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MILLERHIGHLIFE
09-27-2018, 08:47 AM
Rockets lack tradeable salary because they moved Anderson.

Yeah Gordon and Tucker isn't exciting. Also Morey would have to sweet talk Kings with a first round pick to eat most of Dieng then hard to have Rockets eat Koufos or ZBO. Also Wolves probably want a pick as well. Rockets don't have anything exciting. Its down to Heat or Clippers. Unless a mystery team over pays for a rental. I guess Knight could be traded again. But since he was just traded for. Doesn't he have to be traded solo one for one player? Knight is the only other big salary. Capela cant be traded yet.

Like ya said that Anderson contract would be a nice salary filler right about now.

Driven
09-27-2018, 08:49 AM
i love how Houston has no cap, no real assets to trade but somehow they are in the mix for every superstar. im not being sarcastic either, I genuially love that crap. Morey always trying to find a way to be creative and get a superstar to Houston, he really calls in about everyone and I love that!

its like suns, we gave you the PG you liked and help us land Butler type of stuff :laugh:

It's amazing as a Rockets fan. I think most fans of all teams in all sports hear rumors of "so and so signing" with their favorite teams. There are always so many rumors of who you're team may get. People get their hopes up so high, but the chances of actually landing one of these rumors is slim.

With the Rockets, it's like they are rumored for every single big name, and even if they don't end up getting them, they have a realistic shot.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
09-27-2018, 08:58 AM
This may have to be like a 3 or 4 team trade or possibly even a side trade as well. Kings got $11M to eat Dieng. But Dieng is like $15M. So a pick from Rockets. Curious if Suns would want Gordon back? Or reroute him elsewhere? The Rockets package is pretty grim. Even if they can flip Knight again solo for something. Maybe Dieng goes to Kings for a pick then Rockets get Koufos or ZBO. But what big salaries going out from Rockets? It almost has to be Knight in a dump trade besides Gordon and Tucker if no Tucker then Nene and a bunch of other cheap pieces.

IndyRealist
09-27-2018, 09:07 AM
Knight cannot be bundled in any trade until the end of October (60 days after the trade). He can be traded by himself. Knight also cannot go back to Phoenix for a year.

Jamiecballer
09-27-2018, 09:20 AM
If the Suns are interested in Teague than I'm even more optimistic Butler lands in Toronto. Thibs wants guys who bust their *** and get after it and apparently also wants to stay competitive. Lowry, I will miss you but it feels like your friendship with DeRozan might have sealed your fate brother.

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WaDe03
09-27-2018, 09:27 AM
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Fire Thibs and get him out of the discussions.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 09:31 AM
I mean, this is exactly why you dont give a coach so much power. Thib's is supposed to be 100% concentrating on training camp right now. God Taylor, you are such a ****ing idiot.

mightybosstone
09-27-2018, 09:48 AM
1045302851663278080

Fire Thibs and get him out of the discussions.


I mean, this is exactly why you dont give a coach so much power. Thib's is supposed to be 100% concentrating on training camp right now. God Taylor, you are such a ****ing idiot.

They still have time, but the longer this draws out, the bigger the distraction is going to be and the harder it's going to be for the new-look Wolves to adapt to the new roster before the season. Taylor and Thibs need to get on the same page on this thing now, or they just need to part ways and admit that Thibs in Minnesota isn't working out.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 09:49 AM
They still have time, but the longer this draws out, the bigger the distraction is going to be and the harder it's going to be for the new-look Wolves to adapt to the new roster before the season. Taylor and Thibs need to get on the same page on this thing now, or they just need to part ways and admit that Thibs in Minnesota isn't working out.

I mean more so, that Thib's should be spending his time coaching right now. Not playing chess with Jimmy Butler.

I think Thib's should be dismissed, but it's not my money..

LeonFSU
09-27-2018, 10:44 AM
I think the Wizards should try to get the Timberwolves to make a trade involving Porter and Butler.

IndyRealist
09-27-2018, 10:59 AM
I think the Wizards should try to get the Timberwolves to make a trade involving Porter and Butler.

I wouldn't trade Porter for Butler. Porter is borderline great and locked into more years and wants to be there. Washington's problem is their incredibly overrated backcourt.

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 11:09 AM
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Rivera
09-27-2018, 11:11 AM
after all the smoke yesterday, im starting to believe that by training camp, Jimmy might still be a Wolf unless if Taylor steps in and makes a trade behind Thibs back

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 11:20 AM
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LeonFSU
09-27-2018, 11:36 AM
I wouldn't trade Porter for Butler. Porter is borderline great and locked into more years and wants to be there. Washington's problem is their incredibly overrated backcourt.

I agree that Wall is a problem as is Beal's contract, but I don't see them trading either of them. Butler is better than Porter now and maybe better than he'll ever become. They just don't have many avenues to improve other than trading Porter, although I would rather them trade Wall.

IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 11:40 AM
If the Suns are interested in Teague than I'm even more optimistic Butler lands in Toronto. Thibs wants guys who bust their *** and get after it and apparently also wants to stay competitive. Lowry, I will miss you but it feels like your friendship with DeRozan might have sealed your fate brother.

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Aaaaaaah the optimism of fans...seeing the unseen...Iím guilty of it too

GREATNESS ONE
09-27-2018, 11:43 AM
I mean, this is exactly why you dont give a coach so much power. Thib's is supposed to be 100% concentrating on training camp right now. God Taylor, you are such a ****ing idiot.

Lmfao this.

valade16
09-27-2018, 01:50 PM
If the Suns are interested in Teague than I'm even more optimistic Butler lands in Toronto. Thibs wants guys who bust their *** and get after it and apparently also wants to stay competitive. Lowry, I will miss you but it feels like your friendship with DeRozan might have sealed your fate brother.

Toronto with VanVleet, Butler and Kawhi would be awesome. Of all the trades (aside from Butler somehow magically ending up in Portland), this is the one I'd want to see most. I also think Toronto having both Butler and Kawhi would increase the chances both decide to stay.

IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 02:26 PM
Toronto with VanVleet, Butler and Kawhi would be awesome. Of all the trades (aside from Butler somehow magically ending up in Portland), this is the one I'd want to see most. I also think Toronto having both Butler and Kawhi would increase the chances both decide to stay.

Oh yeah I would love to see that too. NBA basketball is amazing. I am so excited for the season to start.

Jamiecballer
09-27-2018, 02:30 PM
I wouldn't trade Porter for Butler. Porter is borderline great and locked into more years and wants to be there. Washington's problem is their incredibly overrated backcourt.

+1

IndyRealist
09-27-2018, 02:30 PM
I agree that Wall is a problem as is Beal's contract, but I don't see them trading either of them. Butler is better than Porter now and maybe better than he'll ever become. They just don't have many avenues to improve other than trading Porter, although I would rather them trade Wall.

Butler is better, but the gap is not so huge you do that trade no matter what. If you could add Butler to Porter, regardless of what they trade to get him, they are better off than if they swapped the two.

Jamiecballer
09-27-2018, 02:34 PM
Toronto with VanVleet, Butler and Kawhi would be awesome. Of all the trades (aside from Butler somehow magically ending up in Portland), this is the one I'd want to see most. I also think Toronto having both Butler and Kawhi would increase the chances both decide to stay.

and honestly, why not? nobody appreciates how much Lowry has contributed where we are now than me, but if he's lost his heart for this organization and you can send him somewhere in return for Butler it needs to be considered. Moving DeRozan was incredibly ballsy, so you know the man isn't satisfied. And you are already in championship contention or bust so it seems like a pretty easy thing to justify. and VanVleet just has something about him. he's ready.

valade16
09-27-2018, 02:43 PM
and honestly, why not? nobody appreciates how much Lowry has contributed where we are now than me, but if he's lost his heart for this organization and you can send him somewhere in return for Butler it needs to be considered. Moving DeRozan was incredibly ballsy, so you know the man isn't satisfied. And you are already in championship contention or bust so it seems like a pretty easy thing to justify. and VanVleet just has something about him. he's ready.

Toronto is pretty screwed if Kawhi leaves as a FA next offseason anyway, might as well go all-in and get Butler too, since if the disastrous happens and they both decide to leave next off-season at least you've completely torn down for your rebuild.

I think it'd be a great move. Is this just your idea or have you heard any rumblings about Toronto offering Lowry? Considering the other trades I've seen Lowry would easily be the best "win now" piece they could get.

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 02:44 PM
Toronto hasnít been mentioned in anything lately or at all that I know of.

Jamiecballer
09-27-2018, 02:46 PM
ever feel like there are people in these forums making a living off our opinions?

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/9/25/17902152/raptors-trade-jimmy-butler

IndyRealist
09-27-2018, 02:51 PM
ever feel like there are people in these forums making a living off our opinions?

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/9/25/17902152/raptors-trade-jimmy-butler

My money is on Scoots.

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 03:02 PM
ever feel like there are people in these forums making a living off our opinions?

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/9/25/17902152/raptors-trade-jimmy-butler

If Durant is out on Twitter making fake accounts, journalists who need new ideas are definitely scouting various sources.

MJNetsIsles
09-27-2018, 03:03 PM
ever feel like there are people in these forums making a living off our opinions?

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/9/25/17902152/raptors-trade-jimmy-butler

Yes I have.

warfelg
09-27-2018, 03:22 PM
Apprerantly when the Sixers called, Thibs said the conversation starts with Simmons or Embiid, to which Brand just hung up.

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 03:38 PM
Apprerantly when the Sixers called, Thibs said the conversation starts with Simmons or Embiid, to which Brand just hung up.
I am convinced Thibs wants to frustrate the owner of the Wolves and get himself fired. That way he still gets paid and can walk away having his reputation still somewhat in-tact. Regardless, I think Thibs has been terrible so far in his Minny stint. His defensive culture hasn't amounted to anything and under his watch, this friction has become ugly. Minny fans are used to being a bad team (sorry, not sorry) but this is a new level of stupidity.

LeonFSU
09-27-2018, 03:38 PM
Butler is better, but the gap is not so huge you do that trade no matter what. If you could add Butler to Porter, regardless of what they trade to get him, they are better off than if they swapped the two.

I agree but the only other players on the Wizards I could see Minnesota taking back in a trade are Beal and Wall and I don't see the Wizards trading them.

IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 03:49 PM
I agree but the only other players on the Wizards I could see Minnesota taking back in a trade are Beal and Wall and I don't see the Wizards trading them.

If Iím the Wolves, Iím trying to do a Jimmy for Beal trade straight up.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 03:50 PM
I am convinced Thibs wants to frustrate the owner of the Wolves and get himself fired. That way he still gets paid and can walk away having his reputation still somewhat in-tact. Regardless, I think Thibs has been terrible so far in his Minny stint. His defensive culture hasn't amounted to anything and under his watch, this friction has become ugly. Minny fans are used to being a bad team (sorry, not sorry) but this is a new level of stupidity.

yeah it's a circus man. Embarrassing franchise up and down.

LeonFSU
09-27-2018, 03:52 PM
I am convinced Thibs wants to frustrate the owner of the Wolves and get himself fired. That way he still gets paid and can walk away having his reputation still somewhat in-tact. Regardless, I think Thibs has been terrible so far in his Minny stint. His defensive culture hasn't amounted to anything and under his watch, this friction has become ugly. Minny fans are used to being a bad team (sorry, not sorry) but this is a new level of stupidity.

https://clutchpoints.com/timberwolves-rumors-tom-thibodeau-might-be-looking-to-actually-get-fired/

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 03:52 PM
Apprerantly when the Sixers called, Thibs said the conversation starts with Simmons or Embiid, to which Brand just hung up.

if that is true, Thib's needs to be escorted out of the Wolves facility. I reached out to the Wolves earlier, told them I would happily coach in the meantime.

Htownballa1622
09-27-2018, 04:17 PM
"Rockets are in a good position and are still very much aggressive. Tibs may have to go first though."

This was said by an insider guy on a Rockets forum. Not saying it's likely he ends up in Htown, but kinda wild about the Thibs having to go first part.

mightybosstone
09-27-2018, 04:30 PM
"Rockets are in a good position and are still very much aggressive. Tibs may have to go first though."

This was said by an insider guy on a Rockets forum. Not saying it's likely he ends up in Htown, but kinda wild about the Thibs having to go first part.
#cyberx4theWin :hi5:

Yeah, I've been following the dude's posts all week. Sounds like Tucker is very much a part of Houston's proposed deal. If what's coming out of the media is true and few teams are willing to part with their quality assets, then a package of Gordon, Tucker and pick(s) might honestly be enough to get it done.

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 04:35 PM
Butler
Melo
CP3
Harden

Yikes. That's going to be the second best starting squad in the NBA. CP3+Jimmy B with All-NBA defense. I'm just afraid you guys are going to lose too much shooting with Gordon gone. He was very effective for you guys from what I've seen.

goingfor28
09-27-2018, 04:35 PM
I went to jail for 6mo and my mom recorded every single game for me to watch..What did you do?

