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kdspurman
10-25-2018, 11:18 AM
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WaDe03
10-25-2018, 11:25 AM
Blazers
Pistons
Celtics
Nuggets

FlashBolt
10-25-2018, 11:33 AM
Our defense and shooting sucks. Vs the Celtics, no bueno. Huge game for us tonight.

Cavs bout to get rolled because Blake+Drummond are going to destroy Love and double T.

Nuggets gonna roll Lakers. No defense on the Lakers to stop Jokic/Milsap and Nuggets got some good scorers.

Rivera
10-25-2018, 11:52 AM
Magic pistons Celtics nuggets

dhopisthename
10-25-2018, 12:03 PM
nuggets at lakers might be interesting.

Lakers + Giants
10-25-2018, 12:40 PM
Blazers
Pistons
Thunder
Lakers

zn23
10-25-2018, 01:07 PM
Nuggets vs. Lakers is interesting. They played each other very close in the preseason. No Will Barton either, who's out for 6 weeks.

Should be a high scoring game and should come down to the wire.

buckalis
10-25-2018, 01:18 PM
Blazers, Pistons, Celtics, Nuggets

ewing
10-25-2018, 01:31 PM
Blazers, Pistons, Celtics, Nuggets

SteBO
10-25-2018, 01:38 PM
Blazers
Pistons
Thunder
Lakers

TheDish87
10-25-2018, 01:45 PM
Magic, Celts, Nugs, Pistons

Edit - *Love is out

Lakers + Giants
10-25-2018, 02:23 PM
Nuggets vs. Lakers is interesting. They played each other very close in the preseason. No Will Barton either, who's out for 6 weeks.

Should be a high scoring game and should come down to the wire.

You're a nuggets fan right?

Looking forward to this game :cheers:

Saddletramp
10-25-2018, 03:41 PM
Blazers
Pistons
Celtics
Nuggets

Hate to keep with the status quo but yeah, seems like a lock.

kdspurman
10-25-2018, 04:46 PM
Blazers, Pistons, Thunder, Lakers

More-Than-Most
10-25-2018, 08:10 PM
Blazers
Pistons
thunder
lakers

FlashBolt
10-25-2018, 09:28 PM
Celtics look horrible. People actually thought Hayward/Irving returning were going to mesh instantly. That's not how it works. Hayward isn't even good. Looks like an untradeable contract to me there.

buckalis
10-25-2018, 09:40 PM
Would love to lose my prediction on the Celtic... what an unexpected gift for my Bucks it would be if we have them at -1, with us being at +5 tomorrow, after we beat the Wolves!

GREATNESS ONE
10-25-2018, 09:50 PM
Celtics look horrible. People actually thought Hayward/Irving returning were going to mesh instantly. That's not how it works. Hayward isn't even good. Looks like an untradeable contract to me there.


:nod:

zn23
10-25-2018, 10:03 PM
Paul George just missed like 5 straight shots. He's clearly a 2nd option, maybe even a third at this stage of his career.

ewing
10-25-2018, 10:20 PM
Celtics look horrible. People actually thought Hayward/Irving returning were going to mesh instantly. That's not how it works. Hayward isn't even good. Looks like an untradeable contract to me there.

he shattered his ankle and just started playing basketball again. Hayward can play it just going to take a little time


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IKnowHoops
10-25-2018, 10:23 PM
Celtics look horrible. People actually thought Hayward/Irving returning were going to mesh instantly. That's not how it works. Hayward isn't even good. Looks like an untradeable contract to me there.

As I said, heís nothing right now. I think he can get back, but probably not till the end of next season.

IKnowHoops
10-25-2018, 10:25 PM
PG just pulled a Dirk with the fake hit take

More-Than-Most
10-25-2018, 10:53 PM
**** the celtics just messed up my picks.... also wtf lonzo.. he doesnt look as confident as the last 2 games where he was good. He stuttered it seemed on a shot.

More-Than-Most
10-25-2018, 10:54 PM
Celtics look horrible. People actually thought Hayward/Irving returning were going to mesh instantly. That's not how it works. Hayward isn't even good. Looks like an untradeable contract to me there.

but when i said that about hayward when he was a free agent i got trolled so hard. I said that even before he joined the celtics that I did not like his defense and thought he was a product of the team he was on before... I never got the hype that was around the dude.

IKnowHoops
10-25-2018, 11:13 PM
Lance is so nice. Heís becoming a poor mans James Harden. Heís a keeper for real. Heís becoming my second favorite player in the NBA...😂

IKnowHoops
10-25-2018, 11:17 PM
So fun watching McGee dominate

More-Than-Most
10-25-2018, 11:39 PM
Lance is so nice. Heís becoming a poor mans James Harden. Heís a keeper for real. Heís becoming my second favorite player in the NBA...😂

O.o have you become a laker fan because of lebron?

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:00 AM
omfg I'm sick of these OKC players. They make me hate basketball. I'm seriously going to stop watching them. Management screwed up giving Adams that contract and now we have zero shooters.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:01 AM
Great 2nd half by the Celtics but moreso we ****ing suck man. No shooters, inefficient players, lack of team basketball. It's disgraceful to watch. I'm taking a break from watching this team. Making me sick.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:02 AM
but when i said that about hayward when he was a free agent i got trolled so hard. I said that even before he joined the celtics that I did not like his defense and thought he was a product of the team he was on before... I never got the hype that was around the dude.

