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kdspurman
04-12-2019, 11:01 AM
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Game 1: Sat, April 13 San Antonio at Denver, 10:30 ET, ESPN

Game 2: Tue, April 16 San Antonio at Denver, 9 ET, NBA TV

Game 3: Thu, April 18 Denver at San Antonio, 9 ET, NBA TV

Game 4: Sat, April 20 Denver at San Antonio, 5:30 ET, TNT

*Game 5: Tue, April 23 San Antonio at Denver, TBD, TBD

*Game 6: Thu, April 25 Denver at San Antonio, TBD, TBD

*Game 7: Sat, April 27 San Antonio at Denver, TBD, TNT



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Projected Starting Lineup

PG: Jamal Murray
SG: Gary Harris
SF: Will Barton
PF: Paul Millsap
C: Nikola Jokic


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Projected Starting Lineup

PG: Derrick White
SG: Bryn Forbes
SF: DeMar DeRozan
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
C: Jakob Poeltl

TrueFan420
04-12-2019, 12:48 PM
I wonder if Pop has any magic in him and can pull an upset. Denver is def the better side but their young and outside of Jokic are good but not special players. Can Pop get his playoff tested side an upset?

dhopisthename
04-12-2019, 12:57 PM
I think this might be a series where both teams win all their home games.

goingfor28
04-12-2019, 01:03 PM
Denver in 7

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Firefistus
04-12-2019, 01:16 PM
I think the experience is going to kill Denver in the last game of this series. It will be a 7 game series, but San Antonio will perform under pressure. It will be a growing year for the first time Nuggets players.

TheDish87
04-12-2019, 02:46 PM
wont be shocked at all if the Spurs take this series.

Tg11
04-12-2019, 02:50 PM
Spurs in 6

cmellofan15
04-12-2019, 04:43 PM
Denver at full strength is too much for the short handed Spurs, the boys take it in 5.

Jamiecballer
04-12-2019, 05:11 PM
Nuggets in 6. Bench play only gets you so far Spurs. Take it from someone who would know.

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kdspurman
04-12-2019, 06:17 PM
Nuggets in 6. Bench play only gets you so far Spurs. Take it from someone who would know.

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Bench play was instrumental to the 2014 title tbh.

Lakers + Giants
04-12-2019, 08:25 PM
Voted spurs in 5. Was a mistake. Nuggets in 5.

kdspurman
04-12-2019, 11:31 PM
Voted spurs in 5. Was a mistake. Nuggets in 5.

Just changed.. here's hoping you're wrong ;)

cmellofan15
04-12-2019, 11:49 PM
Bench play was instrumental to the 2014 title tbh.

That bench could give your current starting 5 a run for their money.

ManningToTyree
04-13-2019, 09:39 AM
Nuggets in 6


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kdspurman
04-13-2019, 10:38 AM
That bench could give your current starting 5 a run for their money.

They'd give a lot of starters a run for their money. I was just pointing that out after Jamie's post

R. Johnson#3
04-13-2019, 02:32 PM
DeMar is capable of having big games in the post season but he's also very capable of having absolute stinkers as well. I think he'll go off at home for games 3 and 4 but the Nuggets will take it in 6.

tp13baby
04-13-2019, 06:23 PM
Nuggets in 6. Bench play only gets you so far Spurs. Take it from someone who would know.

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Not a huge difference in bench from a statistical standpoint. Experience definitely.

The difference maker in the series, If Barton and Harris play like they have been-> Spurs in 6
Experience to me isn't as big of a question mark as many people think. When your best player who has the ball in his hands is the smartest player in the entire NBA you'll be fine.

kdspurman
04-13-2019, 11:22 PM
Happy with this pace so far

More-Than-Most
04-14-2019, 12:46 AM
i would honestly give up 3 firsts for pop

More-Than-Most
04-14-2019, 12:47 AM
pop would run the sixers at this pace and that would work wonders with embiid. Pop would literally destroy with embiid/ben/butler/harris/

More-Than-Most
04-14-2019, 12:48 AM
that was a horrid horrid play by gay... like that was just so stupid

kdspurman
04-14-2019, 12:58 AM
i would honestly give up 3 firsts for pop

He can never retire

kdspurman
04-14-2019, 12:58 AM
White and Murray will be a nightmare for teams next year

CityofTreez
04-14-2019, 12:59 AM
pop would run the sixers at this pace and that would work wonders with embiid. Pop would literally destroy with embiid/ben/butler/harris/

Yeah but pop will never coach the sixers so whatís your point stupid?

More-Than-Most
04-14-2019, 01:00 AM
the 6/7/7 seeds won today xD

More-Than-Most
04-14-2019, 01:00 AM
Yeah but pop will never coach the sixers so whatís your point stupid?

a guy can dream.

Cal827
04-14-2019, 01:02 AM
The last minute of that game is the exact definition of a young team vs a veteran team.

The Spurs main guy weren't shooting the ball well, but they kept their composure in that last minute and hit free throws that they needed to get. Denver with couple terrible turnovers at the end there, and Murray missed an open basket that he'd usually hit, but seems like he was feeling the pressure.

Been a fun start to the playoffs... Road teams win everything but the Warriors :laugh2:

Also, Raptors choke and Demar wins a game 1 playoff game with the Spurs.... If Casey and the Pistons stun the Bucks tomorrow, Ima be rioting over Jurassic Park :laugh2:

CityofTreez
04-14-2019, 01:05 AM
a guy can dream.

