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WaDe03
10-31-2018, 05:06 PM
Yeah good luck with that. Nobody's surrendering that level talent for a 1 year rental. Minnesota made their choice, so they can either trade him nearer to the deadline or not at all and lose him for nothing. Thibs wants to win now....so the latter isn't a bad option for him. Not sure I want Miami to be in on this anyway.....depends on what we'd have to give.

Nothing should be untouchable its thinking that has us where we are now. We overvalue our ďgood players/assets.Ē

IndyRealist
10-31-2018, 05:18 PM
Now we get to play the game of which reporter is the mouthpiece for which individual. One for Jimmy, one for the team, one for the Agent, one for the players, one for....

*Ding* *Ding* *Ding*

Rachel Nichols is essentially Butler's PR person at this point.

AllBall
10-31-2018, 05:19 PM
Nothing should be untouchable its thinking that has us where we are now. We overvalue our ďgood players/assets.Ē

Buddy, no one is going to trade John Wall for a Jimmy rental.

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 05:34 PM
Buddy, no one is going to trade John Wall for a Jimmy rental.

Huh? I laughed at that proposal. Iím talking about Miami.

buckalis
10-31-2018, 06:32 PM
Is that the pitch you think the Timberwolves are trying to make? Doesn't look like any team is buying that.
I just say that he is a rental that will surely leave the team he goes to (any team), unless if the team he is traded to, will make it to the finals, or a step behind... If the team he is traded to, won't make the above, he will leave again next summer fo a team that does.

Same with Kwahi... if the Raptors reach the East finals or more, he stays, if they don't, he leaves...

ewing
10-31-2018, 06:49 PM
John Wall and Derrick Rose on the same team is gorss

Dade County
10-31-2018, 10:52 PM
I just say that he is a rental that will surely leave the team he goes to (any team), unless if the team he is traded to, will make it to the finals, or a step behind... If the team he is traded to, won't make the above, he will leave again next summer fo a team that does.

Same with Kwahi... if the Raptors reach the East finals or more, he stays, if they don't, he leaves...

Kawhi is gonw even if the Raps make it to the ECF. You don't think these players know the game thats played behide close doors.

GS is winning it all. Kawhi on the Raps this year or next doesn't tip the scales.

buckalis
11-01-2018, 07:20 AM
Kawhi is gonw even if the Raps make it to the ECF. You don't think these players know the game thats played behide close doors.

GS is winning it all. Kawhi on the Raps this year or next doesn't tip the scales.
Next season, GSW will be losing at least one of their key all stars and perhaps 2 of them... In NBA you can't have a team being above the luxury tax for more than 4 seasons...

But even if GSW will dominate next season too, he will have his shot for a ring the season after...

Same with Butler... It's the Raptors, or the Celtics, or the Sixers, or the Bucks he will sign next off season...

If it happens and he is traded to one of those teams this season, then he signs an extension with the same team.

Back door isn't only between teams, the team that Butler will be traded to, will know from before if Butler stays or goes next summer, the Wolves know that too...

All in all, there is not a chance in a million that Kwahi or Butler don't want their chance to get a ring and the clock is ticking...

If anything, getting a ring means huge after career ends income difference and fame for them.

Hawkeye15
11-01-2018, 09:24 AM
So Butler couldn't play, little tired, too tired to cheer his teammates on. I am so sick of his games. The guy is showing exactly what is wrong with the league. He claims all he wants to do is win, but then acts like he has.

**** him. Trade him. Just sick of him already. I would prefer the team tell him to stay the **** home, and away from the team all together. If they can get assets for him, great. If not, let him rot and miss a season. Then he can go crawling to one of the crappy teams with cap space, so he can concentrate on "winning".

Stunner
11-01-2018, 10:07 AM
Butler was at the wolves game last night and he even cheered Rose on via ig and in his press conference. Yea yíall prob tired of him but he doing better than what Kawhi did last season with the Spurs.

WaDe03
11-01-2018, 10:11 AM
He doesnt want to be here and doesnít like majority of his teammates.

Hawkeye15
11-01-2018, 10:28 AM
Butler was at the wolves game last night and he even cheered Rose on via ig and in his press conference. Yea yíall prob tired of him but he doing better than what Kawhi did last season with the Spurs.

he wasn't on the bench. The dude is a huge baby. He needs to go.

WaDe03
11-01-2018, 10:33 AM
he wasn't on the bench. The dude is a huge baby. He needs to go.

I agree, get him to Miami ASAP! Thibs has drug this on for far too long.

