Brady Did This

Tom Brady is responsible for all of the Quarterback turmoil in the NFL

A 43 year old guy switches teams and takes a sub .500 team to the Superbowl

Once everyone saw that, anything is possible

Three of the other top five QB's immediately want to change teams:
Watson 27 who was on a bad team
Rogers 36 who was in the NFC title game
Wilson 31 who was on a contender
Suddenly all of them were unhappy with management and wanted to leave.
Not a coincidence, if Brady could do it, so can they.

But it didn't stop there, every team is now going, why am i sticking with this non superbowl winner on my team? I want to do better. If Brady can win a super bowl with a sub .500 team imagine what we can do with our team if we get rid of the guy we have.

And these ridiculous QB contracts that are lead weights around a team's salary cap don't seem to be stopping anybody any more.

Stafford - LA
Garoppolo - San Francisco
Goff - Detroit
Trubisky and Foles - The Bears - maybe Fields is the answer
Wentz - The Eagles
Darnold - The Jets
The Colts are rolling the dice with Wentz
Carolina - the Panthers are rolling the dice with Darnold

It's a frenzy. Patience is a thing of the past. I want to win and I want to win now. Brady did it, so can we.

Do the Raiders move off of Carr?
Does Denver seriously want to stay with Lock? There's a lot of talent there being wasted.
Do the Steelers really want to run it again with Roethlisberger when there's guys like Rogers, Wilson and Watson that could put them over the top?
Is Baker Mayfield worth keeping in Cleveland if you could get one of these guys?
What does New Orleans do if Jameis remains a turnover machine?
What does Philly do when Hurts fails?
What does Miami do when Tua fails?
How long will Lamar Jackson, who is really just a glorified running back, last in Baltimore with all the pounding he is taking?
What if Kyler Murray has reached his NFL ceiling? He's very small.

Who will be behind center for each team when the 2021 season starts?
I wouldn't even try to guess 2022.

Neat.


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I wanna say correlation doesn't equal causation but this isn't even correlation.

If trolling - I tip my hat to you, sir.

Same with New England how long does Cam stay as the starter? Before other teams come knocking?

If this is a joke you need to get a life
If this is serious then we have a strong candidate for dumbest post of the year

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Originally Posted by BSF101

Same with New England how long does Cam stay as the starter? Before other teams come knocking?

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Knocking for what another awful qb?


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Knocking for what another awful qb?



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Your acting like this team as No QBs.

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Originally Posted by BSF101

Your acting like this team as No QBs.

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The patriots have qbs two of them suck and one is a rookie. No one is calling for any of them.


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Originally Posted by bledrules

If this is a joke you need to get a life
If this is serious then we have a strong candidate for dumbest post of the year

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You honestly think that Brady moving to a bad Tampa club and bringing them a Super Bowl has had no effect on quarterback movement this off season? Really?

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Originally Posted by ortforshort

You honestly think that Brady moving to a bad Tampa club and bringing them a Super Bowl has had no effect on quarterback movement this off season? Really?

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The Bucs weren't a bad team though. They went 7-9 with a QB who averaged 2 turnovers per game.

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Originally Posted by QB_Eagles

The Bucs weren't a bad team though. They went 7-9 with a QB who averaged 2 turnovers per game.

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If brady wasn’t there the Bucs probably don’t break .500.
The point of this is that Brady’s move showed the NFL what a difference a good QB can do. Now everyone is Super motivated to get one.
No way this is a coincidence.

So teams weren’t trying to get good QBs before?


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Originally Posted by warfelg

So teams weren’t trying to get good QBs before?


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Everyone has been emboldened by the Brady successful move.

Until this year, Belichick was getting the lions share of the credit for New England's success.
Not now, it's the QB that is what makes things go as of Brady's big win.
Guys like Watson, Wilson and Rogers immediately started making their moves.
It's been a whole paradigm shift. The great QB's now have all the power.
Until this year, the front offices and coaches were the big stars. No more, now it's the QB's
If I'm Watson, Wilson or Rogers, I now hold the power. If I don't like it where I am, I'm leaving and now everyone knows things will collapse if I don't get what I want.

And you can see the shift since Brady's big win in front offices.
Suddenly it's screw the cap, I need the QB.
Stafford to the Rams is the perfect example.
The 49ers - we need a better QB and we need it now
There's a frenzy.
We've never seen things this volatile.