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IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 04:40 PM
#cyberx4theWin :hi5:

Yeah, I've been following the dude's posts all week. Sounds like Tucker is very much a part of Houston's proposed deal. If what's coming out of the media is true and few teams are willing to part with their quality assets, then a package of Gordon, Tucker and pick(s) might honestly be enough to get it done.

I canít speak for what the Wolves would ultimately do, but I would not want that trash. Wolves need long athletic dynamic high IQ players or a certified stud at his position for Jimmy. We gave good pieces for him and if Iím the owner, Iím 100% with keeping him and home until the perfect trade comes. I know i donít want him infecting the locker room and itís time to give Town and Wiggins there wish and feed them. Eventually make the right trade to a desperate Washington team when they are on the outside looking in and bam. Beal fits nice IMO...considering our alternatives. And I thought WAS realized one of Beal or Wall has to go

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 04:42 PM
What did you do?

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he said kobe was better than lebron

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 04:42 PM
yeah I would rather we let Butler rot in his luxurious apartment than trade him for a bunch of crap

mightybosstone
09-27-2018, 04:42 PM
Butler
Melo
CP3
Harden

Yikes. That's going to be the second best starting squad in the NBA. CP3+Jimmy B with All-NBA defense. I'm just afraid you guys are going to lose too much shooting with Gordon gone. He was very effective for you guys from what I've seen.

I love Gordon. When he was signed two years ago, I had serious doubts about him and if he could stay healthy and still be effective. But he has more than outplayed his contract, stayed relatively healthy and been way more of a two-way player than I ever thought he'd be. That being said, the guy is no Jimmy Butler.

Butler would be like Ariza on steroids on both ends of the floor in this starting lineup. And he'd give the Rockets a third legitimate playmaker (not like they need it). In terms of Gordon's shooting, I agree it would be missed. But Melo and Butler would easily make up for that. It's kind of a well-documented fact that players take more threes and make more threes in Houston's offensive system. If Melo and Butler are taking 11-12 3-pointers a night and hitting 36-38 percent (which I think they would), then the Rockets would get over Gordon pretty easily.

Honestly, I think losing Tucker would be the bigger blow. Right now he's the Rockets' poor man's version of Draymond Green. He defends nearly every position at an elite level and gave the Rockets a truly dangerous lineup when he played a small ball 5 last season. If he's gone, they don't really have anyone to replace that.

mightybosstone
09-27-2018, 04:44 PM
I canít speak for what the Wolves would ultimately do, but I would not want that trash. Wolves need long athletic dynamic high IQ players or a certified stud at his position for Jimmy. We gave good pieces for him and if Iím the owner, Iím 100% with keeping him and home until the perfect trade comes. I know i donít want him infecting the locker room and itís time to give Town and Wiggins there wish and feed them. Eventually make the right trade to a desperate Washington team when they are on the outside looking in and bam. Beal fits nice IMO...considering our alternatives. And I thought WAS realized one of Beal or Wall has to go

You're completely delusional if you think the Wizards are going to deal Beal for a one-year rental of Butler. That's insane.

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 04:45 PM
I love Gordon. When he was signed two years ago, I had serious doubts about him and if he could stay healthy and still be effective. But he has more than outplayed his contract, stayed relatively healthy and been way more of a two-way player than I ever thought he'd be. That being said, the guy is no Jimmy Butler.

Butler would be like Ariza on steroids on both ends of the floor in this starting lineup. And he'd give the Rockets a third legitimate playmaker (not like they need it). In terms of Gordon's shooting, I agree it would be missed. But Melo and Butler would easily make up for that. It's kind of a well-documented fact that players take more threes and make more threes in Houston's offensive system. If Melo and Butler are taking 11-12 3-pointers a night and hitting 36-38 percent (which I think they would), then the Rockets would get over Gordon pretty easily.

Honestly, I think losing Tucker would be the bigger blow. Right now he's the Rockets' poor man's version of Draymond Green. He defends nearly every position at an elite level and gave the Rockets a truly dangerous lineup when he played a small ball 5 last season. If he's gone, they don't really have anyone to replace that.

Yeah but Butler has never been a shooter. He's a more opportunistic shooter in which he has to be wide open to take a shot. Gordon was a marksman, man. That type of threat isn't recreated just by having another player shoot more shots. While I agree that Butler is a significantly better player and I would make the trade, what made the Rockets great were their offensive output by shooting threes and I just think they'll be sacrificing more than I'd like to see from their perspective. Maybe they plan on getting some shots elsewhere or they want to switch things up but they are definitely, on paper, not as good of a team shooting wise.

Htownballa1622
09-27-2018, 04:47 PM
#cyberx4theWin :hi5:

Yeah, I've been following the dude's posts all week. Sounds like Tucker is very much a part of Houston's proposed deal. If what's coming out of the media is true and few teams are willing to part with their quality assets, then a package of Gordon, Tucker and pick(s) might honestly be enough to get it done.

4 sure. Between him and Cod :win:

I like hearing ch44 post too but he doesn't post too often. He's legit though.

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 04:48 PM
yeah I would rather we let Butler rot in his luxurious apartment than trade him for a bunch of crap

Andre Roberson and Paterson are not crap. You guys better accept that offer before we rescind.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 04:48 PM
Andre Roberson and Paterson are not crap. You guys better accept that offer before we rescind.

haha, I am not making the trade man!

mightybosstone
09-27-2018, 04:50 PM
yeah I would rather we let Butler rot in his luxurious apartment than trade him for a bunch of crap

I actually think the Wolves would be a damn scary team with the additions of Gordon and Tucker. Eric Gordon provides instant offense off the bench that the Wolves don't really have right now, not to mention a 3-point shooter who can stretch the floor out to 28-30 feet, something they're kind of sorely lacking. Plus, Tucker provides just an insane level of defensive versatility.

I'm not sure there's a deal to be made out there that makes the Wolves a better team next season than that one. Now, ultimately if the Wolves would rather get younger and build for the future, I agree that deal doesn't make a ton of sense.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 04:53 PM
I actually think the Wolves would be a damn scary team with the additions of Gordon and Tucker. Eric Gordon provides instant offense off the bench that the Wolves don't really have right now, not to mention a 3-point shooter who can stretch the floor out to 28-30 feet, something they're kind of sorely lacking. Plus, Tucker provides just an insane level of defensive versatility.

I'm not sure there's a deal to be made out there that makes the Wolves a better team next season than that one. Now, ultimately if the Wolves would rather get younger and build for the future, I agree that deal doesn't make a ton of sense.

agree to a point. I just hate Eric Gordon man. I would rather stay a bit younger to be honest.

SteBO
09-27-2018, 04:55 PM
agree to a point. I just hate Eric Gordon man. I would rather stay a bit younger to be honest.
Sadly your coach is essentially saying "**** you" with the authority Taylor gave him. Dude wants to win now.

SteBO
09-27-2018, 04:56 PM
#cyberx4theWin :hi5:

Yeah, I've been following the dude's posts all week. Sounds like Tucker is very much a part of Houston's proposed deal. If what's coming out of the media is true and few teams are willing to part with their quality assets, then a package of Gordon, Tucker and pick(s) might honestly be enough to get it done.
You sure you want that? Where is your shooting gonna come from?

Htownballa1622
09-27-2018, 05:07 PM
You sure you want that? Where is your shooting gonna come from?

cp3
Harden
Green
Ennis
Knight
Melo

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 05:10 PM
agree to a point. I just hate Eric Gordon man. I would rather stay a bit younger to be honest.

Could've had Lauri Marki playing PF alongside Towns... Damn it. I feel for you guys.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 05:13 PM
Could've had Lauri Marki playing PF alongside Towns... Damn it. I feel for you guys.

I think I would shut down PSD with the length of post I could write regarding mistakes the Wolves have made.

All this Jimmy talk has me thinking of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apa0nG1OfUc

Stunner
09-27-2018, 05:14 PM
Could've had Lauri Marki playing PF alongside Towns... Damn it. I feel for you guys.

A man


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SteBO
09-27-2018, 05:16 PM
cp3
Harden
Green
Ennis
Knight
Melo
I meant the shooting around CP3/Harden. Good luck with getting consistency from 'Melo on that front, and Ennis/Knight have been below average outside shooters to this point. Gerald Green is streaky.

mightybosstone
09-27-2018, 05:17 PM
agree to a point. I just hate Eric Gordon man. I would rather stay a bit younger to be honest.

Really? Of all the frustrating players in the league, Gordon is kind of a weird guy to hate. Why do you hate him?

Htownballa1622
09-27-2018, 05:25 PM
I meant the shooting around CP3/Harden. Good luck with getting consistency from 'Melo on that front, and Ennis/Knight have been below average outside shooters to this point. Gerald Green is streaky.

Take away the 2 best shooters off of any team and then tell me how that teams' shooting is...

IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 05:25 PM
Could've had Lauri Marki playing PF alongside Towns... Damn it. I feel for you guys.

Thatís why the Wolves need to just Shelve Jimmy and be patient. Wait as long as it takes.

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 05:29 PM
Thatís why the Wolves need to just Shelve Jimmy and be patient. Wait as long as it takes.

I agree. If the offers don't make sense, I would just sit back and trade him at the mid-deadline. If Jimmy B. doesn't want to play, he'll hurt himself because he's a free agent next season so he better hope he performs just enough to get a max.

SteBO
09-27-2018, 05:33 PM
Take away the 2 best shooters off of any team and then tell me how that teams' shooting is...
You unintentionally made my point. I'm comparing it to the Warriors which is admittedly unfair, but my point still stands that around the two guys you have to collapse opposing defenses, I don't think the shooting would be where it should be if you went through with that trade. But alas.....you aren't wrong in your premise.

Htownballa1622
09-27-2018, 05:40 PM
You unintentionally made my point. I'm comparing it to the Warriors which is admittedly unfair, but my point still stands that around the two guys you have to collapse opposing defenses, I don't think the shooting would be where it should be if you went through with that trade. But alas.....you aren't wrong in your premise.

I agree the Rockets shooting isn't equal to Warriors but Jimmy would upgrade the defense and ultimately you don't need to match Warriors shooting. You have to have timely shooting. Rockets were up 14 in game 7 but had that unfortunate streak of shooting 3s in second half.

Now imagine Butler getting a stop and Harden breaking down defense to kick out to a wide open Butler or Melo. Hopeful for different results this year and timely shooting to go with a healthy cp3.

FlashBolt
09-27-2018, 05:45 PM
I agree the Rockets shooting isn't equal to Warriors but Jimmy would upgrade the defense and ultimately you don't need to match Warriors shooting. You have to have timely shooting. Rockets were up 14 in game 7 but had that unfortunate streak of shooting 3s in second half.

Now imagine Butler getting a stop and Harden breaking down defense to kick out to a wide open Butler or Melo. Hopeful for different results this year and timely shooting to go with a healthy cp3.

I think his point is that since your formula was working until that really terrible streak of missed threes, it would be stupid to risk losing that even though Butler is a significantly better player. While you guys don't need the three to be great, it's what makes you different and better than most teams. Houston needs the three point line more than any other team I would say.

valade16
09-27-2018, 05:53 PM
Really? Of all the frustrating players in the league, Gordon is kind of a weird guy to hate. Why do you hate him?

I don't hate Eric Gordon, but if he was the best player or piece my team got back while trading away Jimmy Butler, I'd instantly hate him.

valade16
09-27-2018, 05:56 PM
I agree the Rockets shooting isn't equal to Warriors but Jimmy would upgrade the defense and ultimately you don't need to match Warriors shooting. You have to have timely shooting. Rockets were up 14 in game 7 but had that unfortunate streak of shooting 3s in second half.

Now imagine Butler getting a stop and Harden breaking down defense to kick out to a wide open Butler or Melo. Hopeful for different results this year and timely shooting to go with a healthy cp3.

Besides Houston's 3-point shooting strategy hasn't really been about being very great at taking them, it's been about taking a ton of them.

They were 13th in the league last year at 36% but they took 42 3's a game, 7 more than the next closest team. The year before they were 15th in % (35.7%) and 1st in attempts (40 per game).

Htownballa1622
09-27-2018, 05:59 PM
I think his point is that since your formula was working until that really terrible streak of missed threes, it would be stupid to risk losing that even though Butler is a significantly better player. While you guys don't need the three to be great, it's what makes you different and better than most teams. Houston needs the three point line more than any other team I would say.

Maybe so but we could use the high end talent. We were down to about 7 playable guys last year. Jimmy fills a huge role if we were to get him.


I don't hate Eric Gordon, but if he was the best player or piece my team got back while trading away Jimmy Butler, I'd instantly hate him.
Oh for sure but they should really hate Jimmy or Thibs for botching this whole situation. They could do a lot worse than Gordon.

Besides Houston's 3-point shooting strategy hasn't really been about being very great at taking them, it's been about taking a ton of them.

They were 13th in the league last year at 36% but they took 42 3's a game, 7 more than the next closest team. The year before they were 15th in % (35.7%) and 1st in attempts (40 per game).