A guy can fap....just admit it

kdspurman
04-14-2019, 01:11 AM
pop would run the sixers at this pace and that would work wonders with embiid. Pop would literally destroy with embiid/ben/butler/harris/

Yea. His ability to get the team to control pace and be efficient. Dude is a wizard

Scoots
04-14-2019, 01:14 AM
White and Murray will be a nightmare for teams next year

I wish we could have seen it this year.

kdspurman
04-14-2019, 01:20 AM
I wish we could have seen it this year.

Man so did I. Would've been a much different season

Tg11
04-14-2019, 05:35 AM
Spurs up 1-0

JAZZNC
04-14-2019, 09:52 AM
This is why I wanted to get the Nuggets in the 1st round. Won't surprise me at all if SA wins this series.

tp13baby
04-14-2019, 10:55 AM
This is why I wanted to get the Nuggets in the 1st round. Won't surprise me at all if SA wins this series.

Well yeah i would hate playing the rockets too...

tp13baby
04-14-2019, 11:01 AM
Man so did I. Would've been a much different season

Watching white grow as a player since he was at legend high school, couldnít be happier for him. Most down to earth athlete, amazing person.

Thing about playing against him is he is calm, and never gets frustrated where teams can take him out of his game. He is smart and him and Pop are a perfect match.

Tg11
04-14-2019, 04:33 PM
White could become a future All Star

kdspurman
04-14-2019, 05:42 PM
Watching white grow as a player since he was at legend high school, couldnít be happier for him. Most down to earth athlete, amazing person.

Thing about playing against him is he is calm, and never gets frustrated where teams can take him out of his game. He is smart and him and Pop are a perfect match.

He's so steady and poised, love the way he plays. Should honestly be on the all defensive team.

It helps that the altitude hasn't impacted him too much, he's had some solid games in Denver

ewing
04-14-2019, 05:51 PM
Nuggets in 6


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tp13baby
04-14-2019, 08:40 PM
He's so steady and poised, love the way he plays. Should honestly be on the all defensive team.

It helps that the altitude hasn't impacted him too much, he's had some solid games in Denver

You are really lucky to have him. Poised is a great term. He put up 12 points in 2 minutes against us in high school. And as a former hockey player I knew how to get under players skin. I played very physical, some would say dirty to an extent, and the only player I couldnít effect was White. Off the court you would never know he was a star.

His story is phenomenal and is only a testament he can face any adversity thrown at him and he will succeed. Amazing person, and an amazing b-ball player how he approaches games. Really an amazing individual on and off the court.

Scoots
04-14-2019, 10:17 PM
You are really lucky to have him. Poised is a great term. He put up 12 points in 2 minutes against us in high school. And as a former hockey player I knew how to get under players skin. I played very physical, some would say dirty to an extent, and the only player I couldnít effect was White. Off the court you would never know he was a star.

His story is phenomenal and is only a testament he can face any adversity thrown at him and he will succeed. Amazing person, and an amazing b-ball player how he approaches games. Really an amazing individual on and off the court.

The Spurs consistently get the most out of their players and add players who will develop to their maximum. It's not luck, it's a plan, great people, and patience. I wish other teams could duplicate it, the league would be so much better.

tp13baby
04-14-2019, 10:35 PM
The Spurs consistently get the most out of their players and add players who will develop to their maximum. It's not luck, it's a plan, great people, and patience. I wish other teams could duplicate it, the league would be so much better.

Iím not saying it was luck he developed into what he is. Iím saying itís not every day you draft a guy with the humbleness he carries. He plays beyond his years and no moment is too big for him. Not every day you get a guy that had odds stacked against him, getting 1 garbage d2 scholarship, going on to get his jersey retired at a D2 school, moves on to CU succeeds, and gets to the NBA. Everything thrown his way he has overcome and anything in the future he will too. The Spurs are a top team in evaluators and development. But as a guy who may become the best player on their team, the way he has always carried himself, the Spurs are lucky in that sense because not every teams draft picks has the character he does. Truly unselfish, composed, down to earth guy that represents your organization to an elite standard. Many teams now and in the past wish they can have 15 Whites.

I canít say enough about the guy, I love seeing him succeed and root for him every time the Spurs have a game.

tp13baby
04-15-2019, 02:11 PM
Crazy stat. Denver was 5-17 on wide open shots. This stat is classified as any shot that defenders are 6 ft or further away from the shooter.

Also mad love for Jamal. He shot poorly, had some huge misses late. After the game he went straight to the practice court to get shots up. Every coach and player talk about there is no player harder on himself than him. Interesting how he comes out game 2.

Lil Rhody
04-15-2019, 03:18 PM
Took Denver -7 and over 208.5

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kdspurman
04-16-2019, 01:57 PM
I think this might be a series where both teams win all their home games.

Playoffs come and that stuff goes out the window lol. Certainly wasn't a bad assumption based off how the reg season went. Hopefully our guys can take care of business at home. (or if they really want to make a splash, go out and win tonight too)

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 01:58 PM
Crazy stat. Denver was 5-17 on wide open shots. This stat is classified as any shot that defenders are 6 ft or further away from the shooter.

Also mad love for Jamal. He shot poorly, had some huge misses late. After the game he went straight to the practice court to get shots up. Every coach and player talk about there is no player harder on himself than him. Interesting how he comes out game 2.

Curious to see how both coaches adjust going into tonight. Aldridge/Jokic were both quiet, because both teams are focusing on them with the doubling.

tp13baby
04-16-2019, 08:27 PM
Curious to see how both coaches adjust going into tonight. Aldridge/Jokic were both quiet, because both teams are focusing on them with the doubling.