I'll admit it started to really percolate last year.
But one of the big reasons things started to rumble was that Brady was leaving New England.
No one believed it until it happened. It was a shock
And then, he takes a perennial doormat and leads them to the Superbowl - and beats Mahomes to win it! All while Belichick has an unheard of losing season.

I cant believe any football fan could honestly say that the impact of Brady's win hasn't been enormous on what's going on right now.

There are, of course, other factors to the volatility
NFL offenses are becoming more college-like
This means you can more easily plug and play guys right out of college.
You couldn't do that just a couple of years ago when your QB's had to be statues in the pocket.

It also means there's a lot more supply and a lot more options for teams to select from

And, it also means that more QB's are going to get hurt and last a lot less longer - that's what happens to guys who run in the NFL.

But because there's more supply coming out every year, QB's are more expendable and easy to move.

Except for the great ones. The guys who can turn your team into a legitmate contender from mediocrity.
The guy who proved it was Brady. The guys who we now think can do it, because of Brady's success, are Watson, Wilson and Rogers. Their value has just skyrocketed and they know it.

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Originally Posted by ortforshort

If brady wasn’t there the Bucs probably don’t break .500.
The point of this is that Brady’s move showed the NFL what a difference a good QB can do. Now everyone is Super motivated to get one.
No way this is a coincidence.

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Brady definitely elevated that team and they most likely don’t win the super bowl without him, however, the Bucs were not a bad team and still probably make it to the playoffs.

All Brady proved is that good QB play is important which pretty much everyone already knew.

Winston was a bad and turnover prone QB, you put a more conservative QB on that team and they would still have been contenders.


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This is...

Weird.

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2021 and a fan learns the impact of a QB.

Of all the hills “to die on” using Brady moving means NFL teams understand the impact of the QB is the worst one to be on.


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You guys are acting like I'm saying that no one knew the importance of quarterback play until Brady won the superbowl.

Not saying that.

What I am saying is that people sure have short memories.

Last year at this time nobody thought Tampa would do anything with or without Brady and nobody thought New England would collapse because Belichick was a genius.

It's a whole new narrative now. Belichick is out trying to re-establish his legacy and Brady has taken his value to a new level. And the value of all of the top QB's. We didn't see guys like Watson, Wilson and Rogers dictating their terms to owners, a la Lebron and KD, until this offseason. You all seem to think it's a coincidence. It's not.

As much as QB's were valued before Brady's superbowl, it's moreso now.
How can it not be?
No one seriously thought the NFL could ever be like the NBA where one guy, a quarterback not a coach, can transform a team from an also ran to a super bowl champ, but it happened,
In the past, it was felt a QB could only take a true contender and put it over the top. Brady's changed that.

All of this talk about Tampa not being a bad team and all of that.
The odds were a zillion to one of Tampa winning the super bowl, then Brady happened and they won it. People aren't picking nits like you guys are "well they were really a good team that just happened to lose a lot".

Brady transformed a moribund franchise into a super bowl champ and that has changed everything. Short memories. Just think back to last year at this time.

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Originally Posted by ortforshort

You guys are acting like I'm saying that no one knew the importance of quarterback play until Brady won the superbowl.

Not saying that.

What I am saying is that people sure have short memories.

Last year at this time nobody thought Tampa would do anything with or without Brady and nobody thought New England would collapse because Belichick was a genius.

It's a whole new narrative now. Belichick is out trying to re-establish his legacy and Brady has taken his value to a new level. And the value of all of the top QB's. We didn't see guys like Watson, Wilson and Rogers dictating their terms to owners, a la Lebron and KD, until this offseason. You all seem to think it's a coincidence. It's not.

As much as QB's were valued before Brady's superbowl, it's moreso now.
How can it not be?
No one seriously thought the NFL could ever be like the NBA where one guy, a quarterback not a coach, can transform a team from an also ran to a super bowl champ, but it happened,
In the past, it was felt a QB could only take a true contender and put it over the top. Brady's changed that.

All of this talk about Tampa not being a bad team and all of that.
The odds were a zillion to one of Tampa winning the super bowl, then Brady happened and they won it. People aren't picking nits like you guys are "well they were really a good team that just happened to lose a lot".

Brady transformed a moribund franchise into a super bowl champ and that has changed everything. Short memories. Just think back to last year at this time.

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My first post when Brady signed with TB was “Bucs nfccg minimum”.

