Updated mock for NFL Draft

My updated board

1- Trevor Lawrence (Clemson) (QB) (Jaguars)
2- Zach Wilson (BYU) (QB) (Jets)
3- DeVonta Smith (Alabama) (WR) (Dolphins)
4- Justin Fields (Ohio State) (QB) (Falcons)
5- Penei Sewell (Oregon) (OT) (Bengals)
6- JaMarr Chase (LSU) (WR) (Eagles)
7- Micah Parsons (Penn State) (LB) (Lions)
8- Trey Lance (North Dakota State) (QB) (Panthers)

9- Caleb Farley (CB) (Broncos)
10- Patrick Surtain (CB) (Cowboys)
11- Greg Rousseau (EDGE) (Giants)
12- Rashawn Slater (OT) (49ers)
13- Jaylen Waddle (WR) (Chargers)
14- Kadarius Toney (WR) (Vikings)
15- Kyle Pitts (TE) (Patriots)
16- Alijah Vera-Tucker (OG) (Cardinals)
17- Kwity Paye (EDGE) (Raiders)
18- Najee Harris (RB) (Dolphins)
19- Christian Darrisaw (OT) (WFT)
20- Jaycee Horn (CB) (Bears)
21- Greg Newsome (CB) (Colts)
22- Jaelan Philips (EDGE) (Titans)
23- Ronnie Perkins (EDGE) (Jets)
24- Mac Jones (QB) (Steelers; Big Ben successor)
25- Jalen Mayfield (OT) (Jaguars)
26- Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah (LB) (Browns)
27- Joe Tryon (EDGE) (Ravens)
28- Trevon Moehrig (S) (Saints)
29- Azeez Ojulari (EDGE) (Packers)
30- Teven Jenkins (OT) (Bills)
31- Landon Dickerson (C) (Chiefs)
32- Nick Bolton (LB) (Buccaneers)


What does your board look like?

With 4 top 10 pick worthy QBs in this class, there's really no point in trying to mock this **** show. I bet we have 4 trade ups in the top 8. Not a chance in hell DAL/DEN/SF are just gonna sit back and let Lance fall to Carolina at #8, unless DAL resigns Dak or SF doesn't dump Jimmy G.

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With 4 top 10 pick worthy QBs in this class, there's really no point in trying to mock this **** show. I bet we have 4 trade ups in the top 8. Not a chance in hell DAL/DEN/SF are just gonna sit back and let Lance fall to Carolina at #8, unless DAL resigns Dak or SF doesn't dump Jimmy G.

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Cowboys are not going to trade up to get a QB or one ain't fallin to them especially if Dak resigns but the 49ers trading up to get a QB is more ideal especially if that QB is Watson

If by some miracle New England can somehow someway get the #1 pick it be like last season never happened.

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Originally Posted by BSF

If by some miracle New England can somehow someway get the #1 pick it be like last season never happened.

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NE could offer 3 1sts, 3 2nds, 3 3rds, Gilmore, Jackson, and Winovich and they're still not sniffing a deal for the #1 in this class lol.

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If by some miracle New England can somehow someway get the #1 pick it be like last season never happened.

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You guys need to rot in QB purgatory for a good long while. You had plenty of success already.

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Cowboys are not going to trade up to get a QB or one ain't fallin to them especially if Dak resigns but the 49ers trading up to get a QB is more ideal especially if that QB is Watson

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Don’t be so sure. If they are not able to come to a deal with Dak and if they are not able to trade for a vet QB I would not be shocked if the Cowboys moved up 2 spots to take one the QB’s.

Also would not be shocked if they traded down and drafted Mac Jones.


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Don’t be so sure. If they are not able to come to a deal with Dak and if they are not able to trade for a vet QB I would not be shocked if the Cowboys moved up 2 spots to take one the QB’s.

Also would not be shocked if they traded down and drafted Mac Jones.


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I don't see the Cowboys drafting a QB but with Jerry anything is possible LOL.

Cowboys need defense not drafting a quarterback especially considering their defense is trash right now

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If by some miracle New England can somehow someway get the #1 pick it be like last season never happened.

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Honestly, as a Pats fan, I think you gotta start to take more enjoyment in the game itself rather than just winning. Having a super bowl roster every year isn't the norm. Snapping your finger and finding an elite QB isn't the norm. You come off so spoiled in your posts with these over the top criticisms of BB and/or these unrealistic Hail Mary type dreams.

How many fans on here do you see from teams that haven't won anything in years? You can still be a fan of a team and a game and just appreciate the team building process and development of players on the field. You come off so spoiled always wanting the instant gratification of an elite roster and SB caliber QB.

