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The Hawks have not made decisions on restricted free agents Jeff Teague or Ivan Johnson.

GM Danny Ferry eschewed the question by saying "nothing to really say about it," and both players will have their status reevaluated after the draft. "I think we'll get through the draft and then we'll work through the decisions we have to make from there," he said. Teague will all but certainly get a qualifying offer and has a good shot to be re-signed, but Johnson's future is less certain.

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We haven't talked much about Ivan. IMO, he was our best post defender and Drew had no clue how to use him. But he wasn't very consistent on offense. I can see it going either way since he's just a reserve.

Damn, guess CP is going to Clips. Man, we could have high caliber team by adding DH and CP. It's not over til it's over but more likely we're best to rebuild. Build around Horford?

Draft wise I like Plumlee. I've liked Plumlee since he was a freshman. Now that he has developed his game more, I definitely like him now. Not too often you run across a 7'0" that is as athletic as Plumlee. He's played four years against some of the best competition in college hoops. He's battled tested and playing four years for Coach K, I trust his BBIQ is where it needs to be. I just can't give my stamp of approval of a lot of these foreign guys I've never seen play a second of ball..

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Originally Posted by HowFit

Build around Horford?

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I believe Horford is involved in the plans, but not built around. With is more like it. We might see what is there in the trade market, maybe find a potential star player who is having team issues (Cousins), something along those lines, while we still find players through the draft.

With or without Horford, we could still tank for a hopeful #1 draft selection, get someone like Wiggins and then have a good core to build around.

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Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*

I believe Horford is involved in the plans, but not built around. With is more like it. We might see what is there in the trade market, maybe find a potential star player who is having team issues (Cousins), something along those lines, while we still find players through the draft.

With or without Horford, we could still tank for a hopeful #1 draft selection, get someone like Wiggins and then have a good core to build around.

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I'll co-sign. If Al is in the plans it's building with him, not around him. He's a good player, I just don't think you can build a good team around him as the best player. You and I have talked about John Wall for the last 2 years. If CP3 is staying. John would be number 1 on my wish list. The problem is that would likely cost us Horford in trade.

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17. Atlanta Hawks: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Greece, 6'9'', PG/SF




With two first-round picks, the Hawks should look to make a splash with one and play it safe with the other.

Consider Giannis Antetokounmpo their splash pick, a prospect who offers loads of upside as a 6'9'' ball-handler. He's also a draft-and-stash candidate, which means Atlanta can save some money for their free-agent efforts.

Antetokounmpo recently drew a crowd in Italy when he suited up for Greece's Under-20 national team just a short drive from Adidas Eurocamp. His ability to create off the dribble for a wing his size has captivated those searching for the next big thing.

Over the past few months, the upside he's flashed has generated a lot of attention from the NBA folks. He's not ready, but Antetokounmpo has unique upside if he's ever able to reach it.

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18. Atlanta Hawks (via Houston): Mason Plumlee, Duke, 7'0'', C


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If the Hawks can grab an upside pick at No. 17, they should look to grab a guaranteed contributor at No 18.

Mason Plumlee is one of the surer bets in the class and fills a need for Atlanta's shallow frontcourt.

At 7'0'', he's a strong rebounder and play-finisher above the rim off lobs, dump-offs or tip-ins.

Plumlee isn't much of a one-on-one threat, but he's a guy who can make plays off the ball without having his number called.

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If the draft falls like this, I'll be okay with it.

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Just to play along though and give some of the Howard/Smith fans some hope, maybe Rondo can be had for Horford.

Honestly, if we are tanking. I would tank with Horford on the team than without him. If we get Wiggins, with Horford would be a great rebuilding duo. Without him, we would then just have Wiggins and be in a situation that guys like Irving, Love, and any other star rookie has been in with no help on a rebuilding team.

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I've read and posted plenty about Josh and DH's friendship and about Josh and Rondo's friendship, However I have not read anything about Rondo and DH. Not saying they aren't tight, I jaust haven't seen anything about it. However very interesting angle. IMHO in order to pull the trigger on that trade since it would likely cost you AL and you are trading for someone who is injured, I would need DH and Smith to commit before I pulled the trigger. From a Boston point of view, They should jump all over sending Rondo and a 1rst round pick for Horford. I don't know that we could get a deal done not involving Al being that we have plenty of cap space but nothing else.

Does anyone know how many picks the Hawks have in next year's draft?

