I don’t get this one. We need as many decent cbs as we can get. I don’t like this move.
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I don’t get this one. We need as many decent cbs as we can get. I don’t like this move.
Arnette beat Prince for the 2nd starting CB spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatron
Lawson is the #3 CB
Keisean Nixon appears to have beaten Prince for the #4 CB spot.
Amik Robertson is your #5 CB.
So if Raiders keep 6 its either 2nd year 4th round pick Isiah Johnson or vet Prince
Looks like Raiders went with youth.
This is good news imo, couldn’t beat out our current youth for a spot
So much for that. Arnette beat him out. Don't be surprised if N. Morrow is released next.
If Lawson is our 3 and Nixon is our 4, we are in trouble if Arnette or Mullen gets hurt. I doubt if Nixon, lawson and Johnson are better than apple or prince. Prince was ranked 41st in the nfl last year. Was Nixon ranked? 130th Lawson? I agree with a youth movement. But our corners are weak. We need all the help we can getQuote:
Originally Posted by HunterNRoss
Agreed. I’d have kept him through the first few weeks and if they still felt that way then ok but I think it’s a mistake. Granted they have way more info than we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatron
I don't think the Raiders will part ways with Isaiah Johnson just yet.
Arnette was the best corner on the roster as soon as his name was called at the draft. He will be a steal. Depth is what Im concerned about...
Obviously prince couldn't keep up with the young guys physically. It's allabout speed aand youth in this division you gotta have guys who can move. With prince we would constantly see him getting torched like he was in camp. People would be calling for his release soon. Better to give the younger players playing time
Torched? How? How long have we been in pads? Prince has proven to be a solid starter in the nfl. Hence his 41st rank in the nfl. Release him cuz Johnson is physically gifted? What was Lawson ranked? Maybe 180th for Lawson. Maybe Johnson is 230th? What’s Nixon done??? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaiderAce
I get Mullen and Arnette. They are good.
It doesn’t matter if someone is young if they suck.
I’m excited about Arnette. He looks solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterNRoss
Some people are overthinking this. He didn’t get beat out by all our young talent lol. Arnette was beating him and Joyner plays the slot. Prince can get a starter job and money elsewhere and he doesnt want to be our #4 or #5 and spend most of his time on the bench. We did him a courtesy to keep his career rolling and released him despite him still being a top 3 pure cb on this team. Yes this says something about our young talent but mostly it was just a classy and money saving move on our part. Let’s just hope our youngsters are ready.
You forgot about Robertson. Yes, he will be the future slot corner for the Raiders but he has been getting play on the outside as well in camp and looking good doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatron
This was a bad move. Depth in the secondary is not a bad thing.
Arnette had a real bad game. He might turn out to be the bust of this class. Then again he is versatile enough to play in the slot, so we can salvage the pick. Haven't heard much about Robertson so far. https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/202...-in-nfl-debut/
Let’s calm down. He got toasted by a veteran receiver on a terrible play. Most of his negative ratings were from that. Apart from that he gave up 35 scoreless yards, made several tackles and tipped a pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickench
One week does not make a bust, and most rookie corners aren’t ready to start week 1. Give the kid a break.
Oh for the love of Leonidas's impressive 12 pack abs! This coming from the guy who said Jacobs was the next Ricky Dudley. Give the kid a chance. He did great, one bad play does not make him a bust. It generally takes a CB 2-3 years to come into their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickench
Calm your ****Quote:
Originally Posted by erickench
This is the definition of overreacting
The Webster's Unabridged Dictionary shows the definition of overreaction as:Quote:
Originally Posted by Switch
o·ver·re·ac·tion
/ˈˌōvə(r)rēˈakSHən/
noun
noun: overreaction; plural noun: overreactions; noun: over-reaction; plural noun: over-reaction
a more emotional or forcible response than is justified.
"sacking him is a massive overreaction"
- Refer to erickench, the paradigm of overreaction
Who has time to digest the article and think about the stats when you can get the full picture from the headline?Quote:
Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
Did any of you guys read the article? He was targeted five times and allowed four catches for 110 yards. It's not just one play. That's an 80% completion rate allowed.
Its one game and he's a rookie. You've been more wrong than right so I'll just leave it at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by erickench
5 targetsQuote:
Originally Posted by erickench
1 defection + (4 catches for 110 yards + TD)
1 deflection + [(3 catches for 35 yards) + (1 catch for 75 yards + 1 TD)]
That's why people are saying it's just 1 play. Everyone gets beat sometimes. Arnette got beat on a great double move but held his own otherwise.
^^^ He allowed a 158.3 passer rating! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!
Simmer down Francis. No one is kidding you, we are speaking facts and logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickench
No they’re telling you you’re overreacting and commenting prematurely. It’s one game for a rookie CB at a position that takes a few years to grow into. He got burned badly on one play. Outside of that he wasn’t horrible. Pump your breaks and let’s see some games before we start throwing bust out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickench
Stats can be misleading, specially when they're based on 5(!) data points lol, and even more so when 1 of the 5 data points is a big outlier (4 targets for 35 yards vs 1 target for 75 yards). Check back at the end of the season, if he's still allowing a 158.3 rating then he's a bust.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickench
Or don't... you're just gonna want them to move him to H-Back or something during the bye week so who cares?
When logic and truth slap you in the face........Quote:
Originally Posted by mberr
LOL I agree 100%.
Indeed, on top of that he is starting with not much of an offseason or preseason to speak of. Give the guy a minute to acclimate to the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueFan420
Raiders had zero pressure on the QB.. Your going to give up points when that happens