Hawks run high-post screens.
The Hawks employ very smart players. Given time, these guys are sure to figure out whatever chemistry issues they may face.
Competition
The Atlanta Hawks play in the Southeast Division. For the most part, that is a good thing. That equates to eight wins just from playing the hapless Charlotte Bobcats and Orlando Magic. They may drop one to the Washington Wizards and four more to the Miami Heat, making an 11 - 5 divisional record.
Predicting games against the Atlantic and Central Divisions is trickier because there is no way of knowing which teams Atlanta will play four times or three until the schedule is released later in the offseason.
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Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Jason Terry intend to transform Brooklyn into a championship team.
The Brooklyn Nets have improved immensely and now look to be a top contender in the East. The Chicago Bulls, who will have Derrick Rose back, Indiana Pacers and New York Knicks round out the top-five teams in the East behind the defending champs.
The Cleveland Cavaliers (pending Andrew Bynum’s health), Milwaukee Bucks and Toronto Raptors should fill out the playoff bracket, leaving the Hawks to battle the Detroit Pistons and Boston Celtics for the “best of the rest” award.
Facing the Western Conference will be no simple task, either.
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The Houston Rockets' acquisition of Dwight Howard establishes them as one of the top teams in the league.
The Los Angeles Lakers may end up suffering through a down year, but Kobe Bryant will return, and he may still be good enough to steal a win from Atlanta. The Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets, Oklahoma City Thunder and Los Angeles Clippers have established themselves as the crème de la crème in the West and will all look to sweep the Hawks.
The San Antonio Spurs will be another year older, but they are still a superior team. The Memphis Grizzlies return most of their squad from last year. The Minnesota Timberwolves will be even better now that Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love are both healthy. And the Portland Trail Blazers can only expect to get better as they head into Damian Lillard’s second season with new rookie C.J. McCollum.
The West Coast road trips may be unbearable to watch.
All things considered, Atlanta is most likely going to be in the NBA draft lottery.
Prediction: 33 - 49
I'd like to think that I'm pretty objective but I think we're a .500 team at worst.
apparently you guys have signed Pero Antic, FYROMian PF. Guy is a joke of a player but he can hit the 3.
Keep politics out of sports. Never heard of a FYROMianQuote:
Originally Posted by NYKalltheway