Hey guys when you replace a 30td/30int QB with a 40td/12int qb it makes your team better and you could possibly win a super bowl if your opponent loses both starting tackles to injury.

Brady did not demand to be traded, his contract was over and he picked his new team.

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Originally Posted by ortforshort

You guys are acting like I'm saying that no one knew the importance of quarterback play until Brady won the superbowl.

Not saying that.

What I am saying is that people sure have short memories.

Last year at this time nobody thought Tampa would do anything with or without Brady and nobody thought New England would collapse because Belichick was a genius.

It's a whole new narrative now. Belichick is out trying to re-establish his legacy and Brady has taken his value to a new level. And the value of all of the top QB's. We didn't see guys like Watson, Wilson and Rogers dictating their terms to owners, a la Lebron and KD, until this offseason. You all seem to think it's a coincidence. It's not.

As much as QB's were valued before Brady's superbowl, it's moreso now.
How can it not be?
No one seriously thought the NFL could ever be like the NBA where one guy, a quarterback not a coach, can transform a team from an also ran to a super bowl champ, but it happened,
In the past, it was felt a QB could only take a true contender and put it over the top. Brady's changed that.

All of this talk about Tampa not being a bad team and all of that.
The odds were a zillion to one of Tampa winning the super bowl, then Brady happened and they won it. People aren't picking nits like you guys are "well they were really a good team that just happened to lose a lot".

Brady transformed a moribund franchise into a super bowl champ and that has changed everything. Short memories. Just think back to last year at this time.

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If you actually look through the discussions regarding “how this will affect Brady and Belichick” on the very forum you’re posting this topic on, you’d see that in fact no one thought the things you’re saying they thought.


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Originally Posted by Nunuu

Hey guys when you replace a 30td/30int QB with a 40td/12int qb it makes your team better and you could possibly win a super bowl if your opponent loses both starting tackles to injury.

Brady did not demand to be traded, his contract was over and he picked his new team.

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A team that had an extremely good offensive coach and offensive talent.

Not sure why this guy is acting like this was some scrub team.


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I recall reading more than once that Russell Wilson, sitting in the Commissioners Box during this past Super Bowl (receiving Man of the Year Award or something,) quietly stewed watching Brady hoist his 7th Lombardi. With his own hand-picked players scoring every TD in the game. Then a couple weeks later he tells Dan Patrick he'd like to be part of the construction of the team. A week later he announces 4 teams he's like to play for if not Seattle.
If you think Tom Brady played no part in Russ doing a 180 on the Seahawks you're flat-out high.

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I recall reading more than once that Russell Wilson, sitting in the Commissioners Box during this past Super Bowl (receiving Man of the Year Award or something,) quietly stewed watching Brady hoist his 7th Lombardi. With his own hand-picked players scoring every TD in the game. Then a couple weeks later he tells Dan Patrick he'd like to be part of the construction of the team. A week later he announces 4 teams he's like to play for if not Seattle.
If you think Tom Brady played no part in Russ doing a 180 on the Seahawks you're flat-out high.

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The difference is if you put the ball in Brady's hands he wins super bowls. When they tried to force the Ball to Russ he lost the super bowl and the team. They never recovered from that. Top 10 qbs who have never had a MVP vote don't get that kind of power. russ can go cry in the corner.

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A team that had an extremely good offensive coach and offensive talent.

Not sure why this guy is acting like this was some scrub team.


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I'm not acting like it's some sort of a scrub team, Watson, Wilson and Rogers are.

If you care to look, you'll see that the big gripe all three of them have is that they don't have a say in what is going on.

As far as the good offensive coach part, Tampa was going nowhere doing it Arians' way. As soon as he capitulated to Brady's way, they were unbeatable.

That's what Watson, Wilson and Rogers all know and it's what they want.
Brady's super bowl win caused all that - that the great QBs need to take things much more into their own hands in order to win.
Brady's win has empowered quarterbacks, at least in their minds, in a way that just wasn't there before.

None of these guys would be doing any of this if any of them thought that Tampa had a superbowl ready team that just needed the play of a good QB. Nobody believes the narrative you guys are trying to peddle that Tampa was just the play of a good QB away from winning a superbowl. You need to back off from that because nobody is buying it. Certainly not Watson, Wilson or Rodgers or they wouldn't be behaving the way they are right now.

They now believe that a good QB also needs a lot more power within an organization not only to play well but to mold it and transform it into a superbowl winner, as well. Huge paradigm shift caused by Brady's win.

