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valade16
05-18-2019, 05:05 PM
This is where you can post your thoughts/talk trash/etc. for the game.

Additionally please answer the poll question:

Should we have the draft be "double snaked" so that the person picking at the end of the round in Round 1 gets to pick at the top of both Rounds 2 and 3?

Quinnsanity
05-18-2019, 09:15 PM
If it makes people feel better about double-snaking, we could also do it throughout the entire draft. So, say, the team with the No. 1 overall pick is last in 2 and 3, but first in 4 and 5. But we all know how this game tends to go. By no means is it universal (like it is in the regular NBARD), but what tends to happen is someone in the top 10 trades back into the first round, gets another star, and they become the huge favorite. I like the idea of having more diversity. Like some people are gonna have teams with the biggest names, the LeBrons and MJs and so on, and others are gonna be much deeper. I'm also in favor of wiping out the MJ tax btw, especially if we do it this way. I just want to do something to level the playing field slightly in favor of teams at the back.

valade16
05-18-2019, 11:05 PM
If it makes people feel better about double-snaking, we could also do it throughout the entire draft. So, say, the team with the No. 1 overall pick is last in 2 and 3, but first in 4 and 5. But we all know how this game tends to go. By no means is it universal (like it is in the regular NBARD), but what tends to happen is someone in the top 10 trades back into the first round, gets another star, and they become the huge favorite. I like the idea of having more diversity. Like some people are gonna have teams with the biggest names, the LeBrons and MJs and so on, and others are gonna be much deeper. I'm also in favor of wiping out the MJ tax btw, especially if we do it this way. I just want to do something to level the playing field slightly in favor of teams at the back.

I was mulling a ruke that states if you draft a player who won an MVP in the 1st round you cannot have another player who won an MVP and was drafted in the 1st round just to get rid of that possibility.

Though with only 18 teams (hopefully) the talent will be a little more concentrated.

Quinnsanity
05-19-2019, 02:46 AM
I was mulling a ruke that states if you draft a player who won an MVP in the 1st round you cannot have another player who won an MVP and was drafted in the 1st round just to get rid of that possibility.

Though with only 18 teams (hopefully) the talent will be a little more concentrated.

I don't necessarily mind the idea of someone having two mega stars in itself. It just sucks when it's done the old fashioned way of like 1+5 for 2+3. I just wanna make it harder, and I want to make it easier for the people drafting at the end to have a competitive team without having to make a million trades. Like I think our goal here should be to keep the playing field as level, from a drafting perspective, as possible. So it creates more diverse team structures. There are the star-based teams on one side and the depth-based teams on the other.

murphturph
05-19-2019, 02:40 PM
"You must start 1 player who played primarily prior to 1979"

Does this mean that at least 50% of their regular season career games had to be played prior to 1979, or is based on where their prime years were? Could you define this rule a little more? Thanks!

ChiSox219
05-19-2019, 02:41 PM
Anyone willing to take on a co-Gm?

ChiSox219
05-19-2019, 02:44 PM
I don't necessarily mind the idea of someone having two mega stars in itself. It just sucks when it's done the old fashioned way of like 1+5 for 2+3. I just wanna make it harder, and I want to make it easier for the people drafting at the end to have a competitive team without having to make a million trades. Like I think our goal here should be to keep the playing field as level, from a drafting perspective, as possible. So it creates more diverse team structures. There are the star-based teams on one side and the depth-based teams on the other.

I agree, those draft pick trades can swing the game too much sometimes. You could just ban the trading of first round picks until after also actions have already been made.

valade16
05-19-2019, 03:14 PM
"You must start 1 player who played primarily prior to 1979"

Does this mean that at least 50% of their regular season career games had to be played prior to 1979, or is based on where their prime years were? Could you define this rule a little more? Thanks!

I think when we tried to delineate a % of a players career in the 70's it got problematic. I think it will be a common sense determination.

Basically, guys like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird do not count as 70's players but guys like Kareem and Moses do. If there are any other players people are unsure about, just let me know and I can make a decision.

murphturph
05-19-2019, 03:53 PM
I think when we tried to delineate a % of a players career in the 70's it got problematic. I think it will be a common sense determination.