You can tell Celtics are regretting it already. They're going to have to accept that they can't get rid of him unless they get an equally bad contract. Tatum is already better than him, lol.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:05 AM
We need to trade Russ. I can't watch this guy play anymore. Please take him. We'll take Jimmy Butler and Taj..

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:09 AM
Jokic is such a ****ing flopper man... This dude is too skilled to be trying to flop.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:13 AM
Hart and Ball's backcourt defense can be very nasty. Those two are too mature for their age.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:17 AM
Great 2nd half by the Celtics but moreso we ****ing suck man. No shooters, inefficient players, lack of team basketball. It's disgraceful to watch. I'm taking a break from watching this team. Making me sick.

Watch the Heat.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:18 AM
You guys are overreacting to Hayward something serious lol. Of course he isnít going to come right out the gate and be his old self.

Jenceman
10-26-2018, 12:19 AM
Lakers passing looks great, defence still lacking


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Lakers + Giants
10-26-2018, 12:36 AM
denver increases the lead with their bench, while we cant hold the lead for a minute with our bench out there...

tp13baby
10-26-2018, 12:37 AM
Jokic is such a ****ing flopper man... This dude is too skilled to be trying to flop.

I wish he would flop less but he is a product of the league. Nearly ever star does, just happens he is slower than most stars so its even more obvious. I *****ed about it last year and totally agree but at this point it is what it is.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:43 AM
You guys are overreacting to Hayward something serious lol. Of course he isnít going to come right out the gate and be his old self.

his old self wasn't even great....

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:44 AM
LeBron needs to start taking over these games. dude gets too passive. no need for that when the game is still close..

zn23
10-26-2018, 12:45 AM
Trey Lyles cannot miss when he's that close to the basket and being defended by Lonzo.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:45 AM
lmfao stephenson is hilarious.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:46 AM
his old self wasn't even great....

He was top 25 and an all star in a tough western conference leading a playoff team. The Celtics vs Lakers debates on here just have Lakers and LeBron fans feeling some type of way and itís stsrting to cloud some of yalls vision. Heís a hell of a player and deep down you still know this.

zn23
10-26-2018, 12:46 AM
Obviously Stephenson who's a 22% 3pt shooter hits two flukey back to back 3s.

Bostonjorge
10-26-2018, 12:46 AM
Lance will make you dance

zn23
10-26-2018, 12:50 AM
Paul Millsap needs to stop trying to iso...

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:51 AM
lance makin em dance

Jenceman
10-26-2018, 12:51 AM
Holy crap I love Lance haha. He energised the team.


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More-Than-Most
10-26-2018, 12:55 AM
Mcgee the mcgoat gonna be the one to end the warriors dynasty lmfao

Lakers + Giants
10-26-2018, 12:55 AM
.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:56 AM
two games in a row lance has been a key factor. Ingram+Rondo will ruin it!!!!!!!!!!

tp13baby
10-26-2018, 12:56 AM
Denverís defense came back to life with all the back cuts, and Denver back to turning the ball over in clutch time. Last years team is on show.

zn23
10-26-2018, 12:56 AM
Jokic played very poorly in the 4th quarter.

Paul Millsap was a complete disaster this game. So was Torrey Craig.

I like Craig as a bench player who plays 15 minutes, but you can't play him 24 minutes in a game. He has more turnovers than points.

This is something Denver is going to have to overcome with Barton out.

tp13baby
10-26-2018, 01:00 AM
Millsap is brutal ^^^

More-Than-Most
10-26-2018, 01:02 AM
i wouldnt mess with the lineup at all right now.. ingram/rondo would come off the bench when they come back until the lakers fall off somewhere

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 01:04 AM
i wouldnt mess with the lineup at all right now.. ingram/rondo would come off the bench when they come back until the lakers fall off somewhere

i agree. Ingram and Rondo should come off the bench. Lonzo and Hart getting their groove on and the lineup of Zo, Kuz, McGee, Hart, and LeBron works wonders.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 01:04 AM
lmfao lebron doesnt want the ball. knows he's gonna get fouled

Switch
10-26-2018, 01:05 AM
Ingram won't be coming off the bench

Lakers + Giants
10-26-2018, 01:06 AM
:yawn:

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 01:07 AM
great game by the Lakers.

tp13baby
10-26-2018, 01:14 AM
great game by the Lakers.

Agreed. The young guns played well and Lance loves the moment. West will be a ***** nightly.

Lakers + Giants
10-26-2018, 01:17 AM
Nuggets fans, GG. Hell of a ****in squad you got there. Your young core is ****in amazing.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 01:18 AM
Shaq is an absolute idiot man. There is NO REASON Rondo should be starting over Lonzo. NONE. Lonzo is a better defender, can play off ball, and his shot is way better. Tonight, Lonzo had five steals. Luke should get fired if he puts Rondo over Lonzo. Not to mention Rondo pounds the ball WAY too much from LeBron.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 01:24 AM
I apologize for crapping on Zo last season. Might be because I haven't watched enough of him but from what I've seen from the Lakers so far, Zo has been one of the most efficient and productive players on the Lakers. Never complains, knows when to give up the ball to LeBron and also when to push it, and he's knocking down shots. Plays smart defense and NEVER falls for the pump fake or players jumping into him thinking he's going to fall for the pump fake. Honestly, he plays like me in pickup games. I don't have a good jumper but I know how to create winning plays and Lonzo is exactly that dude. I hope Luke realizes this. It's funny watching Lance play point when Ball is on the court as well. Shows Lonzo can truly play with anyone.

