https://apnews.com/article/californi...50cae41a087468
In his decision he said "Like the Swiss Army Knife, the popular AR-15 rifle is a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment”.
What a dumbass.
https://apnews.com/article/californi...50cae41a087468
In his decision he said "Like the Swiss Army Knife, the popular AR-15 rifle is a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment”.
What a dumbass.
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Yeah good idea when we see mass shootings every day in this country. The best way to solve that is have guns that can take out more people in a shorter period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Not surprised you would support something so ridiculous btw.
Always good when we put more guns out on the street.
That will show them liberals yee-haw
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Thankfully California will pass another bill and go about this a different way.
The vast majority of shootings in this country including mass shootings are done with hand gun's not the vaguely defined *assult rifels*Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
In fact there are 4 times more stabbing deaths in this country than killing by all rifels COMBINED.
If he put out an injunction against banning the sale of firearms, I don't see how they write another bill to get around that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
The analogy works for me. Give a man 24 Swiss army knives and he surely could kill 60 and injure another 400+ with them like the Vegas shooter did with his firearms. Totally.
Our founding fathers knew best. They fought and died for our right to own AR-15s
Judge sounds bright. :laugh:
Conservatives look at gun violence in this country and literally refuse to do anything that could (realistically) curb it. I think my last post in any gun control thread was just me giving up and saying "show me that conservatives care to do anything....literally one thing...to show that this is not only a problem that can be improved, but an actual problem.
I think right wingers like the violence :shrug: What other explanations are there? I mean, they all claim to be patriots, lovers of America and the police. Cops killed? Duck it! More guns! Kids slaughtered in schools? Whatever. Maybe metal detectors. And half the rest you guys argue deserved it or some psychotic ****. Surely they'd want to see efforts made to stop this almost wholly unique problem that is gun violence in America.
Sounding like a Lib today. Don't care! Y'all are freaks!
Feels like short of like 20 prominent Republicans being victims of gun crimes for any progress. Again. ANYTHING.
Still nothing. They love the violence.
What percentage of those daily mass shootings are done by AR15s?Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
I think the "assault weapon" argument is disingenuous to "reduce gun violence".
They do worse than nothing. They actively pass laws that make gun violence worse. They also get appointed to make rulings like this that make us less safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
That was my original point and then got ranty and forgot. Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
It's not that they're not doing anything. They're going to opposite direction. This is the price we must for our unparalleled freedoms!. And we just need to deal with it :flag:
Love how none of the left wingers have anything to respondQuote:
Originally Posted by ciaban2.0
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Despite that fact, it’s not politically tenable to go after them and require more documentation before they’re sold. People believe the myth that we live in the Wild West or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Except gun violence has been going down EVERY YEAR across the country in EVERY STATE regardless of their gun laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
States that enact tough gun laws, saw reductions in gun deaths. States that enacted looser gun restrictions...saw reductions in gun deaths. EVERY STATE.
So no, they ARE NOT doing things to make gun violence worse, because it's been getting better accross the board.
What specifically makes it disingenuous?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
I think if anyone is saying that's all that is needed it could be seen that way but often times it is just one aspect among many people would want to take to reduce gun violence.
I don't know the percentage but I believe Boulder/Parkland/LV/Pittsburgh/Sandy Hook/Orlando were all done with a type of assault weapon/rifle I believe to name some of the larger fatality ones (at least 10 deaths). I am not sure % wise but I think the issue with assault weapons specifically is how it is easier to kill more quickly.
Yes and if you want to reduce gun violence banning those types of weapons will do little in that regard because the vast majority of all gun deaths come from gang violence etc which is mainly used with handguns.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
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When maniacs want to kill a lot of people at once, they use an AR-15, not a handgun. You can't kill 20+ people with a knife or a handgun for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Handguns are also a problem, but a different problem. Handguns do kill the most people, but ARs kill the most people at once. You don't need to reload and don't really need to know what you are doing.
If you think this is a good decision, you are a seriously disturbed individual
Wanting to reduce gun death is not something where it all has to be one thing or nothing there are many aspects. One aspect is how easy it is for individuals to kill and injure many many people like in LV and assault weapons are more common in those major incidents as noted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
I mean even just common sense if you want gun control due to danger, the most dangerous guns seem like a solid option. As many note there are at least some reasons to have other types of guns and they are obviously way more common. That so many other guns get used to kill people isn't really the case you think it is against assault weapons given that context but it is an obvious reason we need way more too. We could have a national registry (then we can hit anyone with "illegal" guns moving forward and find out where the ones used are coming from etc), we could have education/training requirements for the permits, required background checks for all purchases and many other things as well. None of this negates the specific dangers from the more deadly weapons or general idea behind also having restrictions on assault weapons though.
The majority of mass shootings are done with hand guns, it's not even close. Semi-automatic guns make it easier to fire more bullets quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
In fact rather paradoxically, if we legalized fully auto guns and banned semi auto, we'd probably have less deaths.
Semi-auto refiles like the AR-15 are far more versatile than hand guns, semi-auto guns like the AR-15 are used far less in killings and mass shootings than handguns.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
But there is no argument for banning the sale of all hand guns.