AllBall
11-01-2018, 10:36 AM
So Butler couldn't play, little tired, too tired to cheer his teammates on. I am so sick of his games. The guy is showing exactly what is wrong with the league. He claims all he wants to do is win, but then acts like he has.

**** him. Trade him. Just sick of him already. I would prefer the team tell him to stay the **** home, and away from the team all together. If they can get assets for him, great. If not, let him rot and miss a season. Then he can go crawling to one of the crappy teams with cap space, so he can concentrate on "winning".

Day 45

of the Jimmy Butler drama....

Jamiecballer
11-01-2018, 10:39 AM
Kawhi is gonw even if the Raps make it to the ECF. You don't think these players know the game thats played behide close doors.

GS is winning it all. Kawhi on the Raps this year or next doesn't tip the scales.Then where is he going? Golden State?

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Jamiecballer
11-01-2018, 10:40 AM
So Butler couldn't play, little tired, too tired to cheer his teammates on. I am so sick of his games. The guy is showing exactly what is wrong with the league. He claims all he wants to do is win, but then acts like he has.

**** him. Trade him. Just sick of him already. I would prefer the team tell him to stay the **** home, and away from the team all together. If they can get assets for him, great. If not, let him rot and miss a season. Then he can go crawling to one of the crappy teams with cap space, so he can concentrate on "winning".◊ a million

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FlashBolt
11-01-2018, 10:43 AM
So Butler couldn't play, little tired, too tired to cheer his teammates on. I am so sick of his games. The guy is showing exactly what is wrong with the league. He claims all he wants to do is win, but then acts like he has.

**** him. Trade him. Just sick of him already. I would prefer the team tell him to stay the **** home, and away from the team all together. If they can get assets for him, great. If not, let him rot and miss a season. Then he can go crawling to one of the crappy teams with cap space, so he can concentrate on "winning".

give us Taj and Jimmy for Westbrook I'll do that honestly.

SteBO
11-01-2018, 10:46 AM
give us Taj and Jimmy for Westbrook I'll do that honestly.
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FlashBolt
11-01-2018, 11:03 AM
??QuŤ?!

Taj would fit right next to Steven Adams and PG+Jimmy would give us two players who can play defense, shoot, and make winning plays. I like Russ but I like our chances rebuilding or taking Jimmy B for one year than Westbrook.

SteBO
11-01-2018, 11:27 AM
Taj would fit right next to Steven Adams and PG+Jimmy would give us two players who can play defense, shoot, and make winning plays. I like Russ but I like our chances rebuilding or taking Jimmy B for one year than Westbrook.
Ah makes sense I suppose. Just a bit jarring to hear an OKC fan be okay with trading Russ.

AllBall
11-01-2018, 12:11 PM
give us Taj and Jimmy for Westbrook I'll do that honestly.

You would, the franchise wouldn't. They'd get rid of the coach or PG or anyone else before Westbrook.

WaDe03
11-01-2018, 12:12 PM
JR Smith requested a trade. What a terrible guy for waiting until the season started.

IndyRealist
11-01-2018, 12:32 PM
OKC was missing their entire starting backcourt for 3 games, and were already a shallow team. I consider them 2-1, not 2-4. When Roberson gets back they'll be fine. I don't think Jimmy for Russ makes them better.

specialiststeve
11-01-2018, 01:41 PM
Not realistic for OKC to trade him as Westbrook is why George signed there. Westbrooks teams will never win big but he puts on a hell of a show.... since this is entertainment and he wants to be there - he stays.

AllBall
11-01-2018, 02:26 PM
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1058052068710236163

If he get's fined for this, it will be the biggest croc of garbage the NBA has pulled this season. Why should a player not have this feeling when you just fired his coach.

IndyRealist
11-01-2018, 02:30 PM
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1058052068710236163

If he get's fined for this, it will be the biggest croc of garbage the NBA has pulled this season. Why should a player not have this feeling when you just fired his coach.

Sports reporters should have a responsibility to not ask questions they know will get the player fined. This isn't Woodward and Bernstein.

WhiteShadow42
11-01-2018, 06:40 PM
JR and large bag of weed to Houston for Carmelo. Let's face it, JR will never travel without a decent amount of it and he could be good for Houston. I think Melo can't be traded until December though.

FlashBolt
11-01-2018, 10:08 PM
Ah makes sense I suppose. Just a bit jarring to hear an OKC fan be okay with trading Russ.

contrary to what people think, there are OKC fans who dislike Russ just because we feel he never changed his game for the betterment of the team. Like when we had KD, there were many begging for a russ for CP3 trade. Even now, I would say there are some who would like to see him traded.