Lakers + Giants
10-26-2018, 01:26 AM
I apologize for crapping on Zo last season. Might be because I haven't watched enough of him but from what I've seen from the Lakers so far, Zo has been one of the most efficient and productive players on the Lakers. Never complains, knows when to give up the ball to LeBron and also when to push it, and he's knocking down shots. Plays smart defense and NEVER falls for the pump fake or players jumping into him thinking he's going to fall for the pump fake. Honestly, he plays like me in pickup games. I don't have a good jumper but I know how to create winning plays and Lonzo is exactly that dude. I hope Luke realizes this. It's funny watching Lance play point when Ball is on the court as well. Shows Lonzo can truly play with anyone.

:clap:

Lakers + Giants
10-26-2018, 01:28 AM
FlashBolt, I learned that early last year. Kid is a great defender 1 on 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDAHEGWwZDo

Doesnt go for pump fakes or fall for other ****.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:28 AM
O.o have you become a laker fan because of lebron?

Iím watching Lakers games because of Bron, and Iím noticing how good players are on the team as I watch the games.

I want Bron to win so obviously I want the Lakers guys to ball. They are though.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:33 AM
LeBron needs to start taking over these games. dude gets too passive. no need for that when the game is still close..

I donít think he wants to fall into the trap of everything depending on his movement. Obviously playoffs against GS, Brons level of ball dominance will have to be higher, but during the season, to make sure this team is in the best position to win, he has to kinda step back and let these dudes develop, but I do get what u are saying.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:37 AM
He was top 25 and an all star in a tough western conference leading a playoff team. The Celtics vs Lakers debates on here just have Lakers and LeBron fans feeling some type of way and itís stsrting to cloud some of yalls vision. Heís a hell of a player and deep down you still know this.

Deep down?!😂

Deep down I think he may never average 17pts per game again.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:38 AM
two games in a row lance has been a key factor. Ingram+Rondo will ruin it!!!!!!!!!!

They will be fine. They will fit right in no problem.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:40 AM
Jokic played very poorly in the 4th quarter.

Paul Millsap was a complete disaster this game. So was Torrey Craig.

I like Craig as a bench player who plays 15 minutes, but you can't play him 24 minutes in a game. He has more turnovers than points.

This is something Denver is going to have to overcome with Barton out.

When he has to go against Bron all game long, expect Milsap to be a disaster.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:50 AM
i wouldnt mess with the lineup at all right now.. ingram/rondo would come off the bench when they come back until the lakers fall off somewhere

Iíd bring Rondo off the bench for sure.

Iím trying to get Ingramís value up and he is a very good player.

Lonzo/Rondo
Ingram/Hart/KCP
Bron/Lance/Svi
Kuz/Beasley
McGee/The homie

Flip Ingram/KCP/Pick for KL if he says heís gonna leave anyway.

If they got KL, I think they beat GS.

Lonzo/Rondo
KL/Hart
Bron/Lance
Kuz/Beas
McGee/The homie

GREATNESS ONE
10-26-2018, 01:51 AM
I apologize for crapping on Zo last season. Might be because I haven't watched enough of him but from what I've seen from the Lakers so far, Zo has been one of the most efficient and productive players on the Lakers. Never complains, knows when to give up the ball to LeBron and also when to push it, and he's knocking down shots. Plays smart defense and NEVER falls for the pump fake or players jumping into him thinking he's going to fall for the pump fake. Honestly, he plays like me in pickup games. I don't have a good jumper but I know how to create winning plays and Lonzo is exactly that dude. I hope Luke realizes this. It's funny watching Lance play point when Ball is on the court as well. Shows Lonzo can truly play with anyone.

:hi5:

GREATNESS ONE
10-26-2018, 01:55 AM
Iíd bring Rondo off the bench for sure.

Iím trying to get Ingramís value up and he is a very good player.

Lonzo/Rondo
Ingram/Hart/KCP
Bron/Lance/Svi
Kuz/Beasley
McGee/The homie

Flip Ingram/KCP/Pick for KL if he says heís gonna leave anyway.

If they got KL, I think they beat GS.

Lonzo/Rondo
KL/Hart
Bron/Lance
Kuz/Beas
McGee/The homie

ďThe homieĒ :laugh2: :up:

Rocco007
10-26-2018, 02:00 AM
Lonzo Ball fills up the stat sheet with 12 PTS, 8 AST, 6 REB, 5 STL

zn23
10-26-2018, 02:10 AM
When he has to go against Bron all game long, expect Milsap to be a disaster.

I like Millsap defensively. But My biggest issue with him is that he doesn't understand his role offensively. He should play the role of a cutter not a guy who tries to iso.

When he tried to iso against Kuzma he had two turnovers in the 4th quarter.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 02:15 AM
I like Millsap defensively. But My biggest issue with him is that he doesn't understand his role offensively. He should play the role of a cutter not a guy who tries to iso.

When he tried to iso against Kuzma he had two turnovers in the 4th quarter.