Basically, guys like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird do not count as 70's players but guys like Kareem and Moses do. If there are any other players people are unsure about, just let me know and I can make a decision.

Sounds good. Thx

valade16
05-19-2019, 04:41 PM
Just waiting for:

TO Rapz
Shammyguy3
LJ4ptplay
Bostonjorge

To sign in. (as well as ChiSox219 if he gets his own team).

Dunkapolooza
05-19-2019, 06:23 PM
that'd get us to 20 right?

GREATNESS ONE
05-19-2019, 06:27 PM
Just waiting for:

TO Rapz
Shammyguy3
LJ4ptplay
Bostonjorge

To sign in. (as well as ChiSox219 if he gets his own team).

did you PM them?

GREATNESS ONE
05-19-2019, 06:28 PM
that'd get us to 20 right?

What's up Dunk!? Your team sucks!!!!

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valade16
05-19-2019, 06:44 PM
did you PM them?

I sent them Visitor Messages yesterday but none of them have logged in since I sent them the VM.

Regardless, order of the draft will go up tonight with a target start date of Tuesday Morning (May 21st).

valade16
05-19-2019, 06:46 PM
I just looked up the winners of the last 4 ATRDs (2018, 2016, 2015, 2014. 2017 was an Auction) and the winners picked:

18th
5th
7th
19th

Given that, unless there is overwhelming support for a double snaked draft, Iím going to keep it as a regular snaked draft.

GREATNESS ONE
05-19-2019, 06:53 PM
I sent them Visitor Messages yesterday but none of them have logged in since I sent them the VM.

Regardless, order of the draft will go up tonight with a target start date of Tuesday Morning (May 21st).

Sweeeeet! I might have one more guy to olay

Raps18-19 Champ
05-19-2019, 08:45 PM
This is where you can post your thoughts/talk trash/etc. for the game.

Additionally please answer the poll question:

Should we have the draft be "double snaked" so that the person picking at the end of the round in Round 1 gets to pick at the top of both Rounds 2 and 3?

No.

Have the Jordan rule implemented and that's it.

Shammyguy3
05-19-2019, 09:27 PM
Double snake. Let's try it out

dhopisthename
05-19-2019, 09:58 PM
being one of the guys who suggested what is now called the double snake I think its super close. one hand I know that it sucks being one of the guys who gets a late pick, but I don't want the opposite. lets assume 20 picks whats more fair with my idea being that if you had the 2nd pick would you be willing to trade down to the 19th pick and vise versa if we flip them.
2-39-42-79
vs
19-22-59-62

or

2-39-59-79
vs
19-22-42-62

or maybe flip the 4th round as well

2-39-59-62
vs
19-22-42-79

I would have to think about which of those 3 is the most fair. just flipping the 3rd seems really crappy for the 2nd pick.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-19-2019, 11:04 PM
No need to a double snake.

If anything, you should just expand the Jordan rule to apply to like 5-6 certain players (ie Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Wilt, etc).

Quinnsanity
05-20-2019, 01:35 AM
No need to a double snake.

If anything, you should just expand the Jordan rule to apply to like 5-6 certain players (ie Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Wilt, etc).

This is really interesting as well if people aren't into double snaking. I would say there are two really meaningful tiers, and this has nothing to do with actual all-time rankings, it's just a matter of voting power:

Tier 1: MJ ("he's the GOAT!"), LeBron ("he's the GOAT!"), Shaq ("lol your old dudes can't guard him."), Kobe (the ****ing Stans in this forum).

Tier 2: Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, Bird

Maybe Kobe goes in Tier 2, but that's the general idea. I like the idea of expanding the tax in some meaningful way. Like tier one bumps your 3rd, maybe tier 2 turns your late 4 into a late 5?

Redrum187
05-20-2019, 02:08 AM
Yes... I'm for Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, and Wilt "taxes". I wouldn't necessarily include Kareem. He's considered in the top 5, but no one really evaluates his peek as being top 5. No double-snake... it's ******** and makes trading picks confusing.