Horford is definitely a Robin to someones Batman, but I see him in the Hawks future as most of you do unless there is somekind of deal to get a young stud that requires Horford (although few and far between). I'd be fine with the Hawks trading up or staying put Ferry seems to be very measured and confident in whatever plan he has, even though nothing has been reviled to this point. I have the same feeling I do as with Thomas Dimitroff heading into a draft and IMO thats a good thing. Get a potential guy and get a solid contributor guy in the draft and then make a couple of free agent moves and go from there.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/atlanta_hawks

Check it out rumors of moving into the Top 5...

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Originally Posted by SluggeR

Draft wise I like Plumlee. I've liked Plumlee since he was a freshman. Now that he has developed his game more, I definitely like him now. Not too often you run across a 7'0" that is as athletic as Plumlee. He's played four years against some of the best competition in college hoops. He's battled tested and playing four years for Coach K, I trust his BBIQ is where it needs to be. I just can't give my stamp of approval of a lot of these foreign guys I've never seen play a second of ball..

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As much as I hate hate HATE Duke players, there's no denying Plumlee is a beast and I agree with everything u just said 100%. him and Horford would work great together, possibly get Horford at the 4 where he should be. I've never been too high on the foreign players, and a lot of mocks I see have us taking Olynyk from gonzaga, I'd rather have Plumlee than him.


I just wish we could've gotten CP & DH but instead we'll do what we always do, spend money on mediocre players to save face and we'll stay in nba purgatory for years to come...

Anyone think josh will go to LA? Either lakers or clippers? Houston has the money but I doubt it. if Dwight stays a Laker (since the clips would have to sign n trade and I don't see them giving up Blake) I could see Josh there with him holding it down til Kobe is back healthy... Now that's bea nice "big 3" Kobe, Dwight, Josh

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Originally Posted by HulkHorford15

Check it out rumors of moving into the Top 5...

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If it's that high, I'll take Oladipo, Porter, Burke, or McCollum.

There are reports of most teams picking bottom 1st desperately looking to trade out of the 1st altogether. Hawks might be able to dangle their two 2nd rounders to move back into the 1st if Ferry works some magic.

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Originally Posted by ATL-ALL-DAY

As much as I hate hate HATE Duke players, there's no denying Plumlee is a beast and I agree with everything u just said 100%. him and Horford would work great together, possibly get Horford at the 4 where he should be. I've never been too high on the foreign players, and a lot of mocks I see have us taking Olynyk from gonzaga, I'd rather have Plumlee than him.


I just wish we could've gotten CP & DH but instead we'll
do what we always do, spend money on mediocre players to save face and we'll stay in nba purgatory for years to come...

Anyone think josh will go to LA? Either lakers or clippers? Houston has the money but I doubt it. if Dwight stays a Laker (since the clips would have to sign n trade and I don't see them giving up Blake) I could see Josh there with him holding it down til Kobe is back healthy... Now that's bea nice "big 3" Kobe, Dwight, Josh

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Its not life we're trading for Paul and Howard. We.can throw all the marbles at them. If they rather team up somewhere else instead of ATL, thats no ones fault. We can't make them sign. We cant have the prefect player at every opening in the starting 5, so whatever players we sign will have a downside to them. So whoever passes up Al Jeff because of his weak defense, Oj Mayo because of his inconsistent play, or Monta ellis because he shoots first is obviously hoping for Kobe or Derrick Rose to join us. There are no complete players on the market. We can still build a very good team with Teague and Horford as the corner stones.

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Originally Posted by Bravo95

If it's that high, I'll take Oladipo, Porter, Burke, or McCollum.

There are reports of most teams picking bottom 1st desperately looking to trade out of the 1st altogether. Hawks might be able to dangle their two 2nd rounders to move back into the 1st if Ferry works some magic.

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Burke would be cool. Good backup to Teague to start out. If we can move inside 15, KCP from UGA is a very hood SG option. Remember, Lou won't realistically be back until December maybe, and that's being generous. So we definitely need a starting SG, through FA, or the draft.

Are we doing a sign and trade with Josh? I was hoping we would get something for him...

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Originally Posted by HulkHorford15

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/atlanta_hawks

Check it out rumors of moving into the Top 5...

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Just read about them and was about to post it myself.

