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valade16
05-18-2019, 05:02 PM
Sign-in to the game by creating your Clubhouse in this thread. Your clubhouse is where you will list all the players on your team as well as your depth chart (and any other fun information you wish, such as stats, trades, draft picks, etc.).

valade16
05-18-2019, 05:05 PM
This is where you can post your thoughts/talk trash/etc. for the game.

Additionally please answer the poll question:

Should we have the draft be "double snaked" so that the person picking at the end of the round in Round 1 gets to pick at the top of both Rounds 2 and 3?

valade16
05-18-2019, 05:08 PM
This thread is where I will post all trades. When making a trade, please send the trade to myself and the other party of the trade listing the picks (both round and pick #) and/or players to be traded along with an affirmative agreement to the trade.

I will not consider a trade consummated until both parties have agreed to the trade!

valade16
05-18-2019, 05:09 PM
This is where you post all of your players and/or picks you are looking to trade as well as what you are trying to trade for.

valade16
05-18-2019, 05:10 PM
This is where anyone who would like to post power rankings may do so.

valade16
05-18-2019, 05:11 PM
Usually these games involve a chat room where everybody can go to converse and trade in real time. If anyone has an account or knows a good chat room for the game to use, please post here (we used to use Chatzy but I think we've now moved to a different site).

GREATNESS ONE
05-18-2019, 06:13 PM
New Era Bulls

Marc Gasol Champion, DPOY, 37%3pt shooter
Dennis Rodman 5x Champion, 2x DPOY, 7x Rebound champion
Giannis Antetokounmpo MVP, Per 30, 3x All defense, 13reb per game
Michael Jordan 6x Champion, 5x MVP, 10x Scoring champion,1X DPOY, 3X steals champion
Sam Jones 10x Champion, 12.8 WS season, Nicknamed "Mr Clutch", Shooter

Bench
Deron Williams- 20pts, 9asst, 35%3pt shooter https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01.html#2011-2013-sum:per_game

Rip Hamilton- Champion, 20ppg, 41% 3pt shooter-https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html#2006-2008-sum:per_game

Steve Smith- Champion, 40% 3pt shooter https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithst01.html#2000-2002-sum:per_game

Elton Brand- 20ppg, 10 reb, 50+% FG https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brandel01.html#2004-2006-sum:per_game

Tyson Chandler- DPOY, Champion, 3x All-def https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chandty01.html#2011-2013-sum:per_game

dhopisthename
05-18-2019, 06:27 PM
PG: Steph Curry/Alvin Robertson
SG: David Thompson/Byron Scott
Sf: Jimmy Butler/Toni Kukoc
pf: Chris Webber/Buck Williams
C: Dwight Howard/ Rudy Gobert


Steph Curry 26.4 PTS | 7.0 AST | 4.7 REB | 64.5 TS% | 46.1 WS | 28.1 PER | 43.6 3pt%
2xMVP 2x ALL NBA 1st team 1x all NBA 2nd team

David Thompson 26.3 PTS | 4.1 AST | 5.1 REB | 57.2 TS% | 35.9 WS | 21.4 PER
2x ALL NBA 1st team 1x all ABA 2nd team

Jimmy Butler 21.7 PTS | 4.6 AST | 5.8 REB | 57.8 TS% | 34.1 WS | 22.7 PER | 35.3 3pt%
3 x all defensive 2nd team 1x all nba 3rd team

Chris Webber 25.4 PTS | 4.5 AST | 10.6 REB | 52.7 TS% | 30.4 WS | 24.1 PER
1 x all nba 1st, 2nd and 3rd team

Dwight Howard 20.5 PTS | 1.5 AST | 13.7 REB | 61.5 TS% | 41.3 WS | 25.2 PER | 2.7 BLK
3x DPOY 3x ALL nba 1st team 3x all defensive 1st team

Alvin Robertson 18.1 PTS | 5.8 AST | 5.9 REB | 52.7 TS% | 19.7 WS | 19.0 PER |
DPOY 1xall nba 2nd, 1x all nba defensive 1st team 2x all nba defensive 2nd team

Toni Kukoc 14.1 PTS | 4.2 AST | 4.7 REB | 57.4 TS% | 26.9 WS | 20.1 PER | 35.2 3pt%
1xsixth man

Rudy Gobert 14.6 PTS | 1.6 AST | 12.3 REB | 67.5 TS% | 36.7 WS | 23.1 PER | 2.4 BLK
2x dpoy, 2nd in other year. 1x all nba 2nd, 1x all nba 3rd

Dunkapolooza
05-18-2019, 06:53 PM
PG: Chauncey Billups (60th pick) 63 202 lbs - 1x Champ 1x Finals MVP 3x All NBA 2x All Defensive 5x All Star (03 -08) .222 ws/48 - .592 ts% - 121 ortg - 104 ortg - 17.0 pts - 3.3 reb - 6.3 ast - 1.0 stl - 2.1 to - 4.7 3pa - .400 3p% (https://youtu.be/Ca9TVg9ARjs)

Winning Leadership Clutch - Elite 3pt Ball security - Versatile defender Pick and Roll ball handler Triple threat skills

SG: Sidney Moncrief (48th pick) 63 180 lbs - 2x Def POY 5x All NBA 5x All Defensive 5x All Star (82-84) .215 ws/48 - .598 ts% - 120 ortg - 103 drtg - 21.1 pts - 6.4 reb - 4.4 ast - 1.5 stl - 2.6 to - .831 ft% (https://youtu.be/kJjkrrKCIw8)

Elite defender Triple threat skills Pick and Roll ball handler Versatile finisher Extended range Slasher - Elite quickness

SF: Shawn Marion (80th pick) 67 220 lbs - 1x Champ 2x All NBA 4x All Star (03-07) .183 ws/48 - .557 ts% - 114 ortg 100 drtg 19.8 pts 10.4 reb 2.1 ast 2.1 stl 1.4 blk 1.7 to 3.8 3pa - .345 3p% - (https://youtu.be/C418UoRXhIA)

Versatile defender Rebounding 3pt range Rim Rocker Pick and Roll / Pop Ball Security Strong Screens

PF: Willis Reed (50th pick) 69 235 lbs - 1x MVP 2x Finals MVP 2x Champ 5x All NBA 1x All Defensive 7x All Star (68 70) .208 ws/46 - .550 ts% - 21.2 pts 13.9 reb 2.1 ast - .741 ft% - (https://youtu.be/ELHN437rde0)

Winning Leadership Rebounding High / Low Post skills Extended Range Physical defender

C: Tim Duncan (6th pick) 611 250 lbs - 2x MVP 5x Champ 3x Finals MVP 15x All NBA 15x All Defensive (99 - 07) .228 ws/48 - .551 ts% - 110 ortg - 94 drtg - 21.9 pts - 11.9 reb - 3.2 ast - .8 stl - 2.5 blk - 2.8 to - (https://youtu.be/OL1sORY3Kh4)

Winning Leadership Elite defender Clutch Fundamentals - High / Low Post Skills Range Triple Threat Skills Rebounds No weakness

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SF / PF / C: Clifford Robinson 6'10" 225 lbs - 2x All Defensive 1x All Star 1x Sixth Man (95 -00) .541 ts% - 17.8 pts - 4.9 trb - 2.6 ast - 1.2 stl - 1.0 blk - 2.1 to - 3.9 3pa - .369 3p% (https://youtu.be/MfIb1jrH8mU)

Versatile defender 3pt Range Pick and Roll/pop Transition Finisher

PF / C: Jerry Lucas 68 230-250 lbs 1x Champ 5x All NBA (68-72) .560 ts% - 18.3 pts 16.2 reb 3.5 ast - .778 ft% - (https://www.nba.com/history/legends/profiles/jerry-lucas)

Rebounding Extended Range - Pick and Roll / Pop Point Center/Forward High / Low post - Proven champion - Versatile defender

SF / PF / SG: Marques Johnson 6'7" 218 lbs 3x All NBA - 5x All Star (79 -81) .209 ws/48 - .585 ts% - 118 ortg - 103 drtg - 22.5 pts 7.3 reb - 3.7 ast - 1.4 stl - .9 blk - 2.4 to (https://youtu.be/SDyaI4TImJE)

Triple Threat Skills Effective range - Point Forward - Rebounding Versatile Defender Great head to head stats vs the greats of his time.


PG / SG: Victor Oladipo 64 210 lbs 1x All NBA 1x All Defensive 2x All Star (17-19) .551 ts% - 19.5 pts 5.0 reb 3.8 ast 1.8 stl 2.5 tov 5.6 3pa - .361 3p% (https://youtu.be/a_UoXTHXgbo)

Committed athletic defender Pick and Roll ball handler 3pt range Versatile scorer

PG: Tiny Archibald 6'1" 150lbs - 5x All NBA 1x Champ 1x Scoring Champ 1x Ast Champ 6x All star (72-74) .562 ts% - .187 ws/48 - 28.7 pts - 2.8 reb - 9.8 ast - 1.6 stl - 9.5 fta - .832 ft%

- Elite quickness - Volume scorer - Pick and Roll ball handler - extended range - offensive spark plug - Gets to the freethrow line

Switch
05-18-2019, 07:12 PM
get buckets



PG: Gary Payton ---- Champ | DPOY | 9x All NBA | 9x All Def.
SG: Michael Cooper ---- 5x Champ | DPOY | 8x All Def.
SF: Paul Pierce ---- Champ | FMVP | 4x All NBA
PF: Spencer Haywood ---- Champ | MVP | 4x All NBA
C: Shaquille Oneal ---- 4x Champ | 3x FMVP | MVP | 14x All NBA | 3x All Def.


Bench

PF/C Horace Grant ---- 4x Champ | 4x All- Def
PF: Bob Pettit ---- Champ | 2x MVP | 11x All NBA
SG Allan Houston - 2x AS
PG: Jason Terry ---- Champ | 6th man
F: A.C. Green ---- 3x Champ | All - Def

Quinnsanity
05-18-2019, 09:12 PM
Quinn City Re-Draft Winners


PG:Russell Westbrook/Ben Simmons
SG: Reggie Miller/Danny Green
SF: Scottie Pippen/Tayshaun Prince
PF: Kevin Love/Sam Perkins
C: Bill Russell/Andrew Bogut

Quinnsanity
05-18-2019, 09:15 PM
If it makes people feel better about double-snaking, we could also do it throughout the entire draft. So, say, the team with the No. 1 overall pick is last in 2 and 3, but first in 4 and 5. But we all know how this game tends to go. By no means is it universal (like it is in the regular NBARD), but what tends to happen is someone in the top 10 trades back into the first round, gets another star, and they become the huge favorite. I like the idea of having more diversity. Like some people are gonna have teams with the biggest names, the LeBrons and MJs and so on, and others are gonna be much deeper. I'm also in favor of wiping out the MJ tax btw, especially if we do it this way. I just want to do something to level the playing field slightly in favor of teams at the back.

Quinnsanity
05-18-2019, 09:18 PM
I made a Discord https://discordapp.com/channels/579477809865687040/579477809865687044

richiesaurus310
05-18-2019, 09:27 PM
Bel Air Academy

PG LeBron James | Maurice Cheeks
SG Ray Allen | Latrell Sprewell
SF Rick Barry | Dominique Wilkins
PF Dan Roundfield | LaMarcus Aldridge
C Robert Parish | Mark Eaton

Only team with 5 players that scored over 23,300 points.

