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WaDe03
01-31-2019, 03:32 PM
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Iím here for any and all player movement, especially the big names.

What do you think his trade value is and who should go after him if heís available?

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 03:44 PM
why on earth would the Knicks even entertain moving him? They can keep him for what, 3 more years, and there is literally nothing he can do about it, short of sitting out all together.

tredigs
01-31-2019, 03:45 PM
Not sure how he could possibly have any value. He's out for the year and/or severely limited and is an unrestricted free agent in 4 months. Unless I am missing something he has no value.

tredigs
01-31-2019, 03:46 PM
why on earth would the Knicks even entertain moving him? They can keep him for what, 3 more years, and there is literally nothing he can do about it, short of sitting out all together.

Is the bbref contract page wrong? They have him as an unrestricted and that the Knicks have simply picked up his team option the past 2 years.

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 03:48 PM
why on earth would the Knicks even entertain moving him? They can keep him for what, 3 more years, and there is literally nothing he can do about it, short of sitting out all together.

Heís a restricted FA, unless he gambles on himself (EXTREMELY RISKY) heís stuck here. My personally I would trade him, dude is a diva and I donít think his body will allow him to become that franchise player. Heís in his feelings because Knicks fans would rather have AD, I mean why have the meeting now? We were losing since the season started lol

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 03:49 PM
Is the bbref contract page wrong? They have him as an unrestricted and that the Knicks have simply picked up his team option the past 2 years.

that has to be wrong. No way the Knicks didn't pick up his options and still have the right to match any RFA offer.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 03:50 PM
Heís a restricted FA, unless he gambles on himself (EXTREMELY RISKY) heís stuck here. My personally I would trade him, dude is a diva and I donít think his body will allow him to become that franchise player. Heís in his feelings because Knicks fans would rather have AD, I mean why have the meeting now? We were losing since the season started lol

agreed, but what I mean is, what motivation do the Knicks possibly have to trade him right now? See who you land in the draft, match his RFA number, and see what happens. You guys have monopoly money anyways.

tredigs
01-31-2019, 03:50 PM
Yeah OK hoopshype does show that he's restricted. Makes more sense.

IndyRealist
01-31-2019, 03:50 PM
Is the bbref contract page wrong? They have him as an unrestricted and that the Knicks have simply picked up his team option the past 2 years.

Rookie contracts for 1st round picks are 2 years + 2 team options, then restricted free agency. No other contract format has 2 option years I think.

warfelg
01-31-2019, 04:11 PM
Remember when he said he didn't want Philly because of a losing culture? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 04:17 PM
Remember when he said he didn't want Philly because of a losing culture? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

:laugh:

Leftcoast_yg
01-31-2019, 04:20 PM
why on earth would the Knicks even entertain moving him? They can keep him for what, 3 more years, and there is literally nothing he can do about it, short of sitting out all together.

Donít you wish KAT was as demanding of winning lmao

kdspurman
01-31-2019, 04:20 PM
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Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 04:22 PM
Donít you wish KAT was as demanding of winning lmao

I would rather players not go public, but in today's social media, it's tough. Besides, KAT isn't a fully matured stud yet who gave his team 7 years to get it right. And frankly, I expect KAT to force out a few years from now. But, maybe I am wrong..

Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:26 PM
Porzingis suitors:

1- Clippers
2- Nets
3- Spurs
4- Heat
5- Raptors
6- Celtics

Mr.B
01-31-2019, 04:27 PM
Dallas needs to be all over this. I donít think there is any coincidence that he got to see his friend Luka win last night and talk to his childhood idol Dirk. If the Knicks still have interest in DSJ (who had a triple/double last night) I could see the Mavs putting something together starting with him. Do the Knicks have any huge contracts they want to dump? The Mavs will have to cap space to take on any bad contract the Knick want to rid themselves of. Also they would have control of DSJ for 3 more seasons on his rookie deal.

PAOboston
01-31-2019, 04:28 PM
Whatís his theoretical value at this point? It canít be that much considering heís coming off ACL injury and hasnít played yet this year. Heís an RFA too.


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dhopisthename
01-31-2019, 04:28 PM
man I bet 29 teams call about Porzingis.

Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:31 PM
Porzingis would be a great fit for my Celtics especially if we miss out on AD

dhopisthename
01-31-2019, 04:33 PM
Whatís his theoretical value at this point? It canít be that much considering heís coming off ACL injury and hasnít played yet this year. Heís an RFA too.


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I bet its still pretty high.

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 04:34 PM
Porzingis would be a great fit for my Celtics especially if we miss out on AD

Tatum
Smart
1st

And you can have him

CELTICS4LYFE
01-31-2019, 04:35 PM
Whatís his theoretical value at this point? It canít be that much considering heís coming off ACL injury and hasnít played yet this year. Heís an RFA too.


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Hell no. I donít want a 7í3 skinny big man who doesnít rebound and coming off a acl.....maybe for Rozier

warfelg
01-31-2019, 04:36 PM
DSJ, Harrison Barnes, 2019 1st
FOR
Porzingas

Silent
01-31-2019, 04:37 PM
Toronto, LA Clippers, Philly,

HunterNRoss
01-31-2019, 04:38 PM
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Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:38 PM
I would do it for Porzingis if I'm Boston

I would give up Hayward, Brown, Smart, Morris and a pick to get KP in a nanosecond

HunterNRoss
01-31-2019, 04:39 PM
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Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:39 PM
Or if I'm the Raptors I give up

Siakam
JV
OG
1st round pick

For KP

kdspurman
01-31-2019, 04:39 PM
Dallas needs to be all over this. I donít think there is any coincidence that he got to see his friend Luka win last night and talk to his childhood idol Dirk. If the Knicks still have interest in DSJ (who had a triple/double last night) I could see the Mavs putting something together starting with him. Do the Knicks have any huge contracts they want to dump? The Mavs will have to cap space to take on any bad contract the Knick want to rid themselves of. Also they would have control of DSJ for 3 more seasons on his rookie deal.

There you go

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warfelg
01-31-2019, 04:40 PM
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Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:40 PM
If he's going to Dallas I see them giving up

DSJ
Barnes
1st round Draft Pick

That's the only realistic offer

dhopisthename
01-31-2019, 04:40 PM
wow that was so fast.

warfelg
01-31-2019, 04:41 PM
Is this going to be that embarrassing of a return for NYK? Also Lee, Matthews, Nitlikina, Smith, Hardaway? Another move on the way?

Jets012
01-31-2019, 04:42 PM
Knicks = Worst Run Franchise In Professional Sports

Not even a remotely close #2 also. They're just as pathetic as it comes

warfelg
01-31-2019, 04:42 PM
wow that was so fast.

Gotta assume that Dallas has called in the past.

kdspurman
01-31-2019, 04:42 PM
Is this going to be that embarrassing of a return for NYK? Also Lee, Matthews, Nitlikina, Smith, Hardaway? Another move on the way?

There's gotta be more... That's just... man.

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 04:43 PM
Iím done as a Knick fan for now.

KB24PG16
01-31-2019, 04:43 PM
wow thats almost nothing for porzingis, hopefully this drives down the price for ad lol

warfelg
01-31-2019, 04:43 PM
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Mr.B
01-31-2019, 04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1091073846583582721?s=21

PAOboston
01-31-2019, 04:44 PM
Ooof. If all it took was DSJ.

Great move for Dallas. Zinger gets to play for a good organization.




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warfelg
01-31-2019, 04:44 PM
There's gotta be more... That's just... man.

It's like they used Porz as bait to drop other contracts. Do they need to be managed by the Colangelo's?

Silent
01-31-2019, 04:44 PM
I would do it for Porzingis if I'm Boston

I would give up Hayward, Brown, Smart, Morris and a pick to get KP in a nanosecond

Nope With out Smart and Morris team is too soft

KB24PG16
01-31-2019, 04:45 PM
nba should veto this trade

dhopisthename
01-31-2019, 04:45 PM
sure sounds like its just Dennis Smith JR, a first, and they eat the contracts of Tim hardaway jr and courtney lee.

Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:46 PM
Kristaps for him it won't take a lot because he's nowhere near the level of an AD; he was pre-injury he was as good as AD definitely not better but the potential was there for sure but who knows if he's the same player

PAOboston
01-31-2019, 04:46 PM
It is going to suck so much for NYK when they strike out on all FAs this summer.