Not sure if you're a Nuggets fan or what but if so, you guys are very lucky Milsap is on a team option next season. He's way too old to be the same productive player he was for the Hawks. It's a no-brainer to not pick up that team option and replace him. Everyone will be going after KD, Kawhi, and the top of the top but if KP can recover to his old self, I think he's someone you guys should look at. He'll fit right next to Jokic and those two would be unstoppable together.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 02:28 AM
cavs rarely went through a roster change and looks like the worst team the past what? decade? Lebron should have won MVP. that team is a mess.

Saddletramp
10-26-2018, 05:43 AM
Blazers
Pistons
Celtics
Nuggets

Hate to keep with the status quo but yeah, seems like a lock.

3-1.

13-5 for the week so far.

ewing
10-26-2018, 07:03 AM
but when i said that about hayward when he was a free agent i got trolled so hard. I said that even before he joined the celtics that I did not like his defense and thought he was a product of the team he was on before... I never got the hype that was around the dude.

Your still wrong


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ewing
10-26-2018, 07:04 AM
3 and 1.

13 and 5 overall


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ewing
10-26-2018, 07:05 AM
3-1.

13-5 for the week so far.

Wow weíre tied


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Rivera
10-26-2018, 09:10 AM
last night:

Lakers+Giants: 3-1
Ewing: 3-1
WaDe03: 3-1
KDSpurs: 3-1
Saddletramp: 3-1
More-Than-Most: 3-1
buckalis: 3-1
stebo: 3-1
theDish: 2-2
Riv 2-2


Results for the Week:

KDSpurs: 19-8
Saddletramp: 13-5
Ewing: 13-5
Rivera: 17-10
WaDe03: 16-11
Lakers+Giants: 11-7
More-Than-Most: 9-6
Cal827: 8-6
buckalis 3-1
stebo 3-1
theDish 2-2



my personal season total: 32-15

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 09:19 AM
Deep down?!😂

Deep down I think he may never average 17pts per game again.

Maybe not but his team is loaded lol. He could still become the same all around player he was and you all wouldnít be making these assumptions if the Lakers and Celtics debates werenít going on here. You all would also be talking differently if LeBron was on tbe Celtics. Iím just stating the facts brother!

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 09:39 AM
Maybe not but his team is loaded lol. He could still become the same all around player he was and you all wouldnít be making these assumptions if the Lakers and Celtics debates werenít going on here. You all would also be talking differently if LeBron was on tbe Celtics. Iím just stating the facts brother!

Yes u are right because Lebron makes whoever he is with soooooooo much more effective bro! Thatís just facts brother! Look at the Lakers guys...Lonzo, Kuzma, Hart are in fact balling brother! Itís all facts brother!

ewing
10-26-2018, 09:40 AM
Maybe not but his team is loaded lol. He could still become the same all around player he was and you all wouldnít be making these assumptions if the Lakers and Celtics debates werenít going on here. You all would also be talking differently if LeBron was on tbe Celtics. Iím just stating the facts brother!

Maybe he never gets back to his old self. I'd never root for that and am going to assume he recovers. acting like he if does he still inst a good player is silly. also, who cares if Tatum grows to be being better then him. Isn't every team in the league trying to stock pile 6'8 versatile wing players?

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 09:49 AM
Maybe he never gets back to his old self. I'd never root for that and am going to assume he recovers. acting like he if does he still inst a good player is silly. also, who cares if Tatum grows to be being better then him. Isn't every team in the league trying to stock pile 6'8 versatile wing players?

Tatum will be their best player by next year unless they trade for AD and I feel very confident in saying that. Thatís not a knock on anyone.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 09:51 AM
Yes u are right because Lebron makes whoever he is with soooooooo much more effective bro! Thatís just facts brother! Look at the Lakers guys...Lonzo, Kuzma, Hart are in fact balling brother! Itís all facts brother!

Iím not seeing much different from them than I saw last year brother! Iím just glad youíre able to admit youíre staning for guys only because itís the team LeBron plays for. Many wouldnít be able to admit to doing that but it does kind of hurt your stance brother.

kdspurman
10-26-2018, 09:59 AM
last night:

Lakers+Giants: 3-1
Ewing: 3-1
WaDe03: 3-1
KDSpurs: 3-1
Saddletramp: 3-1
More-Than-Most: 3-1
buckalis: 3-1
stebo: 3-1
theDish: 2-2
Riv 2-2


Results for the Week:

KDSpurs: 19-8
Saddletramp: 13-5
Ewing: 13-5
Rivera: 17-10
WaDe03: 16-11
Lakers+Giants: 11-7
More-Than-Most: 9-6
Cal827: 8-6
buckalis 3-1
stebo 3-1
theDish 2-2



my personal season total: 32-15

:cheers: OKC messing up the clean sweep smh.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 11:30 AM
cavs rarely went through a roster change and looks like the worst team the past what? decade? Lebron should have won MVP. that team is a mess.

Melo shouldíve been close second lol, look at the Thunder without him

GREATNESS ONE
10-26-2018, 11:35 AM
Iím not seeing much different from them than I saw last year brother! Iím just glad youíre able to admit youíre staning for guys only because itís the team LeBron plays for. Many wouldnít be able to admit to doing that but it does kind of hurt your stance brother.

You mustíve not watched last year.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 11:41 AM
Iím not seeing much different from them than I saw last year brother! Iím just glad youíre able to admit youíre staning for guys only because itís the team LeBron plays for. Many wouldnít be able to admit to doing that but it does kind of hurt your stance brother.