Bingo was his name-o. Great points.

warfelg
09-27-2018, 06:11 PM
I think Thibs has officially lost his mind.

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 07:22 PM
Maybe he really is trying to get fired?

IndyRealist
09-27-2018, 07:22 PM
If Iím the Wolves, Iím trying to do a Jimmy for Beal trade straight up.

If I'm the Wizards, I'm trying to do a Jimmy for Beal trade straight up.

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 07:27 PM
If Iím Miami and Riley doesnít get Butler at this point I fire Riley straight up.

More-Than-Most
09-27-2018, 08:06 PM
I think Thibs has officially lost his mind.

he is trying to get fired and or be forced to keep butler... He is a genius honestly... Fire me and pay me or we keep him and lose him but both are best for his business... it sucks for the team and hurts the team but thibs only gives a **** about himself and his way of thinking.

More-Than-Most
09-27-2018, 08:07 PM
If Iím Miami and Riley doesnít get Butler at this point I fire Riley straight up.

this is dumb. You cant blame Riley when they are legit asking for ben simmons from the sixers so imagine what they are actually asking for from the heat. If the price drops and riley doesnt get it done fine but right now thibs is trying to be a hardcore selfish prick.

IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 08:21 PM
I don't hate Eric Gordon, but if he was the best player or piece my team got back while trading away Jimmy Butler, I'd instantly hate him.

Exactly

IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 08:23 PM
If Iím Miami and Riley doesnít get Butler at this point I fire Riley straight up.

😂

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 08:23 PM
this is dumb. You cant blame Riley when they are legit asking for ben simmons from the sixers so imagine what they are actually asking for from the heat. If the price drops and riley doesnt get it done fine but right now thibs is trying to be a hardcore selfish prick.

Never liked Thibs, heard false reports are starting to come up to try and improve Miamiís roster but theyíre not budging.

unleashthebeast
09-27-2018, 08:26 PM
If Iím Miami and Riley doesnít get Butler at this point I fire Riley straight up.

This is very stupid and I know that you know that, haha

GREATNESS ONE
09-27-2018, 08:35 PM
This is very stupid and I know that you know that, haha
He doesnít....

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 08:44 PM
This is very stupid and I know that you know that, haha

Imo heís washed, but hereís his chance to prove me wrong.

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 08:45 PM
He doesnít....

Brother do not slide in my DMs and then throw disrespect on my name on the general board. Iím not sure if my reply went to you or not but I think I replied.

GREATNESS ONE
09-27-2018, 09:13 PM
Brother do not slide in my DMs and then throw disrespect on my name on the general board. Iím not sure if my reply went to you or not but I think I replied.

Aaaahahaha I always slide it in with you baby cheeks

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 09:17 PM
Aaaahahaha I always slide it in with you baby cheeks

Boy donít do me like that, youíd get lost in that thang!

IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 09:36 PM
Imo heís washed, but hereís his chance to prove me wrong.
😂

Hawkeye15
09-27-2018, 09:36 PM
Thibs is going full Costanza a this point

IKnowHoops
09-27-2018, 09:37 PM
Boy donít do me like that, youíd get lost in that thang!

😂😂😂😂😂😂

GREATNESS ONE
09-27-2018, 09:40 PM
😂😂😂😂😂😂

Ah ahahaha he wants it! What a dirty bastard :)

specialiststeve
09-27-2018, 10:53 PM
Andre Roberson and Paterson are not crap. You guys better accept that offer before we rescind.

Respectfully they are regular rotational guys..... not happening....

ewing
09-27-2018, 11:19 PM
Thibs is going full Costanza a this point

why? b/c they didn't trade him the day he asked for a deal? the owner is making them look dumb IMO. The Wolves should absolutely be looking for the best deal and trying to reconcile things if they can. If they cant well there is plenty of time to deal him still. I don't understand why they should feel pressured to make a deal before camp.

WaDe03
09-27-2018, 11:27 PM
Rockets are making a strong push now, Miami can beat their offer, better not lose out on this one Riley.

Htownballa1622
09-28-2018, 12:14 AM
1045511835804454914

Berman is one of the most credible Houston reporters

ewing
09-28-2018, 12:50 AM
Rockets are making a strong push now, Miami can beat their offer, better not lose out on this one Riley.

But the stupid Wolves should have made it clear that they had no intention of bringing him back into the fold and taken an offer on day one

ewing
09-28-2018, 12:51 AM
1045511835804454914

Berman is one of the most credible Houston reporters

holy **** the Knicks have a Marc Berman too. He is a tool

mngopher35
09-28-2018, 01:13 AM
why? b/c they didn't trade him the day he asked for a deal? the owner is making them look dumb IMO. The Wolves should absolutely be looking for the best deal and trying to reconcile things if they can. If they cant well there is plenty of time to deal him still. I don't understand why they should feel pressured to make a deal before camp.

I posted this in wolves forum but I agree with you here. I am not a fan of thibs but if right now he is the one asking teams for too much while everyone else is trying to rush this as quick as possible then props to him. I can just imagine Taylor wanting every deal that comes in to get it over with lol.

We should feel far more pressure to get the best/as many assets as possible over any sort of rush/time limit (I mean at least until we get close to the season keep negotiating unless its actually a good deal).

MILLERHIGHLIFE
09-28-2018, 08:02 AM
So the solo trade rule for Knight is two teams only? Or can it be many teams as you want long as each team trades one player and receives one player? I was thinking injured Knight to Wolves. Dieng to Kings. Koufos to Rockets for first trade. Then Gordon and a first and either Tucker or Nene and another cheap piece. Butler to Rockets. Rockets also send a first to Kings for rumored possibility of Deyonta Davis getting waived.

Rockets give a first cause Kings eat some extra salary in Dieng. So this is the under the table pick going to them. Wolves probably want two first. Then later on Wolves can flip Teague to Suns for Bucks Bledsoe/Moose pick and expiring Chandler. Its not pretty at all. Wolves probably can do much better then Rockets package. Heat or whom ever else over pays.

mightybosstone
09-28-2018, 08:34 AM
So the solo trade rule for Knight is two teams only? Or can it be many teams as you want long as each team trades one player and receives one player? I was thinking injured Knight to Wolves. Dieng to Kings. Koufos to Rockets for first trade. Then Gordon and a first and either Tucker or Nene and another cheap piece. Butler to Rockets. Rockets also send a first to Kings for rumored possibility of Deyonta Davis getting waived.

Rockets give a first cause Kings eat some extra salary in Dieng. So this is the under the table pick going to them. Wolves probably want two first. Then later on Wolves can flip Teague to Suns for Bucks Bledsoe/Moose pick and expiring Chandler. Its not pretty at all. Wolves probably can do much better then Rockets package. Heat or whom ever else over pays.

What if Riley is unwilling to deal Richardson? Then, if I'm Minnesota, what else do I even want on that team? I've already got Teague, so Dragic is really not a huge upgrade at PG. Eric Gordon is a far better asset than Waiters or Tyler Johnson, James Johnson is an excellent defensive asset but drastically overpaid and I have no need for Whiteside, because we just gave our star center an obscene amount of money.

They could build a package around Bam, Winslow and filler, but that certainly doesn't help them win now. And Winslow isn't exactly an exciting prospect. I'd almost rather have a first from the Rockets over Winslow, especially if Morey can protect it so I'm guaranteed a top 20 pick down the line. I just think this amazing package Miami can offer the Wolves is a little overblown, especially if Richardson isn't involved.

Hawkeye15
09-28-2018, 09:11 AM
why? b/c they didn't trade him the day he asked for a deal? the owner is making them look dumb IMO. The Wolves should absolutely be looking for the best deal and trying to reconcile things if they can. If they cant well there is plenty of time to deal him still. I don't understand why they should feel pressured to make a deal before camp.

Because if you believe the reports, Thib's is asking for the moon. He keeps trying to find a way to keep Butler, when Butler has made it very clear he isn't interested. Because Thib's and Taylor are clearly not on the same page.

Thib's is acting like a child over this. You can only try and convince your gf not to break up with you so long before you need to move on.

I am not saying don't make the RIGHT deal, and take your time. But don't ask for Ben ****ing Simmons and expect to be respected.

Hawkeye15
09-28-2018, 09:12 AM
I posted this in wolves forum but I agree with you here. I am not a fan of thibs but if right now he is the one asking teams for too much while everyone else is trying to rush this as quick as possible then props to him. I can just imagine Taylor wanting every deal that comes in to get it over with lol.

We should feel far more pressure to get the best/as many assets as possible over any sort of rush/time limit (I mean at least until we get close to the season keep negotiating unless its actually a good deal).

I agree you take your time if necessary, but you also can't go around offending teams haha

MILLERHIGHLIFE
09-28-2018, 09:25 AM
https://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/09/nba_trade_rumors_what_did_timberwolves_ask_sixers. html

It seems 76ers called about Butler. Wolves asked for Simmons right away.

Driven
09-28-2018, 09:29 AM
I think the whole Ben Simmons thing is overblown. It sounds to me like the guy is paraphrasing and exaggerating things. I don't think they asked for Simmons.

What the guy is saying is that they are asking for way too much though.

He said the counter offer was "like" we need Ben Simmons

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 09:40 AM
Donít **** this up Riley, this is your best chance to get a star

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 09:42 AM
Miami can easily top the Rockets offer, letís see how much Riley wants him. We know Spo is pushing hard for it.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
09-28-2018, 09:58 AM
Wolves may demand for BAM. I wouldn't part with BAM. But he's the best asset beyond Richardson and Dragic. Whiteside may have to be pitched to a third team. Not sure if Wolves would want him or not. Kings said they'd eat Dieng for a first round pick.

IndyRealist
09-28-2018, 10:11 AM
Does this make everyone happy?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yavs4rrc
or this
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycs4egna

IKnowHoops
09-28-2018, 10:36 AM
Does this make everyone happy?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yavs4rrc
or this
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycs4egna

That really made me sad actually. If Iím the Wolves Iím crossing Miami and the Rockets off my list.

Iím not trading Jimmy for a bunch of pieces that arenít close to as good. For instance, if Houston wants Jimmy, if Iím the owner, Iíd give you him straight up for Clint Capella.

AllBall
09-28-2018, 11:00 AM
Umm, so any reports yet of Thibs calling the Warriors and asking for Steph, KD, Klay and picks for a 1 year Butler rental? :laugh2:

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 06:53 PM
Rumor is From the Miami media that the Heat gave their final offer yesterday morning and told the Wolves to sort it out and get back to them.

FlashBolt
09-28-2018, 07:10 PM
Rumor is From the Miami media that the Heat gave their final offer yesterday morning and told the Wolves to sort it out and get back to them.

They wanted Ben Simmons. I'm not sure they are close to making any deal.

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 07:22 PM
They wanted Ben Simmons. I'm not sure they are close to making any deal.

Thibs did, Glen taylor is stepping in now and wants something done fast. Their first preseason game is tomorrow and he wants guys getting work before the season starts so they have chemistry to try and make the playoffs (a big reason I donít think heís traded West).

mightybosstone
09-28-2018, 07:34 PM
That really made me sad actually. If Iím the Wolves Iím crossing Miami and the Rockets off my list.

Iím not trading Jimmy for a bunch of pieces that arenít close to as good. For instance, if Houston wants Jimmy, if Iím the owner, Iíd give you him straight up for Clint Capella.

:facepalm:

The Rockets just locked Clint into a team-friendly 5-year deal. They have one of the better centers in the league locked in for five years at age 24. Butler has one season left on his contract. You realize that these two things are not remotely equal, right? You can't possibly be dense enough to think the Rockets would make that trade.

Saddletramp
09-28-2018, 07:44 PM
:facepalm:

The Rockets just locked Clint into a team-friendly 5-year deal. They have one of the better centers in the league locked in for five years at age 24. Butler has one season left on his contract. You realize that these two things are not remotely equal, right? You can't possibly be dense enough to think the Rockets would make that trade.

Have you been ignoring 80% of IKHís previous posts?

Cal827
09-28-2018, 08:11 PM
:facepalm:

The Rockets just locked Clint into a team-friendly 5-year deal. They have one of the better centers in the league locked in for five years at age 24. Butler has one season left on his contract. You realize that these two things are not remotely equal, right? You can't possibly be dense enough to think the Rockets would make that trade.

To be fair, there's absolutely nothing else that would even be remotely worth it on Houston's team other than Capela. I'm sorry, I know that he's a spark off the bench, but Eric Gordon being a focal point in a Butler deal (at this point in his career, and to this T'wolves team) is absolutely laughable. Unless they're tacking on a bunch of unprotected picks too in the future (when the others are gone).

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you; Houston would be idiots to trade Capela away for a rental, which would re-open a huge weakness (especially if Cousins is able to come back at 60% of what he once was).

Cal827
09-28-2018, 08:13 PM
Also, Butler for Simmons or Embiid :laugh2: .... Isn't this what the Spurs initially asked for Kawhi? Man, starts to make you think that the GMs out there don't think anyone else on that team has legitimate value.

