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AllBall
11-20-2018, 03:16 PM
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https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCLE/status/1064955904230068224

Let the record show that this has been quite the entertaining start to an NBA season in years.

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mightybosstone
11-20-2018, 03:40 PM
Smith will be an interesting guy to watch to see where he goes. Since only like $3 million-$4 million of his contract next season is guaranteed, his contract should be fairly easy to move in theory by the deadline. I don't think he's anywhere close to a guy who can have a massive impact on a contender, but I could see him being a decent rotational guy on a playoff team who could make shots and have an effect on the postseason if he goes to the right place.

Sucks for Cavs fans to see how quickly things imploded, but at least they can move on from the Lebron era and all these veterans now. I still think that Love contract was a bad move, though, and nothing he or the team have done so far have suggested otherwise.

Rivera
11-20-2018, 03:45 PM
a lot of teams can use his services. Just thinking

Houston/Memphis/Milwaukee/Indiana/Detroit/Philly/Portland/Thunder/Pelicans could all use a player like JR

he should draw a lot of interest

FlashBolt
11-20-2018, 04:01 PM
Where are all the "LeBron is taking away from his teammates" nonsense? Seems appropriate that without LeBron, the Cavs are a terrible team. LeBron told management specifically not to trade Kyrie and that it would be the end of it. Looks like he was right. Cavs opted to rebuild and that's fine but they are just a poor franchise from the management to bottom down.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-20-2018, 04:33 PM
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Heck i'd try Delly,Wilson and Wizards second round pick for JR. Mainly trading for him as a salary dump next summer. Or get the trade bigger and get Korver as well. Delly was a Cavs fans favorite.

Tg11
11-20-2018, 05:32 PM
Send JR to the Raptors...I know they could use floor spacing on their team but add to 3 pt arsenal as well by adding JR

IndyRealist
11-20-2018, 06:02 PM
a lot of teams can use his services. Just thinking

Houston/Memphis/Milwaukee/Indiana/Detroit/Philly/Portland/Thunder/Pelicans could all use a player like JR

he should draw a lot of interest

Provides no value to Indiana at all. We already have an overfull backcourt and system predicated on running combo guards at the 2, not spot up shooters. Nevermind that Smith is worse than every guard in our rotation.

Rivera
11-20-2018, 06:18 PM
Provides no value to Indiana at all. We already have an overfull backcourt and system predicated on running combo guards at the 2, not spot up shooters. Nevermind that Smith is worse than every guard in our rotation.

lol no value? 10-20 minutes of good D and good 3 pt shooting provides no value? lol okay and he can also play backup SF minutes.

im not saying JR needs to start or play crucial minutes, but JR would be a huge asset to almost any team as a 3-D Specialist

IndyRealist
11-20-2018, 06:44 PM
lol no value? 10-20 minutes of good D and good 3 pt shooting provides no value? lol okay and he can also play backup SF minutes.

im not saying JR needs to start or play crucial minutes, but JR would be a huge asset to almost any team as a 3-D Specialist

31% is good?

Saddletramp
11-20-2018, 06:47 PM
Heíd be perfect on the Rockets, except for the whole ďItís JR SmithĒ thing.

mightybosstone
11-20-2018, 06:54 PM
31% is good?

To be fair, I don't think you can view this little sample size playing for a bad basketball team as an honest representation of the guy's shooting ability.

Edit: Not saying the guy is an elite shooter or anything, but he's a competent 3 and D piece I wouldn't hate the Rockets acquiring at the right price. If JR Smith is starting for your team, you're not very good. But if he's your 7th or 8th best guy, he's not a bad piece to have.

mightybosstone
11-20-2018, 06:57 PM
Heíd be perfect on the Rockets, except for the whole ďItís JR SmithĒ thing.

:laugh: I hadn't really considered that factor, but this is a fair point. If you just think of him as a player, a decent 3 and D guy with championship experience sounds like a decent asset. But the whole "It's JR Smith" thing is kind of a huge drawback...

Tg11
11-20-2018, 07:02 PM
JR could go to the Thunder

FlashBolt
11-20-2018, 07:10 PM
31% is good?