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If you actually look through the discussions regarding “how this will affect Brady and Belichick” on the very forum you’re posting this topic on, you’d see that in fact no one thought the things you’re saying they thought.


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Fair enough. I didn't look at that forum. Maybe it was just my perception.

It always seemed to me that the general perception was that Belichick got most of the credit for New England's success and that Brady was a good QB who thrived in the system Belichick created.

And that after Brady won in Tampa, the perception changed from Brady being lucky to be in Belichicks system, it now was that Belichick was lucky to have Brady as his QB all of those years.

That was my perception and what I thought the general perception was, as well.

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Breaking news:
2021 and a fan learns the impact of a QB.

Of all the hills “to die on” using Brady moving means NFL teams understand the impact of the QB is the worst one to be on.


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It won't matter much if I die on this hill.

But up here with me are Watson, Wilson and Rogers who all now think that they should have Brady-like influence in whatever organization they end up in. They seem to think it's a hill worth dying on and it wouldn't have happened if Brady hadn't taken Tampa from nowhere to the superbowl last year.

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It won't matter much if I die on this hill.

But up here with me are Watson, Wilson and Rogers who all now think that they should have Brady-like influence in whatever organization they end up in. They seem to think it's a hill worth dying on and it wouldn't have happened if Brady hadn't taken Tampa from nowhere to the superbowl last year.

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Originally Posted by ortforshort

As far as the good offensive coach part, Tampa was going nowhere doing it Arians' way. As soon as he capitulated to Brady's way, they were unbeatable.

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Well, they were beaten 5 times. And again, "Arians' way" was going 7-9 with a QB who committed 2 turnovers a game. We have know way of knowing but I think they would have been a very good team with any Top 10 QB.

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It won't matter much if I die on this hill.

But up here with me are Watson, Wilson and Rogers who all now think that they should have Brady-like influence in whatever organization they end up in. They seem to think it's a hill worth dying on and it wouldn't have happened if Brady hadn't taken Tampa from nowhere to the superbowl last year.

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Well, they were beaten 5 times. And again, "Arians' way" was going 7-9 with a QB who committed 2 turnovers a game. We have know way of knowing but I think they would have been a very good team with any Top 10 QB.

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The question is not whether Tampa would have been a good team, whatever that means, if they had a good quarterback.

The question is how the league has reacted to Brady taking that team to a super bowl and winning it.

The league has obviously reacted very strongly. You've got three of the top five QBs in the league making power plays on their owners and management. You've got the trickle down effect of having such instability at the top of the QB pile which has caused massive turbulence in the QB waters this offseason. Brady's influence cannot be factored out of these happenings, in fact, he's had the major influence in it.

The NFL QB game has now gotten very similar to the NBA superstar game overnight.
Brady = LeBron - where they go, championships follow - only Brady doesn't get hurt
Mahomes = Steph - two magicians who don't need to change teams to display their greatness, they already have
KD, Harden, Kawhi = Watson, Wilson, Rogers - the Brady, LeBron wannabes where KD, Harden and Kawhi have already used the power and now Watson, Wilson and Rogers want to use it. Wouldn't be happening if Brady hadn't done what he did.

The first and the last of these three similarities are something new this offseason.
And you guys are trying to insist that Brady winning the SuperBowl with Tampa had nothing to do with that.

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The question is not whether Tampa would have been a good team, whatever that means, if they had a good quarterback.

The question is how the league has reacted to Brady taking that team to a super bowl and winning it.

The league has obviously reacted very strongly. You've got three of the top five QBs in the league making power plays on their owners and management. You've got the trickle down effect of having such instability at the top of the QB pile which has caused massive turbulence in the QB waters this offseason. Brady's influence cannot be factored out of these happenings, in fact, he's had the major influence in it.

The NFL QB game has now gotten very similar to the NBA superstar game overnight.
Brady = LeBron - where they go, championships follow - only Brady doesn't get hurt
Mahomes = Steph - two magicians who don't need to change teams to display their greatness, they already have
KD, Harden, Kawhi = Watson, Wilson, Rogers - the Brady, LeBron wannabes where KD, Harden and Kawhi have already used the power and now Watson, Wilson and Rogers want to use it. Wouldn't be happening if Brady hadn't done what he did.

The first and the last of these three similarities are something new this offseason.
And you guys are trying to insist that Brady winning the SuperBowl with Tampa had nothing to do with that.

