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CHA has about $19M in cap space I've read. A Hayward deal for this much starts at just under $28M. So imagine some type of deal is happening with Rozier, Zeller or Batum.
Ouch ainge probably crying missing out on Turner lmao.
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OOOOUUUUUFFFFFFFFfff
Well done by Hayward though, got a huge contract. I thought he would be looking at around 16-20 mill/year, but after Morris got that, I should've known that he'd get more :laugh2:
Should be interesting to see, now that he's back to probably being either the 1 or a 1a/1b option in Charlotte. Maybe (Hopefully) he can get back to where he was before the injury.
Repeat of 2014!
If he's healthy and lives up the player we thought he would be in Boston, this could end up being a nice addition for Charlotte. That's a big if, but I like the core they're building with Ball and Hayward. Probably the most excitement the Hornets have had around them in a decade.
I like the basketball fit there. He fits very well in a starting lineup of Ball/Graham/Hayward/Washington/Zeller with Rozier and Bridges off the bench.
That's a looooooooot of money for him but it's not like they're a big draw. They still should have max cap space next year if they avoid using stretch on Batum to make room.
Feels like OKC could get involved here and take back Batum for still expiring but less money to give CHA some extra room.
Also, the Bucks BETTER win the East this year. I was thinking that Boston would be their biggest competitor if they got Turner in a S/T for Hayward, but now they've seemed to take a bit of a step back (maybe less of a logjam helps, but they're still lacking a C). Most of the East top teams have (on paper) either stood pat or took a step back (Toronto, Boston, Miami, etc). The Nets might be their biggest competition, but we're yet to see what Durant looks like on Return, and it might take a bit for him to be fully back to season/playoff games :laugh2:
OKC looking to be the first team in NBA history to own all the picks in a draft :laugh2:Quote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
Would be interesting to know if CHA floated this deal out there to him to get him to opt out or if they talked themselves into it with him just sitting there.
Ainge tried to play hard ball, swung & missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheetos185
Don’t think Ainge ever wanted Turner tbh. And it didn’t matter in the end because Charlotte legit gave Hayward $120 mil. Money talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dade County
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Luckily with Ainge we know he'll leak all the details hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dade County
Honestly it could be that as much as Hayward wanted IND he wasn't taking less. And IND might not have been willing to give him this much money unless they were sending out enough to offset it. And that might have been more than Ainge could approval from ownership to take back for Myles Turner since the IND offer was presumably Turner + overpaid bench fodder as opposed to pieces.
He for sure had this deal on the table before he opted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
They only have like 20m in cap room, still possible for a S&T with them?
I wasn’t high on Turner at all, would rather try to lure Ibaka with the MLE
CHA still needs to create cap space. Batum + picks to the Knicks for Randle makes sense. The Knicks take on extra salary this year but they have cap for it. And they shed Randle's partial guarantee next year while getting picks.
If that does happen I'd love Boston to jump in and pay the pick part to generate the TPE. We signed Kemba via S&T last year which allowed CHA to pay Rozier, so there's a history of Ainge/Jordan working together on that.
Quick look at CHA's cap sheet. Even with Hayward signing, they still project to have max cap space next year. I have them with $37M less roster space and draft pick cap holds. So I guess a little bit of maneuvering to do, but not that much.
Ball / Graham / Hayward / Zeller
Rozier / Monk / Batum / ??? / ???
Is not a bad start to the rotation at all. I think they can definitely establish some momentum as a team to maybe sign some solid FAs next year. Maybe not a max guy but some good quality players.
They're not a Philly market will fans will keep paying to see a Hinkie type tank job. That's not an option for every franchise so sometimes you need to try things like this.
It’s the same thing that happened with Horford. He wouldn’t have opted out of his deal if he didn’t know he had a mega offer on the table. It sucks to lose him cause he’s a good player but I mean, good for him. 4 years guaranteed too. Ultimate security for him in a small market with no media scrutiny.Quote:
Originally Posted by NBA all the way
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Left out PJ Washington at PF.Quote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
Maybe they get Whiteside at C.
Why would he not want Turner?Quote:
Originally Posted by PAOboston
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I’d make that deal if I was NYQuote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
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Because the Cs really don’t put a premium on paying/playing big men. Their bigs play like 20-25 mins a night. $18 mil for 20 mins a night is a lot. I don’t think Turner is really a game changer. He’s a nice player but has limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
Also, we never know why was on the table from Indy or if Indy ever agreed to give Hayward $120 mil. Clearly, Hayward chose the money in Charlotte so Indy was not offering anything close to that.
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I was thinking that too. Tho the pick would be very protected. Or multiple 2nds.Quote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
Graham
Ball
Hayward
PJ
Zeller
With Rozier, Monk, Bridges and Randell off the bench. Looks like a 7-8 seed and a versatile group of players
Hayward is not the player he was in Utah, and with his injury history I don't think this is a good deal for Charlotte.
