GM and HC search

Figured we should have a new thread now that Gettleman and Judge are out.

Really like the list of potential GM candidates so far.

-Joe Schoen - Buffalo Bills assistant GM
-Ryan Poles - Kansas City Chiefs executive director of player personnel
-Ryan Cowden - Tennessee Titans vice president of player personnel
-Monti Ossenfort - Tennessee Titans director of player personnel
-Adam Peters - San Francisco 49ers assistant general manager
-Ryan Carthon - San Francisco 49ers director of player personnel
-Adrian Wilson - Arizona Cardinals vice president of pro personnel
-Quentin Harris - Arizona Cardinals vice president of player personnel
-Joe Horitz - Baltimore Ravens director of college scouting

I think Schoen, Horitz and Wilson will be the top of the list. If Schoen comes with Brian Daboll I think that gives him an edge.

Ryan Poles could be intriguing also because I think he would potentially come with Eric Bieniemy.


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Wilson and Harris were both safeties on the cardinals impressive that they worked their ways into gm consideration post playing career


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Originally Posted by GottaBelieve

Figured we should have a new thread now that Gettleman and Judge are out.

Really like the list of potential GM candidates so far.

-Joe Schoen - Buffalo Bills assistant GM
-Ryan Poles - Kansas City Chiefs executive director of player personnel
-Ryan Cowden - Tennessee Titans vice president of player personnel
-Monti Ossenfort - Tennessee Titans director of player personnel
-Adam Peters - San Francisco 49ers assistant general manager
-Ryan Carthon - San Francisco 49ers director of player personnel
-Adrian Wilson - Arizona Cardinals vice president of pro personnel
-Quentin Harris - Arizona Cardinals vice president of player personnel
-Joe Horitz - Baltimore Ravens director of college scouting

I think Schoen, Horitz and Wilson will be the top of the list. If Schoen comes with Brian Daboll I think that gives him an edge.

Ryan Poles could be intriguing also because I think he would potentially come with Eric Bieniemy.


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I would like to see Ed Dodds on that list. The problem , if it is a problem with Bieniemy is that Andy Reid calls the offensive plays and he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB so it is hard to really evaluate Bieniemy.

I don't know much about Horitz but being that he comes from the Ravens is a big plus for me .

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Originally Posted by Brooklyndave

I would like to see Ed Dodds on that list. The problem , if it is a problem with Bieniemy is that Andy Reid calls the offensive plays and he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB so it is hard to really evaluate Bieniemy.

I don't know much about Horitz but being that he comes from the Ravens is a big plus for me .

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I think lots of people have the same "big unknown" concern about Bieniemy - he's a victim of being surrounded by the best of the best.

Schoen coming along with Dobbel seems like a likely possibility. But Horitz is a very solid candidate as are Coles and Peters.

I just hope Mara and let it play out properly.

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Originally Posted by GottaBelieve

Figured we should have a new thread now that Gettleman and Judge are out.

Really like the list of potential GM candidates so far.

-Joe Schoen - Buffalo Bills assistant GM
-Ryan Poles - Kansas City Chiefs executive director of player personnel
-Ryan Cowden - Tennessee Titans vice president of player personnel
-Monti Ossenfort - Tennessee Titans director of player personnel
-Adam Peters - San Francisco 49ers assistant general manager
-Ryan Carthon - San Francisco 49ers director of player personnel
-Adrian Wilson - Arizona Cardinals vice president of pro personnel
-Quentin Harris - Arizona Cardinals vice president of player personnel
-Joe Horitz - Baltimore Ravens director of college scouting

I think Schoen, Horitz and Wilson will be the top of the list. If Schoen comes with Brian Daboll I think that gives him an edge.

Ryan Poles could be intriguing also because I think he would potentially come with Eric Bieniemy.


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I wouldn't mind seeing someone like John Dorsey on the list. He has proven himself in the past with the Chiefs and the Browns. He laid the foundation for the current Browns team when they were the worst team in the NFL. That was a huge turnaround at the time. He got fired before the team did well, but he starter the process.

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I wouldn't mind seeing someone like John Dorsey on the list. He has proven himself in the past with the Chiefs and the Browns. He laid the foundation for the current Browns team when they were the worst team in the NFL. That was a huge turnaround at the time. He got fired before the team did well, but he starter the process.

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They’re clearly looking to go with a younger pool though. Nothing wrong with Dorsey but I think their list sends a clear message of what they’re trying to do.

And I like it.


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I could be mistaken but I believe that the new Giants GM will be someone from the initial 9 man list that was posted here. If they don't pick one of them it will send a message that none of them were good enough to be the GM of the Giants.

Shoebox
Peters
Horitz

I’d be shocked if it isn’t one of the above.


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Whomever it is, I think we will have an answer by next Friday.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyndave

I would like to see Ed Dodds on that list. The problem , if it is a problem with Bieniemy is that Andy Reid calls the offensive plays and he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB so it is hard to really evaluate Bieniemy.