Though, this could be Thibs being a moron.. Why hasn't Taylor fired him yet? :laugh2:

More-Than-Most
09-28-2018, 08:35 PM
Also, Butler for Simmons or Embiid :laugh2: .... Isn't this what the Spurs initially asked for Kawhi? Man, starts to make you think that the GMs out there don't think anyone else on that team has legitimate value.

Though, this could be Thibs being a moron.. Why hasn't Taylor fired him yet? :laugh2:

Its Thibs being a calculated prick really... The spurs were right to ask for that and it wouldnt be outlandish if KL would sign long term because he is a top 3 player when healthy, Butler i wouldnt trade embiid or simmons straight up because Embiid is already better and Simmons will be better as soon as this year.

mightybosstone
09-28-2018, 08:45 PM
To be fair, there's absolutely nothing else that would even be remotely worth it on Houston's team other than Capela. I'm sorry, I know that he's a spark off the bench, but Eric Gordon being a focal point in a Butler deal (at this point in his career, and to this T'wolves team) is absolutely laughable. Unless they're tacking on a bunch of unprotected picks too in the future (when the others are gone).

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you; Houston would be idiots to trade Capela away for a rental, which would re-open a huge weakness (especially if Cousins is able to come back at 60% of what he once was).

And yet Houston continues to be named among the serious contenders for Butler over the last few days. :shrug:

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 09:01 PM
And yet Houston continues to be named among the serious contenders for Butler over the last few days. :shrug:

Heat must really be lowballing

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 09:02 PM
Glad taylor stepped in, Thibs doesnít want to help Miami at all after the Big 3 *** kickings

Cal827
09-28-2018, 09:21 PM
And yet Houston continues to be named among the serious contenders for Butler over the last few days. :shrug:

:laugh2: Boss, am I missing anything on Gordon? I mean, I didn't see him as extensively as you did, but from the bit I gathered, he was a very streaky shooter with pretty average shooting splits (he hit more 3s this year, but was more frequent at shooting them, and shot a little bit lower than his career average from there). If he was on his game, he was absolutely terrifying, but he also could shoot you out of games (I remember when Toronto was in Houston last year, and I think he went like 0-8 or something from three, but just kept tossing them up). I also thought he could've really been better on the defensive end.

Is there anyone else on your team that available and is a good defender that Minnesota might also want that I'm not seeing?

Side note; man I remember when this guy was a rising star, and we were talking about him an Griffin forming a dynamic duo in LA (before the Paul trade). That trade (and the injury bug) ruined his star potential.

IKnowHoops
09-28-2018, 09:24 PM
:facepalm:

The Rockets just locked Clint into a team-friendly 5-year deal. They have one of the better centers in the league locked in for five years at age 24. Butler has one season left on his contract. You realize that these two things are not remotely equal, right? You can't possibly be dense enough to think the Rockets would make that trade.

Assuming he commits to you for multiple seasons

specialiststeve
09-28-2018, 10:00 PM
To be fair, there's absolutely nothing else that would even be remotely worth it on Houston's team other than Capela. I'm sorry, I know that he's a spark off the bench, but Eric Gordon being a focal point in a Butler deal (at this point in his career, and to this T'wolves team) is absolutely laughable. Unless they're tacking on a bunch of unprotected picks too in the future (when the others are gone).

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you; Houston would be idiots to trade Capela away for a rental, which would re-open a huge weakness (especially if Cousins is able to come back at 60% of what he once was).

Bingo... if Houston is serious about getting Butler Capela likely would have to be part. Otherwise rotation guys that really are nice but not top end now or in future would make little sense. It is pretty clear Tib's is willing to wait this one out which he should. Getting junk and losing or playing without Butler and losing is of little consequense. Getting value out of his second best asset for this year and hopefully for the future is VERY important.. I know many in our Wolves forum and her are torching him but moving him for the sake of moving him so the drama is over would clearly be very stupid.

There will be an injury or a team that figure they need Butler and will be willing to give up a quality asset. Guessing that is what will happen... Tib's is old school and likely doesn't give a rip about what "social network" says... looking to win. I'm good with that.

IKnowHoops
09-28-2018, 10:16 PM
No reason to let anyone fleece. Butler wants to bang teammates girls, he canít sit at home. Iíll wait till equal value comes along from a team he will sign long term with.

Heís better than both Beal and Capela so if I was in charge, thatís my floor, thatís me trading him quickly to get the problem over and done with. I will not be fleeced. Iíll wait till the trade deadline if need be no problem. I home the Wolves create a bidding war because Jimmy is good enough to change the nba landscape and I can def see some teams bidding hard for him in crunch time if not long before that.

Not taking back change for my my 20. Iím waiting for another 20 back.

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 10:19 PM
Riley you do nit want to make an enemy of me, Iíll ruin your career. Get it done.

FlashBolt
09-28-2018, 10:30 PM
Riley you do nit want to make an enemy of me, Iíll ruin your career. Get it done.

That's not very nice of you to talk to Steph's daughter like that.

IKnowHoops
09-28-2018, 10:34 PM
Riley you do nit want to make an enemy of me, Iíll ruin your career. Get it done.

I donít want that Trash. I wouldnít deal with Miami. They have absolutely nothing that is going make up anywhere near the difference of losing Jimmy.

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 11:15 PM
I donít want that Trash. I wouldnít deal with Miami. They have absolutely nothing that is going make up anywhere near the difference of losing Jimmy.

They have better assets than anyone else youíre dealing with, Rileyís just being stubborn. Itíll be ok though friend, itís onky 1 of your 4 or so teams!

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 11:15 PM
That's not very nice of you to talk to Steph's daughter like that.

She better watch herself.

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 11:16 PM
Iím being told Riley may lose out to Houston simply because he doesnít want to move Richardson. If thatís legit the reason why Iím ****ing done with that old *** man. This is literally your only chance to get a star, donít hold back. Winslow can fill in for JRich.

mightybosstone
09-28-2018, 11:28 PM
:laugh2: Boss, am I missing anything on Gordon? I mean, I didn't see him as extensively as you did, but from the bit I gathered, he was a very streaky shooter with pretty average shooting splits (he hit more 3s this year, but was more frequent at shooting them, and shot a little bit lower than his career average from there). If he was on his game, he was absolutely terrifying, but he also could shoot you out of games (I remember when Toronto was in Houston last year, and I think he went like 0-8 or something from three, but just kept tossing them up). I also thought he could've really been better on the defensive end.

Is there anyone else on your team that available and is a good defender that Minnesota might also want that I'm not seeing?

Side note; man I remember when this guy was a rising star, and we were talking about him an Griffin forming a dynamic duo in LA (before the Paul trade). That trade (and the injury bug) ruined his star potential.

You're not missing anything on Gordon. You're overvaluing what teams are willing to spend for a year of Butler right now. Ask me this: What player is there to be had who is likely to be better than Eric Gordon next season?

Probably not many. He's hardly a star player, but he's probably a top 50 player in the league, he's a legitimate scorer who's probably better than any other player on the Wolves aside from KAT, and he's got two years remaining on a very team-friendly deal.

You're also missing the fact that I'm not making this **** up. Rumors about Gordon being the key piece of a Butler deal and the Rockets being among the serious contenders have made the rounds pretty consistently over the last 2-3 days.

mightybosstone
09-28-2018, 11:35 PM
And for the record, I don't think the Wolves dealing Butler for Gordon, picks, scraps and cap space is a good deal for them. It's not. It's terrible. But history has proven you get pennies on the dollar when dealing disgruntled superstars in the NBA, especially when they only have one year left on their contracts.

Minnesota is screwed either way. Either they keep him, he is a huge distraction all season long and he leaves next summer anyway, or you trade him for the best poo poo platter being offered while you still can. At least with the latter, they don't end up with nothing.

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 11:37 PM
You're not missing anything on Gordon. You're overvaluing what teams are willing to spend for a year of Butler right now. Ask me this: What player is there to be had who is likely to be better than Eric Gordon next season?

Probably not many. He's hardly a star player, but he's probably a top 50 player in the league, he's a legitimate scorer who's probably better than any other player on the Wolves aside from KAT, and he's got two years remaining on a very team-friendly deal.

You're also missing the fact that I'm not making this **** up. Rumors about Gordon being the key piece of a Butler deal and the Rockets being among the serious contenders have made the rounds pretty consistently over the last 2-3 days.

Jrich to me makes a lot more sense, better 2 way player, younger and can grow with Towns and Wiggins, sends butler East to help the Wolves, signed to a great 4 year contract, etc.

Riley needs to stop being stubborn and just offer him, if Richardson was on the table the deal would be done. Isnít this like the perfect opportunity to get a top 10 player? Trade a very solid 2 way role player for a top 10 player seems like a no brainer and perfect opportunity for the Heat. Then they can focus on shredding salary to add someone next summer alongside him since he says he wants to go to Miami.

Just makes way too much sense to me which is why Iím officially done with Riley if it doesnít get done.

Wouldnít even be mad about Houston getting him at all and I would watch the **** out of yíall as heís my 3rd and CP3 is my 4th favorite players in the league I would just be mad about Riley valuing a role player over a top 10 player when it goes against everything heís done in the past.

God bless!

Cal827
09-28-2018, 11:40 PM
You're not missing anything on Gordon. You're overvaluing what teams are willing to spend for a year of Butler right now. Ask me this: What player is there to be had who is likely to be better than Eric Gordon next season?

Probably not many. He's hardly a star player, but he's probably a top 50 player in the league, he's a legitimate scorer who's probably better than any other player on the Wolves aside from KAT, and he's got two years remaining on a very team-friendly deal.

You're also missing the fact that I'm not making this **** up. Rumors about Gordon being the key piece of a Butler deal and the Rockets being among the serious contenders have made the rounds pretty consistently over the last 2-3 days.

:laugh2: I know that you're not making this up. I'm just really baffled, I would think they'd want defense around KAT/Wiggins since both of them are subpar. But you're probably right; teams are probably offering next to nothing for Butler, and I'm just surprised that a team that's in a relatively compromising/desperate position (E.g. Toronto, Miami, Clippers) haven't upped their offer to try to pry him away, knowing the turmoil in Minnesota could get the Owner to accept a bad offer over Thibs head, just to get it over with. But then again, if Minnesota was going for Simmons in Philly, and settle on Gordon instead... :laugh2:

FlashBolt
09-28-2018, 11:42 PM
Iím being told Riley may lose out to Houston simply because he doesnít want to move Richardson. If thatís legit the reason why Iím ****ing done with that old *** man. This is literally your only chance to get a star, donít hold back. Winslow can fill in for JRich.

Pat Riley hasn't been good at his job for years, my dude. He's lucky LeBron is great friends with Wade and that Miami is a top five city to enjoy or else LeBron would have never gone to Miami.

WaDe03
09-28-2018, 11:46 PM
Pat Riley hasn't been good at his job for years, my dude. He's lucky LeBron is great friends with Wade and that Miami is a top five city to enjoy or else LeBron would have never gone to Miami.

Exactly, if Jimmy ends up in Miami which Iím hearing he only will if Riley gives up JRich then Iím starting a thread on the true GM of the Heat. Riley played his card and it hasnít worked yet, time to cave in and give JRich. JRich ceiling is lower than current Jimmy for sure. You build players like JRich up exactly to make these kinds of deals for your team.

Thatís why I still think Miami gets him regardless of what Iím being told because surely Riley isnít this dense. Better young guys/better picks/solid vets on Miami is better than the competition. Heat could make multiple deals to trump a Gordon deal.

God bless you Flashbolt and please keep me in your thoughts and prayers!!!

Cal827
09-28-2018, 11:47 PM
Bingo... if Houston is serious about getting Butler Capela likely would have to be part. Otherwise rotation guys that really are nice but not top end now or in future would make little sense. It is pretty clear Tib's is willing to wait this one out which he should. Getting junk and losing or playing without Butler and losing is of little consequense. Getting value out of his second best asset for this year and hopefully for the future is VERY important.. I know many in our Wolves forum and her are torching him but moving him for the sake of moving him so the drama is over would clearly be very stupid.

There will be an injury or a team that figure they need Butler and will be willing to give up a quality asset. Guessing that is what will happen... Thib's is old school and likely doesn't give a rip about what "social network" says... looking to win. I'm good with that.

I guess we'll see what happens. It would help if they could somehow stir the pots in rumors and basically get teams to get desperate to bid against themselves. For example, maybe Toronto gets baited by a Miami rumor, and knowing what happens if things dont work this season, offers Kyle Lowry, Miles,, OG or Siakam (Please God No), and/or future protected first.

The big variable is if the Owner just decides to take complete control of the situation (which would be worrisome if he just wants this predicament dealt with ASAP), I guess why the Gordon Rumors keep going.

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 12:08 AM
Dragic has been offered, thatís the best player theyíll get. Theyíd be smart to take it and move Teague to the Suns or have Dragic at the 2 in a score first role.