PG LeBron James 6'8" 250 lbs | 14xAll-NBA | 15xAll-Star | 4x MVP | 3xFMVP |6xAll-Def | 1xScoring-Champ | 3xNBA-Champion | 34.3 % 3pt | 1,727 3pt (19th) | 0.8 blk (112) | 2.4 reb (62nd) | 1.6 stl (17th) | 7.2 ast (10th) | 27.2 pts (4th)
SG Ray Allen 6'5" 205 lbs | HOF | 2xAll-NBA | 10xAll-Star | 2xNBA-Champion | 40% 3pt | 2,973 3pt (1st) | 1.1 stl (51st) | 3.4 ast (94th) | 18.9 pts (29th)
SF Rick Barry 6'7" 205 lbs | HOF | 10xAll-NBA/ABA | 12xAll-Star | 1xFMVP | 1xScoring-Champ | 2xNBA/ABA-Champion | 1xStl leader | 6.7 reb (128th) | 2.0 stl (131st) | 4.9 ast (67th) | 24.8 pts (24th)
PF Dan Roundfield 6'8" 205 lbs | 1xAll-NBA | 3xAll-Star | 5xAll-Def | 1.4 blk (63rd) | 9.2 reb (94th) | 0.9 stl | 14.3 pts
C Robert Parish 7'0" 230 lbs | HOF | 2xAll-NBA | 9xAll-Star | 4xNBA-Champion | 1.5 blk (11th) | 9.1 reb (9th) | 0.8 stl (87th) | 14.5 pts (32nd)
SF Dominique Wilkins 6'8" 225 lbs | HOF | 7xAll-NBA | 9xAll-Star| 1xScoring-Champ | 0.6 blk (193rd) | 6.7 reb (109th) | 1.3 stl (63rd) | 2.5 ast | 24.8 pts (15th)
PG Maurice Cheeks 6'1" 180 lbs | HOF | 4xAll-Star | 5xAll-Def | 1xNBA-Champion | 2.1 stl (5th) | 6.7 ast (13th) | 11.1 pts (250th)
PF LaMarcus Aldridge 6'11" 260 lbs | 5xAll-NBA | 7xAll-Star | 1.1 blk (92nd) | 8.4 reb (84th) | 19.6 pts (68th)
SG Latrell Sprewell 6'5" 195 lbs | 1xAll-NBA | 4xAll-Star | 1xAll-Def | 33.7% 3pt | 1104 3pt (82nd) | 1.4 stl (73rd) | 18.3 pts (104th)
C Mark Eaton 7'4" 275 lbs | 1xAll-Star | 5xAll-Def | 2xDPOY | 4xBlk leader | 3.5 bpg (10th) | 7.9 reb (123rd) | 6.0 pts

Wrench
05-18-2019, 09:41 PM
Miami Floridians

Artis Gilmore / DeMarcus Cousins
Dirk Nowitzki / Charles Oakley
Peja Stojokavic / Bruce Bowen
Kobe Bryant / Raja Bell
Tim Hardaway / Dennis Johnson



C: Artis Gilmore: HoF | MVP | 5xAll-ABA | 5xAll-Def | 11xAll-Star | (71'-74')
21.1 PTS | 17.9 REB | 3.8 BLK | 3.4 AST | 0.7 STL | .551 FG%
PF: Dirk Nowitzki: MVP | FMVP | 12xAll-NBA | 14xAll-Star | 1xChamp | (05'-08')
25.7 PTS | 9.2 REB | 1.1 BLK | 3.1 AST | 0.9 STL | .480 FG% | .406 3P%
SF: Peja Stojakovic: 3xAll-Star | 1xChamp | (03'-06')
21.0 PTS | 5.5 REB | 0.2 BLK | 2.1 AST | 1.1 STL | .456 FG% | .414 3P%
SG: Kobe Bryant: MVP | 2xFMVP | 15xAll-NBA | 18xAll-Star | 2xPTS Champ | 12xAll-Def | (05'-08')
31.7 PTS | 5.8 REB | 0.4 BLK | 5.1 AST | 1.7 STL | .457 FG% | .351 3P%
PG: Tim Hardaway: 5xAll-NBA | 5xAll-Star | (90'-93')
21.8 PTS | 3.7 REB | 0.2 BLK | 10.0 AST | 1.8 STL | .489 FG% | .352 3P%

Bench
C: DeMarcus Cousins: 2xAll-NBA | 4xAll-Star | (15'-18')
26.5 PTS | 11.07 REB | 1.4 BLK | 4.3 AST | 1.5 STL | .456 FG% | .352 3PT%
PF: Charles Oakley: 2xAll-Def | 1xAll-Star | (86'-89')
15.3 PTS | 12.2 REB | 0.3 BLK | 3.0 AST | 1.0 STL | .477 FG% | .289 3P%
SF: Bruce Bowen: 8xAll-Def | 3xChamp (02'-05')
7.4 PTS | 2.5 REB | 0.5 BLK | 1.4 AST | 0.8 STL | .434 FG% | .403 3P%
SG: Raja Bell: 2xAll-Def | (04'-07')
14.0 PTS | 3.2 REB | 0.2 BLK | 2.2 AST | 0.8 STL | .447 FG% | .424 3P%
PG: Dennis Johnson: HoF | FMVP | 2xAll-NBA | 9xAll-Def | 5xAll-Star | 3xChamp (79'-82')
19.1 PTS | 4.9 REB | 0.8 BLK | 4.1 AST | 1.6 STL | .442 FG%

valade16
05-18-2019, 11:05 PM
If it makes people feel better about double-snaking, we could also do it throughout the entire draft. So, say, the team with the No. 1 overall pick is last in 2 and 3, but first in 4 and 5. But we all know how this game tends to go. By no means is it universal (like it is in the regular NBARD), but what tends to happen is someone in the top 10 trades back into the first round, gets another star, and they become the huge favorite. I like the idea of having more diversity. Like some people are gonna have teams with the biggest names, the LeBrons and MJs and so on, and others are gonna be much deeper. I'm also in favor of wiping out the MJ tax btw, especially if we do it this way. I just want to do something to level the playing field slightly in favor of teams at the back.

I was mulling a ruke that states if you draft a player who won an MVP in the 1st round you cannot have another player who won an MVP and was drafted in the 1st round just to get rid of that possibility.

Though with only 18 teams (hopefully) the talent will be a little more concentrated.

Lakers + Giants
05-18-2019, 11:42 PM
TEAM:
PG: Damian Lillard / Louis Williams
SG: Vince Carter / Pete Maravich
SF: Jamaal Wilkes / James Worthy
PF: Kevin McHale / Anthony Mason
C: David Robinson / Yao Ming

Quinnsanity
05-19-2019, 02:46 AM
I was mulling a ruke that states if you draft a player who won an MVP in the 1st round you cannot have another player who won an MVP and was drafted in the 1st round just to get rid of that possibility.

Though with only 18 teams (hopefully) the talent will be a little more concentrated.

I don't necessarily mind the idea of someone having two mega stars in itself. It just sucks when it's done the old fashioned way of like 1+5 for 2+3. I just wanna make it harder, and I want to make it easier for the people drafting at the end to have a competitive team without having to make a million trades. Like I think our goal here should be to keep the playing field as level, from a drafting perspective, as possible. So it creates more diverse team structures. There are the star-based teams on one side and the depth-based teams on the other.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-19-2019, 12:46 PM
Montreal

Depth Chart (2K19 rating)

C: Nate Thurmond (NBA 2K19 Rating - 92), DeAndre Jordan (NBA 2K19 Rating - 87)
PF: Anthony Davis (NBA 2K19 Rating - 94), Deflet Schempf (NBA 2K19 Rating - 87)
SF: Kevin Durant (NBA 2K19 Rating - 97), Ron Harper (NBA 2K19 Rating - 87)
SG: Elgin Baylor (NBA 2K19 Rating - 96), Eddie Jones (NBA 2K19 Rating - 89)
PG: Tony Parker (NBA 2K19 Rating - 94), Kyle Lowry (NBA 2K19 Rating - 88)



Minute Rotation

C: Nate Thurmond (32), Anthony Davis(16), DeAndre Jordan (Defensive Specialist)
PF: Anthony Davis (20), Kevin Durant (18), Deflet Schrempf (10)
SF: Kevin Durant (20), Elgin Baylor (28), Ron Harper (Defensive Specialist)
SG: Elgin Baylor (8), Eddie Jones (32), Kyle Lowry (8)
PG: Tony Parker (32), Kyle Lowry (16)

Total Minutes

Kevin Durant - 38 (SF/PF)
Anthony Davis - 36 (PF/C)
Elgin Baylor - 36 (SG/SF/PF)
Nate Thurmond - 32 (C)
Tony Parker - 32 (PG)
Kyle Lowry - 24 (PG/SG)
Eddie Jones - 32 (SG/SF)
Deflet Schrempf - 10 (SF/PF)
DeAndre Jordan - Defensive Specialist (C)
Ron Harper - Defensive Specialist (PG/SG/SF)

unleashthebeast
05-19-2019, 01:47 PM
C: Bill Walton - Arvydas Sabonis
PF: Kevin Garnett - Shane Battier
SF: Ron Artest - Doug Christie
SG: Dwyane Wade - Bradley Beal
PG: Mark Price - Patrick Beverley

Matter.
05-19-2019, 02:08 PM
Markham



C: Moses Malone
PF: Elvin Hayes / Antawn Jamison
SF: Andre Iguodala / Rashard Lewis
SG: Clyde Drexler
PG: Kevin Johnson / Derrick Rose

Matter.
05-19-2019, 02:09 PM
Link does not work ^... not an invite

Wrench
05-19-2019, 02:14 PM
https://discord.gg/bQt7Qkt

Try that, should be an invite.

murphturph
05-19-2019, 02:26 PM
PG: Walt Frazier - 80% FT | 50% FG | Top 3 defensive PG of all Time (70-73)
SG: Klay Thompson - 85.6% FT | 47.4% FG | 42.5% 3 | Elite Defesive SG (15-18)
SF: Kawhi Leonard - 86.9% FT | 49.4& FG | 39.3% 3 | Top 3 defensive SF of all time (15-19)
PF: Rasheed Wallace 74.6% FT | 48% FG | 35% 3 | Elite defensive PF (00-03)
C: Dikembe Mutombo 68.6% FT | 52.8% FG | 3.9 BLKS | Top 3 defensive C of all time (94-97)

BENCH:

Mike Bibby
Adrian Dantley
Joe Johnson
Serge Ibaka
Karl Anthony Towns

murphturph
05-19-2019, 02:40 PM
"You must start 1 player who played primarily prior to 1979"

Does this mean that at least 50% of their regular season career games had to be played prior to 1979, or is based on where their prime years were? Could you define this rule a little more? Thanks!

ChiSox219
05-19-2019, 02:41 PM
Anyone willing to take on a co-Gm?

ChiSox219
05-19-2019, 02:44 PM
I don't necessarily mind the idea of someone having two mega stars in itself. It just sucks when it's done the old fashioned way of like 1+5 for 2+3. I just wanna make it harder, and I want to make it easier for the people drafting at the end to have a competitive team without having to make a million trades. Like I think our goal here should be to keep the playing field as level, from a drafting perspective, as possible. So it creates more diverse team structures. There are the star-based teams on one side and the depth-based teams on the other.

I agree, those draft pick trades can swing the game too much sometimes. You could just ban the trading of first round picks until after also actions have already been made.

valade16
05-19-2019, 03:14 PM
"You must start 1 player who played primarily prior to 1979"

Does this mean that at least 50% of their regular season career games had to be played prior to 1979, or is based on where their prime years were? Could you define this rule a little more? Thanks!

I think when we tried to delineate a % of a players career in the 70's it got problematic. I think it will be a common sense determination.

Basically, guys like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird do not count as 70's players but guys like Kareem and Moses do. If there are any other players people are unsure about, just let me know and I can make a decision.

murphturph
05-19-2019, 03:53 PM
I think when we tried to delineate a % of a players career in the 70's it got problematic. I think it will be a common sense determination.

Basically, guys like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird do not count as 70's players but guys like Kareem and Moses do. If there are any other players people are unsure about, just let me know and I can make a decision.

Sounds good. Thx

valade16
05-19-2019, 04:41 PM
Just waiting for:

TO Rapz
Shammyguy3
LJ4ptplay
Bostonjorge

To sign in. (as well as ChiSox219 if he gets his own team).

Redrum187
05-19-2019, 05:06 PM
PG: Terry Porter - Fat Lever
SG: Paul George - Hersey Hawkins
SF: Tracy McGrady - Dale Ellis
PF: Draymond Green - Dave Cowens
C: Wilt Chamberlain - Nikola Jokic

valade16
05-19-2019, 05:08 PM
If anyone would like to post a twitter handle or other contact such as email/phone number where we can reach you should your pick come up and you are not on PSD, post it here.