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If anyone is the trendsetter here it's LeVeon Bell. He actually sat out a year to be released.

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If anyone is the trendsetter here it's LeVeon Bell. He actually sat out a year to be released.

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So we'll mark you down on the coincidence side of the ledger for what's going on with these three guys

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If anyone is the trendsetter here it's LeVeon Bell. He actually sat out a year to be released.

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There was also what VJax did before him, despite not changing teams Drew Brees threatened stuff if he was tagged, and for ****s sake we all forget that CARSON PALMER RETIRED to get traded.

Definitely feels like Brady has empowered other top tier QBs to hound management for say in personnel. OP grouped a lot of other circumstances in with that though. Oakland and Carr, Baker and CLE, etc. - none of those scenarios have anything to do with Brady at all. It’s pretty limited to the Rodgers and Russ situations as far as Brady’s “influence”.

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The question is not whether Tampa would have been a good team, whatever that means, if they had a good quarterback.

The question is how the league has reacted to Brady taking that team to a super bowl and winning it.

The league has obviously reacted very strongly. You've got three of the top five QBs in the league making power plays on their owners and management. You've got the trickle down effect of having such instability at the top of the QB pile which has caused massive turbulence in the QB waters this offseason. Brady's influence cannot be factored out of these happenings, in fact, he's had the major influence in it.

The NFL QB game has now gotten very similar to the NBA superstar game overnight.
Brady = LeBron - where they go, championships follow - only Brady doesn't get hurt
Mahomes = Steph - two magicians who don't need to change teams to display their greatness, they already have
KD, Harden, Kawhi = Watson, Wilson, Rogers - the Brady, LeBron wannabes where KD, Harden and Kawhi have already used the power and now Watson, Wilson and Rogers want to use it. Wouldn't be happening if Brady hadn't done what he did.

The first and the last of these three similarities are something new this offseason.
And you guys are trying to insist that Brady winning the SuperBowl with Tampa had nothing to do with that.

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Please don't compare Brady to LBJ
Brady is the goat LBJ isn't
LBJ is a racist lump Brady isn't
LBJ loses more championships than he wins Brady doesn't
LBJ takes a dump on the fans of former teams Brady wasn't offered a contract

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Definitely feels like Brady has empowered other top tier QBs to hound management for say in personnel. OP grouped a lot of other circumstances in with that though. Oakland and Carr, Baker and CLE, etc. - none of those scenarios have anything to do with Brady at all. It’s pretty limited to the Rodgers and Russ situations as far as Brady’s “influence”.

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Even then I see more commentary from guys on the effect LeBron had on it than Brady.

And let’s not act like QBs have never asked FOs for anything. Remember when CRappaport kept reporting Ben wanted traded because the Steelers weren’t drafting OL?


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There was also what VJax did before him, despite not changing teams Drew Brees threatened stuff if he was tagged, and for ****s sake we all forget that CARSON PALMER RETIRED to get traded.

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Those were one-offs.
The exceptions prove the rule - being able to cite all of the rare one-off times it's happened in the past proves that something unique is going on now where its suddenly happening a lot.

It's like saying that smoking doesn't cause cancer because your uncle Bob smoked three packs a day and lived 'till he was ninety.

The rule being that suddenly, outside of Mahomes, we've got every top QB wanting to get traded because they don't have Brady-like power within their organizations and are now demanding to leave because of it. Nobody wants their input into any decisions within their organization while Brady got input with his organization and won a super bowl.

But, as you guys are saying, there's nothing here, we should just move on from this.

Philip Rivers literally did the same thing during the same off-season lol.

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Well, they were beaten 5 times. And again, "Arians' way" was going 7-9 with a QB who committed 2 turnovers a game. We have know way of knowing but I think they would have been a very good team with any Top 10 QB.

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People also are choosing to forget they almost lost to the 7-9 WFT with a bum 3rd string QB in the WC round. And could've lost to GB if Rodgers could've mustered one TD in 4 drives at the end.

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Philip Rivers literally did the same thing during the same off-season lol.



People also are choosing to forget they almost lost to the 7-9 WFT with a bum 3rd string QB in the WC round. And could've lost to GB if Rodgers could've mustered one TD in 4 drives at the end.

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All true. Plus the saints would of probably won if not for a dropped pass.

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So we'll mark you down on the coincidence side of the ledger for what's going on with these three guys

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No, mark me down as LeVeon Bell inspiring these QBs to want to try and leave their teams.