Tg11
11-02-2018, 09:30 AM
Jimmy Butler to OKC he could be a #3 option to Westbrook and George they would be an instant threat in the West but I don't think Butler would go to OKC unless they give up a lot to get Jimmy Buckets

WaDe03
11-02-2018, 11:20 AM
Jimmy Butler to OKC he could be a #3 option to Westbrook and George they would be an instant threat in the West but I don't think Butler would go to OKC unless they give up a lot to get Jimmy Buckets

Heíd probably be their best/most impactful player.

Tg11
11-02-2018, 11:24 AM
Jimmy Butler goes to the Clippers

specialiststeve
11-02-2018, 01:37 PM
Jimmy Butler goes to the Clippers

That was one of the places he wanted to go but to this point the clips aren't willing to put the chips in to make it happen.... like the other teams....

kdspurman
11-02-2018, 02:20 PM
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MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-02-2018, 02:24 PM
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WaDe03
11-02-2018, 05:37 PM
Thatís the same guy who said Houston and Minny were on the 1 yard line on a deal a month ago when it was actually Miami and Minny lol.

specialiststeve
11-02-2018, 06:06 PM
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All not real close at this time as no one wants to give up any "quality" player assets that meet the price.

Don't see that Butler would be a good fit with the 76ers... taking 3rd seat is not a thing he would do well.....

Rockets still in the mix and wolves would likely do if Gordon and Tucker are part of the deal... to this point no go.

Heat are still the likely preferred spot to send him as out of conference. Riley still trying to bargain shop at Neman Marcus.. needs to step up if wants to get it done.

Clippers... see the heat....

I don't see the Bucks messing with the mess that is Butlers situation. Also don't see that the Bucks would be willing to mess up the chemistry which is great.

Supposedly there is a new team in the mix but have not figure out who that may be yet.....

JAZZNC
11-02-2018, 08:53 PM
I'm so sick of Jimmy Butler. He's a prick that's not good enough to be your #1 and actually take you anywhere, injury history, and very obviously has serious issues with every locker room he's been in. Why are people clamoring for this dude? I understand he's talented but is it really worth it? And he's gonna want a ton of money on a long term contract.

ewing
11-02-2018, 10:52 PM
I'm so sick of Jimmy Butler. He's a prick that's not good enough to be your #1 and actually take you anywhere, injury history, and very obviously has serious issues with every locker room he's been in. Why are people clamoring for this dude? I understand he's talented but is it really worth it? And he's gonna want a ton of money on a long term contract.

can i have the list of guys "good enough" b/c I'm guessing it goes something like LeBron, KD, maybe Curry and AD

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-03-2018, 07:32 AM
All not real close at this time as no one wants to give up any "quality" player assets that meet the price.

Don't see that Butler would be a good fit with the 76ers... taking 3rd seat is not a thing he would do well.....

Rockets still in the mix and wolves would likely do if Gordon and Tucker are part of the deal... to this point no go.

Heat are still the likely preferred spot to send him as out of conference. Riley still trying to bargain shop at Neman Marcus.. needs to step up if wants to get it done.

Clippers... see the heat....

I don't see the Bucks messing with the mess that is Butlers situation. Also don't see that the Bucks would be willing to mess up the chemistry which is great.

Supposedly there is a new team in the mix but have not figure out who that may be yet.....

Shocked they even have the Bucks on the list. Bucks already declined Middleton and filler for Butler. I would of rather seen a mystery team on there like Raptors or Hornets.

buckalis
11-03-2018, 08:08 AM
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The one out of the above, that can move Dieng's contract (or perhaps another big contract of the Wolves), has the highest chances...

buckalis
11-03-2018, 08:17 AM
Shocked they even have the Bucks on the list. Bucks already declined Middleton and filler for Butler. I would of rather seen a mystery team on there like Raptors or Hornets.

The Bucks have higher chances (without offering Middleton) than both Raptors and Hornets, because they can move Dieng's contract... Besides, Jimmy wouldn't agree to go to the Hornets (or the Heat for that matter), because he won't resign with a team that can't have a shot for the title...

Any team that trades for Jimmy, it will have assurance that Jimmy stays there.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-03-2018, 08:31 AM
The Bucks have higher chances (without offering Middleton) than both Raptors and Hornets, because they can move Dieng's contract... Besides, Jimmy wouldn't agree to go to the Hornets (or the Heat for that matter), because he won't resign with a team that can't have a shot for the title...

Any team that trades for Jimmy, it will have assurance that Jimmy stays there.