Beal is shooting 34% from three and while not utterly garbage, it's way below his average. Klay started the first 8 games shooting like 15% from three. Whatever the case may be, J.R. is on a team that doesn't really provide shooters the comfort of shooting. If Beal and J.R. are in better situations, I'd think they'd be much better at hitting their shots.

Rivera
11-20-2018, 07:13 PM
Beal is shooting 34% from three and while not utterly garbage, it's way below his average. Klay started the first 8 games shooting like 15% from three. Whatever the case may be, J.R. is on a team that doesn't really provide shooters the comfort of shooting. If Beal and J.R. are in better situations, I'd think they'd be much better at hitting their shots.

bingo!

JR would be a great piece on any contender as a 7th 8th man as a sg/sf. no one needs to play him big minutes or crunch time minutes, but any contender should love to have JR at minimum to provide 3-D for 10-20 minutes a game

Vinylman
11-20-2018, 07:15 PM
probably only value in a 3 way.

Can't see this going past Dec 15

If he gets bought out he probably goes to the Lakers who would then find a home for KCP Ö

KCP / SVI / Wagner and a first for Kemba :D

FlashBolt
11-20-2018, 07:21 PM
probably only value in a 3 way.

Can't see this going past Dec 15

If he gets bought out he probably goes to the Lakers who would then find a home for KCP Ö

KCP / SVI / Wagner and a first for Kemba :D

Yeah, I'm sure Michael Jordan would just love to ship Kemba to the Lakers and help LeBron out haha.

Vinylman
11-20-2018, 07:22 PM
Yeah, I'm sure Michael Jordan would just love to ship Kemba to the Lakers and help LeBron out haha.

you are losing sight of who his idiot GM is these days... they call him M(b)itch Kupcake

IndyRealist
11-20-2018, 07:34 PM
Beal is shooting 34% from three and while not utterly garbage, it's way below his average. Klay started the first 8 games shooting like 15% from three. Whatever the case may be, J.R. is on a team that doesn't really provide shooters the comfort of shooting. If Beal and J.R. are in better situations, I'd think they'd be much better at hitting their shots.

Even at his career 37% he's worse than every rotation wing except Oladipo.

IndyRealist
11-20-2018, 07:42 PM
bingo!

JR would be a great piece on any contender as a 7th 8th man as a sg/sf. no one needs to play him big minutes or crunch time minutes, but any contender should love to have JR at minimum to provide 3-D for 10-20 minutes a game

You're ignoring context. He wouldn't be 7th or 8th on the Pacers. Every rotation player in his slots is better than him. He doesn't fit our system. I don't know what else to tell you. JR Smith is a niche player who is not very good overall.

Rivera
11-20-2018, 07:48 PM
You're ignoring context. He wouldn't be 7th or 8th on the Pacers. Every rotation player in his slots is better than him. He doesn't fit our system. I don't know what else to tell you. JR Smith is a niche player who is not very good overall.

im sorry but I would take JR Smith over Doug McDermott every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

again I only listed the Pacers cause a bunch of teams could use another wing especially in the small ball era (but the Pacers wasnt the only team I listed!). didnt try to get your panties in a bunch and the odds of the Pacers getting JR is probably less than 10% doesnt mean he couldnt help the Pacers or another team

I would easily take JR over Doug so to say "every rotation player in his slot is better than him" is an incorrect statement

FlashBolt
11-20-2018, 08:01 PM
you are losing sight of who his idiot GM is these days... they call him M(b)itch Kupcake
Michael Jordan is equally an idiot in managing a team but he'll never approve of a trade by any GM to help LeBron. He's just that competitive.

Even at his career 37% he's worse than every rotation wing except Oladipo.
37% is way above average. I'll take it. He'll forever has his reputation tarnished with that blunder in game 1 but he can help some teams.

IndyRealist
11-20-2018, 08:42 PM
Michael Jordan is equally an idiot in managing a team but he'll never approve of a trade by any GM to help LeBron. He's just that competitive.

37% is way above average. I'll take it. He'll forever has his reputation tarnished with that blunder in game 1 but he can help some teams.

I didn't say he couldn't help -any- team. I said he doesn't break the rotation on the Pacers because of our system.

