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The ****ing murdered kneeled on top of his neck, why the duck do that when the man is already down?
These ****ers need to go to jail for this.
Every time this happens there is an outrage for a few days then nothing. Time moves on, it happens again then the outrage for few days then nothing. People still bash BLM and counter with Blue Life Matter, while the democrat leadership comes out with worn-out scripts with no heat for change then go back to bashing Trump. I am more outrage about this vicious cycle then the deed.
Then I get bash for not voting for Biden. By the way where is Joe? The civil right marcher, when to jail for Mandela, and the best do-gooder for black issues for blacks Uncle Joe. You know Corn Pop buddy
Then I get bash by the moderated here for not voting for Biden. Got to get that supreme court seat. I will quit before I start cussing out everything in sight. Begging for ten minutes for his life. A forty some year old man gasping for air in the dirt crying for mother lying in his own urine. This is why I have no patience for some of our posters when talking about Black Issues. talk, talk talk talk
Pigs.
Fascist militias storm the state house with their guns and war cosplay fetishes on full display, shouting at cops in their faces: nothing. Literally nothing.
Black people gather at the scene of a murder to demand justice: game over.
Their sympathies have always lied with one side over the other and it's astounding that so many people want to still bury their heads in the sand and pretend like that's not the case.
Look, there are plenty of good cops out there but until they start speaking up, start holding their own accountable and start changing, collectively they are all pigs.
I think the left needs more guns. The right and the police have a monopoly.
this is awful, and these officers need to be held accountable.
but to think that this is police in general, that are all racist, or all pigs, is just ignorant and doesn't help anything.
Probably the biggest obstacle in holding police officers accountable for their actions is their own internal, well-documented, and widespread corruption — in the form of their time-honored rule of covering up for each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
Until they break that mold, they will be objects of suspicion and scorn by some.
Yeah, sorry but you’re wrong. These cops should be convicted of murder because that’s what they did but to lump entire groups in with this shows how you haven’t got a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
Yep. The good ones willingly acting as a shield for the bad ones is a huge part of the problem. They aren't out there killing people who shouldn't be, but they willingly act as a deflector to try and ensure that the bad ones don't receive accountability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
You are correct about this but then show me a union that does not do this. All unions blindly support their members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
I would say that most “groups” of people do this even...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Doctors
The Catholic Church
Mafia
People in inner cities
All to some degree or another protect and correct within their own groups
Before I say anything, let me say this………These police are wrong and should be fired.
There are somethings here we do not know, There is a video of the police approaching the man while he is sitting on the ground leaning against a building. He is then handcuffed and led off to……a patrol car? (a guess). There was no resisting arrest. The man did noting wrong and the police were calm.
These police are wrong and should be fired.
The next video we see is the one that is every where. The man is on the ground with the police officer's knee on his neck and the man screaming that he cannot breathe. How and why did he get on the ground? What happened to put him there? What have we not seen?
These police are wrong and should be fired.
The man keeps screaming "I can't breathe," yet he is able to speak the words clearly. If he couldn't breathe he would not have been able to say that to the degree that it is so understandable. It also doesn't appear that the police officer is exerting any pressure on the man's neck with his knee. This in no way is meant to justify what the police officer did. It is merely meant to point out that there are other details that will be addressed.
These police are wrong and should be fired.
If the man was cuffed, why did the police officer(s) not just pick him up and put him in the patrol car??? Especially after it was pointed out that the man's nose was bleeding. And why keep him on the ground for almost 8-10 minutes??? What were the police waiting for at this point??? What else was going on???
These police are wrong and should be fired.
This problem could get worse if, after the autopsy, (and this is entirely possible) it is revealed that the man died from something else other than being choked by the police. Somewhere it read that one of the officers thought the man might be "under the influence." The public will scream cover up even if the autopsy is true and the situation will become worse.
These police are wrong and should be fired.
Again none of this ^^^ is meant to mitigate what happened. The man is dead and the police clearly overreacted again and are responsible. I am just pointing out that there is a great deal that we do not know as yet. Stay tuned.
These police are wrong and should be fired.