AllBall
09-29-2018, 12:08 AM
Riley needs to stop being stubborn and just offer him, if Richardson was on the table the deal would be done.

I'm pretty sure that was already offered. Thibs is just trolling the NBA. He doesn't actually want to make a trade. This circus will end when Thibs is fired....which may be the way to keep Butler. He's tired of being worn down by Thibs.

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 12:11 AM
I'm pretty sure that was already offered. Thibs is just trolling the NBA. He doesn't actually want to make a trade. This circus will end when Thibs is fired....which may be the way to keep Butler. He's tired of being worn down by Thibs.

Richardson hasnít been offered yet, heís the sticking point right now. Maybe they get it done without him but it doesnít look likely and Iím hearing they wonít richardson bad.

FlashBolt
09-29-2018, 12:29 AM
I'm pretty sure that was already offered. Thibs is just trolling the NBA. He doesn't actually want to make a trade. This circus will end when Thibs is fired....which may be the way to keep Butler. He's tired of being worn down by Thibs.

Well, now with the Wiggins drama, there is zero chance Wiggins and Butler can get back to being on speaking terms.

EthanHarris
09-29-2018, 06:29 AM
I think the following will try to get him:

Miami
Toronto
Lakers
Clippers maybe
Sixers
Knicks

I think you can add the rockets to the list

MILLERHIGHLIFE
09-29-2018, 08:34 AM
Heat are trying to trade Waiters in the Butler deal or a side deal.

IKnowHoops
09-29-2018, 09:39 AM
They have better assets than anyone else youíre dealing with, Rileyís just being stubborn. Itíll be ok though friend, itís onky 1 of your 4 or so teams!

Pot meet Kettle

FlashBolt
09-29-2018, 09:42 AM
Heat are trying to trade Waiters in the Butler deal or a side deal.

Lmao, why would anyone want Waiters? Did anyone see a picture of this dude showing up to camp looking like the black Peter Griffin? He definitely was not working on his "game."

Jamiecballer
09-29-2018, 10:18 AM
Imagine a guy like Josh Richardson being the sticking point in a deal for Jimmy Butler. Hilarious.

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WaDe03
09-29-2018, 10:22 AM
Imagine a guy like Josh Richardson being the sticking point in a deal for Jimmy Butler. Hilarious.

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It is what it is friend, hes a very good/young 2-way player on a great contract locked up until heís 29.

Riley needs to get his head out of his *** and move him for butler though.

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 11:04 AM
Another thing frustrating me about them not wanting to trade JRich is that they have someone who they could develop into JRich in Derrick Jones Jr if they let him go. They said he looked great at the scrimmage this morning and he was the best player on the summer league team before getting injured.

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 11:10 AM
https://youtu.be/_E7_GrjEiEc

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 11:12 AM
https://youtu.be/WHP7B3FCO54

Some JRich highlights for those who arenít familiar. Very good 2 way player set to make 9-10M next year and for the next 4 years. I can see why they want him so bad and as much as I love him if heís the sticking point you have to pull the trigger.

IKnowHoops
09-29-2018, 11:20 AM
https://youtu.be/WHP7B3FCO54

Some JRich highlights for those who arenít familiar. Very good 2 way player set to make 9-10M next year and for the next 4 years. I can see why they want him so bad and as much as I love him if heís the sticking point you have to pull the trigger.

He looks promising
I donít know much about him

Iíd rather wait for something better. No problem waiting till the trade deadline.

hugepatsfan
09-29-2018, 12:09 PM
The longer this thing draws out, the more I like Morey's chances. You give that man enough time, and he'll build you a trade offer just good enough to beat everyone else in the league. Still a long shot, but the possibility is slowly rising.

Not really. Harden trade wasnít some stroke of genius that took a long time - he just had a mix of what OKC wanted. CP3 trade was genius cap maneuvering to hold onto exceptions and bird rights but it wasnít a real trade where other teams could make offers because of the FA status.

You sound like Heat fans glorifying Riley that he can do anything he wants whenever he wants to land any player.

hugepatsfan
09-29-2018, 12:11 PM
Imagine a guy like Josh Richardson being the sticking point in a deal for Jimmy Butler. Hilarious.

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Doubt he would be if push came to shove. But obviously if youíre MIA youíd rather keep him so why rush to throw him in? Make someone else propose an offer that forced you to.

People follow live tweets if these negotiations and live in the moment too much. These arenít things that come together in minutes.

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 12:24 PM
He looks promising
I donít know much about him

Iíd rather wait for something better. No problem waiting till the trade deadline.

Thatís the thing, he loses value as the season goes on. Whoís going to give up a lot at the deadline for a possible few month rental?

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 12:25 PM
Not really. Harden trade wasnít some stroke of genius that took a long time - he just had a mix of what OKC wanted. CP3 trade was genius cap maneuvering to hold onto exceptions and bird rights but it wasnít a real trade where other teams could make offers because of the FA status.

You sound like Heat fans glorifying Riley that he can do anything he wants whenever he wants to land any player.

Exactly, the real GM is back now though and thatís the only reason our name is in it and why were his preferred destination. Weíll see what happens.

IKnowHoops
09-29-2018, 12:42 PM
Thatís the thing, he loses value as the season goes on. Whoís going to give up a lot at the deadline for a possible few month rental?

Someone who believes they can win with him.

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 12:45 PM
Someone who believes they can win with him.

Give me an example of a borderline contender who can trade one of their biggest pieces for Butler and then win the championship.

Chronz
09-29-2018, 01:52 PM
Jrich to me makes a lot more sense, better 2 way player, younger and can grow with Towns and Wiggins, sends butler East to help the Wolves, signed to a great 4 year contract, etc.

Riley needs to stop being stubborn and just offer him, if Richardson was on the table the deal would be done. Isnít this like the perfect opportunity to get a top 10 player? Trade a very solid 2 way role player for a top 10 player seems like a no brainer and perfect opportunity for the Heat. Then they can focus on shredding salary to add someone next summer alongside him since he says he wants to go to Miami.

Just makes way too much sense to me which is why Iím officially done with Riley if it doesnít get done.

Wouldnít even be mad about Houston getting him at all and I would watch the **** out of yíall as heís my 3rd and CP3 is my 4th favorite players in the league I would just be mad about Riley valuing a role player over a top 10 player when it goes against everything heís done in the past.

God bless!

Remember when Miami passed on peak Hakeem?

WaDe03
09-29-2018, 02:07 PM
Remember when Miami passed on peak Hakeem?

That was before my time but I have heard about it. Something like Seikaly and Rice or Steve Smith for Hakeem and they didnít want to do it?

AllBall
09-29-2018, 03:36 PM
That was before my time but I have heard about it.

Before my time as well, that was pre-Arison and Pre-Riley era.

IndyRealist
09-29-2018, 05:35 PM
Thatís the thing, he loses value as the season goes on. Whoís going to give up a lot at the deadline for a possible few month rental?

No one's trading for a rental. They're trading for the opportunity to convince him to stay.

Jamiecballer
09-29-2018, 10:01 PM
It is what it is friend, hes a very good/young 2-way player on a great contract locked up until heís 29.

Riley needs to get his head out of his *** and move him for butler though.That's the thing though. Hes not... yet. If he doesn't develop into someone that gives you something on the offensive end hes the kind of guy you will be looking to replace as you get closer to contention.

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specialiststeve
09-29-2018, 10:03 PM
No one's trading for a rental. They're trading for the opportunity to convince him to stay.

Bingo! There are a ton of teams that need a top 15 player.... Wolves are not "giving" him away. They will wait until a team steps up with quality asset(s) to get it done. Would be stupid not to. As the preseason goes on there will be owners/GM's that will say "what the hell"....

Stunner
09-29-2018, 10:29 PM
https://twitter.com/drewshiller/status/1046199651529945088?s=21

GREATNESS ONE
09-29-2018, 10:45 PM
https://twitter.com/drewshiller/status/1046199651529945088?s=21

Lmfao! Yea not even close

Ingram > Wiggins

Wade03 is trippin

IKnowHoops
09-30-2018, 12:19 AM
Give me an example of a borderline contender who can trade one of their biggest pieces for Butler and then win the championship.

Well, maybe not win it, but maybe improve while getting rid of baggage. A scenario where Washington gets off to a bad start and Beal and Wall are fueding...I can see jimmy agreeing to sign language my term if we are just sitting him m on the bench all year hurting ability to get a huge contract next season.

I donít know what is possible, but if m not trading him for crap I can just easily pickup in free agency. Rather let him walk and fall off the books and sign another guy in free agency. Patience is best for the wolves, not best for the 10-12 teams that may eventually be bidding against each other to get him from Minny.

JOSKOMANG4
09-30-2018, 01:04 PM
Trade ideas:

- Knicks offer Joakim Noah, Tim Hardaway Jr, and UNPROTECTED 2019 1st for G.Diung & J.Butler.

- Nets offer A.Crabbe, Rhondae Hollis-Jefferson, D.Carroll, and Nuggets lottery protected 1st for G.Diung and J.Bulter.

- Hawks offer F/C M.Plumlee, C D.Dedmon, G/F Bazemore, and Cavs top-10 protected 1st for G.Diung & J.Butler.

- Sixers offer D.Saric, R.Covington, J.bayless, and Miami 2021 1st for J.Butler.

- 4 team blockbuster:

Suns get P.Beverly & future 2nd rd pick
Suns Trade D.Bender

Clippers get E.Bledsoe
Clippers trade L.Williams, P.Beverly, and future 2nd

Wolves get F/C's T.Maker & D.Bender, SG L.Williams, bucks 2021 lottery protected 1st.
Wolves trade J.Butler

bucks get Jimmy Butler
Bucks trade Maker, Bledsoe, and 2021 lottery protected 1st

beasted86
09-30-2018, 02:24 PM
Trade ideas:

- Knicks offer Joakim Noah, Tim Hardaway Jr, and UNPROTECTED 2019 1st for G.Diung & J.Butler.

- Nets offer A.Crabbe, Rhondae Hollis-Jefferson, D.Carroll, and Nuggets lottery protected 1st for G.Diung and J.Bulter.

- Hawks offer F/C M.Plumlee, C D.Dedmon, G/F Bazemore, and Cavs top-10 protected 1st for G.Diung & J.Butler.

- Sixers offer D.Saric, R.Covington, J.bayless, and Miami 2021 1st for J.Butler.

- 4 team blockbuster:

Suns get P.Beverly & future 2nd rd pick
Suns Trade D.Bender

Clippers get E.Bledsoe
Clippers trade L.Williams, P.Beverly, and future 2nd

Wolves get F/C's T.Maker & D.Bender, SG L.Williams, bucks 2021 lottery protected 1st.
Wolves trade J.Butler

bucks get Jimmy Butler
Bucks trade Maker, Bledsoe, and 2021 lottery protected 1st

Knicks would do that deal, Minnesota would not.

Nets can sign 2 max contracts outright. No need to give up a RHJ while taking a horrible contract in Dieng.

Hawks are in for full ground up rebuild and will not trade for 29 yr old to pair with new 20 yr old PG. If Butler wants to sign he signs with cap space outright.

Minnesota says no to Philly.

Blockbuster: Clippers easily say no. Wolves say no.

More-Than-Most
09-30-2018, 02:40 PM
Trade ideas:

- Knicks offer Joakim Noah, Tim Hardaway Jr, and UNPROTECTED 2019 1st for G.Diung & J.Butler.

- Nets offer A.Crabbe, Rhondae Hollis-Jefferson, D.Carroll, and Nuggets lottery protected 1st for G.Diung and J.Bulter.

- Hawks offer F/C M.Plumlee, C D.Dedmon, G/F Bazemore, and Cavs top-10 protected 1st for G.Diung & J.Butler.

- Sixers offer D.Saric, R.Covington, J.bayless, and Miami 2021 1st for J.Butler.

- 4 team blockbuster:

Suns get P.Beverly & future 2nd rd pick
Suns Trade D.Bender

Clippers get E.Bledsoe
Clippers trade L.Williams, P.Beverly, and future 2nd

Wolves get F/C's T.Maker & D.Bender, SG L.Williams, bucks 2021 lottery protected 1st.
Wolves trade J.Butler

bucks get Jimmy Butler
Bucks trade Maker, Bledsoe, and 2021 lottery protected 1st

if we gave up all of that id throw up... one of cov or saric and the heat pick fine... not giving up cov and saric

beasted86
09-30-2018, 02:41 PM
Bingo! There are a ton of teams that need a top 15 player.... Wolves are not "giving" him away. They will wait until a team steps up with quality asset(s) to get it done. Would be stupid not to. As the preseason goes on there will be owners/GM's that will say "what the hell"....
I think it goes the opposite way. GMs will wait for Wolves to get desperate and to see how toxic the situation becomes, IE: Will Butler sit out and refuse to suit up?

If that happens Wolves will get straight garbage offers. For one, forget anybody taking back Dieng. And they either take a slightly above average straight swap: (Think: Eric Gordon, Middleton, Fournier) or something just like what Suns ended up with for Dragic who wanted out and also had a list of destinations: garbage expiring players and multiple protected 1st round picks.