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imReallyCHI
01-31-2019, 04:46 PM
dallas got him

warfelg
01-31-2019, 04:46 PM
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dhopisthename
01-31-2019, 04:48 PM
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so they either know something like durant or kyrie is coming or they are sure gambling huge for it.

lakers squad
01-31-2019, 04:48 PM
Dang, Mavs are going to stick it to the Knicks!

lakers squad
01-31-2019, 04:49 PM
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Huge gamble here!

Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:50 PM
So is the trade official now per Woj or

Mr.B
01-31-2019, 04:51 PM
sure sounds like its just Dennis Smith JR, a first, and they eat the contracts of Tim hardaway jr and courtney lee.

Knicks also taking back the expiring contracts of Wes Matthews and Deandre Jordan which should clear enough space for them to add 2 max contracts in the off season. KD and Kawhi?

Silent
01-31-2019, 04:52 PM
Mavs Just Got Scary

HunterNRoss
01-31-2019, 04:52 PM
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Rivera
01-31-2019, 04:52 PM
damnnnnnnnnnnnnn LUka + KP niceeeeeeeeeeeee

Foles9MVP
01-31-2019, 04:52 PM
That was fast. Didnít he just request to be traded today


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tp13baby
01-31-2019, 04:53 PM
Luka and Kristaps is a damn good start.

Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:54 PM
So DeAndre and Matthews go the other way to New York and in exchange Dallas gets Porzingis, Lee, and Hardaway Jr. but New York also gets DSJ; who won this trade? Clearly Dallas because Luka can pair up with Porzingis and Hardway Jr. which is great for their organization

tp13baby
01-31-2019, 04:54 PM
That was fast. Didnít he just request to be traded today


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This is how agents and players should handle requests. Not going to the media and staying quiet about it....

LA4life24/8
01-31-2019, 04:54 PM
Such a great move for dallas... doncic+zinger for years to come. Great 1-2 punch.

PAOboston
01-31-2019, 04:54 PM
Knicks also taking back the expiring contracts of Wes Matthews and Deandre Jordan which should clear enough space for them to add 2 max contracts in the off season. KD and Kawhi?

Sounds like a foolproof plan. Yikes. I normally donít feel bad for Knicks fans but that franchise is so poorly run it isnít even funny.


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Tg11
01-31-2019, 04:54 PM
Things are looking up for Dallas

Foles9MVP
01-31-2019, 04:54 PM
So is the trade official now per Woj or

Sounds like it


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aman_13
01-31-2019, 04:54 PM
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kdspurman
01-31-2019, 04:54 PM
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YAALREADYKNO
01-31-2019, 04:55 PM
Love this for my Mavs if Kristaps can stay healthy. Him and Luka should be fun to watch

YAALREADYKNO
01-31-2019, 04:55 PM
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Lakers

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-31-2019, 04:56 PM
Wow this is bad...I guess Dolan got tired of another "rebuild" and decides to go all-in in summer.

If they strike out again, this will set knicks back many years

imReallyCHI
01-31-2019, 04:56 PM
luka and kp, what else would you look to add if youre dallas?

lakers squad
01-31-2019, 04:58 PM
This could end up being one of the best tade deadline's ever!

aman_13
01-31-2019, 04:58 PM
If the Knicks don't land any FA, my goodness..

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 04:59 PM
god damn, that was fast....I stand corrected

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 05:01 PM
god damn, that was fast....I stand corrected

Hawkeye do you have any room over there in the ďlong suffering fanĒ Lounge?

lamzoka
01-31-2019, 05:02 PM
Knicks must know something we donít. KD and Kyrie is a locked or something. This shitt crazy

WaDe03
01-31-2019, 05:02 PM
Well that escalated quickly, just another guy Miami missed out on because Of the summer of 2017 when they gave all those ****** contracts.

Knicks have room for 2 max guys and might get Zion. They probably have a good feeling theyre getting some guys.

WaDe03
01-31-2019, 05:03 PM
They could sign Kyrie-KD/Kawhi/Jimmy/Klay and then trade Zion for AD this summer if he isnít moved.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 05:04 PM
Well that escalated quickly, just another guy Miami missed out on because Of the summer of 2017 when they gave all those ****** contracts.

Knicks have room for 2 max guys and might get Zion. They probably have a good feeling theyre getting some guys.

remember when they cleared all that space in the summer of 2010?

lamzoka
01-31-2019, 05:06 PM
Iím so heated and confused. There is no way this whole thing went down in 2 hours. Cuban was here last night.

aman_13
01-31-2019, 05:07 PM
This trade will look awful if the Knicks strike out in FA.

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 05:09 PM
This trade will look awful if the Knicks strike out in FA.

They will

Unless if you consider Tobias Harris for the supermax a strike out

lamzoka
01-31-2019, 05:09 PM
This trade will look awful if the Knicks strike out in FA.

We canít judge tihistrade til after free agency. I donít think management would trade KP for DSJ and a first rd pick. Thatís what they pretty much did.

WaDe03
01-31-2019, 05:10 PM
Wtf Kristaps is signing the qualifying offer this summer? Does that kill the trade?

Pierzynski4Prez
01-31-2019, 05:14 PM
Knicks are back!

aman_13
01-31-2019, 05:14 PM
They will

Unless if you consider Tobias Harris for the supermax a strike out



We canít judge tihistrade til after free agency. I donít think management would trade KP for DSJ and a first rd pick. Thatís what they pretty much did.

I think they are taking a huge risk but there has been some talk about KD and NY. Idk, i remember Matt Barnes or someone saying that NY will be the place FAs look at this off season. Maybe they know something.

Htownballa1622
01-31-2019, 05:15 PM
porzingis bouncing after signing qualifying option will be awesome. lol

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 05:16 PM
Good move for both teams. One of those situations where both teams win, honestly.

warfelg
01-31-2019, 05:17 PM
porzingis bouncing after signing qualifying option will be awesome. lol

I wouldnít bank on that. Luka is a good friend and his idol is Dirk.

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 05:17 PM
I think they are taking a huge risk but there has been some talk about KD and NY. Idk, i remember Matt Barnes or someone saying that NY will be the place FAs look at this off season. Maybe they know something.

I can see that and KP signing the QO might be the reason they traded him but I doubt it man.

PAOboston
01-31-2019, 05:19 PM
Knicks must know something we donít. KD and Kyrie is a locked or something. This shitt crazy

Yeah, I wouldnít hold your breath man.


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mike_noodles
01-31-2019, 05:19 PM
Holy crap. That was quick. Mavs and Knicks weren't ****ing around.

Tg11
01-31-2019, 05:19 PM
Dallas are making a serious push for playoffs with these moves

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 05:20 PM
Dallas are making a serious push for playoffs with these moves

KP is still out. This won't help them short-term.

Silent
01-31-2019, 05:21 PM
KP is still out. This won't help them short-term.

Longterm

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 05:21 PM
KP is still out. This won't help them short-term.

Yup this deal might help then keep their pick this year

mike_noodles
01-31-2019, 05:22 PM
remember when they cleared all that space in the summer of 2010?


This trade will look awful if the Knicks strike out in FA.

Nothing's changed.

zn23
01-31-2019, 05:22 PM
Kristaps and Luka? Count me in!

Tg11
01-31-2019, 05:22 PM
If Knicks strike out in free agency then it is like what was the point

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 05:22 PM
But why the **** would Dallas deal for him if heís only going to sign the QO? Where does KP want to play lol

Silent
01-31-2019, 05:22 PM
Cuban Really likes his white boys lol

Rivera
01-31-2019, 05:23 PM
yooooooooooooo :laugh:

i feel for knicks fans

TakeYourL
01-31-2019, 05:23 PM
Our gm just traded our franchise player to dump a contract that he gave to hardaway.

Most Knicks type ish ever.

I have 0 faith they actually know what they are doing

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 05:24 PM
Knicks nailed this trade. Prime location if they don't massively screw up (which they probably will).

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 05:24 PM
so is Dallas just making this trade with a worst case scenario they just created plenty of cap space? Confused...

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 05:25 PM
Our gm just traded our franchise player to dump a contract that he gave to hardaway.

Most Knicks type ish ever.

I have 0 faith they actually know what they are doing

welcome to being a Wolves fan. At least your team is in NYC, the greatest city in the US

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 05:25 PM
Our gm just traded our franchise player to dump a contract that he gave to hardaway.

Most Knicks type ish ever.

I have 0 faith they actually know what they are doing

Wasn't gonna work anyways. Get rid of him while you can get the best value. They got rid of $30M in salary to get two max players next year. 100% a great deal.