Yikes. Charlotte is waiving Batum to make space for the deal. Thts going to cost them 9 mil in dead cap space each year for the next three years. So basically Hayward is costing them $39 mil per for the next three years. Wowzers.
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Wow, surprised they couldn’t find a taker.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAOboston
With his age and injury history, wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAOboston
MJ has a thing for overpaying former Celtics players.
So apparently their move is to stretch and waive last year of Batum. That makes the room this year but pushes $9M of cap space into each of the next two. Changes their cap space equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
Would have liked this a looooooooot more for them if they didn't do that. Hurting the future cap space like this seems questionable IMO.
They're still going to be a cheap team (from a payroll perspective) and likely in the hunt for a playoff birth. That's exactly what Jordan is after.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAOboston
https://twitter.com/zachlowe_nba/sta...633301508?s=21
So this puts all the Indy rumors to rest. Sounds like Charlotte had that deal out there for Hayward all along.
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I think Ainge is happy as hell that he got out of paying Hayward 34 million this year, and is probably laughing his *** off at Charlotte right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheetos185
CHA should compete but the easy spots in the east is down to 1 I think...Quote:
Originally Posted by beasted86
MIA / BOS / TOR / MIL / IND / PHI / BRK all figure to be locks to make it back. ORL's playoff spot feels the only one up for grabs. I have them fighting with ATL and maybe CHA if these moves work out to hold onto that 8 seed.
But all of those top 7 are well run organizations that seem to have bright futures that won't let up the playoffs. Maybe TOR if they really miss on FAs next year and have to start over. But the rest seem lined up for sustainable success over the next 3ish years that will be tough for any of the other teams to catch, IMO.
no ones taking that bum at 27 mill per.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueFan420
No but how much would it have costed to move him for $20M worth of bums' salary? That would have created the room to sign Hayward without having to push money into out years.Quote:
Originally Posted by smith&wesson
I liked this deal for them because they were gonna have like $30M in caps pace next year still. Lots of flexibility even with Hayward's deal. But now a third of that is gone because of how they made the room this year. Definitely makes me like it less for them.
I think he's definitely happy to be avoiding the tax. That should pay off down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by smith&wesson
There's definitely the chance he F'd up BIG TIME here.
If Hayward always had this offer in his back pocket then there's nothing you can really do. Unless he was willing to take like $20M less to play in IND, a S&T just wasn't really feasible. Maybe he would have been willing to do that, but he did already sign an offer sheet in CHA before so it's not like it's a place he wouldn't want to live.
Where Ainge might have ****ed up is if Hayward was willing to take the IND deal but while they were going back and forth on the S&T CHA found this money after Trez signed with LAL for less than their offers. In that case not being quick and direct on the S&T with IND could have cost them Turner, who would be an awesome fit here.
I view it different. Indiana was a playoff team and a tough out in the playoffs. With Hayward they’d be tougher. So why should Danny make them better unless he gets exactly what he wants and pulls enough from their current roster that Hayward isn’t going to make them better than Boston.Quote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
So if that’s the case you let him walk for nothing vs getting something but also making a playoff foe potentially better than you.
If Ainge's goal is having this team competing for titles I don't think he should be worried about IND having Hayward. If that makes or breaks a series we just weren't good enough to begin with. He's gotta worry about making the roster we have as strong as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oakmont_4
All indications are that the Celtics targeted Turner, and that Indy was Hayward's first choice. The reported offer was 4yr, $100M, Indy would send Turner and McDermott. Ainge wanted Turner and either Warren or Oladipo. If he was going to take the Charlotte offer because it was higher, he would have done so as soon as he opted out. There would have been no reason to wait on Boston to try and get something done.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAOboston
Ainge overvalued his ability to facilitate an Indy deal and got nothing as a result. This is absolute worst case scenario for Boston concerning Hayward.
I'm happy for Hayward but this is a shocking move by the Hornets. This could backfire on Jordan. The Hornets are not close to compete so a move like this doesn't make sense.
It sucks as a Celtics fan. I loved the way Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum looked together or any variations of that with Smart replacing one. Was so great on both ends and fit beautifully when they played together.
That said, we only saw those 4 play together for 348 minutes. He obviously wasn't part of the ECF run 3 years ago after injury and he wasn't really a part of this one either. His BOS tenure is pretty much all theoretical with nothing but encouraging signs of what could have been.
I can't even really lament the "loss" of him not he court since we never got any real games out of him when it mattered (he was a shell of himself vs MIA playing injured, not the real thing).
It's just pretty crushing we couldn't have at least generated a TPE to open up some more avenues to improve.