I don't know much about Horitz but being that he comes from the Ravens is a big plus for me .

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This is going to be the unknown with a lot of these head coach candidates.

Daboll is tied to Josh Allen
Leftwich is tied to Tom Brady
Bieniemy is tied to Patrick Mahomes

It shows the importance of finding your franchise quarterback and why GMs will often reach on their guy (and I don’t blame them). Either he works out and the capital to get the guy is moot or he doesn’t work out and it becomes the next GMs problem.

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This is going to be the unknown with a lot of these head coach candidates.

Daboll is tied to Josh Allen
Leftwich is tied to Tom Brady
Bieniemy is tied to Patrick Mahomes

It shows the importance of finding your franchise quarterback and why GMs will often reach on their guy (and I don’t blame them). Either he works out and the capital to get the guy is moot or he doesn’t work out and it becomes the next GMs problem.

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Andy Reid calls the offense for the Chiefs, Tom Brady probably calls his own plays

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Andy Reid calls the offense for the Chiefs, Tom Brady probably calls his own plays

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Agreed and that’s kind of my point. These guys are big names because of the situations they have inherited (no fault of their own).

It’s impossible to say whether Lafleur would have similar success with the Giants than the Packers. But considering Rodgers vs Jones I tend to think Lafleur would not be thought of as highly with the Giants.

So it’s a gamble no matter who we hire. Seems like the McVay coaching tree has gotten off to better starts but even there youve got Taylor tied to Burrow and Staley to Herbert

The most important hire is the GM. Watching these playoff games you realize just how far behind the Giants are as an on organization.

So much improperly utilized draft capital and cap space for years and years exacerbated further by terrible coaching and player development has left this team behind 31 other organizations.

I definitely wonder if the right HC can take some of the current guys and squeeze good play out of them to the tune of this team winning 7 or 8 games. But overall what we really need is a GM that understands talent evaluation and roster construction with a real plan.


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Originally Posted by GottaBelieve

The most important hire is the GM. Watching these playoff games you realize just how far behind the Giants are as an on organization.

So much improperly utilized draft capital and cap space for years and years exacerbated further by terrible coaching and player development has left this team behind 31 other organizations.

I definitely wonder if the right HC can take some of the current guys and squeeze good play out of them to the tune of this team winning 7 or 8 games. But overall what we really need is a GM that understands talent evaluation and roster construction with a real plan.


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I could not have said it any better !!!

Now that all 9 reported candidates have interviewed, I would think we should hear within the next 24 hours of the 4-5 that will go to step 2 and do in person. I think those will happen over the next few days(wens thurs Friday) and we could have an answer within the next week on whom the next GM will be.

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Every single candidate seems qualified hope they have a decision early next week


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Agreed and that’s kind of my point. These guys are big names because of the situations they have inherited (no fault of their own).

It’s impossible to say whether Lafleur would have similar success with the Giants than the Packers. But considering Rodgers vs Jones I tend to think Lafleur would not be thought of as highly with the Giants.

So it’s a gamble no matter who we hire. Seems like the McVay coaching tree has gotten off to better starts but even there youve got Taylor tied to Burrow and Staley to Herbert

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LaFleur was a good OC in Tennessee, that's why he got the GB job. Also, everyone's tied to any young quarterback's success, is at least partially responsible for it in the first place.

https://twitter.com/bthomps81/status...003331073?s=21


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https://twitter.com/bthomps81/status...003331073?s=21


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Wonder if this happens.... Do they try to bring in Mitch Trubuski as competition for Jones.

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Joe Schoen had his second interview yesterday(tues ---- this one in person)

Ryan Poles is expected to have his second(this one in person) interview today(wens)

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https://twitter.com/bthomps81/status...003331073?s=21


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Sign me up. Lord of good candidates but this is the duo I was hoping for as the process has played out


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Sign me up. Lord of good candidates but this is the duo I was hoping for as the process has played out


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Why not Joe Hortiz and Jim Harbaugh or Adam Peters and Jim Harbaugh or either with Doug Peterson.?

Brian Dobell could become the second coming of Bill Belichick or he could become a part of the Bill Arnsbarger Syndrome .

At the present state of the Giant Football team are we not better off with a HC who has proven success?

I'm probably in the minority, but I prefer an experienced HC. I'm ok going young with the GM. We desperately need a change in philosophy, top to bottom. However, I would prefer to have someone with experience managing the game as well as managing the locker room. I would rather have young and hungry assistants get the OC and DC positions instead.

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I'm probably in the minority, but I prefer an experienced HC. I'm ok going young with the GM. We desperately need a change in philosophy, top to bottom. However, I would prefer to have someone with experience managing the game as well as managing the locker room. I would rather have young and hungry assistants get the OC and DC positions instead.

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Read my post right above yours where I totally agree with you .

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Joe Schoen had his second interview yesterday(tues ---- this one in person)

Ryan Poles is expected to have his second(this one in person) interview today(wens)

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Adam Peters is on his way for a second interview

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Read my post right above yours where I totally agree with you .