Tg11
09-30-2018, 03:52 PM
I can see Butler going to the Knicks, Clippers, Heat or even Raptors believe it or not

WaDe03
09-30-2018, 04:06 PM
No one's trading for a rental. They're trading for the opportunity to convince him to stay.

His value is decreased at the deadline, thatís a very short time to try and convince someone.

WaDe03
09-30-2018, 04:07 PM
That's the thing though. Hes not... yet. If he doesn't develop into someone that gives you something on the offensive end hes the kind of guy you will be looking to replace as you get closer to contention.

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You just have not watched him.

WaDe03
09-30-2018, 04:08 PM
Lmfao! Yea not even close

Ingram > Wiggins

Wade03 is trippin

Yea because Ingram would dominate Klay right? Lmao!

Tg11
09-30-2018, 04:09 PM
Apparently Jimmy want to go to Miami but if he go to Miami then they can build around him

Chronz
09-30-2018, 04:10 PM
Yea because Ingram would dominate Klay right? Lmao!

Ingram would be too smart to try to attack klay that way

Tg11
09-30-2018, 04:12 PM
Apparently Kawhi if he stay in Toronto then Butler definitely go to Toronto to play with Kawhi if that happens

Jamiecballer
09-30-2018, 07:43 PM
You just have not watched him.You are right, but the numbers dont lie. Hes a solid to good 3 point shooter. I know hes a very good defender but he needs to be.

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IndyRealist
09-30-2018, 08:59 PM
His value is decreased at the deadline, thatís a very short time to try and convince someone.

His value only decreases if you think of him as a rental. The opportunity to show him your team and your organization remains the same, whether it's Oct-June or Feb-June. The only people who would offer less at the deadline than now don't have a shot at keeping him regardless.

Htownballa1622
09-30-2018, 10:20 PM
Jimmy is gonna be a Rocket and everyone here will be upset.

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 12:18 AM
Jimmy is gonna be a Rocket and everyone here will be upset.

Iíll be upset with Riley, not that heís on Houston. CP3 is my 4th favorite player, Jimmy is my 3rd and I would love to see both get rings.

Doesnít matter though because Jimmy will be a Heat.

GREATNESS ONE
10-01-2018, 12:26 AM
Yea because Ingram would dominate Klay right? Lmao!

:sleep:

GREATNESS ONE
10-01-2018, 12:27 AM
He goes toe to toe with KD in their matchups... but keep :sleep:

Itís ok, you know Basketball (when you watch) but you know little to nothing of Lakers basketball and thereís nothing wrong with that.

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 09:33 AM
He goes toe to toe with KD in their matchups... but keep :sleep:

Itís ok, you know Basketball (when you watch) but you know little to nothing of Lakers basketball and thereís nothing wrong with that.

Heís not **** compared to KD.

Htownballa1622
10-01-2018, 10:06 AM
Iíll be upset with Riley, not that heís on Houston. CP3 is my 4th favorite player, Jimmy is my 3rd and I would love to see both get rings.

Doesnít matter though because Jimmy will be a Heat.

Aside from weather, I don't see the appeal of going to Miami. HEAT have all those inflated contracts to deal with. They should have to eat those rather than an incompetent franchise like wolves bailing them out for a poo poo platter.

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 10:24 AM
Aside from weather, I don't see the appeal of going to Miami. HEAT have all those inflated contracts to deal with. They should have to eat those rather than an incompetent franchise like wolves bailing them out for a poo poo platter.

I guess Wade sold him on the idea of passing the team along to him after he retires. Riley did screw up with all those garbage contracts, I have no idea why he thought those would be a good idea.

Hawkeye15
10-01-2018, 10:29 AM
Aside from weather, I don't see the appeal of going to Miami. HEAT have all those inflated contracts to deal with. They should have to eat those rather than an incompetent franchise like wolves bailing them out for a poo poo platter.

Miami is a ****hole. I think so anyways. But, I lived in Houston (Galveston for 5 years too) for 14 years, and I would never, and I mean never, go back. Unless I was offered a job making well north of 400k and just couldn't pass it up. That being said, my dislike comes from personal reasons, as a city Houston is awesome to live in if you can deal with horrible heat in the summer. I guess you could just live somewhere else when it's offseason though...

FlashBolt
10-01-2018, 12:33 PM
Aside from weather, I don't see the appeal of going to Miami. HEAT have all those inflated contracts to deal with. They should have to eat those rather than an incompetent franchise like wolves bailing them out for a poo poo platter.

Miami's culture is just very easygoing. If you're rich, there's not many better places than Miami. I'm not rich at all but had a very fun time just relaxing. Can't imagine being rich and having every single luxury available to you and not enjoying yourself. Maybe it can get boring but I can certainly get used to it.

valade16
10-01-2018, 12:39 PM
Jimmy is gonna be a Rocket and everyone here will be upset.

That would be awesome.

A CP3/Harden/Butler/Melo/Capella team vs a Curry/Klay/Dray/KD team? Sign me up.

Rivera
10-01-2018, 12:51 PM
im just playing on the trade machine, and im trying to figure out how in the heck you could do a 3 team deal for Butler with Houston

doing a one on one isnt to hard, it might not be fair to Minny but its not hard to match salaries

but enticing a 3rd team to take dieng what is houston/minny gonna give? Tyus? Teague? Tucker?

houston is deeper than i thought, but a lot of them cant get traded right now

Driven
10-01-2018, 12:55 PM
That would be awesome.

A CP3/Harden/Butler/Melo/Capella team vs a Curry/Klay/Dray/KD team? Sign me up.

It would be crazy that a super team with Paul, Harden and Butler would be an underdog.

Would be a hell of a potential WCF


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IndyRealist
10-01-2018, 01:00 PM
It would be crazy that a super team with Paul, Harden and Butler would be an underdog.

Would be a hell of a potential WCF


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If it's Paul/Harden/Butler/Capella I don't think they're an underdog at least in preseason. No idea if it would work, but without Butler and a hobbled CP3 they took GS to the limit last year.

IKnowHoops
10-01-2018, 01:03 PM
Jimmy is gonna be a Rocket and everyone here will be upset.

If wolves get back Capela Iím cool

valade16
10-01-2018, 01:05 PM
If wolves get back Capela Iím cool

That will never happen. For one the Wolves already have Towns but more importantly, Houston would never trade Capella for Butler without a guarantee that Butler would stay in Houston. Capella is under Houston's control for the foreseeable future, they're not trading him for what could very possibly be a 1 year rental of Butler.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 01:18 PM
I've said that right from the start... "If the Bucks offer Middleon, Butler will end up playing next to Giannis"...

The word is that Heat were considered favorite as to land Butler, because they could deal Whiteside to Atlanta and offer Dragic, Richardson and Dedmon for Butler & Dieng... (Heat would also get Lin from Atlanta and give back picks).

But the Bucks can also deal with Atlanta (which will take 2 year to expire bad contracts) by trading both Delly + Henson (which the Hawks would then waive - as they would do with Whiteside) and add Wilson + Maker as sweeteners + a 2nd pick and then have the Wolves paying another 1st & a 2nd to Atlanta, as to get Middleton + Bledsoe + Dedmon... While the Bucks would get back Lin + Butler + Dieng...

IKnowHoops
10-01-2018, 02:14 PM
That will never happen. For one the Wolves already have Towns but more importantly, Houston would never trade Capella for Butler without a guarantee that Butler would stay in Houston. Capella is under Houston's control for the foreseeable future, they're not trading him for what could very possibly be a 1 year rental of Butler.

I think butler commits. Thatís a great trio. And yes of course with commitment.

Towns could easily play PF. Would be a nice tandem for the Wolves.

IndyRealist
10-01-2018, 02:23 PM
I've said that right from the start... "If the Bucks offer Middleon, Butler will end up playing next to Giannis"...

The word is that Heat were considered favorite as to land Butler, because they could deal Whiteside to Atlanta and offer Dragic, Richardson and Dedmon for Butler & Dieng... (Heat would also get Lin from Atlanta and give back picks).

But the Bucks can also deal with Atlanta (which will take 2 year to expire bad contracts) by trading both Delly + Henson (which the Hawks would then waive - as they would do with Whiteside) and add Wilson + Maker as sweeteners + a 2nd pick and then have the Wolves paying another 1st & a 2nd to Atlanta, as to get Middleton + Bledsoe + Dedmon... While the Bucks would get back Lin + Butler + Dieng...

Source? I have a hard time believing Atlanta was going to eat $51M for non lottery picks.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 02:40 PM
Source? I have a hard time believing Atlanta was going to eat $51M for non lottery picks.

Atlanta is following a different policy than any other team in the league (it has been done before)... They have only 55M of guaranteed contracts for 19/20 season, where the min limit of salaries a team can have before being heavily taxed, will be set near 100M... They are buying bad contracts of 2-seasons (but not 3 seasons or expiring this season) and then waive the players (EDIT: So that they don't have roster spots occupied by players they don't need)...

What they want in return, is:

1. The deal they make to be as close as possible to 125% of more value than the contracts they offer...
2. A pick + a young asset for each of their contracts.

Lin & Dedmon are expiring this season (EDIT: they therefore can't add salaries for 19/20 season)... that's why they want to trade them for 2 years bad contracts, so they can avoid being (heavily) taxed for being below the min salaries limit for the 19/20 season...

They did the same with Carmelo Anthony, who they waived immediately after they've got him (for not playing with them) and payed him some 52M of salaries for this and the next season!

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 02:51 PM
Atlanta is following a different policy than any other team in the league (it has been done before)... They have only 55M of guaranteed contracts for 19/20 season, where the min limit of salaries a team can have before being heavily taxed, will be set near 100M... They are buying bad contracts of 2-seasons (but not 3 seasons or expiring this season) and then waive the players (EDIT: So that they don't have roster spots occupied by players they don't need)...

What they want in return, is:

1. The deal they make to be as close as possible to 125% of more value than the contracts they offer...
2. A pick + a young asset for each of their contracts.

Lin & Dedmon are expiring... that's why they want to trade them for 2 years bad contracts, so they can avoid being (heavily) taxed for being below the min salaries limit for the 19/20 season...

But do you have a source?

IndyRealist
10-01-2018, 02:52 PM
Source?

buckalis
10-01-2018, 02:56 PM
Source?

About Atlanta's policy? or about Heat wanting to send Whiteside to Atlanta (and then waived)?

About the policy, Hawks did the same with Carmelo Anthony, who they waived immediately after they've got him and payed him (for not playing with them) some 52M of salaries for this and the next season!

IKnowHoops
10-01-2018, 03:03 PM
About Atlanta's policy? or about Heat wanting to send Whiteside to Atlanta (and then waived)?

About the policy, Hawks did the same with Carmelo Anthony, who they waived immediately after they've got him and payed him (for not playing with them) some 52M of salaries for this and the next season!

At this point...a single...solitary...source...

buckalis
10-01-2018, 03:06 PM
a single...solitary...source...

solitary? Would you pay 52M (over two seasons) and immediately waive the player? ...would you?

IndyRealist
10-01-2018, 03:43 PM
About Atlanta's policy? or about Heat wanting to send Whiteside to Atlanta (and then waived)?

About the policy, Hawks did the same with Carmelo Anthony, who they waived immediately after they've got him and payed him (for not playing with them) some 52M of salaries for this and the next season!

So no source, you're just spitballing. That's fine, you just made it sound like there were confirmed reports on what you said.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 03:56 PM
So no source, you're just spitballing. That's fine, you just made it sound like there were confirmed reports on what you said.

Spiballing... Just because you can't understand why Atlanta offered Bazemore and Houston offered them back only Anderson and a pick, while Atlanta wanted an asset too, all others are "spitballing"...

Nobody is spitballing here mate... it's only that the teams that can pay Atlanta what they want and are lucky to have 2-year bad contracts of the right value are fortunate because they can use Atlanta as to get rid of their bad contracts and load Dieng's instead... If on top it's Middleton for Butler and a worthy PG then there is no competition as to land Butler... The Wolves want back what they payed for Butler... and Bledsoe + Middleton + Dedmon does exactly that!

IndyRealist
10-01-2018, 04:26 PM
Spiballing... Just because you can't understand why Atlanta offered Bazemore and Houston offered them back only Anderson and a pick, while Atlanta wanted an asset too, all others are "spitballing"...

Nobody is spitballing here mate... it's only that the teams that can pay Atlanta what they want and are lucky to have 2-year bad contracts of the right value are fortunate because they can use Atlanta as to get rid of their bad contracts and load Dieng's instead... If on top it's Middleton for Butler and a worthy PG then there is no competition as to land Butler... The Wolves want back what they payed for Butler... and Bledsoe + Middleton + Dedmon does exactly that!

Do you not know what spitballing means? If you have a report saying what you mentioned, please provide it. Otherwise I'm just figuring this is your opinion and not reported news.