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 02:15 AM
Yeah knowing that it was back drafting teams trading for those top guys really makes me rethink this double snake thing. Damn.

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 02:16 AM
This is really interesting as well if people aren't into double snaking. I would say there are two really meaningful tiers, and this has nothing to do with actual all-time rankings, it's just a matter of voting power:

Tier 1: MJ ("he's the GOAT!"), LeBron ("he's the GOAT!"), Shaq ("lol your old dudes can't guard him."), Kobe (the ****ing Stans in this forum).

Tier 2: Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, Bird

Maybe Kobe goes in Tier 2, but that's the general idea. I like the idea of expanding the tax in some meaningful way. Like tier one bumps your 3rd, maybe tier 2 turns your late 4 into a late 5?

Lmao Kobe. Here here.

Shammyguy3
05-20-2019, 12:28 PM
8th pick, nice

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 01:56 PM
This is really interesting as well if people aren't into double snaking. I would say there are two really meaningful tiers, and this has nothing to do with actual all-time rankings, it's just a matter of voting power:

Tier 1: MJ ("he's the GOAT!"), LeBron ("he's the GOAT!"), Shaq ("lol your old dudes can't guard him."), Kobe (the ****ing Stans in this forum).

Tier 2: Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, Bird

Maybe Kobe goes in Tier 2, but that's the general idea. I like the idea of expanding the tax in some meaningful way. Like tier one bumps your 3rd, maybe tier 2 turns your late 4 into a late 5?

No need to complicate this. Just have people who draft jordan, lebron, wilt, shaq and KAJ (generally the top 5 picks) go to the bottom of the 3rd

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 02:29 PM
Yes... I'm for Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, and Wilt "taxes". I wouldn't necessarily include Kareem. He's considered in the top 5, but no one really evaluates his peek as being top 5. No double-snake... it's ******** and makes trading picks confusing.

The guy always makes the conference finals in these games and is a sta machine. Always goes top 3 too. He gets taxed

Switch
05-20-2019, 02:33 PM
If we are changing the rules we should redo the draft order. The guys pushing for tax on top players are the ones who will be missing out on them

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dhopisthename
05-20-2019, 02:37 PM
there hasn't been any special rules, just a jordan tax

Quinnsanity
05-20-2019, 02:55 PM
If we are changing the rules we should redo the draft order. The guys pushing for tax on top players are the ones who will be missing out on them

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Dude I called for double snake in the damn sign up thread. I feel like my intentions here aren't up for debate. Clearly other people feel as if there should be some extra burden on the top teams. I'm fine with a tax on the top five dudes.

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 03:01 PM
I think the Jordon rule is solid. I don't think we need a LeBron Shaq or Kareem rule. We definitely don't need a wilt one. All those guys lost championships at the height or near the height of their career.

Jordan rule makes sense cause nobody seen a team beat a prime Jordan team.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 03:03 PM
I'm fine with just the Jordan rule too. Just no double snake.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 03:03 PM
If we are changing the rules we should redo the draft order. The guys pushing for tax on top players are the ones who will be missing out on them

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Everything was proposed before the draft order was up.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 03:17 PM
Didnt realize draft started. Just do jordan rule as thats been around for years and just leave it at that

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 03:22 PM
I agree.

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 03:23 PM
Jordan went second?

AI
05-20-2019, 06:16 PM
Can I still participate?

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 06:17 PM
Can I still participate?

**** ya you can!

AI
05-20-2019, 06:20 PM
Cool, let me know guys and Iíll make my clubby.

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 08:21 PM
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Jordan went second?

valade16
05-20-2019, 08:21 PM
Can I still participate?

Youíre always welcome AI! Iíll add you to the draft

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 08:22 PM
Youíre always welcome AI! Iíll add you to the draft

:hi5:

AI
05-20-2019, 09:19 PM
Youíre always welcome AI! Iíll add you to the draft

Hi V, how about those Blazers?

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 09:20 PM
Hi V, how about those Blazers?

