Big Moves03
Hall of Famer

He was in the discussion for top 5. I don't remember at this point whether he was or he wasn't (it was 8 years ago lol) so I don't know if he was top...

Well I'm not sure Kyrie or Love were ever top 5 players. AD was but he led his team to the playoffs on multiple occasions.

Dude, the idea is not that complex and no, you are misrepresenting and/or misunderstanding. For players who have comparable seasons, the one on the...

That's what this whole thread was about. When two players are close, the one on the better team is going to get the nod...and yes, I actually would...

How players are assessed and how they are celebrated for their accomplishments are two different things. Putting up great numbers clearly indicates...

On years in which he was on a horrible team, yes to a large extent they were not very meaningful. If you're putting up great numbers on a horrible...

Yeah those are completely different things. Saying that a player on a really bad team shouldn't be lauded too much for putting up big numbers is...

Good thing no one is making that argument

When did I say anything like that? I never once said that you have to win a title for your numbers to be meaningful, but you at least have to be on a...

Had a bit of a rough stretch there, but nice to get the come-from-behind win last night.

They were both on contenders without Phil and were usually competitive even when they weren't on contenders. MJ never missed the playoffs while in...

MJ was elite before Phil was ever his coach and Kobe remained elite after Phil left and up until he tore his Achilles (you don't make multiple...

The "key" is to have either MJ or Kobe and have them carry you lol

That's a great argument as to why we shouldn't be talking about either LBJ or KD lol

There is something to be said for volume stats, because simply because one guy can do something at a given rate, that doesn't mean it would scale...

I don't think this is a good argument because there are simply more all-star caliber players in the league now than there were when Pippen was in the...

We do agree that injuries were by far the biggest issue. I would look to move AD if the right deal comes about and a team would be willing to take...

Yep, I consider both of them kind of borderline guys in that in-between space of being all-stars and maybe borderline superstars, but not really...

Yeah, I agree that they are comparable.

I'd much rather have Butler. I think Pippen has become hugely overrated, but was viewed accordingly while he played. I think Butler might be slightly...

It's not that they couldn't be better leaders, it's that they weren't. We've discussed what their issues were and those in my view are disqualifying...

Most think MJ is the GOAT. It's pretty clear that he is dude. Wilt is really the only guy who I think a good case can be made for, but that part is...

Except hardly anyone agrees with you. Shaq was a poor leader. I would say worst than Kobe or MJ or LBJ. Yet, he led the lakers to one of only five...

I definitely haven't critiqued him taking plays off. That wasn't what I was referring to when I said the team played with no effort. I didn't say LBJ...

There isn't anything to it at all. He has short comings just like every single player. I point those out when guys are going overboard about praising...

Well when he was in the East the East was absolutely horrible and so that had to be brought up when people started making a huge deal about making...

It's a tough one. Maybe between 7-9. He seems to wear down considerably in the 4th, which is what leads me to put KD and Curry ahead of him. I have...

I'm not too concerned. This is more or less our norm. The kind of bizarre thing is that most of our roster with the exception of freeman hasn't...

AGAIN...I really don't understand how the same thing has to be repeated to you over and over again. First off, the nets were in a fairly tougher...

You can critique any player except for your boy, got it. There's bias alright lol