I think Denver will play fast. Iím sure Pop is gaming for it too. Denver also had 41 possessions with one pass or less. I would love to see a stat to see if we have had a game with 41 or more possessions with limited ball movement. I think doubling will still be an emphasis. SAS Iím really not sure.

tredigs
04-16-2019, 10:23 PM
Nuggets back court is just being eviscerated. Getting negative contribution from Murray was not the road map for success if you're Denver. Feels bad when you're a top seed and every team is praying they get you, then that comes to fruition. Spurs looking great so far.

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 10:37 PM
Nuggets back court is just being eviscerated. Getting negative contribution from Murray was not the road map for success if you're Denver. Feels bad when you're a top seed and every team is praying they get you, then that comes to fruition. Spurs looking great so far.

Still a lot of time but definitely glad they're playing so focused. Showing they weren't satisfied with stealing 1

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 10:38 PM
Pop is so good at momentum killing timeouts

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 10:43 PM
Fans booing loudly. I know they're struggling but sheesh

tredigs
04-16-2019, 10:44 PM
I mean Will Barton is just flat out bad. Doesn't belong on the court.

tredigs
04-16-2019, 10:50 PM
Harris and Jokic keeping it interesting to end the 3rd.

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 10:55 PM
Hopefully they've expended a lot of energy to get back into it. Gotta start the 4th strong

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 11:13 PM
Miss an obvious foul for Forbes on that 3, then call that?? Ridiculous lol

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 11:15 PM
That's crazy :laugh2:

Pop was calling a timeout

Vee-Rex
04-16-2019, 11:15 PM
Miss an obvious foul for Forbes on that 3, then call that?? Ridiculous lol

Yep, bad call IMO.

Vee-Rex
04-16-2019, 11:15 PM
Murray is on fire

tredigs
04-16-2019, 11:16 PM
This is an exciting finish, Murray is finally awake, but yeah the Spurs have been getting dicked a bit in the past 3-4 minutes.

Vee-Rex
04-16-2019, 11:21 PM
Don't do 'em like that Jamal!

Vee-Rex
04-16-2019, 11:22 PM
lmao Jamal Murray ended it. 1-1, going to Texas

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 11:23 PM
Well, if we lose this series, it's cause of this game. Blew a golden opportunity.

I'm confident in their ability at home tho, the role players will shoot much better in their building. Gotta have em both

Vee-Rex
04-16-2019, 11:23 PM
I bet tp13baby is screaming right now

tredigs
04-16-2019, 11:24 PM
MUCH respect to Murray right now! What else can you say? 7 straight terrible quarters (shot like 10%... maybe?) and didn't relent. What a beast.

tredigs
04-16-2019, 11:28 PM
Down 19 with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. It's comeback week.

kdspurman
04-16-2019, 11:29 PM
Hopefully Murray got all his buckets out of the way

tp13baby
04-16-2019, 11:29 PM
I bet tp13baby is screaming right now

Couldnít be more proud of Jamal. A lot of players would of shut down, stopped shooting.

Mentally tough as a whole.

Not to be that guy, but Aldridge hitting Harris below the waist. I mean could of been an accident, but I donít know.

YAALREADYKNO
04-16-2019, 11:44 PM
What a blown opportunity by the Spurs to go up 2-0 smh

kdspurman
04-18-2019, 09:27 PM
Derrick White is so good

WaDe03
04-18-2019, 10:48 PM
Looking forward to seeing who Logo Lillard is going to take down next round.

kdspurman
04-18-2019, 11:12 PM
Looking forward to seeing who Logo Lillard is going to take down next round.

Idk. But I know once Murray is back next year, he and White gonna be a nightmare for opposing backcourts.

zn23
04-18-2019, 11:20 PM
I don't care what anyone says, Jamal Murray is not a good player. Neither is Will Barton who has completely choked in the playoffs.

Murray getting outplayed by Derrick White is just embarrassing. Yes, White is a good player, but you cannot get torched for 34 and then only respond with a pathetic 6 points on 2-6 shooting.

The big difference in this series is that the Spurs best players are stepping up and playing well, and the Nuggets best players aren't.

Jokic has been consistently good. Millsap has been solid. But Murray has given them 1 good game and 2 bad ones. Barton 0/3. Gary gives them a couple spurts here and there.

If Jamal Murray can't take that next step, this team will keep getting bounced in the first round. Sad to think that they gave up Donovan Mitchell because they believed in Jamal Murray. If that doesn't pan out and Murray doesn't play well, that's going to go down as a massive blunder.

Bostonjorge
04-18-2019, 11:25 PM
Spurs always find a way

tp13baby
04-18-2019, 11:28 PM
I don't care what anyone says, Jamal Murray is not a good player. Neither is Will Barton who has completely choked in the playoffs.

Murray getting outplayed by Derrick White is just embarrassing. Yes, White is a good player, but you cannot get torched for 34 and then only respond with a pathetic 6 points on 2-6 shooting.

The big difference in this series is that the Spurs best players are stepping up and playing well, and the Nuggets best players aren't.

Jokic has been consistently good. Millsap has been solid. But Murray has given them 1 good game and 2 bad ones. Barton 0/3. Gary gives them a couple spurts here and there.

If Jamal Murray can't take that next step, this team will keep getting bounced in the first round. Sad to think that they gave up Donovan Mitchell because they believed in Jamal Murray. If that doesn't pan out and Murray doesn't play well, that's going to go down as a massive blunder.