If you do not want to give out your email and/or phone number, you can private message me the number/email and I will not give it out to anyone and contact you only to remind you it is your turn.

GREATNESS ONE
05-19-2019, 05:54 PM
You still got my number right V?

Matter.
05-19-2019, 06:12 PM
DM me on discord ill reply asap

Dunkapolooza
05-19-2019, 06:23 PM
that'd get us to 20 right?

GREATNESS ONE
05-19-2019, 06:27 PM
Just waiting for:

TO Rapz
Shammyguy3
LJ4ptplay
Bostonjorge

To sign in. (as well as ChiSox219 if he gets his own team).

did you PM them?

GREATNESS ONE
05-19-2019, 06:28 PM
that'd get us to 20 right?

What's up Dunk!? Your team sucks!!!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/26tPo9rksWnfPo4HS/giphy.gif

valade16
05-19-2019, 06:44 PM
did you PM them?

I sent them Visitor Messages yesterday but none of them have logged in since I sent them the VM.

Regardless, order of the draft will go up tonight with a target start date of Tuesday Morning (May 21st).

valade16
05-19-2019, 06:46 PM
I just looked up the winners of the last 4 ATRDs (2018, 2016, 2015, 2014. 2017 was an Auction) and the winners picked:

18th
5th
7th
19th

Given that, unless there is overwhelming support for a double snaked draft, Im going to keep it as a regular snaked draft.

GREATNESS ONE
05-19-2019, 06:53 PM
I sent them Visitor Messages yesterday but none of them have logged in since I sent them the VM.

Regardless, order of the draft will go up tonight with a target start date of Tuesday Morning (May 21st).

Sweeeeet! I might have one more guy to olay

Raps18-19 Champ
05-19-2019, 08:45 PM
This is where you can post your thoughts/talk trash/etc. for the game.

Additionally please answer the poll question:

Should we have the draft be "double snaked" so that the person picking at the end of the round in Round 1 gets to pick at the top of both Rounds 2 and 3?

No.

Have the Jordan rule implemented and that's it.

Shammyguy3
05-19-2019, 08:57 PM
Azkaban

Round 1 (8th) - Magic Johnson
Round 2 (35th) - Alonzo Mourning
Round 3 (43rd) - John Havlicek
Round 4 (84th) - Glen Rice
Round 5 (92nd) - Bill Laimbeer
Round 6 (126th) - Mookie Blaylock
Round 7 (134th) - Blake Griffin
Round 8 (161st) - Michael Finley

G: Magic Johnson - Mookie Blaylock
G: John Havlicek - Michael Finley
F: Glen Rice - Gerald Wallace
F: Bill Laimbeer - Blake Griffin
C: Alonzo Mourning - Vlade Divac

Shammyguy3
05-19-2019, 09:27 PM
Double snake. Let's try it out

LJ4ptplay
05-19-2019, 09:47 PM
Just Some Above Average Dudes

PG - Oscar Robertson / Penny Hardaway
SG - Allen Iverson / Drazen Petrovic
SF - Bernard King / Dave DeBusschere
PF - Amare Stoudamire / Larry Johnson
C - Pau Gasol / Marcus Camby

dhopisthename
05-19-2019, 09:58 PM
being one of the guys who suggested what is now called the double snake I think its super close. one hand I know that it sucks being one of the guys who gets a late pick, but I don't want the opposite. lets assume 20 picks whats more fair with my idea being that if you had the 2nd pick would you be willing to trade down to the 19th pick and vise versa if we flip them.
2-39-42-79
vs
19-22-59-62

or

2-39-59-79
vs
19-22-42-62

or maybe flip the 4th round as well

2-39-59-62
vs
19-22-42-79

I would have to think about which of those 3 is the most fair. just flipping the 3rd seems really crappy for the 2nd pick.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-19-2019, 11:04 PM
No need to a double snake.

If anything, you should just expand the Jordan rule to apply to like 5-6 certain players (ie Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Wilt, etc).

ChiSox219
05-20-2019, 12:24 AM
🇲🇨 Monaco Money 💶

Steve Nash/Sam Cassell
Chris Mullin/Tony Allen
Grant Hill/Lamar Odom
Shawn Kemp/Al Horford
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar/Joakim Noah

valade16
05-20-2019, 12:35 AM
359

1. Richieaurus
2. Greatness One
3. Switch
4. ChiSox
5. Redrum
6. Wrench
7. Dunkapolooza
8. Shammy
9. Lakers + Giants
10. LJ4tplay
11. CapnWalnuts
12. Raps08-09 Champs
13. Dhopisthename
14. Murphturph
15. Matter
16. BostonJorge
17. Smith&wesson
18. TO Rapz
19. Valade16
20. Quinnsanity
21. Unleashthebeast

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 01:11 AM
#2 pick OTB

Quinnsanity
05-20-2019, 01:35 AM
No need to a double snake.

If anything, you should just expand the Jordan rule to apply to like 5-6 certain players (ie Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Wilt, etc).

This is really interesting as well if people aren't into double snaking. I would say there are two really meaningful tiers, and this has nothing to do with actual all-time rankings, it's just a matter of voting power:

Tier 1: MJ ("he's the GOAT!"), LeBron ("he's the GOAT!"), Shaq ("lol your old dudes can't guard him."), Kobe (the ****ing Stans in this forum).

Tier 2: Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, Bird

Maybe Kobe goes in Tier 2, but that's the general idea. I like the idea of expanding the tax in some meaningful way. Like tier one bumps your 3rd, maybe tier 2 turns your late 4 into a late 5?

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 01:59 AM
^sign up yall

Wrench
05-20-2019, 02:03 AM
I could talk #6

Redrum187
05-20-2019, 02:08 AM
Yes... I'm for Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, and Wilt "taxes". I wouldn't necessarily include Kareem. He's considered in the top 5, but no one really evaluates his peek as being top 5. No double-snake... it's ******** and makes trading picks confusing.

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 02:15 AM
Yeah knowing that it was back drafting teams trading for those top guys really makes me rethink this double snake thing. Damn.

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 02:16 AM
This is really interesting as well if people aren't into double snaking. I would say there are two really meaningful tiers, and this has nothing to do with actual all-time rankings, it's just a matter of voting power:

Tier 1: MJ ("he's the GOAT!"), LeBron ("he's the GOAT!"), Shaq ("lol your old dudes can't guard him."), Kobe (the ****ing Stans in this forum).

Tier 2: Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, Bird

Maybe Kobe goes in Tier 2, but that's the general idea. I like the idea of expanding the tax in some meaningful way. Like tier one bumps your 3rd, maybe tier 2 turns your late 4 into a late 5?

Lmao Kobe. Here here.

Soxtober040713
05-20-2019, 08:32 AM
PG- Jason Kidd
SG- Brandon Roy
SF- Carmelo Anthony
PF- Karl Malone
C- Bob Lanier

PG- Mike Conley
SG- Earl Monroe
SF- Alex English
PF- Larry Nance
C- Jack Sikma

Switch
05-20-2019, 09:11 AM
#3 pick open to offers

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valade16
05-20-2019, 11:34 AM
Seaside Seagulls

PG: Chris Paul (15-17) 8x All-NBA | 9x All-D | 9x All-Star
23.3 PPG | 8.8 APG | 38.2% 3PT | 27.5 PER | .605 TS% | .259 WS/48

SG: Jeff Hornacek

SF: George Gervin (78-80) HoF | 7x All-NBA | 12x All-Star
30.4 PPG | 5.9 RPG | 1.7 SPG | 26.9 PER | .588 TS% | .219 WS/48

PF: Bobby Jones

C: Hakeem Olajuwon HoF | MVP | 2x DPOY | 12x All-NBA | 9x All-D

B: Kyrie Irving
B: Gilbert Arenas
B: Derek Harper
B: Jermaine ONeal
B: Brad Daugherty

Shammyguy3
05-20-2019, 12:28 PM
8th pick, nice

murphturph
05-20-2019, 01:52 PM
Looking to acquire a 2nd or 3rd round pick and and a late pick, for some combination of my 4th, 5th, & 6th pick.

PM offers

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 01:56 PM
This is really interesting as well if people aren't into double snaking. I would say there are two really meaningful tiers, and this has nothing to do with actual all-time rankings, it's just a matter of voting power:

Tier 1: MJ ("he's the GOAT!"), LeBron ("he's the GOAT!"), Shaq ("lol your old dudes can't guard him."), Kobe (the ****ing Stans in this forum).

Tier 2: Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, Bird

Maybe Kobe goes in Tier 2, but that's the general idea. I like the idea of expanding the tax in some meaningful way. Like tier one bumps your 3rd, maybe tier 2 turns your late 4 into a late 5?

No need to complicate this. Just have people who draft jordan, lebron, wilt, shaq and KAJ (generally the top 5 picks) go to the bottom of the 3rd

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 02:29 PM
Yes... I'm for Jordan, LeBron, Shaq, and Wilt "taxes". I wouldn't necessarily include Kareem. He's considered in the top 5, but no one really evaluates his peek as being top 5. No double-snake... it's ******** and makes trading picks confusing.

The guy always makes the conference finals in these games and is a sta machine. Always goes top 3 too. He gets taxed

Switch
05-20-2019, 02:33 PM
If we are changing the rules we should redo the draft order. The guys pushing for tax on top players are the ones who will be missing out on them

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dhopisthename
05-20-2019, 02:37 PM
there hasn't been any special rules, just a jordan tax

Quinnsanity
05-20-2019, 02:55 PM
If we are changing the rules we should redo the draft order. The guys pushing for tax on top players are the ones who will be missing out on them

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Dude I called for double snake in the damn sign up thread. I feel like my intentions here aren't up for debate. Clearly other people feel as if there should be some extra burden on the top teams. I'm fine with a tax on the top five dudes.

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 03:01 PM
I think the Jordon rule is solid. I don't think we need a LeBron Shaq or Kareem rule. We definitely don't need a wilt one. All those guys lost championships at the height or near the height of their career.

Jordan rule makes sense cause nobody seen a team beat a prime Jordan team.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 03:03 PM
I'm fine with just the Jordan rule too. Just no double snake.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 03:03 PM
If we are changing the rules we should redo the draft order. The guys pushing for tax on top players are the ones who will be missing out on them

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Everything was proposed before the draft order was up.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2019, 03:17 PM
Didnt realize draft started. Just do jordan rule as thats been around for years and just leave it at that

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 03:22 PM
I agree.

Dunkapolooza
05-20-2019, 03:23 PM
Jordan went second?

Wrench
05-20-2019, 04:40 PM
Really looking to trade back from 6th overall. Would like to fall back into the 7-15 range.

Just send me an offer and we can work out something, very motivated to do so.

AI
05-20-2019, 06:16 PM
Can I still participate?

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 06:17 PM
Can I still participate?

**** ya you can!

AI
05-20-2019, 06:20 PM
Cool, let me know guys and Ill make my clubby.

AI
05-20-2019, 06:31 PM
Saskatchatoon

PG: Isiah Thomas - Jrue Holiday
SG: Manu Ginobili - Mitch Richmond
SF: Julius Erving - Robert Horry
PF: Charles Barkley - Paul Millsap
C: Ben Wallace - Wes Unseld

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 08:21 PM
https://media2.giphy.com/media/l46CqLVMWzaJUFPLW/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5ce344564479346a77a29415&rid=giphy.gif
Jordan went second?

valade16
05-20-2019, 08:21 PM
Can I still participate?

Youre always welcome AI! Ill add you to the draft

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 08:22 PM
Youre always welcome AI! Ill add you to the draft

:hi5:

AI
05-20-2019, 09:19 PM
Youre always welcome AI! Ill add you to the draft

Hi V, how about those Blazers?

GREATNESS ONE
05-20-2019, 09:20 PM
Hi V, how about those Blazers?

Thats wrong lol

valade16
05-20-2019, 09:21 PM
Hi V, how about those Blazers?

Youre DQd

Redrum187
05-20-2019, 09:45 PM
https://media2.giphy.com/media/l46CqLVMWzaJUFPLW/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5ce344564479346a77a29415&rid=giphy.gif



Steal of the draft! So far you're winning! :speechless:

Redrum187
05-20-2019, 10:27 PM
Looking to acquire a 2nd or 3rd round pick and and a late pick, for some combination of my 4th, 5th, & 6th pick.