IndyRealist
11-20-2018, 08:44 PM
im sorry but I would take JR Smith over Doug McDermott every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

again I only listed the Pacers cause a bunch of teams could use another wing especially in the small ball era (but the Pacers wasnt the only team I listed!). didnt try to get your panties in a bunch and the odds of the Pacers getting JR is probably less than 10% doesnt mean he couldnt help the Pacers or another team

I would easily take JR over Doug so to say "every rotation player in his slot is better than him" is an incorrect statement

Funny how you think your opinion makes something fact. JR Smith is not statistically better than McDermott. Not this year. Your opinion seems to be based entirely on reputation.

FlashBolt
11-20-2018, 08:45 PM
I didn't say he couldn't help -any- team. I said he doesn't break the rotation on the Pacers because of our system.

I'm responding to your post with "31% is good?" remark.

IndyRealist
11-20-2018, 09:24 PM
I'm responding to your post with "31% is good?" remark.

I know. I was responding to "He'll forever has his reputation tarnished with that blunder in game 1 but he can help some teams."

More-Than-Most
11-20-2018, 09:31 PM
hell id take him on the sixers... You basically just need to cover up for his 1 horrid mistake every 25 games and his 1 horrid mishap come playoff time... well worth the risk.

FlashBolt
11-20-2018, 09:42 PM
I know. I was responding to "He'll forever has his reputation tarnished with that blunder in game 1 but he can help some teams."

I said some. Not sure where you got any from.

Rivera
11-20-2018, 09:59 PM
Funny how you think your opinion makes something fact. JR Smith is not statistically better than McDermott. Not this year. Your opinion seems to be based entirely on reputation.

it is a fact, go look at there history and tell me who is better, look at their skill sets as players, Doug was never better than JR Smith. JR has more tools as a player than Doug

lets use "context" mcdermott has never been good. JR Smith is in a crappy situation that he doesnt care about and cant wait to leave

but i guess mental stability has 0 effect on how someone can perform

and by your logic I could argue Tim hardaway JR > Ben Simmons because this season Tim Hardaway I could argue has been better than Ben lol

you are really something else look at this whole thread that turned to crap because you want to try to point something so miniscule that turned out to be incorrect.

i just threw a bunch of teams out there again im sorry for mentioning the pacers and putting your panties in a bunch because I said JR would be good for 10-20 minutes

IndyRealist
11-20-2018, 10:21 PM
it is a fact, go look at there history and tell me who is better, look at their skill sets as players, Doug was never better than JR Smith. JR has more tools as a player than Doug

lets use "context" mcdermott has never been good. JR Smith is in a crappy situation that he doesnt care about and cant wait to leave

but i guess mental stability has 0 effect on how someone can perform

and by your logic I could argue Tim hardaway JR > Ben Simmons because this season Tim Hardaway I could argue has been better than Ben lol

you are really something else look at this whole thread that turned to crap because you want to try to point something so miniscule that turned out to be incorrect.

i just threw a bunch of teams out there again im sorry for mentioning the pacers and putting your panties in a bunch because I said JR would be good for 10-20 minutes

Lol, in what world could you possibly argue Tim Jr has been better than Ben Simmons?

I hardly ever talk about the Pacers on here, because no one here cares to be informed about them. So it's curious that they constantly come up in these "Player X would make the Pacers better" scenarios. I believe you said the same thing about John Wall who doesn't fit with what the Pacers do, which would be painfully obvious to anyone who understood the scheme the Pacers run.

Vee-Rex
11-20-2018, 11:35 PM
Jr hasn't been 3&D since 2016. Just 3. And not really outstanding at that either when it matters. If we could get a bag of chips for him I'd be happy.

FlashBolt
11-21-2018, 12:45 AM
Jr hasn't been 3&D since 2016. Just 3. And not really outstanding at that either when it matters. If we could get a bag of chips for him I'd be happy.

Yeah his D has been garbage since years ago. Still I think he's worth more of a roster spot than some guy like Beasley.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-21-2018, 08:53 AM
Jr hasn't been 3&D since 2016. Just 3. And not really outstanding at that either when it matters. If we could get a bag of chips for him I'd be happy.