Denver was never going to pick Mitchell. Jazz fans and Nuggets fans donít understand trading at the draft. It was the Jazz picking there. Jamal isnít good? Haha okay.

White is elite defensively. The kid isnít a slouch offensively.

The guards have been getting out played, I explained that was the difference in why I have the Spurs winning.

Driven
04-18-2019, 11:30 PM
Is Mitchell even that much better than Murray?


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WaDe03
04-18-2019, 11:33 PM
Spurs should be up 3-0 tbh but it is what it is. Derozan far better than Lowry.

zn23
04-18-2019, 11:39 PM
Is Mitchell even that much better than Murray?


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Mitchell is more consistent.

Murray can get hot and give you a 25 point game, but then come back the next night and give you 6 points.

The lack of consistently is very frustrating to watch.

This is his 3rd year, it's time to take the next step.

kdspurman
04-18-2019, 11:40 PM
Spurs should be up 3-0 tbh but it is what it is. Derozan far better than Lowry.

Yup, must win game 4 now.

And yea I was told Lowry was the better player/playoff performer.

WaDe03
04-18-2019, 11:41 PM
Yup, must win game 4 now.

And yea I was told Lowry was the better player/playoff performer.

Raptors fans say some crazy things brother.

kdspurman
04-18-2019, 11:56 PM
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Plus Lonnie Walker in his 2nd year like White is. Future is bright

smith&wesson
04-19-2019, 10:32 AM
Raptors fans say some crazy things brother.

A lot of us would take DeMar, donít know what youíre talking about. Youíre in several threads running your mouth why donít you pick the raptor poster youíre referring to and address your displeasure with him instead of hating on an entire fan base and looking like a complete hater at the same time ..

WaDe03
04-19-2019, 11:08 AM
A lot of us would take DeMar, donít know what youíre talking about. Youíre in several threads running your mouth why donít you pick the raptor poster youíre referring to and address your displeasure with him instead of hating on an entire fan base and looking like a complete hater at the same time ..

**** no

kdspurman
04-19-2019, 11:29 AM
A lot of us would take DeMar, donít know what youíre talking about. Youíre in several threads running your mouth why donít you pick the raptor poster youíre referring to and address your displeasure with him instead of hating on an entire fan base and looking like a complete hater at the same time ..

I've only seen a couple tbh, most realize DeMar > Lowry.

zn23
04-19-2019, 12:34 PM
I've only seen a couple tbh, most realize DeMar > Lowry.

In a vacuum DeMar is better. But If I'm building a team I'm taking Lowry. Because Lowry can be a solid no.2 or no.3. With DeMar, he has to be a no.1 to be effective and you can't win with him as the no.1.

valade16
04-19-2019, 12:40 PM
In a vacuum DeMar is better. But If I'm building a team I'm taking Lowry. Because Lowry can be a solid no.2 or no.3. With DeMar, he has to be a no.1 to be effective and you can't win with him as the no.1.

You mean win a title correct? Because I think DeMar has very clearly proved you can win with him as a #1. They are in the playoffs and currently leading the #2 seed in their series.

R. Johnson#3
04-19-2019, 01:11 PM
A lot of us would take DeMar, donít know what youíre talking about. Youíre in several threads running your mouth why donít you pick the raptor poster youíre referring to and address your displeasure with him instead of hating on an entire fan base and looking like a complete hater at the same time ..

Because I live inside his head.

DeMar shook a lot of his post season struggles but was still more susceptible to having bad games than Lowry was. Lowry had been much more consistent than DeMar over the last couple post seasons. That hasn't been the case thus far. DeMar had a poor shooting game 1 so he did something he never really did before and he crashed the boards. That's a pretty significant change to see in a guy who was known for hanging his head when things got tough in the playoffs. I know there's no way of proving this but I think the trade actually made him a better player.

WaDe03
04-19-2019, 01:17 PM
Because I live inside his head.

DeMar shook a lot of his post season struggles but was still more susceptible to having bad games than Lowry was. Lowry had been much more consistent than DeMar over the last couple post seasons. That hasn't been the case thus far. DeMar had a poor shooting game 1 so he did something he never really did before and he crashed the boards. That's a pretty significant change to see in a guy who was known for hanging his head when things got tough in the playoffs. I know there's no way of proving this but I think the trade actually made him a better player.

Youíre funny.

tp13baby
04-19-2019, 02:44 PM
You mean win a title correct? Because I think DeMar has very clearly proved you can win with him as a #1. They are in the playoffs and currently leading the #2 seed in their series.

I donít think the Spurs are winning this series if White isnít playing the way he has. He has effectively locked down the number 2 option on our team all while being the second leading scorer.

Spurs have outplayed the Nuggets. No doubt. Denver is barely down last game headed into the fourth. Murray missed a go ahead wide open look in game one. Demar has been damn solid though but Aldridge and the depth of the Spurs puts a ton less pressure on Demar. But Iíll take Demar over Lowry no doubt.

tp13baby
04-19-2019, 02:45 PM
Mitchell is more consistent.

Murray can get hot and give you a 25 point game, but then come back the next night and give you 6 points.

The lack of consistently is very frustrating to watch.

This is his 3rd year, it's time to take the next step.

Mitchell is more consistent and a better defender. Murray is horrendous.

Jamiecballer
04-19-2019, 02:49 PM
Raptors fans say some crazy things brother.If only someone was actually recording what happens during these games and compiling them somewhere

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Jamiecballer
04-19-2019, 03:04 PM
When DeMar has been on the court so far in the playoffs, they are -2.6. I am talking on/off here.