TheDish87
10-01-2018, 04:34 PM
lol at the wolves getting what they spent on Butler. They are gonna get like 25 cents on the dollar, 50 if their lucky.

IndyRealist
10-01-2018, 04:36 PM
Here, I'll get you started.

https://hoopshype.com/team/atlanta-hawks/

buckalis
10-01-2018, 04:46 PM
lol at the wolves getting what they spent on Butler. They are gonna get like 25 cents on the dollar, 50 if their lucky.

Agree... They are more than lucky with Middleton + Bledsoe + Dedmon for Butler + Dieng + Lin (out of Atlanta) as this is far more than 50c per dollar and that's why they'll do it.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 04:48 PM
Here, I'll get you started.

https://hoopshype.com/team/atlanta-hawks/

????????

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 04:55 PM
Agree... They are more than lucky with Middleton + Bledsoe + Dedmon for Butler + Dieng + Lin (out of Atlanta) as this is far more than 50c per dollar and that's why they'll do it.

There is no rumor to this at all with no source and the Bucks already denied the Wolves Middleton in a trade for Butler.

GREATNESS ONE
10-01-2018, 04:56 PM
Ingram would be too smart to try to attack klay that way

:)

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 04:57 PM
I was told today that if Thibs wasnít being stubborn Jimmy would already be in Miami and that he is going to end up there regardless.

Weíll see what happens but the Heat have many different combinations of players they can send and better picks than Houston so the only way theyíre a threat is if Riley is lowballing like crazy and refuses to up his offer.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 05:03 PM
There is no rumor to this at all with no source and the Bucks already denied the Wolves Middleton in a trade for Butler.

Your invention?

Htownballa1622
10-01-2018, 05:06 PM
Miami is a ****hole. I think so anyways. But, I lived in Houston (Galveston for 5 years too) for 14 years, and I would never, and I mean never, go back. Unless I was offered a job making well north of 400k and just couldn't pass it up. That being said, my dislike comes from personal reasons, as a city Houston is awesome to live in if you can deal with horrible heat in the summer. I guess you could just live somewhere else when it's offseason though...
I get where you're coming from but I guess i mean more from an organization standpoint. Miami isn't set up to win anything now or in near future and doesn't have that much flexibility.

Miami's culture is just very easygoing. If you're rich, there's not many better places than Miami. I'm not rich at all but had a very fun time just relaxing. Can't imagine being rich and having every single luxury available to you and not enjoying yourself. Maybe it can get boring but I can certainly get used to it.
I agree with that but again, that's what i mean about the weather. If he wants to win, Miami isn't it.

That would be awesome.

A CP3/Harden/Butler/Melo/Capella team vs a Curry/Klay/Dray/KD team? Sign me up.
:cheers: :)

buckalis
10-01-2018, 05:06 PM
I was told today that if Thibs wasnít being stubborn Jimmy would already be in Miami and that he is going to end up there regardless.

Weíll see what happens but the Heat have many different combinations of players they can send and better picks than Houston so the only way theyíre a threat is if Riley is lowballing like crazy and refuses to up his offer.

Not if the Wolves can get better than Dragic + Richardson + Dedmon the Heat are offering (After trading Whiteside who the Wolves won't take to Atlanta in a 3 team deal) for Butler + Dieng...

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 05:08 PM
Your invention?

What?

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 05:09 PM
Not if the Wolves can get better than Dragic + Richardson + Dedmon the Heat are offering (After trading Whiteside who the Wolves won't take to Atlanta in a 3 team deal) for Butler + Dieng...

They canít and Atlanta will be involved in no way.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 05:12 PM
They canít and Atlanta will be involved in no way.

Middleton + Bledsoe is better than Dragic + Richardson... Atlanta will be involved with anybody that gives them a pick plus an asset for each of Lin, Deadmon and Bazemore... they don't care what the 3rd team involved is, or who the "value addition" is, as long as his value suits them... they'll pay and wave the "money addition" anyways as they did with Carmelo...

IKnowHoops
10-01-2018, 05:19 PM
They canít and Atlanta will be involved in no way.


Middleton + Bledsoe is better than Dragic + Richardson... Atlanta will be involved with anybody that gives them a pick plus an asset for each of Lin, Deadmon and Bazemore... they don't care what the 3rd team involved is or what the value addition is...

Let you two love birds dream away

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 05:23 PM
Middleton + Bledsoe is better than Dragic + Richardson... Atlanta will be involved with anybody that gives them a pick plus an asset for each of Lin, Deadmon and Bazemore... they don't care what the 3rd team involved is, or who the "value addition" is, as long as his value suits them... they'll pay and wave the "money addition" anyways as they did with Carmelo...

No one is giving a pick or asset for any of those players you listed for Atlanta.

The Bucks already turned down Middleton for Jimmy.

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 05:23 PM
Let you two love birds dream away

What am I dreaming about?

buckalis
10-01-2018, 05:27 PM
No one is giving a pick or asset for any of those players you listed for Atlanta. if the one who gives them what they ask for is getting Butler, they will get it... they get it from Miami, they get it from MIL...



The Bucks already turned down Middleton for Jimmy.

Again... your invention? Can you provide a link that the Bucks turned down Middleton for Butler?

Are you confused with Kwahi? It's him the Bucks turned down Middleton for... not Butler!

buckalis
10-01-2018, 05:33 PM
https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/09/29/nba-trade-rumors-bucks-preparing-an-offer-for-jimmy-butler/

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 05:40 PM
if the one who gives them what they ask for is getting Butler, they will get it... they get it from Miami, they get it from MIL...




Again... your invention? Can you provide a link that the Bucks turned down Middleton for Butler?

Are you confused with Kwahi? It's him the Bucks turned down Middleton for... not Butler!

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So like I said, the Bucks already turned that down.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 05:57 PM
1046826070064975873

So like I said, the Bucks already turned that down.

Are you serious?

"Kurt Helin" and "basketballtalk" are your sources?

Let me ask you something extremely easy to answer... Do you ever knew a team that is selling an All-Star making an offer. or is it the teams that are prepared to buy making offers?

This here https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/09/29/nba-trade-rumors-bucks-preparing-an-offer-for-jimmy-butler/ is by Zach Lowe...

And also... it says there "Milwaukee rejected trade" not "Milwaukee rejected trading for Middleton"... it means they rejected the package... (if the offer mentioned ever was).

valade16
10-01-2018, 06:03 PM
1046826070064975873

So like I said, the Bucks already turned that down.

As the Bucks should given their contract situations. However Milwaukee does have several other enticing trade pieces, perhaps they could put a deal together without Middleton?

buckalis
10-01-2018, 06:06 PM
As the Bucks should given their contract situations. However Milwaukee does have several other enticing trade pieces, perhaps they could put a deal together without Middleton?

Nope... the Wolves won't take it... but if MIL offers Middleton in the package, none else than MIL gets Butler...

buckalis
10-01-2018, 06:24 PM
I believe this would work very well indeed:

Hawks receive: (Dellavedova, Henson, both waived), Maker, Wilson + a 1st & a 2nd from the Wolves & a 2nd from the Bucks.

Bucks receive: Butler, Jeremy Lin & Dieng

Wolves receive: Middleton, Bledsoe & Dedmon

IKnowHoops
10-01-2018, 06:28 PM
I believe this would work very well indeed:

Hawks receive: (Dellavedova, Henson, both waived), Maker, Wilson + a 1st & a 2nd from the Wolves & a 2nd from the Bucks.

Bucks receive: Butler, Jeremy Lin & Dieng

Wolves receive: Middleton, Bledsoe & Dedmon

Donít mind it to be honest, but Iíd still rather wait it out.

valade16
10-01-2018, 06:30 PM
I believe this would work very well indeed:

Hawks receive: (Dellavedova, Henson, both waived), Maker, Wilson + a 1st & a 2nd from the Wolves & a 2nd from the Bucks.

Bucks receive: Butler, Jeremy Lin & Dieng

Wolves receive: Middleton, Bledsoe & Dedmon

I don't see the Bucks giving up Middleton, Bledsoe and Maker for Butler.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 06:33 PM
Donít mind it to be honest, but Iíd still rather wait it out.

In a deal you have to count all sides and the alternatives they have... Hawks are the clear winners with this deal, but then again, they have completely different tasks and make things easier for the deal to happen, they therefore have to be payed for it.

EDIT: The tricky piece is Dieng's contract that is 3-year, which the Hawks won't take because it is 3-year (they only take 2 years)... Whoever deals with the Wolves, will have to take Dieng next to Butler and this can't be done unless one gets rid of his bad contracts... Lucky for the Bucks and Heat, all Whiteside, Henson & Delly have two years to expire...

buckalis
10-01-2018, 06:43 PM
I don't see the Bucks giving up Middleton, Bledsoe and Maker for Butler.

If they don't, then they don't get Butler... but do you think this is good for the Bucks? They go to the finals and loose only from GSW if they play a Brogdon, Snell, Butler Giannis & Lopez lineup... and they will have good depth to support it on Lin, Brown, Buzz, Wood, Ilyasova, Dieng and Zeller...

valade16
10-01-2018, 06:52 PM
If they don't, then they don't get Butler... but do you think this is good for the Bucks? They go to the finals and loose only from GSW if they play a Brogdon, Snell, Butler Giannis & Lopez lineup... and they will have good depth to support it on Lin, Brown, Buzz, Wood, Ilyasova, Dieng and Zeller...

I don't think that's particularly good for Milwaukee. Giannis/Butler ain't beating any of the top teams and giving up both Middleton and Bledsoe for what could be a 1 year rental of Butler is too much. If I'm Milwaukee I'm seeing if any combination of Maker, Brogdon, Snell, 1st, etc. can get Butler.

Nobody else seems to be making an offer in the same stratosphere of both Middleton and Bledsoe currently.

Jamiecballer
10-01-2018, 07:05 PM
If they don't, then they don't get Butler... but do you think this is good for the Bucks? They go to the finals and loose only from GSW if they play a Brogdon, Snell, Butler Giannis & Lopez lineup... and they will have good depth to support it on Lin, Brown, Buzz, Wood, Ilyasova, Dieng and Zeller...Finals of what??

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buckalis
10-01-2018, 07:07 PM
I don't think that's particularly good for Milwaukee. Giannis/Butler ain't beating any of the top teams and giving up both Middleton and Bledsoe for what could be a 1 year rental of Butler is too much. If I'm Milwaukee I'm seeing if any combination of Maker, Brogdon, Snell, 1st, etc. can get Butler.

Nobody else seems to be making an offer in the same stratosphere of both Middleton and Bledsoe currently.

You count wrong... Middleton & Bledsoe are also both rentals... Who says that they will resign?

Butler yes, he will resign if Bucks win the East or make it to the East finals and loose in details (which they won't, they'll win if they have Butler next to Giannis)...

But... say that Middleton resigns... for how much?, 25?, 26?, 27? .... Butler will cost 32.4M in his first year, is it worth resigning Midletton for only a small financial difference from Butler?

...and then is the floor... Defense? No comparison whatsoever between Butler and Middleton... Offense? Butler is no SG (like Middleton is) able to play SF... Butler is real SF when playing SF... it means that the Bucks will have one playmaking and attacking the rim (which Middleton doesn't do) from the other side of Giannis... other than being much better for the team's SF position, it would mean that Giannis would have much more space...

It ends up to a dreadful team... not only Butler will do things better than Middleton, but Giannis will end up not being double and triple teamed all the time as he was last season... He will end the season scoring more than 3000 points!

valade16
10-01-2018, 07:11 PM
You count wrong... Middleton & Bledsoe are also both rentals... Who says that they will resign?

Butler yes, he will resign if Bucks win the East or make it to the East finals and loose in details (which they won't, they'll win if they have Butler next to Giannis)...

But... say that Middleton resigns... for how much?, 25?, 26?, 27? .... Butler will cost 32.4M in his first year, is it worth resigning Midletton for only a small financial difference from Butler?

...and then is the floor... Defense? No comparison whatsoever between Butler and Middleton... Offense? Butler is no SG (like Middleton is) able to play SF... Butler is real SF when playing SF... it means that the Bucks will have one playmaking and attacking the rim (which Middleton doesn't do) from the other side of Giannis... other than being much better for the team's SF position, it would mean that Giannis would have much more space...

It ends up to a dreadful team... not only Butler will do things better than Middleton, but Giannis will end up not being double and triple teamed all the time as he was last season... He will end the season scoring more than 3000 points!

I buy the argument that Butler is an upgrade to Middleton, but is Butler worth Middleton + Bledsoe? IDK.

IndyRealist
10-01-2018, 07:19 PM
Are you serious?

"Kurt Helin" and "basketballtalk" are your sources?

Let you ask you something extremely easy to answer... Do you ever knew a team that is selling an All-Star making an offer. or is it the teams that are prepared to buy making offers?

This here https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/09/29/nba-trade-rumors-bucks-preparing-an-offer-for-jimmy-butler/ is by Zach Lowe...

