The Vikings own the 25th pick in the draft.
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The Vikings own the 25th pick in the draft.
OLQuote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Swayze
DL
CB
WR
QB
In that order.
It’s a good thing free agency is before the draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
Trevon Diggs and Winfield JR!
I would say those top 3 will for sure be the pick. Vikes like Samia and Udoh but I personally want to go after Brandon Scherff because he is from Iowa and he's good. Means we'll have to cut another Iowa guy though in Reiff. Udoh did hold his own against Mack in that last game FWIW.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
I'd love to get Scherff as well, but how do we with our cap situation? And that depends on Scherff becoming a free agent. Jack Conklin is a guy I'd want too.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacofunk64
If we could land Scherff then oh my!
Think I'd rather pay a veteran o-lineman like Scherff in FA than pay Harris. If we somehow land him, we'd probably have to get a safety with one of our first two picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Swayze
1. Kinlaw
2. Winfield Jr
Say whatQuote:
Originally Posted by natelpete
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Ya I'd much rather have Scherff than Harris. Having a strong Oline would help all of our team, not just the offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by natelpete
I'd like Winfield Jr as well. Perfect slot/safety hybrid type to me.
I absolutely agree. I love Harris and dude is ****ing really good but his value isn't there in terms of what will make this team better. OL & DL...3T and OG are what we need. Possibly NT.Quote:
Originally Posted by natelpete
Oh man Conklin would be ****ing outstanding but I still feel LG is a bigger need. So I would target Scherff first.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
There are gonna be some surprise moves. Griffen is gonna be gone...sucks because he is still good but we got young cheaper options. Linval probably gone, Reiff probably gone. Rhodes probably gone. Stephen probably gone.
You release those 5 guys you save $42 million in cap and now have $37 million in cap space. A few of those I could see getting a restructure, like maybe Reiff. I think Reiff would look better with a better LG beside him.
Then you talk about extending Kirk...can Kirk lead us. I'm not sure he can to be honest. I wouldn't do it.
Completely disagree. LG is a fairly insignificant position. Safeties like Harris are rare and true game changers. I know everybody hates Elflein because he struggles in pass pro but he's not that bad of a guard. Scherff would be an awesome addition but not at the expense of Harris. We're better off drafting a guard to compete and eventually replace Elflein.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacofunk64
In 5 of our losses this year it was mainly a result because of our interior line getting destroyed. I agree that Harris is a guy you don't want to let go but you resign Harris and leave LG as is it does not improve our team one bit. We could resign Harris and sign Scherff but we'd have to let both Waynes and Alexander go. I don't know, it's a tricky offseason thats for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845
You can still improve the OL without spending a ton of money. The FA market is thin but Osemele is out there. The draft is supposed to be strong along the OL. Safety is a premium position and we can't let a star walk out the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacofunk64
IDK I hate to overspend for FA OL but then I like drafting but it takes time for those guys. I guess if we feel our window is still there with Kirk then you overpay for that OL. I think this offseason will tell us a lot on whether they like Kirk because he'll either get the extension or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845
With the way our offense is designed and with a QB like Kirk, we need good OLineman. The Packers, Bears and 49ers games proved that our Oline is overmatched and needs more upgrading. With a better Oline our ground game gets better, so we can control the clock and keep our defense fresh. Our pass game gets better, so we can makes plays when we need too and have the time to do it. I don't want to lose Harris but at the cost of trading Harris for Scherff.. I do it in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845
Our line was middle of the pack and we finished tied for 10th in points scored. Top 10 in rushing and passing EPA. Next gen stats says Kirk Cousins had the highest time to throw in the league (3.01). PFF graded all of our lineman to be at least average except for Bradbury.Quote:
Originally Posted by nessythegreat
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...-time-to-throw
You want to invest your money into guys who are going to have the greatest impact on the game. Harris lead the league in interceptions and has 9 over the past two years. He's also excellent in the run game. He is a star player who impacts games. Do we beat New Orleans without him? You don't let a player like Harris leave because our LG isn't that good. Guard is one of the easiest positions to replace, especially a LG. Ross Tucker wrote an article explaining how LG's usually get a lot of help and shouldn't be given large salaries. Bucky Brooks ranked every position in order of importance and LG was 20th out of 25 while free safety was 11th.
I'm all for upgrading the OL. I'm not denying how we struggle against elite competition like Mack or Bosa but if you let Harris go then you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. I expect retaining Harris will be Spielman's #1 priority and it should be.
Wouldnt be that big of a hit honestlyQuote:
Originally Posted by pacofunk64
wild and crazy idea....and I don't even like Cam, but he also only has a year left on his contract.....
Would the Panthers consider trading Cam for Kirk? Maybe not directly, but a trade like that gets BOTH teams a QB they may not care if they'd be lame ducks while drafting a hopeful successor....lower cap hit for us, option to wait on drafting a QB for them
Here's my first shot at the 2020 draft. In this scenario, we would've signed a starting G, not paid Harris, and signed a NT.