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The Atlanta Hawks are dangling their two first-round picks for trade in hopes of moving up in Thursday's NBA draft, possibly as high as the top five, sources tell Yahoo! Sports. The Hawks have the 17th and 18th first-round selections and the 47th overall in the second round. Atlanta has had trade conversations with at least one team picking in the top five, a source said. Yahoo! Sports

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After being hired three days before the draft last year, Hawks general manager Danny Ferry has had more time to prepare and make inquiries for this draft. The Hawks also are intrigued by UCLA small forward Shabazz Muhammad, a source said. Yahoo! Sports

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While I think Shabazz is a no-brainer at 17, If we are able to get into the top 5 Ben or Noel (depending on if they are still on the board) are the guys I would want! Shabazz or MCW wouldn't be bad though. Exciting news either way.

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Gery Woelfel: The Hawks, with 2 mid-first rounders, will bring back Jamaal Franklin Tuesday for a second workout. Twitter @GeryWoelfel

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Originally Posted by HowFit

Are we doing a sign and trade with Josh? I was hoping we would get something for him...

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Unless he's going to Houston, Dallas, Cle or Sac any other team would have to make major moves to get him or S&T with us.

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Originally Posted by HulkHorford15

Horford is definitely a Robin to someones Batman

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He is a #3 option at most, same goes for Josh when his head is on straight. Either guy can get you to the playoffs as "the man", but neither is good enough to beat a contender in the 1st round. (If we're measuring them against recent title teams, that is.) I've been saying that for years.

If we're measuring them against the '04 Pistons or current Pacers, I'd suggest fans sit back and prepare for a long tough rebuild like DET and IND had to endure to build the depth needed to go toe to toe with the top teams.

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Originally Posted by SB75

in order to pull the trigger on that trade since it would likely cost you AL and you are trading for someone who is injured, I would need DH and Smith to commit before I pulled the trigger.

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Yeah this is what I had in mind. No way would I trade Horford for Rondo until everyone (Howard mostly) has signed.

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Originally Posted by Bravo95

If it's that high, I'll take Oladipo, Porter, Burke, or McCollum.

There are reports of most teams picking bottom 1st desperately looking to trade out of the 1st altogether. Hawks might be able to dangle their two 2nd rounders to move back into the 1st if Ferry works some magic.

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Agree with the bold.

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Originally Posted by SB75

While I think Shabazz is a no-brainer at 17, If we are able to get into the top 5 Ben or Noel (depending on if they are still on the board) are the guys I would want! Shabazz or MCW wouldn't be bad though. Exciting news either way.

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I would even pick Shabazz if we move up to about 10. In the top 5, Noel if he is there, I like Oladipo as well. Oladipo could be a great high energy guy on a Spurs-like vision team along with Horford. Next year's draft could get us the star to go along those 2.

As much as I like Teague (and believe he will atleast be our PG 1 more year), I believe we need to find an upgrade if there is a star to be had at the PG position in the 2014 draft (if we miss out on the top prospects).

Mclemore would be my first choice...Im also a fan of, Noel, Muhammed, Bennett, burke, oladipo and KCP..I feel like all of these guys will be good players in the league.

We need to package both picks and get in the top 5...Horford, Teague, and our first round pick is a good start to build around, imo..

I read on another forum that when Jamaal Franklin comes back in for another workout that Shabazz will be there as well. Maybe Ferry wants to see these 2 go at it, and decide if he should trade up for Shabazz or stay put.

Shabazz has struggled alot in college but he is a great offensive weapon from what I saw, and could still be potentially a star. So in a weaker draft such as this one, I would move up to anywhere to take him.

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Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*

Yeah this is what I had in mind. No way would I trade Horford for Rondo until everyone (Howard mostly) has signed.

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We are in agreement. That pick that came along with Rondo would have to be un-protected for me as well. As for Boston that would be a good start to a re-building team. Horford and Green at the 3 and 4 along with Avery at the 1 or 2.

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Originally Posted by westside

Burke would be cool. Good backup to Teague to start out. If we can move inside 15, KCP from UGA is a very hood SG option. Remember, Lou won't realistically be back until December maybe, and that's being generous. So we definitely need a starting SG, through FA, or the draft.

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If I drafted anyone that high, that player is starting from Day 1, especially a PG. In that scenario, I might let JT walk, do S&T, or trade Lou. Otherwise that would be 3 scoring guards here battling for minutes and the ball. Too many other holes to fill.