Not exactly brother! Lebron makes them for sure better! Those guys arenít as smart, and wonít push to get better as hard, if Bronís not there brother.

If Bron is there, and those guys try less, then I would not be letting you know what time it is brother. But Iíve been watching Hart so nice first summer league game, and the rest of the youngsters s are on a mission that they werenít on last year brother! So no my stance isnít hurt at all. My stance has always been, Bron makes other guys better. So with that stance, obviously I know the young Lakers will be better than the young Celtics.

Your putting the chicken before the egg, or vice versa...

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:01 PM
Not exactly brother! Lebron makes them for sure better! Those guys arenít as smart, and wonít push to get better as hard, if Bronís not there brother.

If Bron is there, and those guys try less, then I would not be letting you know what time it is brother. But Iíve been watching Hart so nice first summer league game, and the rest of the youngsters s are on a mission that they werenít on last year brother! So no my stance isnít hurt at all. My stance has always been, Bron makes other guys better. So with that stance, obviously I know the young Lakers will be better than the young Celtics.

Your putting the chicken before the egg, or vice versa...

Brother do not get me started on this! If LeBron wasnít there we arenít hearing a thing from you FlashGOAT or MTM about the Lakers young guys vs the Celtics young guys, etc. brother! And thatís the cold hard truth brother!

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:06 PM
You mustíve not watched last year.

Comparing this year to last year:

Lonzo Hart and Kuzmas numbers are slightly up. Thatís very common with a 1st year player going in to their 2nd year. Hartís come from increased minutes and usage.

Ingramís are down.

Nothing out of the ordinary here showing LeBron has made them all so much better. He very well could but Iíd chalk this up to it being their 2nd year and having a year of experience under their belt brother!

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 12:08 PM
Brother do not get me started on this! If LeBron wasnít there we arenít hearing a thing from you FlashGOAT or MTM about the Lakers young guys vs the Celtics young guys, etc. brother! And thatís the cold hard truth brother!

100%

But thatís why they are better. Because Lebron is there brother. They are better than Boston with Lebron. And thatís the cold hard truth brother. Your point is inconsequential.

The Lakers young core is a beast, that has been brought out by Lebron. You canít have one without the other.

If Boston doesnít have Horford and Stephens then we arenít talking about Bostonís young core either. Get it brother?

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:13 PM
100%

But thatís why they are better. Because Lebron is there brother. They are better than Boston with Lebron. And thatís the cold hard truth brother. Your point is inconsequential.

The Lakers young core is a beast, that has been brought out by Lebron. You canít have one without the other.

If Boston doesnít have Horford and Stephens then we arenít talking about Bostonís young core either. Get it brother?

Brother! The Celtics will be better than the Lakers now, at the end of the season, and next year brother. And thatís just the way the cookie crumbles. LeBron is great, best player Iíve seen since prime Wade but he can only do so much. Heís going to have to bust his *** to even get this team into the playoffs. You better be hoping Miami hurryís and trades for Jimmy so the Wolves fall out of the picture brother!

GREATNESS ONE
10-26-2018, 12:20 PM
Lmao this is what I feel like when reading your guys posts.

https://youtu.be/w5fkW5NZm9k

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 12:20 PM
Brother! The Celtics will be better than the Lakers now, at the end of the season, and next year brother. And thatís just the way the cookie crumbles. LeBron is great, best player Iíve seen since prime Wade but he can only do so much. Heís going to have to bust his *** to even get this team into the playoffs. You better be hoping Miami hurryís and trades for Jimmy so the Wolves fall out of the picture brother!

Sig bet then brother! I would love to own your page

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:21 PM
Sig bet then brother! I would love to own your page

Whatís the bet brother?!

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:22 PM
Lmao this is what I feel like when reading your guys posts.

https://youtu.be/w5fkW5NZm9k

Thatís why I say it lol! A friend dressed as hulk hogan for Halloween and itís stuck ever since.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 12:32 PM
Lmao this is what I feel like when reading your guys posts.

https://youtu.be/w5fkW5NZm9k

Hulk is Goat! Not the Rock, not stone cold, not the undertaker, not rick Flair. Itís Hulk all day. Love all those other guys though.

Rivera
10-26-2018, 12:35 PM
Hulk is Goat! Not the Rock, not stone cold, not the undertaker, not rick Flair. Itís Hulk all day. Love all those other guys though.

depends on your definition of GOAT and what category, are you talking in ring, are you talking as a draw, on the mic, as a character, are you talking total package? We do have a wrestling forum that is pretty knowledgeable, feel free to make that thread, you might be surprised at the response

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 12:40 PM
Whatís the bet brother?!

Sig ownership for the next season.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 12:41 PM
depends on your definition of GOAT and what category, are you talking in ring, are you talking as a draw, on the mic, as a character, are you talking total package? We do have a wrestling forum that is pretty knowledgeable, feel free to make that thread, you might be surprised at the response

Total package

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:41 PM
Sig ownership for the next season.

Yea but what are we beating on, records or what?