Would Delly and Wilson for JR Smith suffice? I been angling for Hill or JR, since Hill is only $1M guaranteed next year and Smith at $3.8M next year. I'm sure Cavs would want more picks and young pieces sent their way to get both them partial guaranteed deals. But them are cap saving deals for those that want to dump dead weight. That's if Cavs want dead weight besides assets. Since their in the full tank now. I'm sure you will start purging soon.

Rivera
11-21-2018, 10:32 AM
Lol, in what world could you possibly argue Tim Jr has been better than Ben Simmons?

I hardly ever talk about the Pacers on here, because no one here cares to be informed about them. So it's curious that they constantly come up in these "Player X would make the Pacers better" scenarios. I believe you said the same thing about John Wall who doesn't fit with what the Pacers do, which would be painfully obvious to anyone who understood the scheme the Pacers run.

i still believe Wall would be a great fit, when motivated, wall can D up, Wall can help run the break, and Wall is an upgrade over Darren Collison in every way except consistent 3 point shooting

Wall can fit in that scheme and add a more dynamic backcourt in the process.

But I guess upgrading a position means it wont fit or they wont be better lol

Vee-Rex
11-21-2018, 10:59 AM
Would Delly and Wilson for JR Smith suffice? I been angling for Hill or JR, since Hill is only $1M guaranteed next year and Smith at $3.8M next year. I'm sure Cavs would want more picks and young pieces sent their way to get both them partial guaranteed deals. But them are cap saving deals for those that want to dump dead weight. That's if Cavs want dead weight besides assets. Since their in the full tank now. I'm sure you will start purging soon.

Honestly? I'd be cool with whatever you want to give me, bro. You work out the deal and it's done, no questions asked.

Tg11
11-21-2018, 11:30 AM
JR to the Wizards could work or even putting him on the Wolves or Spurs

IndyRealist
11-21-2018, 12:18 PM
i still believe Wall would be a great fit, when motivated, wall can D up, Wall can help run the break, and Wall is an upgrade over Darren Collison in every way except consistent 3 point shooting

Wall can fit in that scheme and add a more dynamic backcourt in the process.

But I guess upgrading a position means it wont fit or they wont be better lol

The Pacers are a deliberately slow team, which allows them to both play D and have a hyper efficient offense (top 10 in both). The point guard needs to be able to catch and shoot because we're predicated on dribble penetration from SG, and need the other guard to open lanes with spacing.

Wall's ball dominate, non shooting game would be TERRIBLE next to Oladipo in the same way Westbrook was. A low usage, high percentage spot up shooter who can also run pick and roll works perfectly in our system. Wall would have been much better with the Paul George Pacers, who played at a much higher tempo and needed someone not George to set up the offense. John Wall is not Lebron James, you can't just insert him anywhere amd expect an improvement based on talent alone. This isn't NBA2K.

Rivera
11-21-2018, 12:52 PM
i forget, players cant adjust, they cant adjust to their personnel, they cant adjust to the coach, organization or scheme. they are who they are. even if they are in a miserable situation and go to a better situation, happiness wont equate to playing better or adjusting their game. i forget im sorry.

and im sorry that when Wall or Oladipo forces a turnover, they arent allowed to run a one man fast break when the opportunity arises and when it doesnt they dont have to change their slow style. im sorry the pacers have to be slow all the time and are never allowed to run a fast break when the numbers are in their favor. i forget my bad

Vinylman
11-21-2018, 03:05 PM
Yeah his D has been garbage since years ago. Still I think he's worth more of a roster spot than some guy like Beasley.

most you are getting is a late 2nd unless they eat a **** deal from the cap explosion year... even then I doubt it is much more than a late first

IndyRealist
11-21-2018, 06:54 PM
i forget, players cant adjust, they cant adjust to their personnel, they cant adjust to the coach, organization or scheme. they are who they are. even if they are in a miserable situation and go to a better situation, happiness wont equate to playing better or adjusting their game. i forget im sorry.