25: DL JAVON KINLAW
58: S ANTOINE WINFIELD
89: OT MATT PEART
129: EDGE PATRICK JOHNSON
138: WR DENZEL MIMS
205: LB KYAHVA TEZINO
219: G KEVIN JARVIS
239: QB KHALIL TATE
253: CB MIKE HAMPTON
254: OT JACK DRISCOLL
Someone posted on Twitter that while we did improve our pass block win rate was like 27th.Quote:
Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845
It'll hurt more than you think. Alexander is a real good slot guy so I'd expect them to try and resign him. Waynes we kind of all knew he would be gone. I still wouldn't be opposed to signing him to a cheaper 2-3 year deal and he can try to turn it around as he played real bad this last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by iliketurtles24
but if we cut Rhodes, shouldn't we be keeping Waynes? I mean we still don't really know what we have with Hughes at this point and I never really thought he was a good pick simply because he's best suited as a slot guy like Mac. 'course, Zim may feel Hill can take Wayne's slot, I don't know.......Quote:
Originally Posted by pacofunk64
I've really liked what I've seen out of Hill. He has potential IF he can stay out of trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
Keyword... IFQuote:
Originally Posted by natelpete
Yea I don't think you can trust that but I feel regardless we'll be drafting another corner within the first 3 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by natelpete
You realize the only issue Hill has had is with weed, right? No bar fights, no violent behavior....just likes his pot.
And leagues are finally realizing that maybe that shouldn't be viewed as the negative they've been viewing it as.
He was also suspended for "performance-enhancing substances". I think he has the upside to be a solid corner but he's trending on thin ice with the league. One slip up in either area will be another 8 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
Oh for sure but banned substance whether we like it or not will still get him 8 games to a full season ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
Report came out last night that Hughes broke a vertebrae in his neck but should be back in time for off season workouts. So another sort of red flag in terms of having available bodies at CB. This could play into whether we decide to cut Xavier.
On the plus side, didn't baseball announce they'll no longer be testing for THC? Hopefully the NFL will get that added in the next CBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacofunk64
Please god no we should not be extending Kirk Cousins!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pacofunk64
A lot of arguments can be made both ways and I've flip flopped on them so what I say today might not be the same tomorrow lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by nasthemasta
I'm not 100% against signing him but you wait until after the draft and it should only be like a 2-3 year deal which I'm not sure he would do. I think when you sit back and look at some of the top QBs and they are special. They can still play well when things don't go as planned. Kirk is safe, we can win 9-11 games with him but can he get you that ship? Yes he can but everything else needs to be on point. Go get a guy that has a high ceiling, let him sit behind Kirk then roll from there.
i really don't see how it can't be. I'm not a pot smoked, never have been, but the fact it's still banned and illegal in some states is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by natelpete
The more I read about Javon Kinlaw from South Carolina the more I like him. He has the potential to be a stud. Doubt he makes it to 25, though.
I'd resign him. He had a great year and was the reason we got to where we did. He wasnt the reason we lost against the 49er's. The common denominator of Viking meltdowns these last 5 years is Zimmer himself. Not our first playoff blowout on his watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by nasthemasta
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The guy is a statue in the pocket and doesn’t see the field when the pressure is on. Did you see how many wide open receivers he missed against San Fran? He wasn’t the only reason we lost but he was a big part of it. He doesn’t elevate his team and needs perfect conditions around him to succeed. If we couldn’t run the ball effectively this year, we lost. Plain and simple. If you want to even think about winning a superbowl with Kirk Cousins (saying that just makes me laugh), you need an elite offensive line with a strong running game and a top 10 defense just to have a chance. What this team needs is a young mobile QB that elevates his team and makes people around him better.Quote:
Originally Posted by carter80
I agree that a mobile qb would help but Cousins was the reason we got where we did. The last time cook ran over a 100 was October 20th against Detroit. No matter the roster, its Zimmer who fails.Quote:
Originally Posted by nasthemasta
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You definitely have a point about Zim and that very well could play a big factor. He wants to play that old school style of smash mouth football, but it’s very hard to succeed in today’s NFL doing that because you need an elite offensive line. I watch a lot of football and there are not many NFL teams that have elite offensive lines. You have your rare teams like the Titans who are loaded up front (ask them how happy they are they signed Roger Saffold, and look how that crippled the rams) and can give their running back 35 carries a game and win, but that’s an outlier. In today’s NFL you need a guy that can either run for a first down on 3rd and 8, but more so you need a guy that can move around in the pocket and buy time with his legs to make a throw downfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by carter80
Round 1 Pick 25: Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina (A-)
Round 2 Pick 25: Alaric Jackson, OT, Iowa (B+)
Round 3 Pick 28 (BALT): Shane Lemieux, OG, Oregon (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Patrick Queen, OLB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 28 (BALT): Brandon Jones, FS/SS, Texas (A+)
Round 6 Pick 25: Deommodore Lenoir, CB, Oregon (A+)
Round 7 Pick 5: Tyler Johnson, WR, Minnesota (A+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Essang Bassey, CB, Wake Forest (A)
YES!! I'd be happy to trade up a few picks for him if we had to.Quote:
Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845