Miami draft wise they are in the best position because they can build around Tua or whoever the QB ends up being whether that be Deshaun Watson or anyone really

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Cowboys need defense not drafting a quarterback especially considering their defense is trash right now

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Have you seen their situation at QB without Dak?


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You killed me MrB:)

For the Pats, the QB position is obviously the starting point. Mac Jones seems the only one realistically they could take at #15 and even he might require a move up. If they like a guy they need to try to move up for him or take him at #15 if he's there. That goes without saying. Hard to predict what their evaluations of the QBs are.

Otherwise, I have my eyes set on two non QBs for a possible move up - Kyle Pitts and Micah Parsons. I think Pitts is a unique talent and Parsons is a textbook scheme fit for how we use LBs.

If a trade up isn't possible, then the options at #15 are kind of all over the place. Is it possible Waddle falls there like some of last year's WRs? Seems like there are some good OL talents potentially available in Slater or Darrisaw. NE plays defense from the secondary forward so another CB could be the pick whether we keep Gilmore or not and either Surtain or Horn could be there. I think Zaven Collins is a great scheme fit at LB and have seen him projected as high as #18 to MIA... might be a reach though.

I know this won't be popular with NE fans and will cause plenty of eye rolling with all the "heat" on BB, but a trade back might make sense. There are like 10-15 players at most who I feel good saying "I hope this guy is on the team in 3 years". It's like trying to hit the water from a boat picking a position we need help at. If we're not moving into the top 10 for an elite talent like Parsons or Pitts, I might prefer moving back unless one of the other top 10 caliber guys falls to #15.

Mac Jones should be there at 15. Is he the type of quarterback that Belicheck covet?

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Mac Jones should be there at 15. Is he the type of quarterback that Belicheck covet?

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I'm torn on it. I think, in theory at least, Mac Jones could profile to the 01-03/04 Tom Brady. The Tom Brady we see now wasn't what he was then. He continued to grow and develop as a player and reached GOAT contender status (not even sure it's contender at this point, just give him the crown), but he wasn't that guy when he started. He was decisive with the football to get it out quickly, accurate in the short passing game to set up YAC, good enough to take a shot downfield when it was there, patient enough to throw the ball away, mobile enough to move up in the pocket or run a basic rollout. Most importantly he was smart with the football.

Jones shows elements of being all those things. It's a fit in theory. But it's a different game now than it was then. If you want the "game manager" type of QB, I think you might need more mobility. Defenses are so much bigger/quicker/faster in the front 7 that I think you might need some mobility out of the QB position to be a "game manager". Being able to scramble for 3-5 years even vs a sack or throw away can add up quickly.

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Ugh no. I don’t want to see a trade up for a QB. One falls to 6, eh maybe, but I’d rather trade and get a haul.


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Originally Posted by Mr.B

Have you seen their situation at QB without Dak?


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Dalton was winning and quite a bit cheaper.

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Ugh no. I don’t want to see a trade up for a QB. One falls to 6, eh maybe, but I’d rather trade and get a haul.


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If Philly drafts a qb anywhere in the first round I’m done.

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Dalton was winning and quite a bit cheaper.

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No guarantee he comes back.


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If Philly drafts a qb anywhere in the first round I’m done.

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You are Eagles for Life:laugh:

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No guarantee he comes back.


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He should and they should use the dollars saved on the D and OL.

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If Philly drafts a qb anywhere in the first round I’m done.

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If Wentz gets traded, then I expect the Eagles to draft a QB in the first.

Honestly it does make sense because this is a good QB class with a couple prospects who could go #1 in a year when there is no Trevor Lawrence.

So if we do get Fields and he does turn into a good QB on his rookie deal, this is worth more than hitting on a WR or LB or whatever.

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If Wentz gets traded, then I expect the Eagles to draft a QB in the first.

Honestly it does make sense because this is a good QB class with a couple prospects who could go #1 in a year when there is no Trevor Lawrence.

So if we do get Fields and he does turn into a good QB on his rookie deal, this is worth more than hitting on a WR or LB or whatever.

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When you already have Hurts as your quarterback like it makes no sense

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If Wentz gets traded, then I expect the Eagles to draft a QB in the first.

Honestly it does make sense because this is a good QB class with a couple prospects who could go #1 in a year when there is no Trevor Lawrence.

So if we do get Fields and he does turn into a good QB on his rookie deal, this is worth more than hitting on a WR or LB or whatever.

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I get that if a Qb is good enough you take him but the whole idea of Wentz being the franchise, you sign him to a mega deal and then draft a QB in the second round, bench Wentz to start Hurts and now drafting another QB in the first?