This doesn’t address my point or anything about it at all other than noting the obvious reason I am making it (makes it easier to fire bullets quickly hence the largest incidents often do use them).Quote:
Originally Posted by ciaban2.0
We will never know but that misses the point as well. A lot of what is done is also based on what is possible in this political landscape (and many in this country would go nuts if we actually took the most overall extreme measures you have to consider hunters/sport and protection etc in this context which is why I asked for the reasoning/need/uses for assault weapons). Outside of that issue, the most dangerous guns due to being able to kill quicker/more and often used in the major incidents (some happening pretty recently) aren’t some thing to completely ignore and it isn’t disingenuous to take action towards them for specific reasons like that.
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Not once in your post do you mention increasing prison sentences for criminals using a fire arm to commit crime. I know that you’re not in California but not only is the legislature making it possible for the early release of approximately 70,000 inmates already convicted of violent crimes, many of which invloved guns, but they also want to do away with enhanced sentencing when criminals use guns to commit their crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
But yeah, keep kicking law abiding citizens in the nads about their support for the 2A
You want cooperation from the gun owning public? Tell Uncle Joe and his lackey O’Roarke to sit down and shut the hell up about the confiscation thing. Denounce the California legislature for giving criminals a pass for using guns to commit crimes. You guys that support gun control are so contradictory in your support of this BS that the legal gun owning public has no choice but to stand in the way of what you propose due to mission creep.
The genie is already out of the bottle, the left has already stated that confiscation is on the table.
You want to get the other side back to the table? Get your dog on a leash first and stop attacking law abiding supporters of the 2A....
I actually agree with this, see the latest actions of the California legislature to do away with enhanced sentencing for those convicted of using a gun to commit a crime...Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
Sometimes natural sentences get too saggy or aren’t even but I enhanced ones can feel unnatural. Right Scoots?Quote:
Originally Posted by corralski
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I didn't mention a lot of things unrelated to my point or what I was responding to. I do not live in CA but that seems like a questionable move to me. I haven't seen anything about letting violent criminals who used guns to commit their crime off like this is probably another reason I did not mention it.Quote:
Originally Posted by corralski
I am not sure what the next part about kicking law abiding citizens in the nads or the left ____ or ranting about those supporting gun control etc. this seems unrelated to my point completely and more a disingenuous attempt to deflect. I would like to denounce the California thing if I actually knew what it was, do you have a link so I can see what it is to denounce it properly?
Anyways though this is 3 responses to a general point being made with what I said to Scoots and literally not one person has addressed my main point or the logic/common sense either in a meaningful way. It has all been deflecting and even ranting a bit like this unrelated to anything. Those wanting to make people out as disingenuous etc. for it often have an agenda and the deflections, but what about unrelated aspects, ranting about left and those who support gun control while never addressing my main point help show that to be the case in reality. People don't have to agree but the basic point/idea behind it isn't really difficult, it takes trying to twist away from it to paint it as disingenuous imo.
https://youtu.be/rU60h9xDfzU
ATF Nominee can't define an assault weapon.
This hit the nail on the head. We were talking about gun control in another thread, and it comes down to conservatives simply do not believe that less guns would reduce violence. They actually think the solution is more guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
You may be closer to the truth than many of us will concede, and I do not think our obsession is restricted to conservatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
It goes without saying that America is, and always has been, a very violent country. But as a nation, we really are genuinely addicted to it.
We love our revolutions, our wars, our lynchings, our riots, our destruction of the environment, our murders, suicides, and mass killings. And we love our various predatory systems: blatant racism, sexism, crony capitalism, all promulgated under the phony banner of constitutional freedom.
The more guns, the greater the violence. The more powerful the guns, the jucier the violence.
And we say ours is a country founded on so-called religious (Christian?) principles.
God, Guns, and Guts Made America Great.
Ha!
Assault weapons don’t have one definition. I believe the one that I’ve most frequently heard is a weapon that can fire multiple shots per trigger impact. But most states have statutes that say an assault weapon is whatever the chief of police or local office determines is one.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
California uses these criteria in addition to any of those already codified.
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2
DC uses the following.
https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council...7-2501.01.html
The NRA has an interesting definition for an assault weapon which is probably more broad than any state legal code definition.
https://www.nraila.org/for-the-press/glossary/
Why could Mr. Chipman not give a proper definition of an assault weapon when asked in his senate confirmation hearing? It appears he is not qualified to be in the position he was appointed to.
Multiple shots per trigger impact would qualify as an automatic weapon. These are banned from private ownership without certain qualifications having been met.
The "multiple rounds per trigger pull" definition is now rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
Well my point was more that there isn’t a real definition. So trying to throw it as a trump card or gotcha in an argument to prevent common sense gun restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Making a horrible situation into something worse.
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You don’t know **** about gunsQuote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
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Ironic because you don't know what a mass shooting is and why its a bad idea to allow assault weapons when mass shootings are increasing year over year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Funny because most mass shootings are used by handguns which again proves you don’t know crap about this topic. Maybe go back to the baseball section and let the adults talk about politicsQuote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
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Yeah so add to the 40% of mass shootings that are done by semi automatic rifles like the AR-15 by enacting legislation that allows for the legalized use of said weapons. More irony with you talking about not knowing crap because I don't think you've made an educated post on any political related topic. Hilarious stuff though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
You should tell more people about how the election was rigged btw.
:laugh2:
I never said the election was rigged. I even said Biden was elected president and Trump supporters should get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
Keep the lies coming though.
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