PM offers

Yeah same, I'm looking for this type of deal too.

AI
05-20-2019, 11:01 PM
Youre DQd

Haha I was being serious. Theyve surprised me this postseason.

Wrench
05-20-2019, 11:50 PM
#6 up for trade for the next 30 mins, send me an offer. Immas pick if not.

TO Rapz
05-20-2019, 11:52 PM
PG: Jerry West (35) - Kemba Waker (13)
SG: James Harden (33) - Kyle Korver (15)
SF: Andrei Kirilenko (26) - Khris Middleton (12) - Dan Majerle (10)
PF: Chris Bosh (34) - Andrei Kirilenko (7) - Joel Embiid (7)
C: Patrick Ewing (33) - Joel Embiid (15)

murphturph
05-21-2019, 02:07 AM
33rd pick on the block

Shammyguy3
05-21-2019, 03:40 AM
8th pick. Currently on the clock, is available

Shammyguy3
05-21-2019, 11:16 AM
8th pick that is almost OTC is available. I only want to drop a few spots in the 1st round

Shammyguy3
05-21-2019, 12:18 PM
I'll be picking shortly if I dont trade this pick in the next 10 minutes

Switch
05-21-2019, 12:35 PM
Looking to move up in the 2nd round if anyone wants to trade down

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TO Rapz
05-21-2019, 03:48 PM
I'm open to moving down from 18. PM me offers only.

richiesaurus310
05-21-2019, 05:33 PM
Jordan went second?

I figured LeBron + 44 + 45 is better than MJ + 44 + 66. LeBron has 4 MVPs and 3 out of 16 years hes won a title. Jordan had one More MVP and 6 out of 15 years he won a title. Cant argue that LeBron is better, but the difference isnt worth a much inferior 3rd player in this draft. At least this way Ill have LeBron and 2 other top 50 players. Plus LeBron gives me more flexibility roster wise.

Quinnsanity
05-21-2019, 05:52 PM
I figured LeBron + 44 + 45 is better than MJ + 44 + 66. LeBron has 4 MVPs and 3 out of 16 years hes won a title. Jordan had one More MVP and 6 out of 15 years he won a title. Cant argue that LeBron is better, but the difference isnt worth a much inferior 3rd player in this draft. At least this way Ill have LeBron and 2 other top 50 players. Plus LeBron gives me more flexibility roster wise.

FWIW, though I don't disagree with you, building LeBron teams in this tends to be tough, because your instincts based on what works with him IRL tend to conflict with the rankings people have in here from a talent perspective. So you either build a team with the right talent that people argue with in regards to fit, or you build a team with the right fit that people say isn't talented enough. The standard is just super high. You don't really get the benefit of the doubt that MJ does. Having gone the LeBron path, I'd prefer to have MJ even with the tax.

valade16
05-21-2019, 07:22 PM
Dunkapolooza sends:

Round 5, pick 95
Round 6, pick 126

Lakers + Giants sends:

Round 4, pick 80
Round 8, pick 168

AI
05-21-2019, 07:59 PM
Ill send my # to Valade

valade16
05-22-2019, 12:47 AM
Valade16 sends:

Round 2, pick 27
Round 3, pick 61

TO Rapz sends:

Round 1, pick 17
Round 6, pick 116

Quinnsanity
05-22-2019, 12:49 AM
My 3 and 4 for someone's 2 and 10. I have one specific player in mind, so I'll only make the deal if he's available.

AI
05-22-2019, 01:17 AM
Might move down from my 2nd pick. Send offers!

Shammyguy3
05-22-2019, 12:29 PM
I want to move up in the 2nd round. My pick is #37, PM me if you are willing to drop

valade16
05-22-2019, 12:36 PM
Wrench sends:

Round 2, pick 39
Round 5, pick 94
Round 6, pick 127

Soxtober sends:

Round 2, pick 24
Round 6, pick 112
Round 7, pick 153

AI
05-22-2019, 12:57 PM
SWITCH CHECK YOUR PMs

dhopisthename
05-22-2019, 01:43 PM
UTB sends:

Round 2, Pick 25
Round 6, pick 113

TO Rapz sends:
Round 2, pick 28
Round 5, pick 105

unleashthebeast
05-22-2019, 01:43 PM
Looking to move my 3rd and 4th to either get back into the 2nd or maybe for an early 3rd. Hit me up

dhopisthename
05-22-2019, 01:56 PM
AI Gets

Round 2, pick 24
Round 3, pick 49
Round 4, pick 83

Wrench Gets

Dwyane Wade
Round 3, pick 65
Round 4, pick 67

Dunkapolooza
05-22-2019, 02:26 PM
Trying to move up in the second will drop in the third and fourth

Shammyguy3
05-22-2019, 02:40 PM
Barkley was a steal, best value pick of the draft so far

ccugrad1
05-22-2019, 03:02 PM
A lot of reaches in round 1

Shammyguy3
05-22-2019, 03:05 PM
A lot of reaches in round 1

Besides Kawhi who was a reach

Quinnsanity
05-22-2019, 05:25 PM
Bill Russell can be had in a trade down

Quinnsanity
05-22-2019, 05:27 PM
I wanted Kawhi with my second rounder. Granted, that was less value and more because of how fun it would have been to have Pippen and Kawhi, but I don't think he was a reach. We go through this **** every year. People make great "value" picks based on all time rankings, but then when it comes down to actually matching up, someone like Kawhi tends to be a lot more valuable than someone like, say, Dirk, just because his skill set lends itself far more to an All-Star team.

valade16
05-22-2019, 05:59 PM
AI gets:

Round 2, pick 43
Round 3, pick 66
Round 4, pick 87

G1 gets:

Karl Malone
Round 4, pick 83
Round 5, pick 110

Raps18-19 Champ
05-22-2019, 06:37 PM
Can someone tell next guy he is up?

richiesaurus310
05-22-2019, 08:01 PM
Looking to trade back from 3-45. I'd need to upgrade my pick 4-88 or 5-89 to do it. Send me offers, I'm gonna be at work the rest of the day.

Quinnsanity
05-22-2019, 08:46 PM
My 3 and 4 for someone's 2 and 10. I have one specific player in mind, so I'll only make the deal if he's available.

This. My guy is still available. You can have two studs for the price of one!

richiesaurus310
05-22-2019, 10:44 PM
SHammy is otc at 45 not me. Me just made a trade for 51.

Switch
05-22-2019, 11:50 PM
Looking to move up from my 86th pick to early 4th or late 3rd round

unleashthebeast
05-23-2019, 02:08 AM
Looking to get the highest pick I possibly can by packaging two 5th round picks. Let me know.

Wrench
05-23-2019, 11:00 AM
Looking to move back from 67. Must receive a 4th in return. Goal is to net a 5th round pick. Have 112 and 138 for you to fail to from your 5th.

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valade16
05-23-2019, 11:28 AM
LJ4tplay gets:

Charles Barkley
Round 5, pick 102
Round 6, pick 119

Murphturph gets:

Klay Thompson
Round 3, pick 53
Round 8, pick 167

valade16
05-23-2019, 12:20 PM
Shammy gets:

Round 3, pick 45
Round 4, pick 88
Round 6, pick 132

Richiesaurus gets:

Round 3, pick 51
Round 4, pick 81
Round 6, pick 125

valade16
05-23-2019, 01:55 PM
Valade16 gets:

Round 3, pick 54
Round 7, pick 139

Dhop gets:

Round 4, pick 68
Round 5, pick 101

Shammyguy3
05-23-2019, 05:00 PM
No picks for 4 hours?

GREATNESS ONE
05-23-2019, 05:17 PM
No picks for 4 hours?

we were waiting for TO.... *Sigh*

GREATNESS ONE
05-23-2019, 05:23 PM
Steal of the draft! So far you're winning! :speechless:

https://media.giphy.com/media/SGBEemofI1jEI/giphy.gif

AI
05-23-2019, 09:09 PM
Oscar Robertson
Reggie Miller
Chris Webber
Dwight Howard
Upcoming 4th

TRADES

Capnwalnuts42
05-23-2019, 09:38 PM
Free Beer

Starting Lineup
PG: John Sockton
SG: Joe Dumars
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Bob McAdoo
C: Not Selected

Bench
6: Not Selected
7: Not Selected
8: Not Selected
9: Not Selected
10: Not Selected

dhopisthename
05-23-2019, 11:41 PM
Dhop gets
Round 4, pick 79
Round 7, pick 128

Greatness gets
Round 4, pick 74
Round 8, pick 156

dhopisthename
05-23-2019, 11:46 PM
UTB gets
Round 4, pick 75
fa slot

LJ4ptplay gets
round 5, pick 100
round 5. pick 103

valade16
05-24-2019, 12:09 AM
Why was Dunka skipped?

dhopisthename
05-24-2019, 12:12 AM
he logged off at 8:25 and thurmond was picked at 8:21. I think thats within 3

Dunkapolooza
05-24-2019, 02:19 AM
Looking to upgrade a starting position in a 2 for 1 if I can get a pick coming up

Wrench
05-24-2019, 08:26 AM
Looking to move up from 91 if anyone would like to drop a handful.

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Killerjug
05-24-2019, 12:40 PM
That's a nice looking trio Valade

Shammyguy3
05-24-2019, 12:53 PM
That's a nice looking trio Valade

You're a nice looking trio

valade16
05-24-2019, 12:58 PM
That's a nice looking trio Valade

Thank you good sir. Perhaps if you have time, and feel so inclined, you could do some PRs? Be nice for everyone to get a 3rd party perspective.

Shammyguy3
05-24-2019, 01:02 PM
Thank you good sir. Perhaps if you have time, and feel so inclined, you could do some PRs? Be nice for everyone to get a 3rd party perspective.

Yessss

valade16
05-24-2019, 01:53 PM
AI gets:

Julius Erving
Kevin McHale
Round 6, pick 121
FA Slot

Soxtober gets:

Chris Webber
Reggie Miller
Round 4, pick 83
Round 6, pick 106

valade16
05-24-2019, 01:55 PM
Lakers + Giants get:

Round 4, pick 66
Round 8, pick 146

Wrench gets:

Round 5, pick 91
Round 5, pick 93

valade16
05-24-2019, 02:07 PM
WRench gets:

Round 4, pick 66
Round 7, pick 145

UTB gets

Round 3, pick 62
FA Slot

valade16
05-24-2019, 02:11 PM
Capn Walnuts gets:

Joe Dumars
Round 6, pick 114

Dhopisthebame gets:

Round 4, pick 74
Round 5, pick 95

valade16
05-24-2019, 02:58 PM
Valade16 gets:

Julius Erving
Dwight Howard
FA slot

AI gets:

David Robinson
Round 6, pick 110
Round 6, pick 111

Quinnsanity
05-24-2019, 03:13 PM
Stop offering me your 3rd and 4th round picks for Scottie Pippen

Shammyguy3
05-24-2019, 03:25 PM
Round 6 (126th) -*
Round 7 (134th) -*
Round 8 (161st) -

G: Magic Johnson -*
G: John Havlicek -*
F: Glen Rice -*
F: Bill Laimbeer -*
C: Alonzo Mourning -

I really like my starting 5, but I'm open to trade proposals

richiesaurus310
05-24-2019, 03:34 PM
Looking to move up to an upcoming pick (119+127).

Also have Dominique Wilkins who can be had for a point guard or upgrade at center (Robert Parish).

AI
05-24-2019, 03:47 PM
PG: Oscar Robertson
SG:
SF:
PF: Kevin McHale
C: David Robinson

Plus I have two back to back 6ths coming up.

SEND OFFERS!!!!!

