NFL Week 5: Las Vegas Raiders(2-2) @ Kansas City Chiefs(4-0)

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Location: Allegiant Stadium
Date: 10/11/20
Time: 10:00 AM PST

Players to Watch

Passing

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Patrick Mahomes: 1134 Passing / 67.33 Comp % / 11 TD / 0 INT
Derek Carr: 1095 Passing / 73.61 Comp % / 8 TD / 0 INT

Rushing

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Patrick Mahomes: 108 Rushing / 6 YPA / 1 TD
Clyde Edwards-Helaire: 304 Rushing / 4.3 YPA / 1 TD | 129 Receiving / 9.2 YPR /0 TD
Josh Jacobs: 300 Rushing / 3.6 YPA / 3 TD | 100 Receiving / 7.7 YPR / 0 TD
Devontae Booker: 59 Rushing / 5.9 YPA / 0 TD | 29 Receiving / 7.3 YPR / 0 TD

Receiving

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Travis Kelce: 297 Receiving / 12.4 YPR / 2 TD
Tyreek Hill: 286 Receiving / 15.1 YPR / 4 TD
Darren Waller: 247 Receiving / 8.5 YPR / 1 TD
Hunter Renfrow: 199 Receiving / 12.4 YPR / 1 TD

Defensive

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L'Jarius Sneed: 10 Solo Tackles / 2 INT
Chris Jones: 8 Solo Tackles / 3.5 Sack
Tyrann Mathieu: 14 Solo Tackles / 1 INT
Johnathan Abram: 17 Solo Tackles / 1 INT
Nicholas Morrow: 17 Solo Tackles / 1 INT
Maxx Crosby: 4 Solo Tackle / 3 Sack

Interesting. Through 4 games Carr and Mahomes have similar stats. Yet one team is undefeated and the other is not.

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Originally Posted by Switch

Interesting. Through 4 games Carr and Mahomes have similar stats. Yet one team is undefeated and the other is not.

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Yeah,and one has a hof coach while the other.... Is stuck in 1998 lol.Gruden redzone offense since he's been here has got to be one of the worst.Our defense can't even smell the qb.

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Originally Posted by Switch

Interesting. Through 4 games Carr and Mahomes have similar stats. Yet one team is undefeated and the other is not.

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I mean 3 less touchdowns is a lot haha that’s 21 points, we’d probably be 3-1 if his numbers were exactly the same.


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We upset the Chiefs in a barn burner 42-38.

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Originally Posted by Switch

Interesting. Through 4 games Carr and Mahomes have similar stats. Yet one team is undefeated and the other is not.

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Stats may be similar, but Carr has coughed up 3 fumbles.

Another spanking coming our way.

It's divisional, but Carr has been absolutely horrid at Arrowhead and our defense is non existent, so my confidence is low we even make it competitive.

Maybe Hurst can expose Guenther to Covid so someone else can call the defense? too far?

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Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU

I mean 3 less touchdowns is a lot haha that’s 21 points, we’d probably be 3-1 if his numbers were exactly the same.


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4 lost fumbles plays a factor as well.

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Originally Posted by BoKnowsRaiders

4 lost fumbles plays a factor as well.

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Carr have 4? So many i lost count!

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Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU

I mean 3 less touchdowns is a lot haha that’s 21 points, we’d probably be 3-1 if his numbers were exactly the same.


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True but you can't compare Tyreek Hill/Sammy Watkins/Travis Kelcee to Henry Ruggs/Bryan Edwards/Darren Waller

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Originally Posted by BoKnowsRaiders

4 lost fumbles plays a factor as well.

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Carr has 3 fumbles 7 sacks

Mahomes has 0 fumbles 3 sacks

Once our line gets healthy there will be better protection for Carr

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Originally Posted by BoKnowsRaiders

4 lost fumbles plays a factor as well.

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Originally Posted by raiderizer

Yeah,and one has a hof coach while the other.... Is stuck in 1998 lol.Gruden redzone offense since he's been here has got to be one of the worst.Our defense can't even smell the qb.

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I have no problem with Grudens offense. He's missing 4 starters which has played a huge factor. If healthy I believe his offense will work if the defense can manage to get some stops

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Originally Posted by Switch

Carr has 3 fumbles 7 sacks

Mahomes has 0 fumbles 3 sacks

Once our line gets healthy there will be better protection for Carr

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Brown back at practice! Slide Good over the RG as Jackson is crap. Simpson has been solid at LG. Not great, but for a rookie doing good. Hopefully Richie is back after the Bye.