Tg11
01-31-2019, 05:28 PM
Only a great deal if they manage to get 2 max guys in New York

zn23
01-31-2019, 05:31 PM
Wasn't gonna work anyways. Get rid of him while you can get the best value. They got rid of $30M in salary to get two max players next year. 100% a great deal.

If they can convince those players to sign with them... The Knicks aren't exactly a premier destination anymore. Bad coaching, bad management bad owner. It rots from the top.

Leftcoast_yg
01-31-2019, 05:31 PM
Yeah, I wouldnít hold your breath man.


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Kyrie doesnít want to resign with the Celtics I think you probably should be holding yours instead of advising others not to do so bud.

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 05:32 PM
If they can convince those players to sign with them... The Knicks aren't exactly a premier destination anymore. Bad coaching, bad management bad owner. It rots from the top.

I like the direction with this move, though. They're at least acknowledging that they should try to get in on the sweepstakes.

aman_13
01-31-2019, 05:33 PM
Wasn't gonna work anyways. Get rid of him while you can get the best value. They got rid of $30M in salary to get two max players next year. 100% a great deal.

In the event they can land free agents. I'm willing to bet they have inside info but it's a risk. Maybe one worth taking but i wouldn't call this a great deal by any means. Love it for Dallas.

valade16
01-31-2019, 05:33 PM
This trade will look awful if the Knicks strike out in FA.

I don't think so actually. If they strike out at least they got rid of their worst contracts and they will still be getting a top player via the draft this year and will suck so bad, they'll be guaranteed top picks for a few years while still having some salary flexibility.

They basically decided to trade Porzingis for the chance to flip a coin and get superstars via FA or go into a 76ers style rebuild. Either way, they are in a better position in terms of flexibility today than they were yesterday.

TakeYourL
01-31-2019, 05:34 PM
welcome to being a Wolves fan. At least your team is in NYC, the greatest city in the US

Hopefully the max contract players feel the same.



Wasn't gonna work anyways. Get rid of him while you can get the best value. They got rid of $30M in salary to get two max players next year. 100% a great deal.

I don't trust my team with that much $ to spend. Noah, Timmy, Amare, list goes on forever

But as much as I loved zingis, a long term max deal for a player who has been injured more than he's actually played concerned me a lot.

But damn, to get nothing back for a player of his caliber is a fail imo.

aman_13
01-31-2019, 05:35 PM
I don't think so actually. If they strike out at least they got rid of their worst contracts and they will still be getting a top player via the draft this year and will suck so bad, they'll be guaranteed top picks for a few years while still having some salary flexibility.

They basically decided to trade Porzingis for the chance to flip a coin and get superstars via FA or go into a 76ers style rebuild. Either way, they are in a better position in terms of flexibility today than they were yesterday.

I can get behind this line of thinking i suppose.

Mr.B
01-31-2019, 05:35 PM
luka and kp, what else would you look to add if youre dallas?

There is still a chance they trade Barnes. Kings have shown interest but no idea how far those talks have gone. Long term they will have a ton of money coming off the books in 2021 (if they donít trade Barnes). They will have enough money for 1 maybe 2 max players in 2021. My guess is they will target Giannis.

Vallejo Raiders
01-31-2019, 05:38 PM
welcome to being a Wolves fan. At least your team is in NYC, the greatest city in the US

Sf says hello

PAOboston
01-31-2019, 05:39 PM
Kyrie doesnít want to resign with the Celtics I think you probably should be holding yours instead of advising others not to do so bud.

You got the lucky lottery numbers too while your at it?

Kyrie is going to leave a good situation in Boston to go join the dumpster fire that is the Knicks??? Yeah, ok. Donít believe everything you read on the internets.


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Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 05:40 PM
Sf says hello

hell nah

ZH721
01-31-2019, 05:40 PM
Kyrie doesnít want to resign with the Celtics I think you probably should be holding yours instead of advising others not to do so bud.

You realize Kyrie said the exact opposite of this, right?

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 05:41 PM
In the event they can land free agents. I'm willing to bet they have inside info but it's a risk. Maybe one worth taking but i wouldn't call this a great deal by any means. Love it for Dallas.

Why not? They traded two bad contracts and a player who likely wasn't interested in resigning anyways in the near future. A healthy KP is what? A top 20 player? And he's coming off a huge injury/always had foot problems. Rumors were always pulling that KD+Kyrie wanted to play for the Knicks so you never know.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 05:42 PM
Why not? They traded two bad contracts and a player who likely wasn't interested in resigning anyways in the near future. A healthy KP is what? A top 20 player? And he's coming off a huge injury/always had foot problems. Rumors were always pulling that KD+Kyrie wanted to play for the Knicks so you never know.

do 2 great betas equal 1 alpha?

Rivera
01-31-2019, 05:44 PM
I don't think so actually. If they strike out at least they got rid of their worst contracts and they will still be getting a top player via the draft this year and will suck so bad, they'll be guaranteed top picks for a few years while still having some salary flexibility.

They basically decided to trade Porzingis for the chance to flip a coin and get superstars via FA or go into a 76ers style rebuild. Either way, they are in a better position in terms of flexibility today than they were yesterday.

its the knicks :laugh:

they will probably draft some dude we never heard of and Max Tobias

I dont trust the Knicks at all even with flexibility

the last time they had flexibility they gave Tim Hardaway 4 years 70 mil :laugh2:

Hawkeye15
01-31-2019, 05:46 PM
its the knicks :laugh:

they will probably draft some dude we never heard of and Max Tobias

I dont trust the Knicks at all even with flexibility

the last time they had flexibility they gave Tim Hardaway 4 years 70 mil :laugh2:

I was like 3 sentences into a very similar reply, and then let it go. It's the Knicks, all that needs to be said. I swear the guy who used to buy me beer when I was in high school runs the Knicks, he always had some "big money maker" brewing, like storing clear beer cause it would go up in value after they stopped making it.

aman_13
01-31-2019, 05:46 PM
Why not? They traded two bad contracts and a player who likely wasn't interested in resigning anyways in the near future. A healthy KP is what? A top 20 player? And he's coming off a huge injury/always had foot problems. Rumors were always pulling that KD+Kyrie wanted to play for the Knicks so you never know.

KP still has a very high ceiling. It will look great if they can get FAs, otherwise i'm not buying it as a great deal. I can get behind flexability and a long term rebuild, but this is the Knicks we are talking about and do their fans really want to see 5 more years of losing?

Honestly, i hope it works out for the Knicks.

warfelg
01-31-2019, 05:47 PM
do 2 great betas equal 1 alpha?

It's -30 in parts of the country and somehow this post was colder.

Oefarmy2005
01-31-2019, 05:48 PM
I loved the Mavs before this trade, I love them even more now! Hard not to like that organization and how they handle their rosters.

valade16
01-31-2019, 05:48 PM
its the knicks :laugh:

they will probably draft some dude we never heard of and Max Tobias

I dont trust the Knicks at all even with flexibility

the last time they had flexibility they gave Tim Hardaway 4 years 70 mil :laugh2:

Well yeah, there is that :laugh2:

I know there's a 95% they'll F this up, but they now have the potential to be good on the 5% chance they get their **** together lol

Rivera
01-31-2019, 05:49 PM
I was like 3 sentences into a very similar reply, and then let it go. It's the Knicks, all that needs to be said. I swear the guy who used to buy me beer when I was in high school runs the Knicks, he always had some "big money maker" brewing, like storing clear beer cause it would go up in value after they stopped making it.

:laugh:

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 05:49 PM
KP is still has a very high ceiling. It will look great if they can get FAs, otherwise i'm not buying it as a great deal. I can get behind flexability and a long term rebuild, but this is the Knicks we are talking about and do their fans really want to see 5 more years of losing?

Honestly, i hope it works out for the Knicks.

Same. No one talks about the Knicks in NY anymore and hasn't since Lin got traded but we have some very passionate fans here in NY.

TakeYourL
01-31-2019, 05:50 PM
News that he is going to sign his QO makes trading him an easy decision.

Sucks that Knicks were in that position though. No one thought he would actually do that especially with his injury history.

aman_13
01-31-2019, 05:51 PM
Same. No one talks about the Knicks in NY anymore and hasn't since Lin got traded but we have some very passionate fans here in NY.

And i'm a basketball fan first. When the Knicks are good, it's great for the game.

lakers squad
01-31-2019, 05:51 PM
You realize Kyrie said the exact opposite of this, right?