Just seems like a complete waste of assets to go through all that in less than 2 years time.


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Originally Posted by koldjerky

I get that if a Qb is good enough you take him but the whole idea of Wentz being the franchise, you sign him to a mega deal and then draft a QB in the second round, bench Wentz to start Hurts and now drafting another QB in the first?

Just seems like a complete waste of assets to go through all that in less than 2 years time.


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This.

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If Wentz gets traded, then I expect the Eagles to draft a QB in the first.

Honestly it does make sense because this is a good QB class with a couple prospects who could go #1 in a year when there is no Trevor Lawrence.

So if we do get Fields and he does turn into a good QB on his rookie deal, this is worth more than hitting on a WR or LB or whatever.

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It makes zero sense once you drafted a qb in the 2nd last season.

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I get that if a Qb is good enough you take him but the whole idea of Wentz being the franchise, you sign him to a mega deal and then draft a QB in the second round, bench Wentz to start Hurts and now drafting another QB in the first?

Just seems like a complete waste of assets to go through all that in less than 2 years time.

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Objective number one for an NFL GM is to find a Top 10 QB. If you get him for cheap on his rookie deal that's even better!

If you don't have one then the resources you put into finding one don't really matter. Your team is very unlikely to win a Super Bow. It's sunk cost fallacy at that point. You gotta move on.

Is Hurts a Top 10 QB? I doubt it, but he has potential and could be a good QB in 2022-23. The problem is we can't see into the future.

Is Wentz a Top 10 QB? I don't think so, but even those Wentz fans who think he still is would be deluding themselves if they thought he was interested in a legit QB competition. I think some of them were even concerned when Hurts was drafted that it would offend Wentz.

At least Hurts wouldn't be phased by having to compete against a QB drafted 6th overall. No matter who wins, there's still value in having two talented QBs on your roster. If Wentz is still worth two 2nd round picks, then a QB drafted 6th overall will have trade value after riding the bench as well.

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Objective number one for an NFL GM is to find a Top 10 QB. If you get him for cheap on his rookie deal that's even better!

If you don't have one then the resources you put into finding one don't really matter. Your team is very unlikely to win a Super Bow. It's sunk cost fallacy at that point. You gotta move on.

Is Hurts a Top 10 QB? I doubt it, but he has potential and could be a good QB in 2022-23. The problem is we can't see into the future.

Is Wentz a Top 10 QB? I don't think so, but even those Wentz fans who think he still is would be deluding themselves if they thought he was interested in a legit QB competition. I think some of them were even concerned when Hurts was drafted that it would offend Wentz.

At least Hurts wouldn't be phased by having to compete against a QB drafted 6th overall. No matter who wins, there's still value in having two talented QBs on your roster. If Wentz is still worth two 2nd round picks, then a QB drafted 6th overall will have trade value after riding the bench as well.

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I guess I’m also looking at who’s running the show. In a vacuum, sure, I can get on board, but considering this team is pretty weak in a few areas and the GM running the draft, I’d rather take shots at building the foundation of the team with multiple picks than drafting a QB, again, where he’ll only be cheap for 4 years.

As bad as Dallas was on defense, they were able to build a solid foundation and got a solid enough QB. They were rolling with Romo but building through the draft on the line and everything else.

At this point I’d rather roll with Hurts and take a flyer later this draft on a QB and use the rest on the foundation. I’m pretty sure you’ve also stated before something similar before drafting a QB. I’d rather take advantage of those cheap years of a talented QB than get one when the team isn’t that ready to compete yet.


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I guess I’m also looking at who’s running the show. In a vacuum, sure, I can get on board, but considering this team is pretty weak in a few areas and the GM running the draft, I’d rather take shots at building the foundation of the team with multiple picks than drafting a QB, again, where he’ll only be cheap for 4 years.

As bad as Dallas was on defense, they were able to build a solid foundation and got a solid enough QB. They were rolling with Romo but building through the draft on the line and everything else.

At this point I’d rather roll with Hurts and take a flyer later this draft on a QB and use the rest on the foundation. I’m pretty sure you’ve also stated before something similar before drafting a QB. I’d rather take advantage of those cheap years of a talented QB than get one when the team isn’t that ready to compete yet.

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Both approaches can work but I think adding a good QB on a rookie contract to a good team is more difficult because you won't draft that high. It comes down to this draft class to me. There will be a QB with great potential available. 2019 would have been different.

If 2021 is a "transition year" anyway, why not evaluate two QBs instead of one?