And you wonder why people call you racist here. The bolded line that you keep repeating, you really think anyone believes that is your stance? Or should we just read between the lines where you're looking for anything here to jump on that shows this guy got what was coming to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
It is kind of funny that he had a literal "read between the lines" post :laugh2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez
The blue line has been weakening for years. Cameras are totally destructive to it. Police in uniform who don't have cameras rolling should be assumed at fault when accused by the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
This case is literally open and shut case. How dumb are these cops?
It is amazing here how so many know what I am thinking. Some here know what I did 50 years ago. Some knew what I was like in high schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez
It's like the psychic hotline.
To the point………
Who here is really the one that is close minded???
I said several time that the police were wrong and should be fired. Go to jail?…I'm OK with that too.
I merely pointed out (and fairly well) that there is more to this than we know. Did you read any of what I wrote???
Does anyone else here think that there are details that we do not yet know???? And that none of those details will exonerate the police????
And…These police are wrong and should be fired.
Do you believe what this guy said that I was "looking for anything here to jump on that shows this guy got what was coming to him?"Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Do you think that that is what I was trying to point out???
Honest answer would be appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Sluggo1
And...Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Fair enough, but until very recently almost all of those camera shots came from the public, and while cameras have improved the situation (for their part, the police had to get shamed into using them), it still has not broken the code.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
And what????Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
I apologize for my soap box.
Congress can set the tone by no longer locking up non-violent criminals. By legalizing and decriminalizing drugs. By getting rid of mandatory minimums. By getting rid of 3 strikes. By making prison about rehabilitation not about making money and punishment. By reducing the size of police forces. By not allowing money collected by police actions (including fines) to be used by the government at all ... it can go to victims or to community services programs, or donate it to charities.
Police should be paid more, it should take a lot more training before they are on the street, they should be trained to better handle confrontations without extreme force.
I know several cops and they are for the things above. They are tired of having their moment to moment job performance graded based on tickets and arrests. They are tired of seeing drug users who are already suffering abused and used by the system that keeps them down. 1 of my cop friends died recently ... he was definitely borderline as a cop, he was a DEA undercover agent and it ruined his health. As a person he was a really nice guy, super helpful to the community, started a house painting business and hired only ex-cons. He was an emotional wreck from what he'd seen and done and the drugs he got addicted to in the line. He was an alcoholic and I'd see him driving drunk a few times a year, chase him down to stop him. He'd always end up crying and apologizing and swearing he was going to stop drinking. I spent years working with drug users trying to help them through the system and helping them get clean and get to their court dates, and get jobs, places to live, etc. I've seen literally dozens die from drugs, or from the damage they did to their bodies.
I can say with total conviction that the VAST majority of cops are really good people who actually feel a drive to be civic leaders and to take care of the community they work for despite being treated like **** by the public on a regular basis. But they are made of humans and some of them are going to be **** humans, and some of them the job is going to wear them down until they are not capable of doing the job anymore ... we don't really have any system to get them out of the job when they get there. We've probably all had teachers who were clearly over it and should clearly move on and do something else because they just don't like the students anymore and have become bad at their job ... we can't get rid of them because of tenure. The blue line promotes the cops who hate the public or they leave them working and **** like this is the result.
**** me, at least this one should be a very easy trial and conviction.
The officer should be killed, point blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Put him in the chair, flip the switch, case closed. If I did that on camera that's what would happen to me.
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The cops I know love the cameras. One was telling me the other day it saved his marriage. A woman filed a complaint that he had been having an affair with her and when she wanted to break it off he'd beaten her. Because he had GPS and camera footage from his own front door and back to his front door for every day for several weeks his boss was quick to dismiss the complaint and once the wife saw the only footage with the woman (she was nuts) she let it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
In Oakland they were worried about the cameras because they would get in questionable situations where they would let people off for drug paraphernalia and things like that, but once the captain said the tapes would never be used to punish cops for being lenient they started to like them.
The most common complaint was about GPS because some captains started requiring the cops to stay under the speed limit including on their way to and from work, and because some started requiring the cops stay in their duty area for lunch.
1. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
2. There has to be a trial. The rest need to learn that they will be found guilty in court.
3. That is not what would happen to you if you did that on camera. There are relatively few executions anymore. Only 7 states executed anyone last year, and all but two had been in prison for 15+ years beforehand.
Sure, there can be a trial..Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
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Yes, pretty much anything on this topic we all know what you are thinking based on your posting history. Doesn't take a psychic to see it coming from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
You're a tough guy, you want people to stop thinking you're racist every turn of the way, then stop acting like a racist every time a situation presents itself. Until then get used to it tough guy.
I'm far from a tough guy. So I guess you are not psychic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez
I'm just trying to point out a common sense point of view…an attempt wasted on you.
The two points of the original post were…
1 There are things about this incident that we do not know and will probably come out.
2. The police were wrong and should be fired.
I even preference point 2 numerous times since I suspected (correctly) that the post might create a spit storm.
Sorry you did not get the point(s).
But not surprised.
The Blue Line has been weakening because of citizens and instances like this revealing it. It’s not like the police were working hard to change, society has been forcing them to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
From reading your post and based on your past posting history, I think you were trying to insinuate there was probably something the man did to where the police acted the way they did. I think you believed there was more to the story than what we saw, and that what we haven’t seen yet would hurt the dead man’s credibility/case and help explain the police’s actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Mostly correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
I also said that the police were completely at fault.
The thrust of the entire post was the bolded part.
Something happened to get from "walking the handcuffed man to the patrol car" to the "screaming man on the ground." What was it??? And why all that time on the ground????
And regardless of the reason, the police were still at fault.
It would not surprise me if, after the autopsy, the cause of death was something other than choking to death. And everyone will scream cover up.
Well there is additional footage coming out and none of it really shows what you were hoping to find (that the man did something that justified the police officers use of force).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
It seems you are very adversarial towards the George Floyd side. It's a "I agree with you, BUT" kind of mentality. I don't understand why you feel the need to interject the but part of it.
Why is the prospect of simply agreeing with the aggrieved side so distasteful you feel the need to qualify it?
Not all that much to think through here. It's the guy constantly talking about minorities as if they are non-human looking for reasons to exonerate policemen who murdered another minority. It's okay though, you have us all fooled due to that one black employee you thought of as a son and your minority spouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Keep up the great work, boss!
Oh I got your "point." Just reiterating what Valade said, it's pretty simple to see where you were trying to go with it, to point out that there's more to the story so everyone doesn't automatically throw their support behind the black guy (which for some reason seems to bother you?). In my opinion (and seems to be many others here) you're hoping that some new evidence will come out that justify what the police officer's actions were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Why would it not surprise you? Because he is black? Would it not surprise you if he was white?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Say the guy had alcohol or drugs in his system already, but the kneeling for minutes on the guys neck lead ultimately to his death, who is to blame? The victim or the PO?
What I'm trying to get it as well. It's awfully tough to show remorse though I guess when it's a person of a different color.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
I'm betting in the old days he would have been ruled to have died by suicide being shot in the back 10 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Bold 1 … I am not "hoping to find" anything. I'm wondering why and how he wound up on the ground and why he was there so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Bold 2 … I and not "adversarial towards the George Floyd. " The guy was killed needlessly. It is a sad event.
Bold 3 … I feel for the aggrieved side. Their son/relative was needlessly killed. It must be horrifying
Who is really reading into things here?? You or me???
I'm asking the questions that are already being asked and will eventually come out. For asking those same questions, many of you here are quick to paint me as a racist. So who's really close minded.
My biggest fear with all this is that the autopsy reveals another cause of death other than the choke hold, it's not accepted, and there are more riots.
What is so hard to understand about that?????? I really don't think I can be any more clear.
And the police were wrong and should be punished.
Bold 1…show me where I have ever said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
Bold 2 … show me where I have ever said that.
I don't see how this could possible happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez
The police are guilty of killing this guy. I've said this over and over and over.
Is there another language you need me to say it in??? Can you ask someone to help you on this????