Who really knows what Kyrie, is going to do with all the mixed signals, he is sending!

aman_13
01-31-2019, 05:52 PM
Well yeah, there is that :laugh2:

I know there's a 95% they'll F this up, but they now have the potential to be good on the 5% chance they get their **** together lol

lol

goingfor28
01-31-2019, 05:54 PM
Looool DJ wanted Dallas so bad and they trade him away after half a season.

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aman_13
01-31-2019, 05:59 PM
Looool DJ wanted Dallas so bad and they trade him away after half a season.

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Was there tension with him in Dallas? I've read about DJ playing for a contract and stealing boards and stuff like that.

goingfor28
01-31-2019, 06:08 PM
Remember when he said he didn't want Philly because of a losing culture? Pepperidge Farms remembers.You win

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goingfor28
01-31-2019, 06:11 PM
Was there tension with him in Dallas? I've read about DJ playing for a contract and stealing boards and stuff like that.I thought he had signed a max w Dallas, but just looked and he only signed a 1 yr deal. So maybe you're right.

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Rivera
01-31-2019, 06:14 PM
Same. No one talks about the Knicks in NY anymore and hasn't since Lin got traded but we have some very passionate fans here in NY.

lies! i have a bunch of friends in Harlem. BX, Brooklyn and Manhattan, the Knicks are still a hot topic in NY before the KP trade. If you know a true New Yorker that is a Knicks fan you would know how nasty Iso Zo is! And thats according to my new york friends.

i wish i could link their posts for how mad they are :laugh:

IndyRealist
01-31-2019, 06:22 PM
So, is anyone else concerned how little value DSJ has after one year where he was in the running for ROY? Perhaps fans value what he does far more than front offices do?

lamzoka
01-31-2019, 06:23 PM
I like the 2 future first rd picks from the mavs.

Scoots
01-31-2019, 06:26 PM
So, is anyone else concerned how little value DSJ has after one year where he was in the running for ROY? Perhaps fans value what he does far more than front offices do?

I think that is true. Fans like the show, the metrics like winning plays.

LionsFan..LOL
01-31-2019, 06:27 PM
Looool DJ wanted Dallas so bad and they trade him away after half a season.

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Payback for 2015? "Oh you like it here now.. get the **** out!"

Lil Rhody
01-31-2019, 06:37 PM
What's the lotto #s this weekend

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Lil Rhody
01-31-2019, 06:38 PM
Dallas needs to be all over this. I donít think there is any coincidence that he got to see his friend Luka win last night and talk to his childhood idol Dirk. If the Knicks still have interest in DSJ (who had a triple/double last night) I could see the Mavs putting something together starting with him. Do the Knicks have any huge contracts they want to dump? The Mavs will have to cap space to take on any bad contract the Knick want to rid themselves of. Also they would have control of DSJ for 3 more seasons on his rookie deal.^^^^^

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rhino17
01-31-2019, 06:48 PM
Nick Wright reporting DJ to Houston after buyout

Wrigheyes4MVP
01-31-2019, 06:52 PM
Back with CP3

kyubi256
01-31-2019, 06:53 PM
This is a fascinating trade for the Knicks. Definitely means KP lost a lot of value with his whining and injuries. But on the other hand, I think the Knicks really couldn't see themselves with him anymore after seeing the AD situation and knowing he probably leave us whenever he gets the chance.

I take it. I really liked DSMJr last year so that's a nice pickup

TrueFan420
01-31-2019, 06:54 PM
Nick Wright reporting DJ to Houston after buyout

That would be a huge get for them. Capella, DJ and The Manimal would make a very good big man rotation.

Lil Rhody
01-31-2019, 06:57 PM
That would be a huge get for them. Capella, DJ and The Manimal would make a very good big man rotation.Houston would be down right dirty. DJ can cover for harden. It would be smart. Ugh wish the Celts could get him on a buyout but let's be real warriors are going to get him lmao

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warfelg
01-31-2019, 06:58 PM
I'm amazed how the trade isn't even final but they know where he will sign on a buyout without tampering.

valade16
01-31-2019, 07:02 PM
Houston would be down right dirty. DJ can cover for harden. It would be smart. Ugh wish the Celts could get him on a buyout but let's be real warriors are going to get him lmao

I can't see Capela and Jordan being on the floor at the same time, so what happens if Capela comes back healthy? Is Jordan OK in a backup role?

Mr.B
01-31-2019, 07:02 PM
Hereís a crazy thought. The Mavs now have 2 franchise players. With that in mind how crazy is it to think that the Mavs would have an outside chance at luring KD to Dallas? Heíd fit perfect between Luka and KP. He would have a legit shot at a title. It would improve his reputation because he would be coming to a team that would be trying to beat LA and Golden State. He also likely still has a large fan base from his days in OKC.

I know it would be a huge long shot but I my opinion you have to at least pitch the offer to him.

IKnowHoops
01-31-2019, 07:03 PM
Iím ecstatic if Iím Dallas. Knicks are a trash organization. Horrible

Heediot
01-31-2019, 07:03 PM
Nice pick up by the Mavs, but Porz needs to be healthy. Also needs to finish as strong as he starts a season.

Heediot
01-31-2019, 07:05 PM
Heís a restricted FA, unless he gambles on himself (EXTREMELY RISKY) heís stuck here. My personally I would trade him, dude is a diva and I donít think his body will allow him to become that franchise player. Heís in his feelings because Knicks fans would rather have AD, I mean why have the meeting now? We were losing since the season started lol

He just wants to play, he knows he healthy and Knicks want to tank. They are keeping him out which is pissing the hell out of him. He doesn't care about tanking.

Slimsim
01-31-2019, 07:06 PM
Let's hope porzingis comes back fully healthy ACL for a 7 foot player are scary Greg Oden prime example


The 2 first round picks makes this deal tolerable

kyubi256
01-31-2019, 07:06 PM
Hereís a crazy thought. The Mavs now have 2 franchise players. With that in mind how crazy is it to think that the Mavs would have an outside chance at luring KD to Dallas? Heíd fit perfect between Luka and KP. He would have a legit shot at a title. It would improve his reputation because he would be coming to a team that would be trying to beat LA and Golden State. He also likely still has a large fan base from his days in OKC.

I know it would be a huge long shot but I my opinion you have to at least pitch the offer to him.

Doubt they have the money after taking on Lee and Tim Hardaway Jr

Heediot
01-31-2019, 07:09 PM
DJordan can net you a first if he is re-flipped.

Leftcoast_yg
01-31-2019, 07:13 PM
DJordan can net you a first if he is re-flipped.

Exactly! The knicks better get rid of their gm if they donít flip Deandre for something valuable heís still a very serviceable center at the least. I hope the Knicks can get it together.

warfelg
01-31-2019, 07:15 PM
Exactly! The knicks better get rid of their gm if they donít flip Deandre for something valuable heís still a very serviceable center at the least. I hope the Knicks can get it together.

Problem is there's not a lot of teams that can just trade out a 1st without an expiring or another deal.

IndyRealist
01-31-2019, 07:17 PM
Odds Blake Griffin somehow ends up in Houston to reunite Lob City?

Heediot
01-31-2019, 07:17 PM
I think its most likely Kawhi if they hit on someone. I just hope he stays in Toronto.

Heediot
01-31-2019, 07:19 PM
KP is still out. This won't help them short-term.

I predict he suits up very soon. I think he wanted to play for a while and they wanted to tank which cheesed him.

warfelg
01-31-2019, 07:21 PM
Still wondering how we know DJ to Houston when the trade isnít final if thereís no tampering in the NBA.

Heediot
01-31-2019, 07:28 PM
Lakers would be a smarter move. He'll get the PT to boost his stock more vs. Houston. All Houston has to do is trade for Blake and we can Call them the Houston Clippers.

TakeYourL
01-31-2019, 07:35 PM
Still wondering how we know DJ to Houston when the trade isnít final if thereís no tampering in the NBA.

Lmao why would this even matter to you?

Of course there is tampering among agents and teams, who cares?

NBA just doesn't want it public.

goingfor28
01-31-2019, 07:41 PM
Payback for 2015? "Oh you like it here now.. get the **** out!"Lol

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Lil Rhody
01-31-2019, 07:55 PM
This also has heavy implications on the Celtics and Irving....

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AI
01-31-2019, 07:57 PM
If Iím the Knicks Iím calling MIL about a DeAndre for Hill and 1st trade.

Doing the same with PHI, offering Wes and Vonleh for Chandler, Patton and 1st.