and im sorry that when Wall or Oladipo forces a turnover, they arent allowed to run a one man fast break when the opportunity arises and when it doesnt they dont have to change their slow style. im sorry the pacers have to be slow all the time and are never allowed to run a fast break when the numbers are in their favor. i forget my bad

Because assuming that veteran players will suddenly overcome their weaknesses they had their ENTIRE CAREER has worked out so well. I can't believe your reponse is, "well, Wall will just become a better player"

Rivera
11-21-2018, 06:57 PM
Because assuming that veteran players will suddenly overcome their weaknesses they had their ENTIRE CAREER has worked out so well.

i guess Javelle McGee never overcame his weakness

i guess steve nash never overcame his early weakness

i guess chauncey billups never overcame his early weakness

i guess victor oladipo never overcame his early weakness

you're not allowed to change or get better or listen to different voices that just might click. or maybe people never been through hard times and got better once they got to a place they started to be happy and respected!

it never happens! people cant get better with a change of scenery! its impossible!

IndyRealist
11-21-2018, 06:59 PM
i guess Javelle McGee never overcame his weakness

i guess steve nash never overcame his early weakness

i guess chauncey billups never overcame his early weakness

i guess victor oladipo never overcame his early weakness

you're not allowed to change or get better or listen to different voices that just might click. or maybe people never been through hard times and got better once they got to a place they started to be happy and respected!

it never happens! people cant get better with a change of scenery! its impossible!

How many times did you have to qualify your statements with "early" weaknesses? Wall isn't early in his career. And Wall's ego is the whole reason this team is blowing up. But yeah, he'll change.

FlashBolt
11-21-2018, 07:06 PM
i guess Javelle McGee never overcame his weakness

i guess steve nash never overcame his early weakness

i guess chauncey billups never overcame his early weakness

i guess victor oladipo never overcame his early weakness

you're not allowed to change or get better or listen to different voices that just might click. or maybe people never been through hard times and got better once they got to a place they started to be happy and respected!

it never happens! people cant get better with a change of scenery! its impossible!

I'd like to side with you because scenery means a lot but Wall just makes it impossible to. He's a high ego player who his teammates don't like. He's been the longest tenured Wizards player and it seems no one on the roster likes him. I doubt the guy has made any effort to get his teammates to be more cohesive. Wall's a very good player but when you negatively affect your teammates, you're a problem.

ewing
11-21-2018, 07:28 PM
Man I used to be the only guy on here that didnít like Wallís game


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R. Johnson#3
11-22-2018, 09:41 AM
Isnít JR set to make something like 14 mil next year? His game has diminished a ton and with that price tag I canít imagine someone wanting him.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-22-2018, 09:44 AM
Isnít JR set to make something like 14 mil next year? His game has diminished a ton and with that price tag I canít imagine someone wanting him.

Only $3.8M guaranteed next year though. So instant cap saving if waived. Hill is only $1M guaranteed next year out of $18M. So teams will be chasing these two guys at trade deadline if not sooner.

R. Johnson#3
11-22-2018, 10:48 AM
Only $3.8M guaranteed next year though. So instant cap saving if waived. Hill is only $1M guaranteed next year out of $18M. So teams will be chasing these two guys at trade deadline if not sooner.

Gotcha. So heís essentially just salary relief considering he has little to no game anymore. Heís going to be in for a surprise when heís sent to a crap team if heís sent anywhere at all.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-23-2018, 10:11 AM
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nastynice
11-23-2018, 11:15 AM
Where are all the "LeBron is taking away from his teammates" nonsense? Seems appropriate that without LeBron, the Cavs are a terrible team. LeBron told management specifically not to trade Kyrie and that it would be the end of it. Looks like he was right. Cavs opted to rebuild and that's fine but they are just a poor franchise from the management to bottom down.

Trading kyrie made no sense. If LeBron leaves, you wanna be able to build around kyrie. But they traded him for nothing. Their FO is just beyond pathetic

MILLERHIGHLIFE
12-08-2018, 02:02 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-at-least-two-teams-interested-in-jr-smith-now-that-george-hill-has-been-traded/85ybzwdcexcx1w3mmm1eoum5m

Rockets and Pelicans maybe considering going after JR Smith. Not sure how credible the source is. Take it for what its worth.