When he is off, they are +14.5. That is a staggering -17.1 in this series. Better than last years -18.1 I suppose.

Of course I bring this up because it mirrors the regular season. ALL his regular seasons.

The guy just completed his 7th consecutive season in which his team was more successful when he was not playing, which may in fact be an NBA record for a "star" as I've been unable to find anyone with such terrible "luck".

The Raptors offense meanwhile functions statistically like the best team in the NBA when Lowry is on the court, and one of the worst when he is off. Also a regular yearly occurrence. He is truly one of the last floor generals. It might be a testament to how the mindset of young pg's have changed that some of you dont recognize it.

If you think DeMar is a better player you are an idiot.

I refer back to my first post in this thread when I said "sorry spurs, the bench can only take you so far". I stand corrected, they are continuing to completely carry this team.

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Jamiecballer
04-19-2019, 03:16 PM
You mean win a title correct? Because I think DeMar has very clearly proved you can win with him as a #1. They are in the playoffs and currently leading the #2 seed in their series.They tread water with him on the floor. Obviously if you build a strong enough bench you can win a title but seriously, that wont work when they face a legit contender.

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WaDe03
04-19-2019, 04:14 PM
Sort the players in the league by net rating and thereís your list for best in the league. Thanks for the expert analysis Jamie

Jamiecballer
04-20-2019, 09:01 AM
Sort the players in the league by net rating and thereís your list for best in the league. Thanks for the expert analysis JamieNever suggested any such thing. Killer deflection though.

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zn23
04-20-2019, 03:17 PM
Nuggets season is on the line here. Murray, Barton and Harris all need to step up.

kdspurman
04-20-2019, 05:55 PM
Yea, just looking at +/- stuff is silly. So much more to the game.

DeRozan with another strong start to tonight's game.

kdspurman
04-20-2019, 06:06 PM
2nd Chance points killing us, but good start overall

tp13baby
04-20-2019, 06:35 PM
Denver should be thrilled we are getting blown out and may be in the lead at half time. We are getting outplayed.

tp13baby
04-20-2019, 06:37 PM
I said the difference in this series will be Barton and Harris. Tonight 3-15. That canít happen.

zn23
04-20-2019, 06:51 PM
Well the one thing that's for sure is that Jokic came to play and has been good in all the games in this series. Currently he has 16 points, 10 boards and 5 assists With 16 shots as well. He's playing aggressive.

But no one else has really stepped up and helped him. Murray is playing better, but Gary Harris is now 1-7 and Millsap is 0-5, and Barton is 2-8.

That just can't happen.

aman_13
04-20-2019, 07:52 PM
My guy Debo not feeling these refs. All he wanted to do was give the ball back to the refs :)



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zn23
04-20-2019, 08:06 PM
Great win for the Nuggets.

This is the way Jamal Murray has to play going forward if the Nuggets are going to have a chance. Because Jokic had another great game. If Jamal Murray can match Jokic's production, they'll win.

Torrey Craig also stepped up big time. I love that Malone benched Will Barton and started Torrey Craig.

kdspurman
04-20-2019, 08:48 PM
Sums up the night.

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Jamiecballer
04-20-2019, 09:38 PM
Yea, just looking at +/- stuff is silly. So much more to the game.

DeRozan with another strong start to tonight's game.Sure there is. But what an individual is capable of doing, and how they look doing it shouldn't stop us from looking at data and asking why, why does the team not do well when they are on the court.

It doesn't matter how you look doing it, if the results are always underwhelming when you are the court then you are not a star, not even close. I'm a curious person, I always want to understand why. Plus minus is not a perfect stat, but it is a reflection of what actually results from your time on the court. If this guy is really good, why do we have 10 years of results that would suggest his impact is marginal? And why is it impossible to find other guys who are in his category that have produced similar results?

We have literally 10 years now where opposing teams should be saying 'oh no, he is going to the bench, shoot'. that is extremely abnormal.

To me the proof is in the pudding. Michael Jordan was the archetype. 89% of Michael was Kobe, but even with him we had plenty of debate about whether it was ultimately beneficial to empower someone to be the man, to wear the Jordan mantle for their franchise, if they were not able to mimic Jordan's quality. And Kobe didnt even fall that short.

So what are DeRozan, Carmelo, and others that grade out surprisingly low plus minus over their careers? 70% of Kobe/Wade? What reason did we have to believe that high volume, mediocre efficiency guys were good to build around anyways. Who decided it would be better to have those guys with their major shortcomings over a well rounded player anyways, and why?

Has anybody noticed by the way, that the 3 guys who I have brought up, whose plus minus would indicate their impact was surprisingly minimal - have all moved teams and rather than be set back significantly they have thrived? Everywhere Melo left, the team failed to be hurt much, if at all.

Aldridge was perceived as a co-star with Lillard but the Blazers have fared awfully well after losing him. Turns out Lillard was the driving force. The Raptors did not skip a beat despite only getting Kawhi for 60 games and dealing with significantly more injury problems this year than last.

It's almost as if their collective 30 years of on-off numbers should have prepared us for that, no?

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R. Johnson#3
04-21-2019, 01:50 AM
DeRozan has now been ejected from a playoff game at least once in the last 3 years.

zn23
04-23-2019, 08:26 PM
Huge game for both teams. Both teams seem to go as their PGs go.