More-Than-Most
01-31-2019, 08:01 PM
I have been pro knicks praying a big time free agent would go there with porz and contend because i dont h8 the knicks like i do the celtics and when the knicks/lakers and bulls are great the NBA is fun....

As for this trade without looking at any posts if there is anyone in here who actually thinks this is a good move for the knicks you should pick a new sport my god. You dont ****ing trade a guy that the NBA considers a unicorn with the hype he gets on top of the potential he has who is under control for a few more years for DSJ and a ****ing salary dump in hopes you get a free agent or 2 when you have so many other teams out there who will go hard for free agents in much better positions... I pray the knicks get kyrie but this might be one of the dumbest trades I have seen in a long ****ing time and its such a knicks thing to do... I am just at a loss for words.... Congrats mavs... You now have the perfect piece next to duncic to make you guys an instant contender next year lol

BKLYNpigeon
01-31-2019, 08:02 PM
If Iím the Knicks Iím calling MIL about a DeAndre for Hill and 1st trade.

Doing the same with PHI, offering Wes and Vonleh for Chandler, Patton and 1st.

Naw, Knicks are preserving Cap Space to chase Superstars. They can't take on any new money.


I expect Deandre and Wes going Rockets or Lakers when they get bought out. lol.

More-Than-Most
01-31-2019, 08:04 PM
this feels like porz said trade me and the knicks picked up for the first team that called them and said deal... such a stupid ****ing front office man really. Did they not learn their lesson from 2010? They better get 2 top free agents or this was pointless... Why not just trade porz for AD or wait and trade porz for AD... Kobe/Gms/Players all talk Porz to the moon about playing with the dude and they gave him away for a salary dump lol

BKLYNpigeon
01-31-2019, 08:04 PM
The NBA really needs to do something about the Buyout Market. should restrict teams to only 2 players per season. Its really an unfair wrinkle to the season.

Heediot
01-31-2019, 08:09 PM
Naw, Knicks are preserving Cap Space to chase Superstars. They can't take on any new money.


I expect Deandre and Wes going Rockets or Lakers when they get bought out. lol.

Hill's next year is a team option I think. It's basically trading expirings and grabbing a pick.

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 08:09 PM
this feels like porz said trade me and the knicks picked up for the first team that called them and said deal... such a stupid ****ing front office man really. Did they not learn their lesson from 2010? They better get 2 top free agents or this was pointless... Why not just trade porz for AD or wait and trade porz for AD... Kobe/Gms/Players all talk Porz to the moon about playing with the dude and they gave him away for a salary dump lol

You fell for the hype. Lots of Knicks fans have given up on Porz because they don't think he's good enough to lead a team. Yes, he's got potential but he's coming off a huge injury and he's always had foot problems. People are overrating him as a player. Knicks don't want to miss out on a game-changing free agency season in which they can potentially grab two superstars and snag Zion (best case scenario). This is more than about KP. They gave him away to get rid of Lee/Hardaway ($30 million in cap) and since they have DJ (who they can flip for some younger pieces or picks), this makes a lot of sense for them.

Heediot
01-31-2019, 08:12 PM
Still playing with someone who can run the pnr as sweet as Luka will maximize his talent even if you think he's over-hyped. But the injury concerns are valid for sure.

Vee-Rex
01-31-2019, 08:15 PM
Am I the only one that liked this deal for the Knicks?

AI
01-31-2019, 08:15 PM
Hill's next year is a team option I think. It's basically trading expirings and grabbing a pick.

Exactly. Hill would basically become an expiring for us, same as Patton/Chandler in the trade with PHI. Give contenders some nice pieces for their playoff runs and continue to stockpile assets.

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 08:16 PM
02/06/2018 Torn Acl
02/06/2018 Knee
01/23/2018 Left Knee Irritation
12/14/2017 Sore Left Knee
11/29/2017 Sore Ankle
11/25/2017 Low Back Tightness
11/08/2017 Sprained Left Ankle

That's not good when you're 7 foot. KP is very agile for his size. Gotta wonder what his limitations are.

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 08:17 PM
Am I the only one that liked this deal for the Knicks?

It worked out for both teams. Not sure why people hate it for the Knicks. "Unicorn" is becoming a joke. There are numerous young players I would rather have over KP.

More-Than-Most
01-31-2019, 08:20 PM
It worked out for both teams. Not sure why people hate it for the Knicks. "Unicorn" is becoming a joke. There are numerous young players I would rather have over KP.

unicorn is why its not a joke... forget the player and look at the hype... I dont care that they traded him I care that they did it for salary dumps and a player they could have drafted but took niti over instead who is also garbage... You dont trade the only thing that makes your team a free agent destination TO SCORE IN FREE AGENCY lol...

Knicks fans and 99 percent of fans everywhere are calling this a horrid trade and a knicks things to do... You dont give up someone that has the hype porz has where all the players constantly vote this guy a star who could bring people in just to get 2 max spots to bring people in... They better get 2 of durant/kyrie/butler/cousins/KL or this is gonna go down as the dumbest trade in knicks history.

More-Than-Most
01-31-2019, 08:21 PM
-psd logic... they made this trade to open up 2 max free agent spots



-Everywhere Else..... They gave up their only piece that would bring in free agents to get 2 max player spots for free agents :laugh:

More-Than-Most
01-31-2019, 08:22 PM
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2019/01/31/national-reaction-kristaps-porzingis-trade-knicks-inept-dallas-new-nash-dirk



Yup... great trade lololol

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 08:23 PM
unicorn is why its not a joke... forget the player and look at the hype... I dont care that they traded him I care that they did it for salary dumps and a player they could have drafted but took niti over instead who is also garbage... You dont trade the only thing that makes your team a free agent destination TO SCORE IN FREE AGENCY lol...

Knicks fans and 99 percent of fans everywhere are calling this a horrid trade and a knicks things to do... You dont give up someone that has the hype porz has where all the players constantly vote this guy a star who could bring people in just to get 2 max spots to bring people in... They better get 2 of durant/kyrie/butler/cousins/KL or this is gonna go down as the dumbest trade in knicks history.

Every Knicks fan I have spoken to thus far (including an entire building of NBA fans right next to me) thought it was a good move. Not sure where you're getting your source from but those upset about this really don't understand the situation the Knicks were in. KP wasn't going to want to stay around NY and he isn't as good as you think he is. Hype? Lol. Sorry but hype is what causes teams to make mental mistakes. The fact is, Knicks have opened up their salary to recruit players and also draft high in the lottery draft. That's a good thing - not bad.

Slimsim
01-31-2019, 08:24 PM
My BIg concern about KP was his Foot problems his endurance and the ACL injury he recently had.

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 08:26 PM
-psd logic... they made this trade to open up 2 max free agent spots



-Everywhere Else..... They gave up their only piece that would bring in free agents to get 2 max player spots for free agents :laugh:

They won't have salary cap for two max players without getting rid of Lee/Hardaway.. What are you talking about?

cmellofan15
01-31-2019, 08:28 PM
Saw a report that KP might take the QO and test FA the next year. That's the only case this trade would end up a wash for both teams lol.

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 08:28 PM
Every Knicks fan I have spoken to thus far (including an entire building of NBA fans right next to me) thought it was a good move. Not sure where you're getting your source from but those upset about this really don't understand the situation the Knicks were in. KP wasn't going to want to stay around NY and he isn't as good as you think he is. Hype? Lol. Sorry but hype is what causes teams to make mental mistakes. The fact is, Knicks have opened up their salary to recruit players and also draft high in the lottery draft. That's a good thing - not bad.

I wanted KP gone, didnít trust his body and with his ***** attitudes I wanted him out. KP force the Knicks hand and imo Knicks could only do a deal with Dallas because Dallas was probably the only team that would take on both Lee and THJ contract which is huge, plus getting back 2 future 1st round picks.

Itís a HUGE gamble you have to sell hard. Youíre pretty much telling FA (Durant) weíll sign you and you can bring anybody you want to go along with Knox, Robinson (top 3 pick) etc

IndyRealist
01-31-2019, 08:29 PM
I mean you can't really judge this for the Knicks until you see what they do with Jordan and their cap space. If they just cut Jordan and whiff on Irving, the trade looks pretty foolish. If they land Irving and KD and draft Zion, they look like geniuses.

More-Than-Most
01-31-2019, 08:29 PM
They won't have salary cap for two max players without getting rid of Lee/Hardaway.. What are you talking about?

they could have easily worked around that. The knicks arent the only morons out there.