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Originally Posted by ATL_Representa

Mclemore would be my first choice...Im also a fan of, Noel, Muhammed, Bennett, burke, oladipo and KCP..I feel like all of these guys will be good players in the league.

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Where you been man? Agree with the bold. I like KCP but if we move up in the top 5, I would not draft him that high. I have not seen enough of the other 3.

Wasn't Shabazz a "Cant Miss" prospect coming out of high school?

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Originally Posted by SB75

Where you been man? Agree with the bold. I like KCP but if we move up in the top 5, I would not draft him that high. I have not seen enough of the other 3.

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I been around..lol...Im back now though!

I believe when its all said and done KCP will be one of the best players out of this draft..Dude can straight light it up from anywhere on the court!

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Originally Posted by SB75

Where you been man? Agree with the bold. I like KCP but if we move up in the top 5, I would not draft him that high. I have not seen enough of the other 3.

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I been around..lol...Im back now though!

I believe when its all said and done KCP will be one of the best players out of this draft..Dude can straight light it up from anywhere on the court!

Noel could be the steal of the draft if he isn't #1. IMO, he never shown any weaknesses that has all these other players dropping, it's just the injury being the main concern. But say if we draft him and he isn't ready until mid-season, so what? That helps our tanking season.

Think of having a frontcourt of Wiggins/Horford/Noel 2 seasons from now.

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Originally Posted by Bravo95

If I drafted anyone that high, that player is starting from Day 1, especially a PG. In that scenario, I might let JT walk, do S&T, or trade Lou. Otherwise that would be 3 scoring guards here battling for minutes and the ball. Too many other holes to fill.

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+1! If the Hawks go pg in the top 5, JT's days are numbered. I like Lou off the bench and excepts and excels in that role, he's also from here. It would be very hard for me to trade him and sign JT to an ext. Lou makes about 5 mil, JT is going to get more than that. I think the only way Ferry trades Lou is to get or make room for a star.

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Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*

Noel could be the steal if the draft if we isn't #1. IMO, he never shown any weaknesses that has all these other players dropping, it's just the injury being the main concern. But say if we draft him and he isn't ready until mid-season, so what? That helps our tanking season.

Think of having a frontcourt of Wiggins/Horford/Noel 2 seasons from now.

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Horford, Wiggins and Noel would be a dream come true.

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Originally Posted by ATL_Representa

I been around..lol...Im back now though!

I believe when its all said and done KCP will be one of the best players out of this draft..Dude can straight light it up from anywhere on the court!

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I think he will be a very good player, I wouldn't mind him on the Hawks. I just think he's a reach for the top 5. Now If Ferry is sold on him, hey, do what it do baby. I just wouldn't take him that high.

Wiggins and Jabari Parker will be stars...When the times comes we better do whatever it takes to get one of them, so we can finally have a superstar to fill the arena.

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Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*

As much as I like Teague (and believe he will atleast be our PG 1 more year)

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I think they can gamble on give him a 1-year qualifying offer, but that could backfire if he has a big year next season and he'd be able to name his price and leave the Hawks in '14 with no way to retain him. The incentive for the Hawks is they would get to see what he's capable of with Bud for one full season before deciding if he's the long term answer.

Trading up just screams Trey Burke to me, and I'll be fine with that too, as we need an upgrade at PG.

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Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*

Noel could be the steal of the draft if he isn't #1. IMO, he never shown any weaknesses that has all these other players dropping, it's just the injury being the main concern.

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Well, he has no offensive game. No post moves, outside shot, anything. And he'll be a power forward in the NBA, not big/heavy enough to play center, otherwise any team taking him is betting that he becomes a skinny Ben Wallace. That's a hell of a risk IMO, but that's why those scouts and GMs make the big bucks.

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Originally Posted by Bravo95

Well, he has no offensive game. No post moves, outside shot, anything. And he'll be a power forward in the NBA, not big/heavy enough to play center, otherwise any team taking him is betting that he becomes a skinny Ben Wallace. That's a hell of a risk IMO, but that's why those scouts and GMs make the big bucks.

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I don't know about him having none of those things. However he is very raw offensively. He's also very, very quick, and athletic and already gets it defensively. While it would be a risk, it's a star level risk. Skinny Ben Wallace? Never herd that comparison, the kid has more tools than ben ever had. While I do agree he'll have to play the 4 most nights this coming season and again he is very raw offensively, I think you may be under selling the kids talents a bit. If he's there when the Hawks move up, they should take him.