3 sack fumbles and one of those for a TD hurts a lot. Something Carr needs to avoid moving forward. He knows this, but has to make it happen!

My problem with Gruden is play calling. Way too conservative.

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Originally Posted by Switch

Carr has 3 fumbles 7 sacks

Mahomes has 0 fumbles 3 sacks

Once our line gets healthy there will be better protection for Carr

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Carr has actually 5 fumbles, but 4 were lost.

2-3 isn’t so bad...

Especially given how easy the 2nd half is.

Then again? This is exactly the kind of game the Raiders could win out of left field.

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Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU

I mean 3 less touchdowns is a lot haha that’s 21 points, we’d probably be 3-1 if his numbers were exactly the same.


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Riiiiight.

Our d gives up 30 points a game. How about if our d gives up less than 30 a game. That would be nice. Then we could win a few games

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Originally Posted by BoKnowsRaiders

4 lost fumbles plays a factor as well.

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You know what else is a factor? Jones, Clark, honey badger. And throwing to kelce, hill, hardman and watkins(the fastest wr group in the nfl paired with the best te).

Fire Guenther!

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Originally Posted by BoKnowsRaiders

Carr has actually 5 fumbles, but 4 were lost.

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Also keep in mind that Richards fumble counts against Carr since Richard never gained possession

Chiefs won't go undefeated. Might as well lose to us. But not this week. Raiders 24 - Chiefs 40.

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Originally Posted by BoKnowsRaiders

Carr has actually 5 fumbles, but 4 were lost.

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I see where the discrepancy is. They have Carr at 3 fumbles as a QB and 2 fumbles as a RB

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Originally Posted by raidermike

Fire Guenther!

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I don't believe this happens. I think Guenther is our best bet for the season. If the season was lost that would be a different story. Gruden seems to have a lot confidence in Guenther

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Originally Posted by Megatron

You know what else is a factor? Jones, Clark, honey badger. And throwing to kelce, hill, hardman and watkins(the fastest wr group in the nfl paired with the best te).

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I think Chiefs have the most talent in the league. That team is almost unfair

man. I really don't understand why we have never tanked. Colts did it when they had Manning and they ended up with Luck. This year would have been the perfect year to tank for Lawrence. Now with 2 wins the #1 may be out of reach. It's obvious Carr is a good QB but not an elite QB that we need. Lawrence is a future star. But knowing how the Raiders have drafted recently, expect us to draft another corner and WR early in the draft.

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Originally Posted by Switch

I think Chiefs have the most talent in the league. That team is almost unfair

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They don't have the most talent. O-line is average @ best. It's Mahomes that makes all of them look like stars. Also it's the system that puts players in positions to succeed. That is why the Pats have been so damn good for the last 12 years. Notice how they can take bums and make them out to be good players when they have been trash everywhere else.

Sadly for us Gruden is stuck in the 2000's and he is trying to coach us like the 2000's Raiders. Times have change. It's more of a passing league now not the run it down your throat.

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Originally Posted by Switch

I think Chiefs have the most talent in the league. That team is almost unfair

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I agree, they've put together an incredible team. We need to steal whoever is responsible for it.

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Originally Posted by a60rdie

Brown back at practice! Slide Good over the RG as Jackson is crap. Simpson has been solid at LG. Not great, but for a rookie doing good. Hopefully Richie is back after the Bye.

3 sack fumbles and one of those for a TD hurts a lot. Something Carr needs to avoid moving forward. He knows this, but has to make it happen!

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Jackson allowed the DT to push him in the backfield on the 4th down play when that used to be a bread and butter play that we could count on.

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Originally Posted by lamar2006

They don't have the most talent. O-line is average @ best. It's Mahomes that makes all of them look like stars. Also it's the system that puts players in positions to succeed. That is why the Pats have been so damn good for the last 12 years. Notice how they can take bums and make them out to be good players when they have been trash everywhere else.

Sadly for us Gruden is stuck in the 2000's and he is trying to coach us like the 2000's Raiders. Times have change. It's more of a passing league now not the run it down your throat.