More-Than-Most
01-31-2019, 08:30 PM
they traded him in 43 minutes :laugh:

GiantsSwaGG
01-31-2019, 08:30 PM
I mean you can't really judge this for the Knicks until you see what they do with Jordan and their cap space. If they just cut Jordan and whiff on Irving, the trade looks pretty foolish. If they land Irving and KD and draft Zion, they look like geniuses.

You can only hope

Hopefully we trade DJ before buying him out

R. Johnson#3
01-31-2019, 08:35 PM
Knicks logic

"Lets make a big salary dump so we can sign some big names in the off-season. Guys are gonna want to play in NY with Ntilkina and Trier".

R. Johnson#3
01-31-2019, 08:37 PM
Also lol @ DeAndre Jordan and the Mavs. First he screws them over in FA a few years back then as revenge they sign him and trade him to the Knicks. That's a great way to get back at him.

Saddletramp
01-31-2019, 08:40 PM
The NBA really needs to do something about the Buyout Market. should restrict teams to only 2 players per season. Its really an unfair wrinkle to the season.

Hilarious considering youíre a Warriors fan.

Also, you still owe me that link.

Tg11
01-31-2019, 08:42 PM
Also lol @ DeAndre Jordan and the Mavs. First he screws them over in FA a few years back then as revenge they sign him and trade him to the Knicks. That's a great way to get back at him.

DeAndre Jordan has fallen off anyway as s star

Saddletramp
01-31-2019, 08:51 PM
If the Knicks got the Mavs 2019 pick (which I briefly heard was the case but now itís ď2 future 1st round picksĒ) then they could have a top 3 and a top ten pick to go along with two max slots and yet another first in a few years. Assuming they buy out Matthews and DJ, this will potentially be a trade of KP and expensive filler for DSJ, Zion, a top ten pick, Kyrie and Durant or Jimmy or Klay or Cousins.

Or they might lose out on Zion and the top tier free agents and be left with DSJ, Tobias Harris and Kemba Walker. Only time will tell if this drastically alters the NBA or if theyíll go from jokes to playoff tweeners.

valade16
01-31-2019, 08:51 PM
Am I the only one that liked this deal for the Knicks?

I like it for the Knicks and love it for the Mavs.

Saddletramp
01-31-2019, 08:52 PM
I like it for the Knicks and love it for the Mavs.

Honestly, I like the potential for the Knicks and I hope it blows up in Cubanís face.

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 08:57 PM
Honestly, I like the potential for the Knicks and I hope it blows up in Cubanís face.

damn texas on texas crime over here

Jamiecballer
01-31-2019, 09:11 PM
So, is anyone else concerned how little value DSJ has after one year where he was in the running for ROY? Perhaps fans value what he does far more than front offices do?Well it's not really surprising since they had already decided they were done with him. I'd say they were damn fortunate that this KP thing fell in their lap when it did

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TakeYourL
01-31-2019, 09:13 PM
02/06/2018 Torn Acl
02/06/2018 Knee
01/23/2018 Left Knee Irritation
12/14/2017 Sore Left Knee
11/29/2017 Sore Ankle
11/25/2017 Low Back Tightness
11/08/2017 Sprained Left Ankle

That's not good when you're 7 foot. KP is very agile for his size. Gotta wonder what his limitations are.

What really concerned me about zingis sas how quick he wore down after every season

His body just broke down for no reason.

Who remmebers last year before his ACL injury when he was falling down all over the place? He would fall down for no reason, it was like his legs just stopped working.

I became real worried about his long term health after seeing that.

I don't think his skinny legs can handle carrying him for a full season. I've never seen anything like that, he would fall down 4-5 times a game.

FlashBolt
01-31-2019, 09:15 PM
What really concerned me about zingis sas how quick he wore down after every season

His body just broke down for no reason.

Who remmebers last year before his ACL injury when he was falling down all over the place? He would fall down for no reason, it was like his legs just stopped working.

I became real worried about his long term health after seeing that.

I don't think his skinny legs can handle carrying him for a full season. I've never seen anything like that, he would fall down 4-5 times a game.

Yup. I don't watch a lot of Knicks games but most Knicks fans I know gave up on KP because he's now in his what? fourth season? After the first season, we haven't really heard about KP being highly valued anymore because of his injuries being a major concern. It's weird how he's been out for a year already and all of this resulted from his legs just caving in. Signs were there even before he tore his ACL. It's a problem for sure. And I also wonder if maybe Knicks knew something the Mavs don't. It's certainly a possibility.

Dade County
01-31-2019, 09:29 PM
I don't like Dallas.... But great job. This had to be a behind the scenes, League trade. I still can't believe it. Dallas will have an exciting season, next season ay many more to come.

I hope Miami can have a behind the scenes trade too. :(

Raps08-09 Champ
01-31-2019, 09:56 PM
JFC I'm so embarrassed for the Knicks.

D-Leethal
01-31-2019, 10:13 PM
What really concerned me about zingis sas how quick he wore down after every season

His body just broke down for no reason.

Who remmebers last year before his ACL injury when he was falling down all over the place? He would fall down for no reason, it was like his legs just stopped working.

I became real worried about his long term health after seeing that.

I don't think his skinny legs can handle carrying him for a full season. I've never seen anything like that, he would fall down 4-5 times a game.

Years 2 and 3 KP came out gangbusters and completely fizzled out after the first 20 games or so. It was definitely peculiar. It was like he couldn't sustain the energy needed to play at the early season level all year. That said, early season year 3 Porzingis was an absolute monster. If he can somehow find that game and sustain it for a whole season that's a top 5 player. There are definitely questions about his body holding up, but he still has a top ceiling in the league. Big wildcard what he looks like from here on out.

TakeYourL
01-31-2019, 10:16 PM
Yup. I don't watch a lot of Knicks games but most Knicks fans I know gave up on KP because he's now in his what? fourth season? After the first season, we haven't really heard about KP being highly valued anymore because of his injuries being a major concern. It's weird how he's been out for a year already and all of this resulted from his legs just caving in. Signs were there even before he tore his ACL. It's a problem for sure. And I also wonder if maybe Knicks knew something the Mavs don't. It's certainly a possibility.

Well I loved KP and think he's a special player and wish he wanted to stay in ny, but he didn't and by telling the Knicks he was signing his QO, Knicks had no choice but to trade him now.

But his lack of durability is a serious issue. I've never in my life seen a player just constantly falling down the way he did last season.

His legs looked like they had no life in them. He would just fall down constantly.

TakeYourL
01-31-2019, 10:21 PM
Years 2 and 3 KP came out gangbusters and completely fizzled out after the first 20 games or so. It was definitely peculiar. It was like he couldn't sustain the energy needed to play at the early season level all year. That said, early season year 3 Porzingis was an absolute monster. If he can somehow find that game and sustain it for a whole season that's a top 5 player. There are definitely questions about his body holding up, but he still has a top ceiling in the league. Big wildcard what he looks like from here on out.

Agree about everything here.

But man, the way he fizzled out and than started falling down all over the place was so nuts.

But yeah, if he comes back healthy and sustains it, he's a game changing player, and it will be hard to watch him in another uniform.

JAZZNC
01-31-2019, 10:29 PM
Remember when he said he didn't want Philly because of a losing culture? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Best post of 2019! 🤣🤣

ohreally
01-31-2019, 10:42 PM
Maybe the biggest reason Phil Jackson was fired was because he wanted to trade Porzingis, when the return would have been much, much better. Personally, it was a long time since I liked Phil, but I thought he was right on this one.

Yes, big and mobile, but fragile and thought too much of himself. Kristapís best moves on offense were his awkward drives, which opened his thin self to injury. He was a good rim protector, but not really a good defender. At this point, hard to tell what he comes back as, or how long it will take before he really gets back to that level.

The Mavs didnít really give up much and possibly improved their chances in free agency. Defintely a good flyer for them. But playing Luka, Kristaps, and Hardaway at the same time wouldnít make for a defensive powerhouse by any means. If they can somehow flip Hardaway that would be nice, though I guess as a streaky scorer off the bench he could be useful.

The Knicks? I donít see why anyone would sign with them now. Not to mention that there is another team in New York that has a better team, a good history with draft picks and pickups, and two firsts and the Knicksí second this year, who may also have enough for two big contracts.

But yeah, remember when Lebron signed with the Knicks and chose his two additional stars to go with him? It had to have happened in some universe.