Lakers + Giants
05-24-2019, 10:50 PM
Steph Curry
Manu Ginobili / David Thompson (Pre 80s)
Draymond Green / Pau Gasol
Willis Reed (Pre 80s)
146, 153

TRADES

Shammyguy3
05-25-2019, 12:14 AM
Can someone update the draft board

Quinnsanity
05-25-2019, 03:18 AM
Kind of liberating not to have a great team this time around. I don't care what this does to me in voting. You ****ers aren't voting for me anyway with this team. I don't have to pretend to be nice. If I have reason to believe your clubhouse isn't up to date I reserve the right to leave you off. Before we start, just a basic look at my criteria:

- Defense matters more than offense in this game in my opinion because mostly all-time greats make up the rosters, and all-time greats are almost all great offensively. Defensively? They range all over the ****ing map. I get that there's a difference between, say, Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler, but the gap between the best player on any two teams in this game is going to be minuscule compared to what it would be in real life. Everyone is going to be able to generate offense in this, even if some teams will do so far more easily than others. But there will be teams that aren't good defensively.

- Fit is the single most important thing to me. Again, the talent gaps here are tiny. The fit gaps are enormous. We're not building fantasy teams here. If I vote for a team to win this game, it's because I think it would beat the others on the court, in real games.

- On that note, I account for personalities. If you have five dudes in your starting lineup who were all alphas, that counts for something. Chemistry matters. I want teams where players will be comfortable in their roles.

Let's roll.

1. G1: I was skeptical of MJ and Malone at first. MJ's not really a pick and roll player, there are definitely better stars to put around him, and trading up twice with the MJ tax should have crippled this team's depth. But he nailed all three of his other starter slots. Very nice spacing with Peja and Sam Jones, who are both cool without the ball. Wallace shores up the D. I think this team needs a but more of point guard MJ (which he did for stretches in the 80's), but I really like it a lot.

2. Murph. This team is ****ing awesome and I love how it matches up with the best teams here. I really don't care that it lacks a marquee guy. Tell me what this team doesn't have? Great spacing 2-4. Great defense EVERYWHERE. Kawhi is perfectly capable of leading a late-game offense as we're seeing in these playoffs. I wish there was a bit more shot-creation in the starting five. No really elite passers here by this game's standards. I really don't care. I love this team. It's less talented than G1's but I'd probably pick it from a matchup perspective if they met up.

3. Walnuts. Gotta nail that center slot. I'd go modern, and I'm thinking of two guys who make a lot of sense. Great defense all around. Tons of space for a Stockton-modern big man PnR, but it's not a play that you have to be overly reliant on when you have Larry ****ing Bird. Ball movement with this group is going to be a delight. This is the team I'd want to watch play.

4. Switch. Man take a mulligan on Petit. Draft someone else, trade him, whatever you've gotta do. He is one of the most useless old dudes in this. What can you sell him as? Not a shooter since he played in the 50's. Probably not a defender either. Not sure what purpose he serves. The other four dudes though? Airtight. That backcourt D is legit. Nice space for Shaq to work. When you have the best offensive player for the purposes of this game and a defense that can lock down the two best perimeter players on the other side, you're going to go far.

5. RedRum. There are matchups this team is going to struggle in, but holy **** the transition fun of Wilt rebounding and those three athletes running the floor together is gonna be nice. Shooting 1-4, and Wilt is goddamn Wilt.

6. UTB. Sign me the **** up for a KG-Walton frontcourt. Sign me up again for those passers working with a smart cutter like Chauncey and a super athlete like Gervin. Love the defense. I do wonder about Chauncey and Artest on the same team after the malice, but Chauncey's a mature dude.

7. Valade. Kidd and Dr. J in transition would be a joy to watch. But yea, color me disappointed in that Admiral trade. I LOVED the fit of Robinson and Dirk. Kidd was a nice third with them. Just needed shooters on the perimeter and you were set. This team is more muddled now. I'm not sure what it is in the halfcourt offensively. The Dwight-bola virus is already infecting this team, and Kidd's kind of a dick too. Overtrading is death in this game. Valade did it.

This concludes the interesting portion of the list. The rest of you? Eh. I could really take or leave what you did.

8. Richie. Offense would be a joy to watch. Not sure what's going on defensively here though.

9. Wrench. Love the Wade-Hakeem duo. Hardaway is totally redundant. Not enough outside shooting.

10. TO. Pretty neat little team. Harden and Love together is yukky thinks it takes away Harden's only hiding spot (the post). Neither Ewing nor Love are really PnR big men either so that hurts the Harden fit. I like West with Harden though. West-Harden-Ewing is just such a talented trio that I'm willing to overlook other issues.

11. McHale and Robinson are redundant. Not enough shooting. I do like the idea of Oscar with Robinson though. I think they'd enjoy each other.

12. L+G. If you're gonna do the Draymond thing in this game, and I'm not morally opposed to it, you have to pair him with a center who fits the Shaq criteria. But I'm sorry, Draymond with a 6'9'' center is death in this game. I liked the Harden-Curry fit a lot by the way. Sort of wish you'd seen it through. Just the thought of Curry running around screens while Harden probed really excited me, and you Draymond's ability to cover space helps his defensive issues a lot. You can still run some Curry off ball stuff with Manu, but he doesn't warp the defense in nearly the same way.

13. Shammy. I guess I just wish this team was more athletic. If you're building a Magic team in this, own it and go full fast break. Hondo ran a lot in Boston, but I just don't see a team here that's suited for his strengths.

14. Chisox. Another team I'd love to watch. Nash-Mullin-Kemp breaks would be hoops porn. Grant Hill is redundant though. Defense is bad. But this is the rare offense that has that great transition element while also really having the halfcourt anchor. ****ing Kareem is on this team. Would play a lot of 145-140 games.

15. TO. Elgin Baylor is on the bench. You're doing this wrong. If you constructed a team in which you think it makes sense to have Elgin Baylor on the bench, then break up that team and rebuild it so that Elgin Baylor is no longer on the bench. And stop with the 2k Ratings. Everyone in this game has a high 2k rating.

16. DHop. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The **** are Kobe and Giannis doing on the same team? They make zero sense together. What is Giannis do while Kobe jab steps? Kobe's gonna chill in the corner while Giannis attacks the basket? You're damn sure not running any effective pick-and-roll on a team with Rodman and an unnamed center. Enjoy three men standing between the ball-handler and the basket. Mark Price is the saving grace here.

17. Dunk. I'm not sure what Penny and Moncrief are supposed to do while CP3 dribbles.

18. Matter. Space is important.

19. L4. I'm not sure what this team is or what it's trying to be. What is the goal here?

20. Soxtober. I had to look at this roster for a full minute just to figure out who the high picks were.

Redrum187
05-25-2019, 07:11 AM
Don't skip me, i sent my list in.

AI
05-25-2019, 08:33 AM
PG: Oscar Robertson
SG: Dale Ellis - Mitch Richmond
SF: Andrei Kirilenko
PF: Kevin McHale
C: David Robinson

TRADES!!!! HIT ME UP!!!!

Wrench
05-25-2019, 08:36 AM
Don't skip me, i sent my list in.But your otc lol

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

TO Rapz
05-25-2019, 09:00 AM
Jerry West - Kyrie Irving
James Harden
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Love
Patrick Ewing

Open to anything. Looking to move Kyrie + Love for an upgrade at the 4. Have two picks coming up.

Redrum187
05-25-2019, 11:10 AM
But your otc lol

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

I' am picking right now <3

Wrench
05-25-2019, 11:14 AM
123. ChiSox

124. Switch

125. Greatness One

126. Shammyguy via Richisaurus

Round 7

Where we are at with the board so far off

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Shammyguy3
05-25-2019, 01:06 PM
Round 7 (134th) -
Round 8 (161st) -

G: Magic Johnson - Mookie Blaylock
G: John Havlicek
F: Glen Rice
F: Bill Laimbeer
C: Alonzo Mourning

Let's goooooo

Wrench
05-25-2019, 02:11 PM
Hakeem
Wade
Battier/Alex English
Bobby Jones
Tim Hardaway

Willing to deal, big or small

Hakeem is more available than Wade but I'll talk either.

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Shammyguy3
05-25-2019, 03:08 PM
We really need the board updated

TO Rapz
05-25-2019, 07:06 PM
Adrian Dantley anyone? Could do 2 upcoming picks.

Wrench
05-25-2019, 07:16 PM
Asked TT to give me powers in here so I could help as it seems V and Dhop are busy. Board is up to date.

Wrench
05-25-2019, 07:19 PM
Posting this as picks where made with the trade anyways

TO gets:

SG: James Harden
6th (120)
7th (135)

L+G gets:

SG: Manu Ginobli
PF: Pau Gasol
8th (153)

Wrench
05-25-2019, 08:39 PM
Was OK'd by V

Sox gets:

PG: Kyrie Irving
PF: Kevin Love
7th round (142)

To gets:

PF: Chris Webber
SF: Adrian dantley
FA slot

AI
05-25-2019, 08:40 PM
PG: Oscar Robertson
SG: Manu Ginobili
SF: Andrei Kirilenko
PF: Pau Gasol
C: David Robinson

NEW TEAM - SEND OFFERS

Shammyguy3
05-25-2019, 09:11 PM
Round 8 (161st) -

G: Magic Johnson - Mookie Blaylock
G: John Havlicek
F: Glen Rice
F: Bill Laimbeer - Blake Griffin
C: Alonzo Mourning

Could upgrade either at 2 or 4 spots

Lakers + Giants
05-25-2019, 09:38 PM
Steph Curry /
Mitch Richmond / David Thompson
Draymond Green / Dale Ellis
Kevin McHale /
Willis Reed
153
TRADES

Wrench
05-25-2019, 10:10 PM
Valade said I can help process trades as well, so send them to both him and I. Doing so on Discord is fine too.

Wrench
05-25-2019, 10:19 PM
Sox sends:

Kyrie Irving
Pete Maravich
R7-142


Wrench sends:

Tim Hardaway
Alex English
R7-145

Wrench
05-25-2019, 10:21 PM
L+G sends:

Pau Gasol
Manu Ginobili
R7-146

AI sends:

Kevin McHale
Dale Ellis
Mitch Richmound

Wrench
05-26-2019, 01:28 PM
Sox sends:

Alex English

Dunk sends:

R7: 160

Wrench
05-26-2019, 02:19 PM
Redrum sends:

Shawn Marion
Alvin Robertson
FA Slot

LG sends:

Draymond Green
Dale Ellis
R7: 153

Wrench
05-26-2019, 03:20 PM
Redrum gets:
Dave Cowens
FA Slot

Sully gets:
Marcus Camby

UTB gets:
Pick # 164

Wrench
05-26-2019, 06:23 PM
TO sends:

Adrian Dantley

Murph sends:

R8-159

dhopisthename
05-26-2019, 08:32 PM
Dhop gets
Steph Curry
Alvin Robertson

LG gets
Kobe Bryant
Mark Price

Redrum187
05-27-2019, 03:54 AM
So free agency is Tuesday the 28th at 10 am central (8 am pacific, 11 am eastern)? :D

Wrench
05-27-2019, 11:12 AM
Quinn sends:
Allen Iverson
Chris Bosh
Bruce Bowen

Sox sends:
Reggie Miller
Kevin Love
Latrell Spreewell

richiesaurus310
05-27-2019, 04:09 PM
How does free agency work in this? Is it just first come first serve? Or do you have to wait a period of time in between signings?

Quinnsanity
05-27-2019, 05:01 PM
Russell Westbrook
Reggie Miller/Danny Green
Scottie Pippen/Tayshaun Prince
Kevin Love/Latrell Spreewell
Bill Russell

I'm open to anything. Could trade any of my top guys. Could package two of them for a big star. I'm open minded here. But I really like this new version of the team and don't feel totally compelled to make any more moves.

Wrench
05-27-2019, 05:21 PM
LG gets:
George Gervin
Ron Artest
Chauncey Billups

UTB gets:
Kobe Bryant
David Thompson
FA Slot

Wrench
05-27-2019, 05:22 PM
Void

Wrench
05-27-2019, 06:10 PM
Hakeem Olajuwon / Arvydas Sabonis
Bobby Jones
Shane Battier / Dan Majerle
Dwyane Wade / Pete Maravich
Kyrie Irving / Derek Harper


Will listen on any offer. Seems alot want Bobby Jones but being he his my pre 79 he won't be cheap also need another one back.

richiesaurus310
05-27-2019, 06:36 PM
Trying to upgrade at center, and find a more defensive minded starting point guard (preferably someone hat can shoot).