So Eagles are pretty much guaranteed to draft a QB now right?


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I think QB should definitely be in play for PHI. If they feel there's a franchise guy there you have to consider it unless they have full conviction that Hurts is the guy for real for real (as opposed to just talking themself into him - there's a difference).

If they do just roll with Hurts and add a blue chip piece around him, that can go two ways: 1) Hurts plays well enough and instill confidence that he can be a starter, or 2) he sucks. If it's 1, then they'll probably be happy they didn't draft a QB. If it's 2, then they're likely picking high next year and in range for a QB prospect.

I will separately throw out a Pats-centric idea. We all know Lawrence is going #1. Sewell is seemingly a lock to go no later than #5. That means that one of Wilson, Fields or Lance, by definition, has to be on the board at #6. Seems also very plausible too that a second one could be on the board as well if another non QB makes his way up the board. If NE offered #15, #45 and next year's 1st rounder, that seems like a fair offer for #6 based on past trade ups for a QB, IMO. That would set PHI up for a year of seeing how Hurts does and then having 3 1st rounders next year to go get a QB if he fails. PHI misses out on the elite talents at the top of the draft (Pitts, the 3 WRs, Parsons, Farley) but I like the OL options at #15 which is a big need for them IMO. Just throwing that out there.

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I think QB should definitely be in play for PHI. If they feel there's a franchise guy there you have to consider it unless they have full conviction that Hurts is the guy for real for real (as opposed to just talking themself into him - there's a difference).

If they do just roll with Hurts and add a blue chip piece around him, that can go two ways: 1) Hurts plays well enough and instill confidence that he can be a starter, or 2) he sucks. If it's 1, then they'll probably be happy they didn't draft a QB. If it's 2, then they're likely picking high next year and in range for a QB prospect.

I will separately throw out a Pats-centric idea. We all know Lawrence is going #1. Sewell is seemingly a lock to go no later than #5. That means that one of Wilson, Fields or Lance, by definition, has to be on the board at #6. Seems also very plausible too that a second one could be on the board as well if another non QB makes his way up the board. If NE offered #15, #45 and next year's 1st rounder, that seems like a fair offer for #6 based on past trade ups for a QB, IMO. That would set PHI up for a year of seeing how Hurts does and then having 3 1st rounders next year to go get a QB if he fails. PHI misses out on the elite talents at the top of the draft (Pitts, the 3 WRs, Parsons, Farley) but I like the OL options at #15 which is a big need for them IMO. Just throwing that out there.

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There is actually a 3rd scenario that could happen. Hurts doesn’t play well but also doesn’t play bad. The Eagles end up 8-8 and never have a shot at a top 10 QB again while Hurts is starting.


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There is actually a 3rd scenario that could happen. Hurts doesn’t play well but also doesn’t play bad. The Eagles end up 8-8 and never have a shot at a top 10 QB again while Hurts is starting.


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Well then you just pull him halfway through the season for Sudfled and tank. Turn week 17 of last year into a season plan lol

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Both approaches can work but I think adding a good QB on a rookie contract to a good team is more difficult because you won't draft that high. It comes down to this draft class to me. There will be a QB with great potential available. 2019 would have been different.

If 2021 is a "transition year" anyway, why not evaluate two QBs instead of one?

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I could get on board with it. I just don’t want to see a trade up.

It just seems this team may be awhile away from contending regardless.


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Atlanta Falcons should go for Fields but I wouldn't be surprised if Fields ends up slipping all the way to #8 and Carolina takes him...it would be their first franchise QB since Cam Newton so that is why I'm hoping Fields goes to the Panthers. However, the Falcons desperately need a quarterback to be the successor for Matt Ryan but who?

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Atlanta Falcons should go for Fields but I wouldn't be surprised if Fields ends up slipping all the way to #8 and Carolina takes him...it would be their first franchise QB since Cam Newton so that is why I'm hoping Fields goes to the Panthers. However, the Falcons desperately need a quarterback to be the successor for Matt Ryan but who?

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With all the teams needing QB’s now I doubt Fields makes it to 8. I don’t see Fields getting past Atlanta at 4. There is also still a good chance a team trades up to 3 and takes a QB. Even the Bengals at 5 could be talked into trade down. I would not be shocked if 5 QB’s end up going in the top 10. Mac Jones could find himself in the top 10.


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So what QB do the Philly fans want the Eagles to draft at 6?


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Really zeroing in on Tulsa LB Zaven Collins as the pick for NE at #15. Fits the scheme like a glove in the Hightower role. I don't think they can afford to move back past MIA at #18 and still get him either and feel he's worth staying at #15 for.