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 12:42 PM
depends on your definition of GOAT and what category, are you talking in ring, are you talking as a draw, on the mic, as a character, are you talking total package? We do have a wrestling forum that is pretty knowledgeable, feel free to make that thread, you might be surprised at the response

Maybe I will. Iím sure ole Blue will come waggin his little tail in there

Rivera
10-26-2018, 12:51 PM
Total package

heads up, they will probably keep him in the top 4, but as total package, i dont think the forum will agree hes #1, people are really down on Hogans in ring work, you'll be surprised and learn a few things about the wrasslin business

kdspurman
10-26-2018, 01:17 PM
heads up, they will probably keep him in the top 4, but as total package, i dont think the forum will agree hes #1, people are really down on Hogans in ring work, you'll be surprised and learn a few things about the wrasslin business

I thought he was talking about Lex Luger lol

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:20 PM
Yea but what are we beating on, records or what?

Yeah thatís the hard part. If we can come to an agreement on what shows team A being better than team B...Iíd prefer some type of statistical analysis. What stat best ranked teams last year in ur opinion?

GREATNESS ONE
10-26-2018, 01:31 PM
If you donít think Hogan is top 3 all time, you donít know **** about Wrestling. This coming from a Avid fan since the Late 80ís.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:33 PM
heads up, they will probably keep him in the top 4, but as total package, i dont think the forum will agree hes #1, people are really down on Hogans in ring work, you'll be surprised and learn a few things about the wrasslin business

What donít they like about his ring work?

He body slammed Andre
And his Shtick in the ring was entertaining as heck
Plus he was a beast and the best for a while as others were in and out

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 01:33 PM
If you donít think Hogan is too 3 all time, you donít know **** about Wrestling. This coming from a Avid fan since the Late 80ís.

Bingo

Rivera
10-26-2018, 01:42 PM
If you donít think Hogan is too 3 all time, you donít know **** about Wrestling. This coming from a Avid fan since the Late 80ís.

i just said top 4, because he would be on Mt Rushmore, wrestling is so subjective, and depends on your acquired taste and what type of style wrestling you enjoy. he was a part of the 80s golden era and helped wrestling go main stream for sure


What donít they like about his ring work?

He body slammed Andre
And his Shtick in the ring was entertaining as heck
Plus he was a beast and the best for a while as others were in and out

ill just say, hes a man of few moves, you can argue, if you have seen 1 Hogan match, you have seen them all

i have more to say, but thats a wrestling forum subject :)

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 01:45 PM
hulk hogan was a poor wrestler but was very charismatic. He was as stiff as a plank and couldn't really sell the shots. If you look at wrestling back then, I couldn't imagine watching it presently because they just weren't very good at selling the fights and the choreography was pretty bland. Hogan just came in at the right time, honestly. The pro wrestlers today are all far more talented from a physical aspect.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 01:48 PM
i just said top 4, because he would be on Mt Rushmore, wrestling is so subjective, and depends on your acquired taste and what type of style wrestling you enjoy. he was a part of the 80s golden era and helped wrestling go main stream for sure



ill just say, hes a man of few moves, you can argue, if you have seen 1 Hogan match, you have seen them all

i have more to say, but thats a wrestling forum subject :)

all those legdrops really caused him to have a bad back because he became stiff as a board very early. You're right, it is subjective but I don't see how Hogan was a great performer. Just incredibly marketed and the talent pool was very low back then. Look at what some of these guys can do today. Hogan wouldn't have been successful today with those two moves. John cena would look more of a superstar back then too. Today, you gotta be able to fly across the ring being 260+ lbs and also be incredibly agile. Hogan was slow and couldn't sell the shots.

Rivera
10-26-2018, 01:49 PM
hulk hogan was a poor wrestler but was very charismatic. He was as stiff as a plank and couldn't really sell the shots. If you look at wrestling back then, I couldn't imagine watching it presently because they just weren't very good at selling the fights and the choreography was pretty bland. Hogan just came in at the right time, honestly. The pro wrestlers today are all far more talented from a physical aspect.

theres parts i love and hate about todays wrestling

in ring, the quality has never been better. ever.

wrestlers dont have as much freedom as they did back in the day due to it being a coorporation

wrestlers today, a lot of them dont tell stories during there matches, and dont sell as good as back in the day, that can drive me nuts

the stories today are so convoluted, not always well told, it can affect a build/anticipation of a match that should feel bigger than what they are

95% of wrestlers have scripted promos only a hand selected few have the old school bullet points and freedom, sometimes it can hamstring them

you are right, Hogan came at the perfect time, kind of like Austin and Rock who came at the perfect time when the landscape was changing again

Rivera
10-26-2018, 01:54 PM
all those legdrops really caused him to have a bad back because he became stiff as a board very early. You're right, it is subjective but I don't see how Hogan was a great performer. Just incredibly marketed and the talent pool was very low back then. Look at what some of these guys can do today. Hogan wouldn't have been successful today with those two moves. John cena would look more of a superstar back then too. Today, you gotta be able to fly across the ring being 260+ lbs and also be incredibly agile. Hogan was slow and couldn't sell the shots.

theres a bit to unpack here

Hogan, was a great performer, even without the wrestling, Hogan put on a memorable match on WM18 against the Rock. Because he got the crowd invested. Watch that match on mute, its a 1 star match. Put the noise on, thats a 5 star match and one of the greatest matches of all time because of how invested the crowd was and how much hogan/rock made them care

cena gets too much flack, hes improved greatly especially after 2011, whenever Cena had a real worker against him, Cena proved his worth time and time again, Cenas in ring ability his 2nd half is so different than the first half of his career, Cena is legit one of the GOATS in any era, dude improved in the ring like crazy

that last part can be incredibly overrated. one of my favorite current stars is the Miz. no one is going to say hes the most amazing worker. but his mannerisms, the way he gets the crowd involved, the way how he can tell a story in a match, incredibly underrated

me personally, i rather have a story told to me in the ring vs 8 540 splashes through tables, 3 hurricanrannas, and a shooting star press in the same match, call me old school, but stories get me invested

GREATNESS ONE
10-26-2018, 02:57 PM
The Miz!?!?!? Ahahahahaha Gtfoh!