Thatís wrong lol

valade16
05-20-2019, 09:21 PM
Hi V, how about those Blazers?

Youíre DQd

Redrum187
05-20-2019, 09:45 PM
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Steal of the draft! So far you're winning! :speechless:

AI
05-20-2019, 11:01 PM
Youíre DQd

Haha I was being serious. Theyíve surprised me this postseason.

Wrench
05-20-2019, 11:50 PM
#6 up for trade for the next 30 mins, send me an offer. Immas pick if not.

Shammyguy3
05-21-2019, 12:18 PM
I'll be picking shortly if I dont trade this pick in the next 10 minutes

richiesaurus310
05-21-2019, 05:33 PM
Jordan went second?

I figured LeBron + 44 + 45 is better than MJ + 44 + 66. LeBron has 4 MVPís and 3 out of 16 years heís won a title. Jordan had one More MVP and 6 out of 15 years he won a title. Canít argue that LeBron is better, but the difference isnít worth a much inferior 3rd player in this draft. At least this way Iíll have LeBron and 2 other top 50 players. Plus LeBron gives me more flexibility roster wise.

Quinnsanity
05-21-2019, 05:52 PM
I figured LeBron + 44 + 45 is better than MJ + 44 + 66. LeBron has 4 MVPís and 3 out of 16 years heís won a title. Jordan had one More MVP and 6 out of 15 years he won a title. Canít argue that LeBron is better, but the difference isnít worth a much inferior 3rd player in this draft. At least this way Iíll have LeBron and 2 other top 50 players. Plus LeBron gives me more flexibility roster wise.

FWIW, though I don't disagree with you, building LeBron teams in this tends to be tough, because your instincts based on what works with him IRL tend to conflict with the rankings people have in here from a talent perspective. So you either build a team with the right talent that people argue with in regards to fit, or you build a team with the right fit that people say isn't talented enough. The standard is just super high. You don't really get the benefit of the doubt that MJ does. Having gone the LeBron path, I'd prefer to have MJ even with the tax.

AI
05-22-2019, 12:57 PM
SWITCH CHECK YOUR PMís

Shammyguy3
05-22-2019, 02:40 PM
Barkley was a steal, best value pick of the draft so far

ccugrad1
05-22-2019, 03:02 PM
A lot of reaches in round 1

Shammyguy3
05-22-2019, 03:05 PM
A lot of reaches in round 1

Besides Kawhi who was a reach

Quinnsanity
05-22-2019, 05:27 PM
I wanted Kawhi with my second rounder. Granted, that was less value and more because of how fun it would have been to have Pippen and Kawhi, but I don't think he was a reach. We go through this **** every year. People make great "value" picks based on all time rankings, but then when it comes down to actually matching up, someone like Kawhi tends to be a lot more valuable than someone like, say, Dirk, just because his skill set lends itself far more to an All-Star team.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-22-2019, 06:37 PM
Can someone tell next guy he is up?

richiesaurus310
05-22-2019, 10:44 PM
SHammy is otc at 45 not me. Me just made a trade for 51.

Shammyguy3
05-23-2019, 05:00 PM
No picks for 4 hours?

GREATNESS ONE
05-23-2019, 05:17 PM
No picks for 4 hours?

we were waiting for TO.... *Sigh*

GREATNESS ONE
05-23-2019, 05:23 PM
Steal of the draft! So far you're winning! :speechless:

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valade16
05-24-2019, 12:09 AM
Why was Dunka skipped?

dhopisthename
05-24-2019, 12:12 AM
he logged off at 8:25 and thurmond was picked at 8:21. I think thats within 3

Killerjug
05-24-2019, 12:40 PM
That's a nice looking trio Valade

Shammyguy3
05-24-2019, 12:53 PM
That's a nice looking trio Valade

You're a nice looking trio

valade16
05-24-2019, 12:58 PM
That's a nice looking trio Valade

Thank you good sir. Perhaps if you have time, and feel so inclined, you could do some PRs? Be nice for everyone to get a 3rd party perspective.