And also... it says there "Milwaukee rejected trade" not "Miwaukee rejected trading for Middleton"... it means they rejected the package... (if the offer was ever).

Do you not see where it says "nba.nbcsports.com"?


And if you click through your article to the actual Zach Lowe quote:

The Bucks placed a courtesy "keep us in the loop" call with Minnesota, sources say, and a package built around Khris Middleton (also set to be a free agent) and one future asset -- a pick, Thon Maker, something -- makes some sense. I just don't see it. Milwaukee has a better chance retaining Middleton than they'd have with Butler.

He never reported Middleton was on the offer.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 07:20 PM
I buy the argument that Butler is an upgrade to Middleton, but is Butler worth Middleton + Bledsoe? IDK.

Yes he does... as you said, Butler is better than Middleton, but Bledsoe isn't good fit with Giannis... he is too selfish for Giannis game, good PG for another team but poor for a team that has Giannis... just count the moments of "pick and roll" that Giannis had with Bledsoe and those he had with Brogdon last season... Brogdon wins hands down...

Bledsoe would be excellent coached by Thibs, but with a team like the Bucks, that (because of Giannis) have no selfishness in their game... Bledsoe plays with a different ball!

...and then also count that Bucks get rid of Henson's and Delly's contracts...

EDIT: Also... is Bledsoe better than Lin? ...now that's a good question one must answer! Lin is (much) better shooter, bigger, better defender, even more athletic and has the fastest legs one can find the league...

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 08:20 PM
Are you serious?

"Kurt Helin" and "basketballtalk" are your sources?

Let you ask you something extremely easy to answer... Do you ever knew a team that is selling an All-Star making an offer. or is it the teams that are prepared to buy making offers?

This here https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/09/29/nba-trade-rumors-bucks-preparing-an-offer-for-jimmy-butler/ is by Zach Lowe...

And also... it says there "Milwaukee rejected trade" not "Miwaukee rejected trading for Middleton"... it means they rejected the package... (if the offer was ever).

You are dense as ****.

buckalis
10-01-2018, 08:47 PM
I really don't see what you guys are arguing on... Is there one that would ever say that if the Wolves would ever proposed a trade Middleton for Butler (straight out, one to one) the Bucks would then reject? Do you think the Bucks F.O people are nuts? ...or what?

...Are you trying to find excuses as to convince yourselves that the Bucks won't offer Middleton in a package, so that Butler would end up where you favor? I ask this because teams do not make deals that coincide with ones likes... They do deals that satisfy them both...

and in this case, if Bucks are to offer Middleton in a package for Butler, no other can have a better alternative... and this deal I proposed:

Hawks receive: (Dellavedova, Henson, both waived), Maker, Wilson + a 1st & a 2nd from the Wolves & a 2nd from the Bucks.

Bucks receive: Butler, Jeremy Lin & Dieng

Wolves receive: Middleton, Bledsoe & Dedmon

....It would surely beat anything alternative!

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 09:55 PM
I really don't see what you guys are arguing on... Is there one that would ever say that if the Wolves would ever proposed a trade Middleton for Butler (straight out, one to one) the Bucks would then reject? Do you think the Bucks F.O people are nuts? ...or what?

...Are you trying to find excuses as to convince yourselves that the Bucks won't offer Middleton in a package, so that Butler would end up where you favor? I ask this because teams do not make deals that coincide with ones likes... They do deals that satisfy them both...

and in this case, if Bucks are to offer Middleton in a package for Butler, no other can have a better alternative... and this deal I proposed:

Hawks receive: (Dellavedova, Henson, both waived), Maker, Wilson + a 1st & a 2nd from the Wolves & a 2nd from the Bucks.

Bucks receive: Butler, Jeremy Lin & Dieng

Wolves receive: Middleton, Bledsoe & Dedmon

....It would surely beat anything alternative!

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Idk what youíre not understanding, the Bucks already declined Butler for Middleton.

specialiststeve
10-01-2018, 10:08 PM
1046829415068459008

Idk what youíre not understanding, the Bucks already declined Butler for Middleton.

From what I have read Middleton is out.... as a Wolves fan.... Bucks are out......

WaDe03
10-01-2018, 10:09 PM
From what I have read Middleton is out.... as a Wolves fan.... Bucks are out......

Yep youíre correct.

Dade County
10-01-2018, 10:13 PM
in potential trade for Timberwolvesí Jimmy Butler.




While the Miami Heat have reportedly been aggressive suitors for Jimmy Butler, the organizationís unwillingness to include Bam Adebayo and Josh Richardson could complicate things. Chris Sheridan of Get More Sports writes:

For now, my sources are telling me that Miami will do a bunch of different trades, but Bam Adebayo and Josh Richardson are off limits. Perhaps Hassan Whitesideís 20 points and 13 rebounds last night against San Antonio will make him more palatable to someone. The Heat have been trying all offseason without success to move him.

Adebayo and Richardson are promising young players, and if Miami is unwilling to include them in a deal, does a trade make sense for Minnesota? Tom Thibodeau and the Timberwolves believe that they can contend in the Western Conference without Butler, but in order to do that, theyíll need to get back players who can contribute right now. Future picks and assets wonít help the Timberwolves win now.

https://clutchpoints.com/heat-rumors-josh-richardson-bam-adebayo-are-off-limits-in-potential-jimmy-butler-trade/

FlashBolt
10-01-2018, 10:14 PM
1046829415068459008

Idk what youíre not understanding, the Bucks already declined Butler for Middleton.

Education at Milwaukee must suck

IndyRealist
10-01-2018, 11:19 PM
I really don't see what you guys are arguing on... Is there one that would ever say that if the Wolves would ever proposed a trade Middleton for Butler (straight out, one to one) the Bucks would then reject? Do you think the Bucks F.O people are nuts? ...or what?

...Are you trying to find excuses as to convince yourselves that the Bucks won't offer Middleton in a package, so that Butler would end up where you favor? I ask this because teams do not make deals that coincide with ones likes... They do deals that satisfy them both...

and in this case, if Bucks are to offer Middleton in a package for Butler, no other can have a better alternative... and this deal I proposed:

Hawks receive: (Dellavedova, Henson, both waived), Maker, Wilson + a 1st & a 2nd from the Wolves & a 2nd from the Bucks.

Bucks receive: Butler, Jeremy Lin & Dieng

Wolves receive: Middleton, Bledsoe & Dedmon

....It would surely beat anything alternative!
You never provided evidence of this:

I've said that right from the start... "If the Bucks offer Middleon, Butler will end up playing next to Giannis"...

The word is that Heat were considered favorite as to land Butler, because they could deal Whiteside to Atlanta and offer Dragic, Richardson and Dedmon for Butler & Dieng... (Heat would also get Lin from Atlanta and give back picks).

But the Bucks can also deal with Atlanta (which will take 2 year to expire bad contracts) by trading both Delly + Henson (which the Hawks would then waive - as they would do with Whiteside) and add Wilson + Maker as sweeteners + a 2nd pick and then have the Wolves paying another 1st & a 2nd to Atlanta, as to get Middleton + Bledsoe + Dedmon... While the Bucks would get back Lin + Butler + Dieng...
You were wrong about this.

if the one who gives them what they ask for is getting Butler, they will get it... they get it from Miami, they get it from MIL...




Again... your invention? Can you provide a link that the Bucks turned down Middleton for Butler?

Are you confused with Kwahi? It's him the Bucks turned down Middleton for... not Butler!
You didn't realize this was nbc sports.

Are you serious?

"Kurt Helin" and "basketballtalk" are your sources?

This is NOT by Zach Lowe, this is by some crap blogger that cited Zach Lowe, and LIED about what Lowe said.


Let me ask you something extremely easy to answer... Do you ever knew a team that is selling an All-Star making an offer. or is it the teams that are prepared to buy making offers?

This here https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/09/29/nba-trade-rumors-bucks-preparing-an-offer-for-jimmy-butler/ is by Zach Lowe...

And also... it says there "Milwaukee rejected trade" not "Milwaukee rejected trading for Middleton"... it means they rejected the package... (if the offer mentioned ever was).
Here is the quote from your link:

In an attempt to get their hands in on the suddenly wide-open Jimmy sweepstakes, the Bucks are reportedly preparing an offer that centers around sharpshooting guard Khris Middleton, says ESPNís Zach Lowe.
Here is what Zach Lowe ACTUALLY said:

The Bucks placed a courtesy "keep us in the loop" call with Minnesota, sources say, and a package built around Khris Middleton (also set to be a free agent) and one future asset -- a pick, Thon Maker, something -- makes some sense. I just don't see it. Milwaukee has a better chance retaining Middleton than they'd have with Butler.
You're not having a very good night.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-02-2018, 07:30 AM
https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/10/02/report-bucks-refused-wolves-offer-for-jimmy-butler/


Not sure how reliable Chris Sheridan is. But he said Bucks passed on Butler trade. I think we preferred to keep Middleton and still land Butler. But we don't have enough to go that route. Brogdon,Maker,DDV,Wilson,Brown, Snell doesn't excite the Wolves much probably.

Ya figure Taylor/Thibs probably thinking Pops got DD,Poeltl and a pick for Kawhi. Why cant we have our cake and eat it to.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-02-2018, 08:04 AM
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Just like it says Middleton for Butler doesn't work salary wise anyway. Bucks would of had to add in more fillers. Probably the fillers were a bit much and Bucks said no. Also Middleton is the better 3 point shooter. Bud's goal this offseason was to add more shooters around Giannis. Not take them away. Yeah Butler is a beast, a pure upgrade. But not the greatest 3 point shooter though.

As of right now Bledsoe,Brogdon,Middleton and Lopez can be parked beyond the arc while Giannis drives in the paint.

buckalis
10-02-2018, 08:49 AM
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Just like it says Middleton for Butler doesn't work salary wise anyway. Bucks would of had to add in more fillers. Probably the fillers were a bit much and Bucks said no. Also Middleton is the better 3 point shooter. Bud's goal this offseason was to add more shooters around Giannis. Not take them away. Yeah Butler is a beast, a pure upgrade. But not the greatest 3 point shooter though.

As of right now Bledsoe,Brogdon,Middleton and Lopez can be parked beyond the arc while Giannis drives in the paint.

Yes, I agree... If the Bucks were asked to give Middleton + Thon + Brogdon for Butler... the Bucks would reject that... It may also be that the Wolves insisted to have Dieng included in the deal they proposed and Bucks are trying to avoid this...

The only thing that is confirmed, is that the Wolves do accept Middleton in a trade for Butler... which makes the Bucks favorites as to land Butler...

It may be best to see where this all ends, it is possible that negotiations will take some time as this is a crucial deal for both teams.

Surely if the Bucks can avoid loading Dieng and can add less valuable players as to make up for Butler's price, that would be great for the Bucks and maybe it is possible to do so... Middleton + Maker + a 2nd for Butler only perhaps?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-02-2018, 09:01 AM
I think Bucks GM Horst prefers to land Butler while hanging onto Giannis and Middleton. So we'd have our little big 3. Bucks already dangled Bledsoe,Brogdon,Delly,Wilson at draft night. Also Henson been on trade block before the ink dried on his contract. But like ya said.

Dieng is to costly for a mild upgrade over Henson. Also we got Lopez and Maker and Wood yet. Also Ersan can play small ball center as well. So if Wolves are force feeding Dieng in all Butler deals good luck with that. I know Kings said they'd take Dieng if they get a first round pick.

I prefer Brogdon,Maker, Thib's ex-Bulls Snell,Wilson,Zeller and a pick in 2022 for Butler. Doubt Taylor or Thibs bite on that though.

WaDe03
10-02-2018, 09:18 AM
Yes, I agree... If the Bucks were asked to give Middleton + Thon + Brogdon for Butler... the Bucks would reject that... It may also be that the Wolves insisted to have Dieng included in the deal they proposed and Bucks are trying to avoid this...

The only thing that is confirmed, is that the Wolves do accept Middleton in a trade for Butler... which makes the Bucks favorites as to land Butler...

It may be best to see where this all ends, it is possible that negotiations will take some time as this is a crucial deal for both teams.

Surely if the Bucks can avoid loading Dieng and can add less valuable players as to make up for Butler's price, that would be great for the Bucks and maybe it is possible to do so... Middleton + Maker + a 2nd for Butler only perhaps?

Bruh it literally says they wont trade Middleton in a deal for Butler. Good lord.

Heediot
10-02-2018, 09:22 AM
I prefer Brogdon,Maker, Thib's ex-Bulls Snell,Wilson,Zeller and a pick in 2022 for Butler. Doubt Taylor or Thibs bite on that though.

No stars there but Brogdon and Maker can complement Towns and Wiggins well. Just based on chemistry I'd consider it. That team can still grow together. Just find a way to upgrade teague and a starting 5 of Brogdon/Wiggins/Towns/Maker and a nice PG isn't bad to grow with.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-02-2018, 09:22 AM
I'd try Bledsoe, Brogdon, Wilson for Butler. Wolves can then trade Teague to Suns for any assets.