Saddletramp
01-31-2019, 10:42 PM
damn texas on texas crime over here

Hey, I grew up in Dallas (and even stayed one after the 3 Js kept them ******) and was a Mavs fan until Cuban did a bunch of goofy stuff. With the exception of Dirk, I despised basically that whole team in the mid to late 00ís and made the switch. And of course they win the title a few years later.

MygirlhatesCod
01-31-2019, 11:31 PM
Why would any star player want to play in ny? Honestly....unless itís in Brooklyn.

Mr.B
02-01-2019, 12:22 AM
Hahaha! Michael Rapaport!

Warning: NSFW

https://twitter.com/michaelrapaport/status/1091156898554859520?s=21

blahblahyoutoo
02-01-2019, 02:16 AM
DeAndre Jordan has fallen off anyway as s star

when was he a star?

Cracka2HI!
02-01-2019, 02:32 AM
I think the Knicks made a pretty good trade. Those 1st Round picks could end up being pretty good. I kinda buy into the cap space thing and can see KD going there. It's obviously a good deal for Dallas on paper. They should be set up nicely to be ascending when GS starts to come down. This might be a good trade for both teams despite how much **** the Knicks are taking right now.

xxplayerxx23
02-01-2019, 03:21 AM
DSJ better show something. I think they are going to go strong after AD/KD but that probably wonít happen lol theyíll get 2 FAs but itíll prob be 2nd tiers guys. Unless KD comes then theyíll be set up well lol

More-Than-Most
02-01-2019, 04:14 AM
[Porzingis] "The truth will come out :)


oh ****.

TylerSL
02-01-2019, 08:23 AM
Before I really break this down let me say that this was a terrible trade, and the New York Knicks are an absolute abomination for the NBA, and an embarrassment to the city of New York. To those who say that Porzingis is too injury prone, know that many players have dealt with debilitating injuries early in their careers before blossoming into superstars. Remember when Steph Curry had bad ankles? Remember when Blake Griffin missed his rookie year? How about Joel Embiid or Ben Simmons? We've seen guys deal with injuries early in there career only to blossom in as their bodies get stronger. To suggest that Porzingis is too injury prone and the Knicks were right to trade him is simply short sighted. Now onto the trade itself;

Even if Porzingis wanted to be traded, the Knicks were not inclined under any circumstances to comply with that request. He wasn't going to play this season at all and the Knicks were well on their way to a top 3 pick.
Porzingis would have then been a RFA and the Knicks would be able to match any offer that would come his way. With KP back on the court, next years Knicks could have looked much improved even if they struck out on the rest of free agency. A trio of KP/Knox/top 3 2019 pick would have given the Knicks a very bright future considering that KP, the oldest of the would be trio, will be 24 next season. That is not to say that New York would have been a contender in the East in 19-20, but they would obviously have a bright future and probably be in line for another top 10 pick in the 2020 draft with a legitimate chance of landing a free agent that summer with most of their young players on rookie deals (and the free agents this summer could sign one year deals). Who knows, instead maybe they could have packaged some of their young pieces to acquire Damien Lillard to pair with Porzingis. The possibilities could have been endless with what New York's future could have held had they kept KP.

Instead they traded away their best player and franchise cornerstone to dump bad contracts they never should have given out and to get a player they were stupid not to draft in 2017. While it's true that those were the residual effects of Phil Jackson's historically awful reign as President of the franchise, you don't give away your best player, who was a budding superstar pre-ACL tear, to give yourself the opportunity to get a superstar in free agency. Does anyone actually believe the Knicks are going to capitalize on the cap space they've opened up this summer? What will be their pitch to free agents, a clean slate? I can't imagine that they can convince people that trading KP gives them a clean slate. Dolan selling the team would be a clean slate, nothing short of that should be considered a clean slate for that franchise.

To sum it all up, no free agent is going to want to go to the New York Knicks, they are too far away from contention to garner serious interest from top players, and this trade puts them further from contention. This is true because even if you add two max players to this current roster they still probably couldn't get out of the East. The Knicks will strike out on all the top free agents this summer, like they always do, and will end up settling on the likes of Tobias Harris and Khris Middleton. They are really good players, but the Knicks will end up giving one of them a max. They will blow all their cap on 2nd and 3rd tier free agents and watch as the duo of Doncic/KP become truly sensational in Dallas. Dallas has more of a chance to land a top free agent in the next few years than the Knicks after this trade. What a joke of a franchise.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
02-01-2019, 09:20 AM
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MILLERHIGHLIFE
02-01-2019, 10:14 AM
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TrueFan420
02-01-2019, 10:56 AM
Love the gamble for the Mavs. Dumb move by the knicks

Hustla23
02-01-2019, 10:57 AM
Before I really break this down let me say that this was a terrible trade, and the New York Knicks are an absolute abomination for the NBA, and an embarrassment to the city of New York. To those who say that Porzingis is too injury prone, know that many players have dealt with debilitating injuries early in their careers before blossoming into superstars. Remember when Steph Curry had bad ankles? Remember when Blake Griffin missed his rookie year? How about Joel Embiid or Ben Simmons? We've seen guys deal with injuries early in there career only to blossom in as their bodies get stronger. To suggest that Porzingis is too injury prone and the Knicks were right to trade him is simply short sighted. Now onto the trade itself;

Even if Porzingis wanted to be traded, the Knicks were not inclined under any circumstances to comply with that request. He wasn't going to play this season at all and the Knicks were well on their way to a top 3 pick.
Porzingis would have then been a RFA and the Knicks would be able to match any offer that would come his way. With KP back on the court, next years Knicks could have looked much improved even if they struck out on the rest of free agency. A trio of KP/Knox/top 3 2019 pick would have given the Knicks a very bright future considering that KP, the oldest of the would be trio, will be 24 next season. That is not to say that New York would have been a contender in the East in 19-20, but they would obviously have a bright future and probably be in line for another top 10 pick in the 2020 draft with a legitimate chance of landing a free agent that summer with most of their young players on rookie deals (and the free agents this summer could sign one year deals). Who knows, instead maybe they could have packaged some of their young pieces to acquire Damien Lillard to pair with Porzingis. The possibilities could have been endless with what New York's future could have held had they kept KP.

Instead they traded away their best player and franchise cornerstone to dump bad contracts they never should have given out and to get a player they were stupid not to draft in 2017. While it's true that those were the residual effects of Phil Jackson's historically awful reign as President of the franchise, you don't give away your best player, who was a budding superstar pre-ACL tear, to give yourself the opportunity to get a superstar in free agency. Does anyone actually believe the Knicks are going to capitalize on the cap space they've opened up this summer? What will be their pitch to free agents, a clean slate? I can't imagine that they can convince people that trading KP gives them a clean slate. Dolan selling the team would be a clean slate, nothing short of that should be considered a clean slate for that franchise.

To sum it all up, no free agent is going to want to go to the New York Knicks, they are too far away from contention to garner serious interest from top players, and this trade puts them further from contention. This is true because even if you add two max players to this current roster they still probably couldn't get out of the East. The Knicks will strike out on all the top free agents this summer, like they always do, and will end up settling on the likes of Tobias Harris and Khris Middleton. They are really good players, but the Knicks will end up giving one of them a max. They will blow all their cap on 2nd and 3rd tier free agents and watch as the duo of Doncic/KP become truly sensational in Dallas. Dallas has more of a chance to land a top free agent in the next few years than the Knicks after this trade. What a joke of a franchise.

KP said that he was going to take the QO and become an unrestricted free agent. He wanted to leave regardless of the risk involved.

The Knicks are historically idiotic but their hands were tied in this scenario.

MygirlhatesCod
02-01-2019, 11:15 AM
KP said that he was going to take the QO and become an unrestricted free agent. He wanted to leave regardless of the risk involved.

The Knicks are historically idiotic but their hands were tied in this scenario.

they tied their own hands

Scoots
02-01-2019, 11:45 AM
I don't see how AD or KD end up on the Knicks.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2019, 11:52 AM
Hilarious considering youíre a Warriors fan.

Also, you still owe me that link.

Link to what?

I think the last buyout player the warriors signed was Matt Barnes 2016-17.
While the Rockets or Lebron James team adds 2-4 every year. lol.

R. Johnson#3
02-01-2019, 12:18 PM
I don't see how AD or KD end up on the Knicks.

Dolan is the owner while Trier and Ntilkina are the future but New York is the Mecca of basketball apparently. Knick fans think players genuinely want to go there because of that yet the only ďstarĒ theyíve had in the past 2 decades is Melo.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
02-01-2019, 12:23 PM
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D-Leethal
02-01-2019, 12:24 PM
Dolan is the owner while Trier and Ntilkina are the future but New York is the Mecca of basketball apparently. Knick fans think players genuinely want to go there because of that yet the only ďstarĒ theyíve had in the past 2 decades is Melo.