Rivera
10-26-2018, 03:06 PM
I thought he was talking about Lex Luger lol

how did i gloss over this? what a great post! lol


The Miz!?!?!? Ahahahahaha Gtfoh!

if you havent watched his work the last 2/3 years, you have been missing out on the MVP of WWE. dude has been money lately, and holds to my example about not being great in ring but has everything else. hes improved in ring a lot tbh

GREATNESS ONE
10-26-2018, 03:45 PM
Iím watching, jist not every Monday Night Raw like I used too.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 05:22 PM
i just said top 4, because he would be on Mt Rushmore, wrestling is so subjective, and depends on your acquired taste and what type of style wrestling you enjoy. he was a part of the 80s golden era and helped wrestling go main stream for sure



ill just say, hes a man of few moves, you can argue, if you have seen 1 Hogan match, you have seen them all

i have more to say, but thats a wrestling forum subject :)

Hahaha, few moves, but he could dramatize the simplest of moves and make it seem amazing. Ray mysterio had tons of moves. Nowhere near as entertaining. True you could say that about Hogan, but seeing him pull wins out was awesome, or seeing him loose when heís in Hulk mode was crazy too. I remember him loosing to the Ultimate Warrior. They both were in unstoppable mode at the time of his defeat so you were literally on your feet having no idea what was going to give. Itís all fake so the performance/the acting. For me my Rushmore has Rock/Hulk/Undertaker...for sure those 3 are the most entertaining Iíve seen. The last spot...not sure.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 05:24 PM
all those legdrops really caused him to have a bad back because he became stiff as a board very early. You're right, it is subjective but I don't see how Hogan was a great performer. Just incredibly marketed and the talent pool was very low back then. Look at what some of these guys can do today. Hogan wouldn't have been successful today with those two moves. John cena would look more of a superstar back then too. Today, you gotta be able to fly across the ring being 260+ lbs and also be incredibly agile. Hogan was slow and couldn't sell the shots.

The acting, the dramatization was second to none still. Rock only guy on his level when it comes to Ring generalmanship.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 05:26 PM
Hahaha, few moves, but he could dramatize the simplest of moves and make it seem amazing. Ray mysterio had tons of moves. Nowhere near as entertaining. True you could say that about Hogan, but seeing him pull wins out was awesome, or seeing him loose when heís in Hulk mode was crazy too. I remember him loosing to the Ultimate Warrior. They both were in unstoppable mode at the time of his defeat so you were literally on your feet having no idea what was going to give. Itís all fake so the performance/the acting. For me my Rushmore has Rock/Hulk/Undertaker...for sure those 3 are the most entertaining Iíve seen. The last spot...not sure.

how do you not have stone cold? he's easily contributed to most of the hardcore pro wrestling fans during the 90's in a way I don't think will ever be replicated. But you do realize pro wrestling is scripted, right? I mean, in terms of entertainment, i gotta put The Rock up there in terms of overall ability.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 05:27 PM
The acting, the dramatization was second to none still. Rock only guy on his level when it comes to Ring generalmanship.

Nah, the acting was bad man. it would honestly look very botched in today's terms. Rock was much more fluid and had the "it" factor so he was always able to get the crowd rolling. Why do you think he's the highest paid actor?

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 05:27 PM
theres a bit to unpack here

Hogan, was a great performer, even without the wrestling, Hogan put on a memorable match on WM18 against the Rock. Because he got the crowd invested. Watch that match on mute, its a 1 star match. Put the noise on, thats a 5 star match and one of the greatest matches of all time because of how invested the crowd was and how much hogan/rock made them care

cena gets too much flack, hes improved greatly especially after 2011, whenever Cena had a real worker against him, Cena proved his worth time and time again, Cenas in ring ability his 2nd half is so different than the first half of his career, Cena is legit one of the GOATS in any era, dude improved in the ring like crazy

that last part can be incredibly overrated. one of my favorite current stars is the Miz. no one is going to say hes the most amazing worker. but his mannerisms, the way he gets the crowd involved, the way how he can tell a story in a match, incredibly underrated

me personally, i rather have a story told to me in the ring vs 8 540 splashes through tables, 3 hurricanrannas, and a shooting star press in the same match, call me old school, but stories get me invested

I understand your love for Miz. Heís entertaining. Funny. U know that dude started out on like road rules.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 05:29 PM
Nah, the acting was bad man. it would honestly look very botched in today's terms. Rock was much more fluid and had the "it" factor so he was always able to get the crowd rolling. Why do you think he's the highest paid actor?

Disagree. That brother rant greatness posted was better than anything monologued today in wrestling. Find a better monologuer than Hogan not named the Rock

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 05:30 PM
how do you not have stone cold? he's easily contributed to most of the hardcore pro wrestling fans during the 90's in a way I don't think will ever be replicated. But you do realize pro wrestling is scripted, right? I mean, in terms of entertainment, i gotta put The Rock up there in terms of overall ability.