Damian Lillard | Maurice Cheeks
Ray Allen
Rick Barry | Dominique Wilkins
LeBron James | LaMarcus Aldridge
Robert Parish

dhopisthename
05-28-2019, 12:45 AM
LG gets
Jeff Hornacek
Tyson Chandler

Valade gets
Mitch Richmond
+ FA

Wrench
05-28-2019, 01:04 AM
UTB sends:
David Thompson
Ben Simmons

Sox sends:
Bruce Bowen
Tim Hardaway

Quinnsanity
05-28-2019, 04:10 AM
Anyone got a point guard I'd like for Sprewell? I'm a bit heavy on wings.

Wrench
05-28-2019, 01:07 PM
G1 gets:
Tim Hardaway

UTB gets:
Sam Jones

Wrench
05-28-2019, 01:07 PM
UTB sends
Kobe Bryant
FA slot
FA Slot

Wrench sends
Dwyane Wade
Kyrie Irving
Shane Battier

valade16
05-28-2019, 01:56 PM
If you wish to add/drop a player, do so here.

State who you are dropping and who you wish to add.

TO Rapz
05-28-2019, 02:02 PM
Drop: Kristaps Porzingis (**** all of you hes still the unicorn)
Add: David West

Shammyguy3
05-28-2019, 02:11 PM
G: Magic Johnson - Mookie Blaylock
G: John Havlicek - Michael Finley
F: Glen Rice - Gerald Wallace
F: Bill Laimbeer - Blake Griffin
C: Alonzo Mourning - Vlade Divac

Lakers + Giants
05-28-2019, 02:25 PM
CP3 / Mark Price
George Gervin / Penny Hardaway
Peja Stojakovic /Alex English
Kevin McHale / Ben Wallace
Jack Sikma / Tyson Chandler

Wrench
05-28-2019, 02:27 PM
Hakeem Olajuwon / Arvydas Sabonis
Bobby Jones / Larry Nance
Dan Majerle /
Kobe Bryant / Raja Bell / Pete Maravich
Derek Harper / Nate McMillan

Mostly looking to move a guard for a wing

AI
05-28-2019, 02:33 PM
PG: Oscar Robertson - Tiny Archibald
SG: Manu Ginobili - Doug Christie
SF: Jimmy Butler - Toni Kukoc
PF: Chris Webber - Robert Horry
C: David Robinson - DeAndre Jordan

Open to deals... looking to move Webber and possibly others for a better fit.

Wrench
05-28-2019, 02:40 PM
TO gets:
Pau Gasol
Andrei Kirilenko

AI gets:
Chris Webber
Jimmy Butler

valade16
05-28-2019, 02:41 PM
Valade gets:

Tim Hardaway

G1 gets:

Elton Brand

valade16
05-28-2019, 02:42 PM
AI gets

Chris Webber
Jimmy Butler

TO gets

Pau Gasol
Andrei Kirilenko

dhopisthename
05-28-2019, 03:40 PM
dhop gets:
Ben Simmons
Artis Gilmore
David Thompson
Rip Hamilton

Sox gets:
Dennis Rodman
Joel Embiid
Byron Scott
David DeBusschere

Dunkapolooza
05-28-2019, 04:06 PM
Looking to move Marion and (Billups or Moncrief or Reed) for an upgrade.

dhopisthename
05-28-2019, 04:19 PM
Drop: Ben Simmons
Add:buck Williams

dhopisthename
05-28-2019, 04:40 PM
looking to move Alvin Robertson or David thompson for SF

Wrench
05-28-2019, 04:47 PM
Sox sends:
Chris Bosh
Marcus Camby

Wrench sends:
Pete Maravich
Arvydas Sabonis

TO Rapz
05-28-2019, 05:38 PM
Add: Ben Simmons
Drop: Ben Simmons

Quinnsanity
05-28-2019, 06:30 PM
Drop Latrell Sprewell

Add Ben Simmons

unleashthebeast
05-28-2019, 07:10 PM
Dont see Wade - KG - Walton moving

Want to move the guys below for a different kind of starting guard next to Wade (open to any offers involving them though):
Bruce Bowen
Sam Jones
Kyrie Irving
Mike Conley
Shane Battier
Paul Milsap
Brad Beal

richiesaurus310
05-28-2019, 07:17 PM
Drop Victor Oladipo

Add Latrell Sprewell

Wrench
05-28-2019, 08:10 PM
Hakeem Olajuwon / Marcus Camby
Chris Bosh / Larry Nance
Bobby Jones / Dan Majerle
Kobe Bryant / Raja Bell
Derek Harper / Nate McMillan


Mostly looking to deal Harper/McMillan with someone to get a upgrade at PG. Offer away.

dhopisthename
05-29-2019, 04:35 PM
Sully Sends:

Vince Carter
Dennis Johnson
Dave Debusschere

LG sends:

George Gervin
Penny Hardaway
Peja Stojokavic

Matter.
05-29-2019, 05:24 PM
Trying to adjust my Lineup

Moses/
Hayes/Jamison
Iguodala/Lewis
Drexler
KJ/Rose

Dunkapolooza
05-29-2019, 08:19 PM
Add oladipo

Drop Bob dandridge

Redrum187
05-29-2019, 08:44 PM
Magic-lite aka Micheal Ray Richardson is on the table... He's a 2x All First Team defense and 3x STLs league leader. 16.5/6.8/8.4/2.9/.5 player.

Hersey Hawkins is also available. He's a great defender and an even better 3 point shooter (40% from 3): 20.4/3.8/3.6/2/.5 player having a TS% .588.

I'm looking to trade my superior players for your sh*ttier players that have more name value.

Quinnsanity
05-30-2019, 01:40 AM
Magic-lite aka Micheal Ray Richardson is on the table... He's a 2x All First Team defense and 3x STLs league leader. 16.5/6.8/8.4/2.9/.5 player.

Hersey Hawkins is also available. He's a great defender and an even better 3 point shooter (40% from 3): 20.4/3.8/3.6/2/.5 player having a TS% .588.

I'm looking to trade my superior players for your sh*ttier players that have more name value.

If this is your clumsy way of asking for Danny Green then the answer is no.

Lakers + Giants
05-30-2019, 02:30 AM
If this is your clumsy way of asking for Danny Green then the answer is no.

Lemme get Ben Wallace 2.0 tho.

Redrum187
05-30-2019, 03:11 AM
Drop Micheal Ray Richardson

Add Fat Lever

Redrum187
05-30-2019, 03:17 AM
Magic-lite aka Micheal Ray Richardson is on the table... He's a 2x All First Team defense and 3x STLs league leader. 16.5/6.8/8.4/2.9/.5 player.

Hersey Hawkins is also available. He's a great defender and an even better 3 point shooter (40% from 3): 20.4/3.8/3.6/2/.5 player having a TS% .588.

I'm looking to trade my superior players for your sh*ttier players that have more name value.

Fat Lever planted a white powdery substance in Micheal Ray Richardson's gym bag right before team drug tests. Needless to say, MRR has been released.

I will be open to offers for Hawkins and Fat Lever (career 40% from 3 in the playoffs and made the All Defensive team)...

valade16
05-30-2019, 03:42 AM
Note these are my opinions, and they are probably wrong. But here we go:

Finals contenders:


UTB - 9.5/10

PG: Mike Conley | Kyrie Irving
SG: Dwyane Wade | Sam Jones | Bradley Beal
SF: Shane Battier | Bruce Bowen
PF: Kevin Garnett | Paul Milsap
C: Bill Walton

KG and Walton would be just phenomenal passing and I believe this team should run offensively through the high/low post. Both are also capable of stepping out for jumpers to give Wade room to drive. Also like the call to start Conley over Kyrie as I think he fits the lineup better, and Kyrie would make a great second unit leading scorer. Defense will be amazing, though I'd probably start Bowen over Battier but that's personal preference and both are doing the same role in that spot anyway. Great trio and great team around them.

Wrench - 9.0/10

PG: Derek Harper | Nate McMillan
SG: Kobe Bryant | Raja Bell
SF: Bobby Jones | Dan Majerle
PF: Chris Bosh | Larry Nance
C: Hakeem Olajuwon | Marcus Camby

Kobe/Hakeem pairing is just great, and I wonder how they'd compare to Kobe/Shaq. Bosh next to Hakeem is a good fit as well as Bosh can step out when Hakeem goes in and vice versa. Also defensively Bosh is best when defending the PnR in space and he has Hakeem to cover the paint for him. Bench is a mix of good pieces and pieces that don't seem to have much of a purpose. I wonder how Bobby Jones would handle the more athletic SFs of today, but then again I'd wonder how he would handle the bigger PFs if he were there, so it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Bottom line is he's a great defender that will bring value there, though I think you probably need more shooting around Kobe/Hakeem (but I'm betting that's what Bell and Majerle are for).


Conference Finals contenders:


Dunkapolooza - 8.5/10

PG: Chauncey Billups | Paul Westphal
SG: Sidney Moncrief | Victor Oladipo
SF: Shawn Marion | Marques Johnson
PF: Willis Reed | Clifford Robinson
C: Tim Duncan | Jerry Lucas

Love the defense on this team. 3 Finals MVPs bring a ton of clutch play as well. I always wondered who would play Duncan at C but he has the perfect compliment in Reed as an undersized C. They can interchange at PF/C. Bench is full of quality older guys but the only major concern here is the 3-point shooting. Billups is nice but Marion is a career 33% shooter, which is good but not great. But it's more about the bench. I know Lucas could hit the 3, but will anybody else buy it? Swap some bench pieces for more floor spacers.

Greatness One - 8.5/10

PG: Deron Williams | Lou Williams
SG: Michael Jordan | Jeff Hornacek
SF: Ron Artest | Steve Smith
PF: Karl Malone | Elton Brand
C: Bob Lanier | Marc Gasol

Obviously MJ but Artest is a lesser Scottie Pippen there defensively, creating a great combo. I like Deron Williams with Karl Malone a lot. He was great at the pick and roll with Boozer and now he has perhaps the greatest big man at the PnR in Malone. Also gives their offense something else besides hand the ball to MJ. Hornacek and Smith are good off the bench as floor spacers for MJ to get space to work, but I do wonder what happens to Deron/Malone when MJ goes to work and what they plan to do when they run a PnR.

AI - 8.0/10

PG: Oscar Robertson | Tiny Archibald
SG: Manu Ginobili | Doug Christie
SF: Jimmy Butler | Toni Kukoc
PF: Chris Webber | Robert Horry
C: David Robinson | DeAndre Jordan

This is perhaps the most talented starting lineup top to bottom. The passing between Big O, Manu, C-Webb would be great. Big O and Manu running PnR with D-Rob would be great. The bench is Tiny and role players who are uninspiring. The bench is as not talented as the starting unit is. Nitpicking but the starting lineup could probably use more 3pt shooting, though Butler is decent (34%) and even though he never shot any, I think Big O would be a good 3pt shooter considering he was an 85.5% FT shooter in his prime.

TO - 8.0/10

PG: Jerry West | Kemba Walker
SG: James Harden | Kyle Korver
SF: Andrei Kirilenko | Khris Middleton
PF: Pau Gasol | David West
C: Patrick Ewing | Clint Capela

Team has too many current players, but that aside it is a great team. Harden and Ewing have the choker label,, but pairing them with West, one of the most clutch playoff performers ever, and Pau was good move. Team has nice mix of defense and offense. West can shoot next to Harden or take over play making when Harden is not. Pau/Ewing is a good fit and can swap high/low post duties offensively. Team does need more 3pt shooting around Harden, which is where Korver/Middleton come in.

Redrum - 8.0/10

PG: Terry Porter | Micheal Ray Richardson
SG: Paul George | Hersey Hawkins
SF: Tracy McGrady | Dale Ellis
PF: Draymond Green | Dave Cowens
C: Wilt Chamberlain | Nikola Jokic

Lots of length on the wings, and Green would be especially potent next to Wilt here. I think Lillard has passed Terry Porter as a PG in terms of talent, but Porter mixes well here to be a facilitator who can play off ball for PG and T-Mac and also shoot 3's. I do wonder if T-Mac, Wilt and PG can coexist going long periods seeing the others work, but you can question that to an extent for all teams in this. Already said L+G has the best bench, but this is in serious consideration. Jokic would be great, Cowens is an MVP and Ellis and Hawkins were great shooters.


