Cleveland takes home the win on this one, but PFF lists the next best OLs as:
- Patriots
- Packers
- Ram
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-awards-...ie-of-the-year
Interesting that Cam, Rodgers and Goff got so much help this year, to varying effect.
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Cleveland takes home the win on this one, but PFF lists the next best OLs as:
- Patriots
- Packers
- Ram
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-awards-...ie-of-the-year
Interesting that Cam, Rodgers and Goff got so much help this year, to varying effect.
but wait... per the cam lovers the OLINE WAS TRASH???????????????????????????????? and per the rodgers haters their oline was god tier.......... I am so ****ing confused right now. CAM HAD NO HELP :laugh:
yea rodgers makes his Oline and cam cant play behind even the best oline.... who is shoscked? not me. MBC incoming about to say LIES/SLANDER/BS cam had no help/worst team ever... dude cant make reads and cant throw passes beyond 5 yards lmfao 25 mill a year per my dude though amirite?
and wait... kelce got best offensive player of the year and best reciever of the year while mahomes didnt win MVP with the best weapon in the game in hill???????????????????? YET HE IS BETTER THAN RODGERS AND THE MVP PER WELL YOU GUYS KNOW? LMFAO :laugh:
put mahomes on the packers they are a 10-6 at best team... rodgers on the chiefs 15-1 or 16-0 easily and probably go undefeated.
you ignored that mahomes YOUR mvp has the best offensive player and best wideout even though he has hill the best weapon?????????????????????????????????????? congrats trying to further **** on rodgers which you are known for all while further making his case... Give me the stats where rodgers rolls out compared to cam/baker/goff and then lets talk Olines.. my godQuote:
Originally Posted by Bullseyed
let me take this one step further
PASS-BLOCKER OF THE YEAR: DAVID BAKHTIARI, GREEN BAY PACKERS
how did the top defense do with him done for the year against the packers Oline missing the best pass block of the year?????????????????????????? yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa like i said put us behind rodgers and my dude finds a way... its what mvps do. Enjoy
Pat on the Packers and they don’t skip a beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
disagree... pat on the packers they lose that falcons game and the recent playoff game 10 out of 10 times. Go ahead tell me i am wrong and i can prove it statistically... Mahomes wins games when he is bad... see the superbowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
You can’t prove it statistically. All things don’t happen in a vacuum.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
Pats a top 3 QB in football, he’s not making a team worse.
the adjusted interceptions say other wise.... gunslinger mentality again say others. Lets look at rodgers games where he lost this year and tell me besides the bucs game what performance is worseQuote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
mahomes final 4 games he did this
comp 62/70/55/54
touchdowns 8
interceptions 4
rate-95/92/92-79
ask me what their records were???????? go. I dare you... Yea 4-0........Wanna know what rodgers was in his losses? Yea exactly... keep trying though If mahomes is mahomes the back up comes in and wins the game or the defense wins the game or defenders drop interceptions galore because luck.... If rodgers inst the best QB in football packers lose everytime. One guy because of weapons can have an off day the other cant.
I've literally said all year that the Pats have a very good OL when they're all together, but they weren't together half the season. I'm not sure what PFF goes by, but I bet it's based on the grades of the 5 starters, which would make sense why they're the 4th ranked unit. Go watch the latter half of the season when LT Wynn went out and tell me that's a top 5 OL. I bet they had at least 10 different starting OL combinations. Wynn-Thuney-Andrews-Mason-Onwenu was a damn good unit, but Wynn missed nearly half the season, Andrews missed 4.5 games, Thuney played out of position a couple games, Mason missed 3 games and I believe had some bad games due to COVID isolation, and Onwenu was an absolute stud no matter where he lined up but got bounced around due to all the injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
PFF also doesn't show anything for free, but I would also bet their OL is that high due to run blocking rather than pass blocking.
Anyone got a PFF account to confirm the RB/PB rankings and that it's based on the main starters?
not even trolling you might be correct on this but it would be kind of dumb to just go by the starters no? that just seems lazy to me lol. I highly doubt they would just go by the health of the starts though and not the overall productions and time the QB has or the yards the running game has when the oline is healthy or injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by manbearchef
No it’s based on anyone who plays. Not on starters. What helped the Pats OL grade is the fact they weren’t blitzed a lot. PFFs OL and DB grades are some of the most subjective because they don’t know the call or protections. They often rate it on nearest player.Quote:
Originally Posted by manbearchef
Example:
OLB comes on 5 man unbalanced pressure and the RT takes the DE in front of him, while the RG has no one to block. So the OLB comes off the edge untouched. The RT/OL get a bad grade on the play for not blocking the OLB and passing the DE to the OG. But what we don’t know is where the slide protection was supposed to go.
It’s this methodology that made Maurkice Pouncey a PFF star for years because the Steelers run game was based on letting on of the DTs basically run himself out of the play and Pouncey getting to the second level to take the MIKE. Well if Pouncey even chips the DT, PFF grades him higher for a first level block and a second level block.
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PFF at least attempts to rank every player individually, so you can't just use their metrics and say obviously the Packers OL is only top-tier because of Rodgers, while the Patriots OL is top-tier despite Cam.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
Football outsiders lists NE at the #3 OL team in the league as well, based on their performance in all 16 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by manbearchef
Who other than Lionel thinks Mahomes should win MVP over Rodgers?Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
I only said they should win co-MVPs sponsored by State Farm as a joke, you know.
Actually the Super Bowl might become the State Farm Bow.
I mean, it is PFF. Nobody likes PFF unless it agrees with their take. Just being honest, I'll say how worthless PFF is, and then say "Cam was the highest rated PFF passer in week X!!!!" to prove my point, but PFF is questionable at best at most grades.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
That cant be the case, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that they had the highest blitz% in the league. Defenses weren't scared of the Pats receivers and the Pats ran like 60% of the time, so teams just blitzed the **** out of them. It might be that the Pats OL saw less overall blitzes because they had fewer pass attempts.Quote:
Originally Posted by warfelg