Jamal Murray needs another game like he had on Saturday. If not, the Nuggets can't win.

zn23
04-23-2019, 10:27 PM
This is the way Jamal Murray has to play every single night for the Nuggets to have any shot at winning.

tp13baby
04-23-2019, 11:13 PM
This is the way Jamal Murray has to play every single night for the Nuggets to have any shot at winning.

Well if Gary offensively gets going you really need one of them.

Denverís defense is unreal. SAS hit 50 with 4 minutes left in the third.

zn23
04-23-2019, 11:26 PM
Well if Gary offensively gets going you really need one of them.

Denverís defense is unreal. SAS hit 50 with 4 minutes left in the third.

These are the real Nuggets. That really haven't shown up for several weeks.

zn23
04-23-2019, 11:35 PM
Derrick White has been completely shut down.

Rivera
04-24-2019, 09:53 AM
this was the only series i was fearful of going 7. im still scared its going to go 7. I want to get out of the 1st round and get to these juicy 2nd round matchups ASAP!

KDSpur I love you, but I need the Nuggs to close this out in 6, i need the 2nd round!

Jamiecballer
04-24-2019, 10:04 AM
DeMar with an on/off this series of -24.8.

What an impact player. The game literally turns on his entering and exiting!

kdspurman
04-24-2019, 12:31 PM
this was the only series i was fearful of going 7. im still scared its going to go 7. I want to get out of the 1st round and get to these juicy 2nd round matchups ASAP!

KDSpur I love you, but I need the Nuggs to close this out in 6, i need the 2nd round!

It may very well end tomorrow haha. Missed a golden opportunity in Game 2

kdspurman
04-24-2019, 12:44 PM
DeMar with an on/off this series of -24.8.

What an impact player. The game literally turns on his entering and exiting!

For the series, he's 3rd on the team in BPM (only behind White/Poeltl & up from the reg season) Up in Points and Rebounds from the reg season as well. Assists are lower, but the team isn't doing him any favors not hitting 3's anymore. First in PER and second in Win Shares.

No one has played well consistently this series.

Davis Bertans was a team leading +14 last night, but you won't find many people saying he was the most impactful player last night.

zn23
04-25-2019, 02:56 PM
Huge game tonight. I have a feeling if Nuggets lose, the momentum shifts towards the Spurs in game 7 even though it's at Denver. Jamal Murray needs to play like he's played the last couple games.

ewing
04-25-2019, 08:41 PM
Anyone watching?


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kdspurman
04-25-2019, 08:54 PM
This is the worst officiated game of the series. Holy **** they're bad

tredigs
04-25-2019, 09:16 PM
They're saying Derozan got tangled up after rebounding his own Free Throw and then got the shot up in 8 tenths of a second? Seems ridiculous. Could loom as a big call in a game I actually think Denver should win.

tredigs
04-25-2019, 09:20 PM
4 combined turnovers in the half, that's pretty nuts. Refs are definitely far too involved though. Tough to turn it over when everyone's stuck at the line.

The crazy shooting from the Spurs likely won't last though. Hitting every jumper. That's partly why I think the Nuggets take this.

kdspurman
04-25-2019, 09:34 PM
They're saying Derozan got tangled up after rebounding his own Free Throw and then got the shot up in 8 tenths of a second? Seems ridiculous. Could loom as a big call in a game I actually think Denver should win.

They screwed up not giving him the 3 point play before that (among of flurry of bad calls/no calls in that stretch) poetic Justice he got the 3 point play

tredigs
04-25-2019, 09:44 PM
They screwed up not giving him the 3 point play before that (among of flurry of bad calls/no calls in that stretch) poetic Justice he got the 3 point play

I thought the waived off 3 pt play made sense. Not sure on the flurry before because I missed the previous 5 minutes.

Derrick White might be the easiest player to root for in the playoffs right now. Baller. And a gamer. The G league is rooting for him.

kdspurman
04-25-2019, 09:49 PM
I thought the waived off 3 pt play made sense. Not sure on the flurry before because I missed the previous 5 minutes.

Derrick White might be the easiest player to root for in the playoffs right now. Baller. And a gamer. The G league is rooting for him.

It was so odd they waved it off lol

And yea, White has been a great story. Excited to watch his development

tredigs
04-25-2019, 09:56 PM
Really good game. Spurs not giving an inch.

tredigs
04-25-2019, 10:00 PM
Barton w/ out Jokic on the court is the Nuggets death linuep, in all the wrong ways.

kdspurman
04-25-2019, 10:00 PM
Key minutes here, our bench has been outplayed all series. That little run was long overdue for them

bucketss
04-25-2019, 10:07 PM
damn jokic on the bench there changed the game

tredigs
04-25-2019, 10:08 PM
Wow Nuggets with 0 points in 5 minutes and obviously that's the game. On to game 7 it is.

kdspurman
04-25-2019, 10:18 PM
There's that negative impact player DeMar

kdspurman
04-25-2019, 10:28 PM
Let Jokic get his and contain the shooters.. that seemed like it happened a lot tonight

ewing
04-25-2019, 10:30 PM
There's that negative impact player DeMar

It was ďdo or die tonight, literallyĒ


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kdspurman
04-25-2019, 10:38 PM
It was ďdo or die tonight, literallyĒ


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Give him a break , he's from Compton :laugh2:

tp13baby
04-25-2019, 10:50 PM
Malone left Plumlee and Barton in too long. Canít have Harris Murray and Jokic on the bench at the same time. Spurs made their run in that time.

kdspurman
04-25-2019, 11:03 PM
I didn't realize Poeltl would be this good so soon. So much potential for him

zn23
04-25-2019, 11:14 PM
Will Barton turned back into Will Barton(Not good), and Jamal Murray had a disastrous shooting night. On top of that Rudy Gay had the game of his life off the bench and that was kinda the difference.