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You beat me to the punch. We are still in the minority though. The sentiment is to go younger at gm and hc. At least that is what I get from reading the posts here.

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Adam Peters is on his way for a second interview

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Well my top 3 choices for the position have gotten second interviews, so I'm happy about that. Wonder if there is a 4th or any others or did they go from 9 to 3. Guess we shall know soon enough.

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The Giants put in a request to interview Cowboys DC Dan Quinn for their head coaching job.

I find this interesting since the GM isn't locked in yet.

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The Giants put in a request to interview Cowboys DC Dan Quinn for their head coaching job.

I find this interesting since the GM isn't locked in yet.

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Maybe it was just to get Jerry Jones' goat. They should also put in a request for Kellen Moore also.

The reason for Quinn could possibly be that Schoen ,Roles and Peters all had Quinn at the top of their list as a HC.

If it is Quinn then there is a good chance Graham leaves and Quinn would have to find a dynamic OC , ( don't have any idea ) .My choice , albeit a long one , is still Jim Harbaugh . Show him the money !!!

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Maybe it was just to get Jerry Jones' goat. They should also put in a request for Kellen Moore also.

The reason for Quinn could possibly be that Schoen ,Roles and Peters all had Quinn at the top of their list as a HC

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The latter makes sense and I thought that earlier. Former, not so much.

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The latter makes sense and I thought that earlier. Former, not so much.

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Moore would be just to get Jones' goat !!! It would probably force him to fire McCarthy

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Moore would be just to get Jones' goat !!! It would probably force him to fire McCarthy

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After they came out and said they support MM, I don't see that happening. Would be a bad look for the organization.

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Originally Posted by Brooklyndave

Why not Joe Hortiz and Jim Harbaugh or Adam Peters and Jim Harbaugh or either with Doug Peterson.?

Brian Dobell could become the second coming of Bill Belichick or he could become a part of the Bill Arnsbarger Syndrome .

At the present state of the Giant Football team are we not better off with a HC who has proven success?

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I don’t think harbaugh is actually available but would certainly be interested. Peterson doesn’t do it for me team turned on him in Philly.


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Adam Peters is on his way for a second interview

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Link?


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Link?


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It was in all the NY newspapers this morning as well as the NY Giants Big Blue View

https://nypost.com/2022/01/19/giants...d-gm-finalist/


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Originally Posted by OhSoSlick

The Giants put in a request to interview Cowboys DC Dan Quinn for their head coaching job.

I find this interesting since the GM isn't locked in yet.

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I think this is a bad move. They need to take their time with the gm search and not rush it and then let the gm do their thing. Why force an HC on a gm, especially a brand new hire?

They should concentrate on the gm search and let everything else fall into place.

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I think this is a bad move. They need to take their time with the gm search and not rush it and then let the gm do their thing. Why force an HC on a gm, especially a brand new hire?

They should concentrate on the gm search and let everything else fall into place.

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I wouldn’t read too much into the request. If each candidate for gm has Quinn on their short list it’s better to request now to get ahead of time. Or even if they aren’t sure they will interview him it doesn’t hurt to put in the request to give him pause on other opportunities until the giants have their gm.

That said I want nothing to do with Quinn. He’s a failed HC and we need an offensive mind in the worst way.


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Originally Posted by ManningToTyree

I wouldn’t read too much into the request. If each candidate for gm has Quinn on their short list it’s better to request now to get ahead of time. Or even if they aren’t sure they will interview him it doesn’t hurt to put in the request to give him pause on other opportunities until the giants have their gm.

That said I want nothing to do with Quinn. He’s a failed HC and we need an offensive mind in the worst way.


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i understand the offensive mind but why does it have to be with the HC , why can't it be with an OC . Why do you say Quinn was a failed HC ? Didn't he take the Falcons to the SB , albeit he lost in the biggest comeback in SB history but he got his team there.

McAdoo and Shurmer were supposed ," offensive minds " . The two most successful Giant coaches Parcells and Coughlin were not ," offensive minds", although Coughlin was the wide receiver coach with The Eagles , Packers and Giants , but never an OC .

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i understand the offensive mind but why does it have to be with the HC , why can't it be with an OC . Why do you say Quinn was a failed HC ? Didn't he take the Falcons to the SB , albeit he lost in the biggest comeback in SB history but he got his team there.

McAdoo and Shurmer were supposed ," offensive minds " . The two most successful Giant coaches Parcells and Coughlin were not ," offensive minds", although Coughlin was the wide receiver coach with The Eagles , Packers and Giants , but never an OC .

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You can actually make a strong case that the reason the Falcons lost that Super Bowl is that Kyle Shanahan, who was their OC at the time, inexplicably abandoned the run game late when he could have easily run out the clock. And Shanahan is widely respected as a football genius and top tier HC right now.

I'd be fine with Quinn if that's who the new GM wants.