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Osemele is looking like the nasty road grader that he used to look like for us a few years ago. Gruden has lost touch with this generation of players. The schemes must be simple so that players can be more instinctive and not constantly second guessing because the preseason was not available to clean things up. Also the tackler should be a whole lot better than it is right now. Yes I know that 31 other teams have the same conditions but this is where as a manager you have to understand your personnel and how to help them meet the objectives. Just Win Baby!!!

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Originally Posted by lamar2006

man. I really don't understand why we have never tanked. Colts did it when they had Manning and they ended up with Luck. This year would have been the perfect year to tank for Lawrence. Now with 2 wins the #1 may be out of reach. It's obvious Carr is a good QB but not an elite QB that we need. Lawrence is a future star. But knowing how the Raiders have drafted recently, expect us to draft another corner and WR early in the draft.

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To really tank, you'd have to trade away most of your good players. You want to give away Jacobs? Abram? Waller? etc.? If you hang onto a bunch of your good ones, odds are someone is going to finish worse than you. And it's going to take a hell of a lot more than one QB to dig out from a roster that's dismantled.

Other problem, no guarantees that the #1 QB in a given year will be Luck. You can tank and end up with the best QB prospect being Tim Couch, David Carr, Alex Smith, or he who shall not be named.

Chiefs 35 Raiders 10. With 7 of the 10 coming in Carrbage time at the end of the game.

Malik Collins is not practicing and Maurice Hurst is on the covid list. Our DL was already mediocre with those 2. It might be just get worse Sunday

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Originally Posted by lamar2006

They don't have the most talent. O-line is average @ best. It's Mahomes that makes all of them look like stars. Also it's the system that puts players in positions to succeed. That is why the Pats have been so damn good for the last 12 years. Notice how they can take bums and make them out to be good players when they have been trash everywhere else.

Sadly for us Gruden is stuck in the 2000's and he is trying to coach us like the 2000's Raiders. Times have change. It's more of a passing league now not the run it down your throat.

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Who has more talent than them?

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Originally Posted by Switch

Malik Collins is not practicing and Maurice Hurst is on the covid list. Our DL was already mediocre with those 2. It might be just get worse Sunday

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could it really get any worse?

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Originally Posted by Switch

Who has more talent than them?

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cowboys.

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Originally Posted by GeniusLoci

could it really get any worse?

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Actually, it could. Season ending injuries to Waller, Jacobs or Carr would end any notion of this team being able to compete with anyone this season. I know everyone is looking to the "soft" part of our schedule to make hay, but the truth is this team right now is as soft as those teams that we think we'll cakewalk through. Take away any of our starters and we're done. Pack-it-in-start-scouting-the-top-4-picks-in-the-draft done.

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Originally Posted by lamar2006

cowboys.

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The 1-3 Cowboys? Lol. The head coach along makes Chiefs 5x better than the Cowboys

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Originally Posted by GeniusLoci

could it really get any worse?

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Oh yeah. They can just steam roll through our DL

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Originally Posted by RaiderLakersA's

Actually, it could. Season ending injuries to Waller, Jacobs or Carr would end any notion of this team being able to compete with anyone this season. I know everyone is looking to the "soft" part of our schedule to make hay, but the truth is this team right now is as soft as those teams that we think we'll cakewalk through. Take away any of our starters and we're done. Pack-it-in-start-scouting-the-top-4-picks-in-the-draft done.

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Waller and Jacobs I agree. However, I don't think Carr is that big a loss. Mariota is equal if not an upgrade.

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Originally Posted by RaiderLakersA's

Actually, it could. Season ending injuries to Waller, Jacobs or Carr would end any notion of this team being able to compete with anyone this season. I know everyone is looking to the "soft" part of our schedule to make hay, but the truth is this team right now is as soft as those teams that we think we'll cakewalk through. Take away any of our starters and we're done. Pack-it-in-start-scouting-the-top-4-picks-in-the-draft done.

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This team is not as soft as you make them out to be. We could have easily been 4-0 had we faced teams like the Jets or the Bengals instead of the Patriots or the Bills. Strength of schedule makes a difference. Ultimately you are what your record shows at the end of the season

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Originally Posted by cykoraider

Waller and Jacobs I agree. However, I don't think Carr is that big a loss. Mariota is equal if not an upgrade.

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lol you clearly haven’t seen much of Mariota