To be fair, it's not Knick fans talking about KD. You have legit guys like Zach Lowe saying all signs point to KD going to the Knicks.

Also, these players are the ones who put the Knicks on their list of teams every time they ask to get traded. It's not the Knick fans making that up.

Sorry nobody wants to play in Toronto. You will lose Kawhi soon.

GiantsSwaGG
02-01-2019, 12:26 PM
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We can only hope for the best but having 5 1st in 3 season and potentially more is refreshing

GiantsSwaGG
02-01-2019, 12:27 PM
To be fair, it's not Knick fans talking about KD. You have legit guys like Zach Lowe saying all signs point to KD going to the Knicks.

Also, these players are the ones who put the Knicks on their list of teams every time they ask to get traded. It's not the Knick fans making that up.

Sorry nobody wants to play in Toronto. You will lose Kawhi soon.

I wouldnít mind Kawhi and a buddy of his choosing in a Knicks uniform :)

R. Johnson#3
02-01-2019, 12:33 PM
To be fair, it's not Knick fans talking about KD. You have legit guys like Zach Lowe saying all signs point to KD going to the Knicks.

Also, these players are the ones who put the Knicks on their list of teams every time they ask to get traded. It's not the Knick fans making that up.

Sorry nobody wants to play in Toronto. You will lose Kawhi soon.

Why would these players continuously troll the Knicks like that though? Reporters say that players put the Knicks on their list and then Knick fans eat it up. It literally happens every year and then when no stars sign there they try to lure the likes of Joakim Noah, Tim Hardaway Jr etc.

People actually want to play in Toronto now which is exciting. If Kawhi leaves after the season then so be it because there was no guarantee. Itís just been a treat watching exciting basketball for the better part of the last decade. Almost as good as when Knick fans thought they were a contender in 2013 when they raided an old folks home to surround Melo with players.

MarkieMark48
02-01-2019, 02:16 PM
I think this trade puts the Knicks firmly in the drivers seat for this upcoming offseason, good for them.

lamzoka
02-01-2019, 02:21 PM
Knicks get AD
Pels get Knox, Robinson, Kanter (expiring) 2019 pick, both Dallas Picks

Knicks go after Kyrie and Durant in free agency.

Durant, AD and Kyrie = 2020 NBA Champs

Heediot
02-01-2019, 02:35 PM
Knicks get AD
Pels get Knox, Robinson, Kanter (expiring) 2019 pick, both Dallas Picks

Knicks go after Kyrie and Durant in free agency.

Durant, AD and Kyrie = 2020 NBA Champs

They just need a guy that knows how to run an offense, maybe sign Rondo. A creative coach can help offset that weakness too.

warfelg
02-01-2019, 02:49 PM
Knicks get AD
Pels get Knox, Robinson, Kanter (expiring) 2019 pick, both Dallas Picks

Knicks go after Kyrie and Durant in free agency.

Durant, AD and Kyrie = 2020 NBA Champs

That's not near enough outgoing money to hit FA with 2 max spots.

Money wise it takes: Thomas, Ntilikina, Smith Jr, Knox, Rodinson, Dodson.

Mr.B
02-01-2019, 03:29 PM
To be fair, it's not Knick fans talking about KD. You have legit guys like Zach Lowe saying all signs point to KD going to the Knicks.

Also, these players are the ones who put the Knicks on their list of teams every time they ask to get traded. It's not the Knick fans making that up.

Sorry nobody wants to play in Toronto. You will lose Kawhi soon.

Well AD seems hell bent on getting to LA. Kyrie seems to have realized that the grass is. It always greener on the other side and apologized to Labron so Iíd say there is a good chance he also ends up in LA. Kawhi seems destined for the Clippers. That leaves KD. Why would he leave Golden State to be the lone star with the Knicks. There is a better chance he goes to Brooklyn than the Knicks.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
02-01-2019, 03:49 PM
So KP taking the QO with the Mavs? Seems weird. Where does he wanna play after the QO next year?

MarkieMark48
02-01-2019, 03:51 PM
Well AD seems hell bent on getting to LA. Kyrie seems to have realized that the grass is. It always greener on the other side and apologized to Labron so Iíd say there is a good chance he also ends up in LA. Kawhi seems destined for the Clippers. That leaves KD. Why would he leave Golden State to be the lone star with the Knicks. There is a better chance he goes to Brooklyn than the Knicks.

LA cant offer Kyrie a max deal if they land AD. Itll be close to max, but not quite... Knicks can offer both KD and Kyrie max deals. Will the extra money be with it? Iduno, only Kyrie does.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
02-01-2019, 03:58 PM
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valade16
02-01-2019, 04:06 PM
I actually think that the Knicks continuing to build around Porzingis and offer him a large money contract in light of his injury concerns is a far more Knicks thing to do than trading him now while his value is high, before you have to pay him a ton, and not knowing how healthy he will be.

Vee-Rex
02-01-2019, 04:32 PM
I actually think that the Knicks continuing to build around Porzingis and offer him a large money contract in light of his injury concerns is a far more Knicks thing to do than trading him now while his value is high, before you have to pay him a ton, and not knowing how healthy he will be.

Agreed.

Wrigheyes4MVP
02-01-2019, 04:46 PM
To be honest, this was a smart trade for the Knicks after thinking about it deeper. Even if they strike out in FA, they are probably in a better situation where they can tank and maintain cap flexibility throughout the rebuilding process.

Plus they got a young player in the deal who has some upside in DSJ. So yeah, count me in the camp of people who actually thinks the Knicks made a good trade here.

This trade is a win win IMO.

cheetos185
02-01-2019, 04:52 PM
Knicks used KP to get rid of there past mistake in signing Thjr (thanks Mills) as for cap space yeah nobody relevant is signing to play with bunch of lottery picks if superstars were excited about it than lebron would have gone to philly.

Saddletramp
02-01-2019, 05:16 PM
Link to what?

About Green not bullying a college kid years ago. Never mind. Knew you never had one like you said you did.


I think the last buyout player the warriors signed was Matt Barnes 2016-17.
While the Rockets or Lebron James team adds 2-4 every year. lol.

Whatís funny is the Warriors have benefited from certain uncommon situations (cap spike where only one A Lister happens to be a free agent, Cousins injury coupled with league wide skepticism that he can totally rebound from it and then using an exception when theyíre already in the luxury tax) but teams and players both realizing they no longer need each/have value and moving on should be outlawed according to you.

Iím not a big fan of buyouts, either, but itís a rule on the books, just like that idiot cap spike that sprang up a year ahead of time so only a few could benefit while most other teams overpaid for role players who are still on the books at stupid deals and a team in the luxury tax still getting $5 million dollar exceptions. To ***** about certain rules that donít benefit you and not others that have benefitted you is lame.

The league needs to make up their mind if they want parity or not because half of their rules help small market teams and half of them totally help only big market teams.

Saddletramp
02-01-2019, 05:17 PM
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I said as much yesterday here. The Knicks could come out of this and be the team of the future.......or they could eat **** again.

FlashBolt
02-01-2019, 05:28 PM
I said as much yesterday here. The Knicks could come out of this and be the team of the future.......or they could eat **** again.

They would have been garbage with KP anyways unless they got a top five player (which was unlikely). At least now they have options. It's true for any team, though. Nets, Clippers, and Knicks could all be garbage teams again if they don't get the right players.

Saddletramp
02-01-2019, 06:14 PM
They would have been garbage with KP anyways unless they got a top five player (which was unlikely). At least now they have options. It's true for any team, though. Nets, Clippers, and Knicks could all be garbage teams again if they don't get the right players.

I like it for the Knicks a lot. Time will tell if they benefit or Knick it up. I either want no super teams or a ton of them. I like parity and not non competitive pusses joining up the already made elite. But when that first pussyass domino falls, more need to come.

ewing
02-01-2019, 06:46 PM
After we buy out Kanter and our new guys we will have the least talented NBA roaster ever! If thatís not something to cheer about what is?


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valade16
02-01-2019, 06:51 PM
After we buy out Kanter and our new guys we will have the least talented NBA roaster ever! If thatís not something to cheer about what is?

As a Knicks fan, what do you think of the trade?