Jokic can eat whenever he wants. But Murray has to step up and play better.

Wasting a 43 point game from Jokic is very disheartening.

We'll see if the Nuggets are made of anything in game 7.

kdspurman
04-25-2019, 11:17 PM
Will Barton turned back into Will Barton(Not good), and Jamal Murray had a disastrous shooting night. On top of that Rudy Gay had the game of his life off the bench and that was kinda the difference.

Jokic can eat whenever he wants. But Murray has to step up and play better.

We'll see if the Nuggets are made of anything in game 7.

Gay has been playing like this all year, he just woke up finally. Him playing so poorly definitely hurt them this series, the bench is better when he's playing well .

Agreed on Murray, he's bounced back after each game. We'll see how he does in Game 7

Jamiecballer
04-26-2019, 03:00 AM
props, last night DeMar played a really good game.

Jamiecballer
04-26-2019, 03:02 AM
I didn't realize Poeltl would be this good so soon. So much potential for him

there were a good number of us that were disappointed we had to give him up in that trade.

Jamiecballer
04-26-2019, 03:03 AM
It was ďdo or die tonight, literallyĒ


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he makes those kind of comments, not the sharpest knife in the drawer. but a good kid nonetheless.

Jamiecballer
04-26-2019, 03:04 AM
There's that negative impact player DeMar

"marginal". not negative. last night, he played a very nice game. a legit all-star caliber performance.

More-Than-Most
04-26-2019, 05:46 AM
I want the spurs to win because of KD but at the same time... I am not sure they can deal with the warriors... I know the warriors spanked the nuggets quite a bit but i still feel like they have the best shot against the warriors so id rather they win.

kdspurman
04-26-2019, 08:47 AM
I want the spurs to win because of KD but at the same time... I am not sure they can deal with the warriors... I know the warriors spanked the nuggets quite a bit but i still feel like they have the best shot against the warriors so id rather they win.

Appreciate that haha. But winner of this plays Portland anyway, and Dame is playing out of his mind right now. Tough matchup for either team.

warfelg
04-26-2019, 08:50 AM
Lets Go Spurs. Felt like Denver has been very overrated all season anyways.

buckalis
04-26-2019, 09:08 AM
Despite who wins and promotes to the next round, coach Pops proves that he is the best coach in the league...

zn23
04-26-2019, 09:25 AM
Despite who wins and promotes to the next round, coach Pops proves that he is the best coach in the league...

He's proven that the last several years, whether he advances or not.

buckalis
04-26-2019, 09:51 AM
He's proven that the last several years, whether he advances or not.

Yes... his ability to implement on the American player "European tactics" which he learned out of the best coaches in the world (his friends Ivcovic and Obradovic) when he served for the American diplomacy in Eastern Europe and visited Serbia (his parents origin), has proven to have altered to the better the whole league...

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE4Ld2k-L5Q

WaDe03
04-26-2019, 10:18 AM
There's that negative impact player DeMar

If you take Derozan off the Spurs you all arenít even sniffing the playoffs this year. JamieC is a damn idiot.

R. Johnson#3
04-26-2019, 11:14 AM
I didn't realize Poeltl would be this good so soon. So much potential for him

He's pretty fundamentally sound, is a freight train in the PnR and has ridiculously soft hands around the rim. Out of all the kids on the Raptors he didn't have the most potential but was easily the highest floor. I think if he continues to get minutes he could be a good player in the league.

tp13baby
04-26-2019, 11:34 AM
He's pretty fundamentally sound, is a freight train in the PnR and has ridiculously soft hands around the rim. Out of all the kids on the Raptors he didn't have the most potential but was easily the highest floor. I think if he continues to get minutes he could be a good player in the league.

Helps when he sets illegal screens and they donít get called in PnR.

valade16
04-26-2019, 11:56 AM
props, last night DeMar played a really good game.

Couldn't have been that good, he was only +5.

warfelg
04-26-2019, 11:58 AM
Helps when he sets illegal screens and they donít get called in PnR.

So does 80% of the league.

Jamiecballer
04-26-2019, 03:20 PM
If you take Derozan off the Spurs you all arenít even sniffing the playoffs this year. JamieC is a damn idiot.Did last years spurs win many games?

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Jamiecballer
04-26-2019, 03:21 PM
Couldn't have been that good, he was only +5.A single game isnt conclusive of anything, I have been fairly clear on this point. Although in truth I only saw that he was very efficient from the field and filled up the boxscore.

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tp13baby
04-26-2019, 03:31 PM
So does 80% of the league.

Malone has sent clips of his screens into the league and they agreed they are missed calls.

He isnít dirty but when Malone is the refs about his screens and the league office agrees. He sets, the guards donít roll of it tight and then flares that knee. Caused 2 injuries.

Then when they go off it tight Mills flops.

Not saying the refs are one sided, just pointing out they are missed calls that the league acknowledges.

R. Johnson#3
04-26-2019, 04:34 PM
Helps when he sets illegal screens and they donít get called in PnR.

The screen on Murray was definitely late but late/moving screens are let go all the time.

tp13baby
04-26-2019, 04:59 PM
The screen on Murray was definitely late but late/moving screens are let go all the time.