2nd Round Contenders:


Murph - 7.5/10

PG: Walt Frazier | Mike Bibby
SG: Klay Thompson | Joe Johnson
SF: Kawhi Leonard | Adrian Dantley
PF: Rasheed Wallace | Serge Ibaka
C: Dikembe Mutombo | Karl Anthony-Towns

This team is the ultimate test of whether defense and fit can defeat superior talent, as it lacks the top end talent of other contenders but is just near perfectly built. All the players were great and more importantly smart defenders. Team has great 3pt shooting and can run all kinds of fun offensive sets. My only concern is how heavy a load Kawhi will have to carry being the best player offensively for this team. He's doing it IRL, but could he do it in an All-Time game? Dantley and Towns off the bench help in this regard. Great team fit wise.

Switch - 7.5/10

PG: Gary Payton | Jason Terry
SG: Michael Cooper | Allan Houston
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Bob Pettit | Horace Grant
C: Shaquille O'Neal | AC Green

Pierce and GP are great pieces next to Shaq, and he has enough shooting to space for Shaq to work down low. Pettit is odd because I'm not sure how he fits (and I don't think anybody is). In terms of backup bigs it's role players to I assume fit around Shaq and Pettit if one is out. Will be a tough defensive match-up for any team, but I feel like there is a drop off in talent after the the first 3-4 guys. It comes off as an actual NBA team talent-wise and it probably needs to upgrade to win.

Dhop - 7.5/10

PG: Steph Curry | Alvin Robertson
SG: Brandon Roy | Jrue Holiday
SF: David Thompson | Rip Hamilton
PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo | Buck Williams
C: Artis Gilmore | Rudy Gobert

Curry and Giannis is an interesting combo. I'm curious what kind of action this team runs. Roy and Giannis are best with the ball in their hands and I fear Curry gets relegated to ancillary shooter here. The fast break with Curry/Thompson/Giannis will be great, though in the half court Giannis, Thompson and Roy are best when going to the hoop and Gilmore does not have a ton of range and could muck things up. Love the bench pieces as they each bring something their starting counterpart lacks, so they can definitely help match-ups.

ChiSox - 7.5/10

PG: Steve Nash | Sam Cassell
SG: Chris Mullin | Tony Allen
SF: Grant Hill | Lamar Odom
PF: Shawn Kemp | Al Horford
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar | Joakim Noah

The more I look at this team the more I like it. It leaned into it's fast-break Nash based offense perfectly. Kareem has plenty of experience in that offense and can be the centerpiece of the half court offense when needed. Nash/Kemp is just a great pairing for PnR and fast breaks and Mullin shooting and Hill's driving ability are great here too. I love that the bench is filled with grittier defensive players as well who can come in because that's this team's biggest problem. Nash/Mullin is a disaster waiting to happen defensively.

Raps08-09 - 7.25/10

PG: Kyle Lowry | Tony Parker
SG: Elgin Baylor | Eddie Jones
SF: Kevin Durant | Luol Deng
PF: Anthony Davis | Detlef Schrempf
C: Nate Thurmond | Wes Unseld

I wonder how much better the KD/AD combo will look in 10 years? As is it's still a beastly combo. Thurmond is also a great defensive anchor for AD and can guard the other teams top big man if need be. Baylor and KD have sort of similar ball dominance playing style, so I'm curious what he does when the other has the ball. Also Baylor played PF back then, and while he could probably get away with SG due to his athleticism, I wonder what the plan is defensively. Team is one move away from shooting up the rankings.


First Round exit:


Shammy - 7.0/10

PG: Magic Johnson | Mookie Blaylock
SG: John Havlicek | Michael Finley
SF: Glen Rice | Gerald Wallace
PF: Bill Laimbeer | Blake Griffin
C: Alonzo Mourning | Vlade Divac

Nice team but I felt could have done more to maximize the fast break offense with Magic. I'd probably start Griffin over Laimbeer just for the fast break and lob opportunities. Hondo is a great defender and the team did get some good bench pieces to plug in problem areas they have. Zo is good but what do they do in the half-court here? It seems like they tried to build to play both on the break and in the half-court but both came up as a little short.

Matter - 7.0/10

PG: Kevin Johnson | Derrick Rose
SG: Clyde Drexler |
SF: Andre Iguodala | Rashard Lewis
PF: Elvin Hayes | Antawn Jamison
C: Moses Malone

Talented team that needs 3pt shooting badly. Iggy is the best 3pt shooter in the starting lineup at 33% and Clyde is at 32%. I know you had said you like KJ's facilitating and he is great at that, but offensively what does he need to facilitate? The offense seems like it's heavily predicated on Hayes and Moses post ups. Derrick Rose is a great bench piece and I wonder how the dynamic changes when he starts.

L+G - 7.0/10

PG: Chris Paul | Mark Price
SG: Vince Carter | Dennis Johnson
SF: Dave DeBusschere | Alex English
PF: Kevin McHale | Jack Sikma
C: Ben Wallace | Tyson Chandler

A team with a lot of depth but doesn't seem to have an identity at the moment. Great defensive starting unit and the bench is the best in the entire game. I do wonder how they plan to play. CP3 likes to slow it down and play half-court and obviously Vince likes to run. I don't know who they plan to build their game plan around but Big Ben and DeBuss in the starting lineup puts a lot of pressure on Vince, McHale and CP3 to score, and I think it forces CP3 to focus more on that then facilitating. Alex English helps there and the bench creates lots of possibilities.

Quinnsanity - 6.5/10

PG: Russell Westbrook | Ben Simmons
SG: Reggie Miller | Danny Green
SF: Scottie Pippen | Tayshaun Prince
PF: Kevin Love | Sam Perkins
C: Bill Russell | Andrew Bogut

I do love this team's make-up, this is just an incredibly deep league this year. Reggie, Pippen and Love are all great offensive players who will also defer and allow Westy to do what he does best (hopefully within reason). Nice mix of shooting and defense to go around Westy's drives. The bench looks like he tried to find the same players as their starters, so I don't know if he rotates it or just brings them all out to have a lesser version of his starters for 10 minutes a game.

Richiesaurus - 6.5/10

PG: Damian Lillard | Maurice Cheeks
SG: Ray Allen | Latrell Sprewell
SF: Rick Barry | Dominique Wilkins
PF: LeBron James | LaMarcus Aldridge
C: Robert Parish | Mark Eaton

The offense is just a perfect LeBron team. 3-point shooters and spacers all around Bron but also players who can create on their own when Bron needs a break. It will be fun watching this vintage offense role. The problem is defensively. The bench has good defensive pieces but it's the trade-off with shooting when they play. An offense built around LeBron and a defense built around LeBron is putting a lot on Bron for an all-time. Nique off the bench is a great scorer when Bron and Barry rest.

LJ4toplay - 6.0/10

PG: Isiah Thomas
SG: Earl Monroe | Drazen Petrovic
SF: Bernard King | Carmelo Anthony
PF: Charles Barkley | Larry Johnson
C: Yao Ming | Amare Stoudemire

This is going to sound very positive for rating you so low, but you have done a very good job for being skipped in R1 and for this being your first time. Turning Klay into Charles was excellent and your team is definitely very talented. It's only problem however is gaping: it is a defensive turnstile. Barkley/Amare/King/Melo/Monroe/Drazen were not known for playing great D and even Yao and Isiah needed other defensive minded players to bring out the best in them. That being said, I hope you continue playing because you really impressed me given your situation. A few trades for some more defensive minded players could have you shooting up this list.

Soxtober - 5.5/10

PG: Allen Iverson | Penny Hardaway
SG: George Gervin | Pete Maravich
SF: Peja Stojokavic | Byron Scott
PF: Dennis Rodman | James Worthy
C: Joel Embiid | Arvydas Sabonis

Traded away talent but the team still has pieces. Not a bad go for your first time and not knowing the intricacies of the game. Team seems like a collection of players at this point and I'd love to read a write-up of how you plan to run your offense. AI, Gervin, Pete and Penny seem like a lot of guys who like the ball in their hands. You have among the best benches in the game with Worthy, Sabonis and Penny. With some trading (which I understand is on the way), this team could get more of an identity.

Wrench
05-30-2019, 09:46 AM
So on the prime years we are using, does it have to be all NBA? Or can a few years be ABA? Didn't see anything in the rules that says one way or another.

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GREATNESS ONE
05-30-2019, 01:12 PM
Power Rankings

Hakeem Olajuwon / Marcus Camby
Chris Bosh / Larry Nance
Bobby Jones / Dan Majerle
Kobe Bryant / Raja Bell
Derek Harper / Nate McMillan

8.5/10

I really enjoy this teams makeup, having Kobe paired with two offensive bigs is a proven formula that has worked. KobE/Hakeem is a excellent duo... I'm not sure Bobby Jones is a SF, they have lack of shooting and Chris Bosh has proven he cannot play with another big man, especially one who needs the ball as much as Hakeem, so unless we're going to make Bosh a 3pt shooter, there's a huge lack of spacing that's killing this team. that PnR offense would be sweet though and this team will be hard to beat.


C: Bill Walton
PF: Kevin Garnett - Paul Milsap
SF: Shane Battier - Bruce Bowen
SG: Dwyane Wade - Sam Jones - Brad Beal
PG: Mike Conley - Kyrie Irving

8/10


At first glance you see a awesome trio of Wade, KG, Walton but if you look deeper into this team, you start to see the flaws, with Wade jacking up 25shots, KG shooting 20+ and Walton shooting 20 shots, you can see where this team is top heavy and it won't leave shots for anyone else on this offense.. Walton/KG form a excellent front court defensively and probably the strongest in this game atm. I'm not too sure what Conley is going to do as he's a extremely high usage rate player but is a better option than Kyrie.. I think a minor move needs to be made for a off ball shooting PG. Overall this is a nice team but has flaws that a defensive perimeter team will easily be able to exploit. Solid team though but noone is believing they will get 100+ shots a game.. the top teams nowadays only get about 90.

PG: Gary Payton/Jason Terry
SG: Michael Cooper/Alan Houston
SF: Paul Pierce/AC Green
PF: Bob Pettit/Horace Grant
C: Shaquille Oneal

7/10

I love how you started this draft acquiring Shaq/Payton/Pierce and Cooper.... but you completely lost me at Petit, talk about a HUGE weakness, he's almost undraftable in these games and teams with a strong PF will easily be able to exploit you running Pick n Rolls were Shaq is very uncomfortable. You were on pace to winning this game but fell flat on your face with Petit, overall this is a very good team and will be a tough out, but if you want to win this thing, you need to figure out another solution than start Petit.

Steve Nash/Sam Cassell
Chris Mullin/Tony Allen
Grant Hill/Lamar Odom
Shawn Kemp/Al Horford
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar/Joakim Noah

7/10

Holy smokes what a offense!! This team would be extremely fun to watch getting up and down the court. KAJ/Nash is one of the best duo's in this game but where you're falling flat is defensively... KAJ can play some interior defense but who's guarding any of the All-time perimeter players? you can't stop one let alone teams with 2 perimeter scorers.. I think wa move for a defensive wing should be a priority, you're one great trade away from being the favorite in this game. Fantastic offense but meh defense.

G: Terry Porter - Fat Lever
SG: Paul George - Hersey Hawkins
SF: Tracy McGrady - Dale Ellis
PF: Draymond Green - Dave Cowens
C: Wilt Chamberlain - Nikola Jokic

7/10

This is one of the sleeper teams in this game, they have no glaring weaknesses... the only major flaw is noone on this team has led their team to a title, sure as role players but notone player has proven they can will their team to the promise land. I think you will be a major spoiler for a lot of teams, and players should want to avoid matching up with you but once we get deeper into the matchups, this team might end up flaring out. Overall fantastic built team and definitely a team to keep an eye for...