Stone cold/ Cena would be the 4th for me

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 05:33 PM
Disagree. That brother rant greatness posted was better than anything monologued today in wrestling. Find a better monologuer than Hogan not named the Rock

i'm talking about in terms of wrestling ability. Hogan wasn't great at selling himself getting hit. His ability as a pro wrestler would be much different in present day just because he's a very limited pro wrestler. He's slowfooted and too bulky to do anything spectacular. In terms of monologue, yeah, he was very charismatic. Wrestling wise, no, he wasn't aesthetically impressive.

Heediot
10-27-2018, 05:28 AM
Stone Cold, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Nature Boy, Sting, Razor Ramon was nice too...

FlashBolt
10-27-2018, 04:50 PM
Stone Cold, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Nature Boy, Sting, Razor Ramon was nice too...

Shawn was one of my favorites growing up but dude was a huge a-hole so it changed my opinion of him later in the years. The Rock wanted to beat the hell outta him and so did the Undertaker.

IKnowHoops
10-27-2018, 05:27 PM
i'm talking about in terms of wrestling ability. Hogan wasn't great at selling himself getting hit. His ability as a pro wrestler would be much different in present day just because he's a very limited pro wrestler. He's slowfooted and too bulky to do anything spectacular. In terms of monologue, yeah, he was very charismatic. Wrestling wise, no, he wasn't aesthetically impressive.

Anyone who picks up Andre the giant and body slams his impressive. Ray mysterio was not impressive and he could do all the moves. Hulk was just as athletic as Stone Cold but better at performing. Anything that is fake, has to be dramatized. Great athletic ability used in a fake sport is nothing. Shawn Michaels/Brett the Hitman Hart/Mary Gennedy could all move as good as anyone ever. Still could not entertain near Hulk Hogan level.

FlashBolt
10-27-2018, 07:51 PM
Anyone who picks up Andre the giant and body slams his impressive. Ray mysterio was not impressive and he could do all the moves. Hulk was just as athletic as Stone Cold but better at performing. Anything that is fake, has to be dramatized. Great athletic ability used in a fake sport is nothing. Shawn Michaels/Brett the Hitman Hart/Mary Gennedy could all move as good as anyone ever. Still could not entertain near Hulk Hogan level.

Mark Henry could lift those guys as well but how many found him to be entertaining? It's a lot of factors. Rey Mysterio was impressive for his size considering WWE was always about the muscular dude winning everything. Stone Cold wasn't the best in the ring but he always knew what to do in the ring in terms of getting fans involved and everything. As far as in-ring leadership and ability, I think Triple H is the best at it. Plenty of stories of him teaching everyone.

Heediot
10-27-2018, 07:57 PM
Shawn was one of my favorites growing up but dude was a huge a-hole so it changed my opinion of him later in the years. The Rock wanted to beat the hell outta him and so did the Undertaker.

Yeah off the ring, the guy is a douche. BFF with HHH so they probably be politicking behind the scenes for title reigns and other things. Montreal screw job was just one example probably.


Anyone who picks up Andre the giant and body slams his impressive. Ray mysterio was not impressive and he could do all the moves. Hulk was just as athletic as Stone Cold but better at performing. Anything that is fake, has to be dramatized. Great athletic ability used in a fake sport is nothing. Shawn Michaels/Brett the Hitman Hart/Mary Gennedy could all move as good as anyone ever. Still could not entertain near Hulk Hogan level.

Yeah some people like yourself watch more for the entertainment factor.

Me I watch for a mix of reasons. Not a big fan of the rock and definitely not a fan of cena at all. Cena rap skills are horrid, his mic skills nearly as bad. He gets by with his puberty level fan boys. Rock is nice on the mic, bt too hollywood for me. That's why I'm not too big of a fan of flash, prefer substance, like the Hitman (who can draws viewers st based on skill, I don't know anyone who wouldn't watch his matches) or Benoit. A mix of mic skills and ring skills is cool too. Hogan and Rock do know how to get the crowd hyped when they finish off matches though. To each their own though.

FlashBolt
10-27-2018, 08:10 PM
Yeah off the ring, the guy is a douche. BFF with HHH so they probably be politicking behind the scenes for title reigns and other things. Montreal screw job was just one example probably.



Yeah some people like yourself watch more for the entertainment factor.

Me I watch for a mix of reasons. Not a big fan of the rock and definitely not a fan of cena at all. Cena rap skills are horrid, his mic skills nearly as bad. He gets by with his puberty level fan boys. Rock is nice on the mic, bt too hollywood for me. That's why I'm not too big of a fan of flash, prefer substance, like the Hitman (who can draws viewers st based on skill, I don't know anyone who wouldn't watch his matches) or Benoit. A mix of mic skills and ring skills is cool too. Hogan and Rock do know how to get the crowd hyped when they finish off matches though. To each their own though.
hbk had an injury and was supposed to be out to recover and he didn't want to drop the title to stone cold. Undertaker was at the locker room wrapping his hands up in case Shawn Michaels didn't drop the title to stone cold. in short, he was gonna beat shawn's *** if he pulled some slimy ****.

another case with the rock, shawn Michaels disrespected the rock's grandma when he was down at hawaii for an event. When rock was with the wwe, Shawn Michaels and triple H both tried to prevent the rock from getting a push because they wanted the spotlight instead. both shawn and triple H were huge douches in the political game of it all. glad to see they've somewhat grown from that.