I know most go uncalled. Itís unfortunate he is getting his knee up and hurting the players. Not that it has any effect on the game. Itís just unfortunate. Not complaining as I get they are missed calls all the time from both teams

tp13baby
04-27-2019, 03:24 PM
Fun fact about the refs tonight.

A poll of 53 NBA players voted on the worst ref.

1. Tony brothers
2. Scott foster
3. Marc Davis

In a pivotal game 7, Brothers and Davis are reffing. Another one that got votes was Goble and he is reffing too.

Unfortunate.

Chronz
04-27-2019, 04:13 PM
Couldn't have been that good, he was only +5.

For his standards?

buckalis
04-27-2019, 04:22 PM
The question here should rather be "Do the Spurs have a better team?" or is it that that "the Spurs have far better coaching?"... IMO, if the coaches were vise versa (meaning the Nuggets having Pop's coaching team) the result would have been 4-0 for the Nuggets...

tp13baby
04-27-2019, 05:29 PM
The question here should rather be "Do the Spurs have a better team?" or is it that that "the Spurs have far better coaching?"... IMO, if the coaches were vise versa (meaning the Nuggets having Pop's coaching team) the result would have been 4-0 for the Nuggets...

Coaching is the Spurs.

Denver has the better team. Now that goes with saying if players play to their standards. Pops game plans, controlling the game and his players have more poise though which absolutely has been a difference maker in this series.

More-Than-Most
04-27-2019, 08:46 PM
Appreciate that haha. But winner of this plays Portland anyway, and Dame is playing out of his mind right now. Tough matchup for either team.

i just mean in general... not next series... i feel like the spurs or nuggets can beat portland... i just dont want the spurs being the only thing stopping the warriors from the nba finals.


KL has ****ed me hardcore... KL on spurs means sixers beat raptors and spurs would have took apart the west

goingfor28
04-27-2019, 09:59 PM
Spurs by 20 tonight

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zn23
04-27-2019, 10:02 PM
Time to see if the Nuggets have any heart.

ewing
04-27-2019, 10:13 PM
Game 7s are like 98% mental


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ewing
04-27-2019, 10:15 PM
Maybe 2% heart but the rest is mental


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kdspurman
04-27-2019, 10:31 PM
Feel much safer playing from behind then ahead honestly lol. Terrible start, but plenty of time to right the ship. Gay keeping us alive.

kdspurman
04-27-2019, 10:33 PM
i just mean in general... not next series... i feel like the spurs or nuggets can beat portland... i just dont want the spurs being the only thing stopping the warriors from the nba finals.


KL has ****ed me hardcore... KL on spurs means sixers beat raptors and spurs would have took apart the west

Tell me about it....

And yea, we'll see what happens next round. Blazers are tough when Lillard performs like he did

R. Johnson#3
04-27-2019, 10:37 PM
I really hope DeMar can straighten himself out in the 2nd.

Lil Rhody
04-27-2019, 11:04 PM
Such a low scoring game. Spurs got a chance I guess

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More-Than-Most
04-28-2019, 12:35 AM
down 4 with 30 seconds left and they just let the nuggets run it to 4 seconds or so,,,, wtf

More-Than-Most
04-28-2019, 12:35 AM
that was so ****ing stupid

YAALREADYKNO
04-28-2019, 12:36 AM
Typical playoff game for Derozan and Aldridge Smh

ChI_ShIzzLe
04-28-2019, 12:36 AM
Lmao glad Iím not the only one who is puzzled by that last possession.

pulzar
04-28-2019, 12:43 AM
Why didn't they foul? Pop was yelling and waiving about something, but even he stopped after a while... I don't get it, why give up like that?

ChI_ShIzzLe
04-28-2019, 12:46 AM
Why didn't they foul? Pop was yelling and waiving about something, but even he stopped after a while... I don't get it, why give up like that?

Guess they had resort reservations for tomorrow [emoji23]

zn23
04-28-2019, 01:00 AM
Big win for the Nuggets. Sloppy game though. But they won it dirty and that's all that matters.

Jamal Murray stepped up and played huge. Rudy Gay again outplayed the Nuggets bench.

messi0826
04-28-2019, 05:54 AM
Spurs, veterans' mourning!

kdspurman
04-28-2019, 09:49 AM
Not many uglier games than that, that slow start was tough to overcome. Will say it again, losing game 2 lost the series.

Congrats to Denver tho, glad it got a little suspenseful there at the end.

Our guys will be back next year. That White/Walker/Murray back court will be fun

tp13baby
04-28-2019, 11:06 AM
Not many uglier games than that, that slow start was tough to overcome. Will say it again, losing game 2 lost the series.

Congrats to Denver tho, glad it got a little suspenseful there at the end.

Our guys will be back next year. That White/Walker/Murray back court will be fun

Bright future in SA. That organization I have so much respect for, the fans, the players.

Heediot
04-28-2019, 08:19 PM
Just glad my boy Jokic is getting his due. I was one of his his biggest pushers and supporters from the start. Even touted him top 10 before last season (17-18), maybe a little premature then, but I knew if would come to fruition sooner or later.

Also loving the fellow Canadian Murray rising up this series.

Scoots
04-28-2019, 10:27 PM
Not many uglier games than that, that slow start was tough to overcome. Will say it again, losing game 2 lost the series.

Congrats to Denver tho, glad it got a little suspenseful there at the end.

Our guys will be back next year. That White/Walker/Murray back court will be fun

And this draft is deep in SFs

kdspurman
04-29-2019, 08:38 AM
And this draft is deep in SFs

Yup, and that's exactly what we're lacking. 2 first round picks, I'm anxious to see what they can do