Shammyguy3
05-24-2019, 01:02 PM
Thank you good sir. Perhaps if you have time, and feel so inclined, you could do some PRs? Be nice for everyone to get a 3rd party perspective.

Yessss

Quinnsanity
05-24-2019, 03:13 PM
Stop offering me your 3rd and 4th round picks for Scottie Pippen

Shammyguy3
05-25-2019, 12:14 AM
Can someone update the draft board

Redrum187
05-25-2019, 07:11 AM
Don't skip me, i sent my list in.

Wrench
05-25-2019, 08:36 AM
Don't skip me, i sent my list in.But your otc lol

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Redrum187
05-25-2019, 11:10 AM
But your otc lol

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I' am picking right now <3

Wrench
05-25-2019, 11:14 AM
123. ChiSox

124. Switch

125. Greatness One

126. Shammyguy via Richisaurus

Round 7

Where we are at with the board so far off

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Shammyguy3
05-25-2019, 03:08 PM
We really need the board updated

Wrench
05-25-2019, 07:16 PM
Asked TT to give me powers in here so I could help as it seems V and Dhop are busy. Board is up to date.

Wrench
05-25-2019, 10:10 PM
Valade said I can help process trades as well, so send them to both him and I. Doing so on Discord is fine too.

Redrum187
05-27-2019, 03:54 AM
So free agency is Tuesday the 28th at 10 am central (8 am pacific, 11 am eastern)? :D

richiesaurus310
05-27-2019, 04:09 PM
How does free agency work in this? Is it just first come first serve? Or do you have to wait a period of time in between signings?

Wrench
05-30-2019, 09:46 AM
So on the prime years we are using, does it have to be all NBA? Or can a few years be ABA? Didn't see anything in the rules that says one way or another.

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Quinnsanity
06-01-2019, 04:35 AM
I have legitimately gotten one firm offer this entire game, ONE, in which I received the best player in the trade. I'm just amazed at this. Like where does this belief come from that you can get first-round talents for third and fourth round picks? It's not contained to just me. I hear about this from all of you. Can't we all just agree that if you want a star, you probably have to give up a star?

Wrench
06-01-2019, 08:58 AM
1st offer from someone is always going to be in thier favor. No smart person is going to offer something they would loose on. Your supposed to send an offer back that shifts it in your favor, then you work it out to where you meet in the middle.

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Soxtober040713
06-01-2019, 09:32 AM
The art of trading by Sensei Wrench!

Wrench
06-01-2019, 11:30 AM
Hahaha I'm just messing with Quinn

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Quinnsanity
06-05-2019, 03:32 AM
Man I get why you did it Wrench, but I can't help but feel like you fumbled at the goal line with that Hakeem trade.

Also, Sox! Your first trade rape! Good for you man, glad you pulled it off.

Wrench
06-05-2019, 07:29 AM
I did it to match up with UTB lol. Head to Head Dirk always did well vs KG and Gilmore did just fine vs Walton back in the day.

Plus the high pick and roll with Dirk/Kobe... Good luck. Least that was my hope in the deal.

I'd rather deal and build something I like than just to sit and do nothing.

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NYKalltheway
06-09-2019, 05:26 AM
Some nice teams here, looking forward to the voting.

Ebbs
06-11-2019, 02:11 PM
lmao that MJ team is awful

Ebbs
06-11-2019, 02:14 PM
Quin, Wrench, Redrum, Valade and Chi the five best teams in some order IMO

Quinnsanity
06-11-2019, 07:07 PM
Quin, Wrench, Redrum, Valade and Chi the five best teams in some order IMO

Love you too buddy :hi5:

Killerjug
06-12-2019, 08:47 AM
Like the teams you said Ebbs, but think UTB and Wrench would be my two favorites IMO

GREATNESS ONE
06-12-2019, 10:54 PM
lmao that MJ team is awful

What?!?

NYKalltheway
11-22-2019, 04:58 AM
Would you guys be interested in the next All Time Draft being a restricted one between players drafted between 1950 and 1980?

I think the standard ones are wearing off a bit and there's too much recency bias anyway. This will be something different and will give this an Old School vibe.