G: Walt Frazier/Mike Bibby
SG: Klay Thompson/Adrian Dantley
SF: Kawhi Leonard/Joe Johnson
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Sege Ibaka
C: Dikembe Mutombo/KAT

7/10

I'm bumping this team up soley because of Kawhi Leonard, not only is he one of the few rare wing players to win Back 2 Back DPOY, the guy is elevating his game this year as the best player in the world. I like the pieces you surrounded him with but I think one major mistake is not having the 2 punch, sure we can say Klay or Walt both good role players but I think you made a mistake giving up Barkley, he and Kawhi would be brilliant together add in Frazier and you're the favorite in this game. Overall great job building this team and should be able to win a few rounds, depending on matchups.

PG: Jason Kidd/Tim Hardaway
SG: Mitch Richmond/Gilbert Arenas
SF: Julius Erving/ Mark Aguirre
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/Jermaine ONeal
C: Dwight Howard/Brad Daugherty

7/10

Well this would be fun to watch, you put together a solid bench, but hard to buy Agent 0 off then bench as a effective scorer... the combination of Kidd/Dr J/Dirk would run most teams off the floor, I like Howard but I think you should have stuck to your original plan of Dirk/Drob who complemented each other brilliantly. Dwight/Dirk is still nice but the lack of offense Howard bring other than Lobs hurts, good thing you have a great PG to set them up all day. Good overall team and should be able to win a few rounds but if you want to win this thing, you will need a major move.

G: Magic Johnson - Mookie Blaylock
G: John Havlicek - Michael Finley
F: Glen Rice - Gerald Wallace
F: Bill Laimbeer - Blake Griffin
C: Alonzo Mourning - Vlade Divac

6.5/10

Pretty nice team all around, I think what's killing you is you're too old school, I love old school basketball myself but need to mix in more current talent. Glen Rice is a brilliant shooter and I like the idea of Magic/Mourning but overall I just can't see this team making a deep run without a major trade, maybe send a message to one of the other teams that also needs a shake up to make a run to win this game. great job putting together this team though, would be fun to watch.

PG: Chauncey Billups/Paul westphal
SG: Sidney Moncrief/Bob Dandridge
SF: Shawn Marion/Marquees Johnson
PF: Willis Reed/Clifford Robinson
C: Tim Duncan/Jerry Lucas

6.5/10

You look at this team and you can dig it initially, You see the defensive perimeter with Squid/Billups/Matrix, you can buy Reed/Duncan as a big man duo, Duncan has proven he can play with another big man next to him but that's where it stops... one of the best defensive teams in this game but where's the offense coming from? all of these guys proven they cannot shoot the 3, spacing is going to kill you in this game and the lack of not having a real #2 punch to go with Duncan, you should inquire about Tony Parker, as it will help make your team more fluid. Overall great defensive team but your Achilles heal is not going to be able to keep up with some of these teams offensively.

Oscar Robertson
Manu Ginobili
Jimmy Butler
Chris Webber
David Robinson

6/10

You did a good job putting together a decent team all around with the flurry of trades you made but it looks like you got a bunch of bridesmaids and not 1 bride... Not one player in this has led their team to a title or even a deep playoff run... overall a good decent team but that's where it stops, you will need to make more trades so you can land a top player. overall good team and I am sure you had a a lot of fun making trade after trade lol

PG: Jerry West - Kemba Walker
SG: James Harden - Kyle Korver
SF: Andrei Kirilenko - Khris Middleton
PF: Pau Gasol - David West
C: Patrick Ewing - Clint Capela

5/10

Man was hoping you paired some of these guys with tough, hard nosed players, this looks like the All-Soft team, charmin baby pampers. Harden chokes, West choked, Ewing Choked, Pau can't get aout the first round without Kobe, it's a nice looking team on paper but when you match up with some of these other tough teams, you look as soft as baby butts. I see what you were going for in this team but you missed the boat on grabbing some great defenders.

C: Nate Thurmond/Wes Unseld
PF: Anthony Davis/Deflet Schempf
SF: Kevin Durant/Luol Deng
SG: Elgin Baylor/Eddie Jones
PG: Kyle Lowry/Tony Parker

5/10

The skinny squad, AD/Durant/Baylor together probably weigh less than 500lbs lol this is a good team all around and would love to see what AD/KD would do together but what in the hell are you doing starting Lowry over a proven winner like Tony Parker? Not only is he a proven winner but he has proven time and time again he flourishes with big men, I think you're too hyped right now and 100% need to swap Parker into the starting lineup. Not a bad team overall though but stop with the 2k ratings lol and oh yea....

lets go

PG: Steph Curry/Alvin Robertson
SG: Brandon Roy/Jrue Holiday/
Sf: David Thompson/Rip Hamilton
pf: Giannis Antetokounmpo/buck Williams
C:Artis Gilmore/ Rudy Gobert

5/10

this team confuses me, I don't see Giannis guarding any of these all time great bigs, he could barely handle the Raptors and Kawhi, I think your team would have looked better if the Bucks made the Finals but Giannis got completely exploited and as the "2nd" best player on your team, I just can't buy it... it's a good team all around but probably a early exit, I would still consider making a move and shaking it up a little bit..

PG Damian Lillard | Maurice Cheeks
SG Ray Allen | Latrell Sprewell
SF Rick Barry | Dominique Wilkins
PF LeBron James | LaMarcus Aldridge
C Robert Parish | Mark Eaton

5/10

I just don't get why you would try and start Lebron at PF, when he's the best SF of all time... Surround him with shooters and a legit #2 and you're talking a favorite here, I like the Ray Allen piece on the wing and Dame has shown he can take turns but has yet to prove he can carry a team, this team just missed the mark for me and good try though all around, just would like to have seen a proven formula around Lebron... I think Parish can count as your 70's guy, I would consider making a move for a stretch 4 and moving LBJ to SF.

PG: Chris Paul / Mark Price
SG: Vince Carter / Dennis Johnson
SF: Dave DeBusschere / Alex English
PF: Kevin McHale / Jack Sikma
C: Ben Wallace / Tyson Chandler

5/10

love the two defensive C, really like VC on the wing but I think you know where you made the mistake but giving up a top tier #1rd talent for a bunch of role players, good depth but at this point, you're just playing for fun. I like how you always make different teams, so I would imagine this team won't be the same in a few hours.

C: Moses Malone
PF: Elvin Hayes / Antawn Jamison
SF: Andre Iguodala / Rashard Lewis
SG: Clyde Drexler
PG: Kevin Johnson / Derrick Rose

5/10
I know we all get carried away with shooting but who in this starting lineup is going to spread the floor or even score at a high efficient rate? this is a good overall team and not trying to bash but just not a contender in any sort of means, most like a early exit team.

The rest of the teams are new players, LJ did a great job building his team by being skipped the entire 1st round of talent, somehow came away with Barkley, that killed Murphs team. Sox has done a good job playing this game too, I think he's learning the ropes more this time around and would be watching out for both of these guys next time around when building their teams, I don't see them making the same mistakes as this time. Good job guys and don't get discouraged.

Wrench
05-30-2019, 04:04 PM
AI sends
Tiny Archibald
Kukoc

Sox sends
AI
Pistol Pete

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Wrench
05-30-2019, 04:05 PM
Wrench gets:
Peja Stojokavic
Arvydas Sabonis
Byron Scott

TO gets:
Chris Bosh
Dan Marjle
Joel Embiid

Sully gets:
Pau Gasol
Clint Capala
David West
Marcus Camby

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Wrench
05-30-2019, 04:06 PM
Wrench sends
Derek Harper

Richie sends
Damian Lillard

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valade16
05-30-2019, 06:06 PM
Sox sends:
George Gervin
Pau Gasol
Dennis Rodman
Clint Capela

Sox receives:
Kevin McHale
Jason Kidd
Dave DeBusschere
Jack Sikma

LG sends:
Chris Paul
Kevin McHale
Vince Carter
Dave deBusschere
Jack Sikma

LG receives:
Julius Erving
Pau Gasol
Dennis Rodman
Mitch Richmond
Clint Capela

V16 sends:
Julius Erving
Jason Kidd
Mitch Richmond

V16 receives:
Chris Paul
George Gervin
Vince Carter

Lakers + Giants
05-30-2019, 06:12 PM
Drop: Clint Capela
Add: Danny Ainge

Wrench
05-30-2019, 07:31 PM
Wrench sends:
Arvydas Sabonis
Larry Nance

Sox sends:
Toni Kukoc
David West

Wrench
05-30-2019, 07:32 PM
Drop: David West
Add: Tom Chambers

Wrench
05-30-2019, 08:05 PM
Drop: Byron Scott
Add: Ralph Sampson

valade16
05-30-2019, 08:07 PM
Drop Mark Aguirre
Add: Byron Scott

GREATNESS ONE
05-31-2019, 12:32 AM
Lol no one can shine a turd better than you bae lol

TO Rapz
05-31-2019, 02:13 PM
Voided as Quinn already has Ben Simmons.

Dunkapolooza
05-31-2019, 05:14 PM
Drop Paul Westphal

Adding Brook lopez

Wrench
05-31-2019, 06:49 PM
Sox gets:

Yao Ming
Carmelo Anthony
Earl Monroe
Mark Jackson


LJ4 gets:

Dave DeBusschere
Penny Hardaway
Marcus Camby
Tiny Archibald

Quinnsanity
06-01-2019, 04:35 AM
I have legitimately gotten one firm offer this entire game, ONE, in which I received the best player in the trade. I'm just amazed at this. Like where does this belief come from that you can get first-round talents for third and fourth round picks? It's not contained to just me. I hear about this from all of you. Can't we all just agree that if you want a star, you probably have to give up a star?

Wrench
06-01-2019, 08:58 AM
1st offer from someone is always going to be in thier favor. No smart person is going to offer something they would loose on. Your supposed to send an offer back that shifts it in your favor, then you work it out to where you meet in the middle.

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Soxtober040713
06-01-2019, 09:32 AM
The art of trading by Sensei Wrench!

Wrench
06-01-2019, 11:30 AM
Hahaha I'm just messing with Quinn

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Wrench
06-01-2019, 11:31 AM
Drop: Tom Chambers
Add: Micheal Ray Richardson

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Wrench
06-01-2019, 12:12 PM
UTB sends:
Sam Jones
Bradley Beal

Sox sends:
Arvydas Sabonis
Mark Jackson

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Wrench
06-01-2019, 12:18 PM
Drop: Nate McMillan
Add: DeMarcus Cousins



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Soxtober040713
06-01-2019, 12:49 PM
Drop Bradley Beal
Add Nate McMillan

unleashthebeast
06-01-2019, 01:10 PM
Drop mark Jackson
Add Bradley Beal

Soxtober040713
06-01-2019, 01:52 PM
Drop Nate McMillian

Add Keith Van Horn

Soxtober040713
06-01-2019, 02:08 PM
Drop Larry Nance

Add World B. Free

Wrench
06-01-2019, 02:12 PM
Drop: Ralph Sampson
Add: Larry Nance

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Wrench
06-01-2019, 04:17 PM
UTB sends:

Kyrie Irving

Wrench sends:

Damian Lillard

Wrench
06-01-2019, 04:25 PM
UTB gets:
Mark Price
Alex English

LG gets:
Shane Battier
Dame Lillard

Lakers + Giants
06-01-2019, 04:31 PM
Drop: Danny Ainge
Add: Jamaal Wilkes

Wrench
06-01-2019, 05:42 PM
UTB sends:
Bruce Bowen
Alex English
Mike Conley

AI sends:
Jimmy Butler
Doug Christie
Pete Maravich

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Shammyguy3
06-02-2019, 09:45 AM
G: Magic Johnson - Mookie Blaylock
G: John Havlicek - Michael Finley
F: Glen Rice - Gerald Wallace
F: Bill Laimbeer - Blake Griffin
C: Alonzo Mourning - Vlade Divac


So I'm gonna be out of reach for the next 7 days, so there are only a few more hours to PM/VM me regarding trades so get your offers in STAT

dhopisthename
06-02-2019, 05:14 PM
Drop:Jrue Holiday
Add:Tobias Harris

Wrench
06-02-2019, 05:26 PM
Drop: Michael Ray Richardson
Add: Jrue Holiday

dhopisthename
06-02-2019, 06:43 PM
AI gets:
Julius Erving
Ben Wallace
Pau Gasol

LG gets:
David Robinson
Chris Webber
Bruce Bowen