I wouldn't take Dieng bloated contract back. I dont mind Butler as a rental though if it only takes Brogdon,Maker,Wilson and choice of any of Delly or Snell or Henson. Hopefully Snell since hes a 3 year deal. I maybe would even consider tossing in lockdown Brown as well. But Butler plays to much iso ball. That mess up our chemistry and fast paced offense.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-03-2018, 08:34 AM
The Bucks have higher chances (without offering Middleton) than both Raptors and Hornets, because they can move Dieng's contract... Besides, Jimmy wouldn't agree to go to the Hornets (or the Heat for that matter), because he won't resign with a team that can't have a shot for the title...

Any team that trades for Jimmy, it will have assurance that Jimmy stays there.

Raptors could be in it quickly if OG is on the table and a big salary filler like Val or Ibaka. Then Raptors have a core of Kawhi,Butler,Lowry.

buckalis
11-03-2018, 08:46 AM
Raptors could be in it quickly if OG is on the table and a big salary filler like Val or Ibaka. Then Raptors have a core of Kawhi,Butler,Lowry.
Yes, that could work for the Raptors, but its difficult for them to move a big contract of the Wolves, next to Butler...

buckalis
11-03-2018, 08:56 AM
I wouldn't take Dieng bloated contract back. I dont mind Butler as a rental though if it only takes Brogdon,Maker,Wilson and choice of any of Delly or Snell or Henson. Hopefully Snell since hes a 3 year deal. I maybe would even consider tossing in lockdown Brown as well. But Butler plays to much iso ball. That mess up our chemistry and fast paced offense.

No... the Bucks wouldn't take Dieng, but the Bucks are among the few teams that can move Dieng's contract off the Wolves on a three team deal and this is huge for the Wolves.

Snell + PJ Warren + Brown + Maker + a 1st + a 2nd to the Wolves, and then Dellavedova + Meeks + DJ Wilson + Dieng + a 2nd to the Suns, should be just fine for the Bucks to land Butler + Chandler and then waive Chandler...

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-03-2018, 09:06 AM
OG,Fred,Powell for Butler works. That's if Raptors wanna break up their bench mob. Raptors could also flip Val for Dieng if needed.

buckalis
11-03-2018, 09:14 AM
OG,Fred,Powell for Butler works. That's if Raptors wanna break up their bench mob. Raptors could also flip Val for Dieng if needed.
I'm not sure at all the Raptors would move VAL... neither that the Wolves whould want VAL's contract...

EDIT: Actually, I'm not sure the Raptors would include OG in their offer either... One never knows, but they refused to include him in the Kwahi deal with the Spurs... didn't they?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-03-2018, 09:39 AM
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buckalis
11-03-2018, 09:45 AM
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If one looks at his asslsts, they are 40% down from last season... He refuses to pass the ball to KAT and WIGs as the video proves...

JAZZNC
11-03-2018, 10:25 AM
can i have the list of guys "good enough" b/c I'm guessing it goes something like LeBron, KD, maybe Curry and AD
Yep. Pretty much, although you could add Harden/Kawhi/Embiid to that list. I'm not giving up what its gonna take to trade for a player of Butler's caliber. If you can just sign him outright and not lose any assets then maybe but he's not worth selling the farm for.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-03-2018, 10:43 AM
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SiteWolf
11-03-2018, 11:44 AM
How did this guy suddenly adopt the idea that it's his world and we're all just actors in it?
"I'LL decide if I play in back to back games" being his latest

Switch
11-03-2018, 12:16 PM
How did this guy suddenly adopt the idea that it's his world and we're all just actors in it?
"I'LL decide if I play in back to back games" being his latest

Minny is refusing to trade him so he is acting up. He obviously wants out sooner rather than later.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-03-2018, 12:27 PM
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AllBall
11-03-2018, 12:33 PM
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lol, so Jimmy Butler is now Samuel L. Jackson just casually dropping F bombs?

Jamiecballer
11-03-2018, 01:27 PM
Raptors could be in it quickly if OG is on the table and a big salary filler like Val or Ibaka. Then Raptors have a core of Kawhi,Butler,Lowry.I can't see the Raptors having any interest in that. Despite the reduced mins Val is a very important part of the team, basically keeping them from getting killed on the glass on a nightly basis. And productive as hell.

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smith&wesson
11-03-2018, 02:25 PM
I can't see the Raptors having any interest in that. Despite the reduced mins Val is a very important part of the team, basically keeping them from getting killed on the glass on a nightly basis. And productive as hell.

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Heís good. Jimmy is better. Masai should have never songs Monro. Thereís lots of cheap bigs out there who can rebound

WaDe03
11-03-2018, 03:38 PM
I wish this **** would hurry up and end. Get him Pat.

WaDe03
11-03-2018, 03:39 PM
Pat obviously trying to hold on to as many assets as possibly also bring in someone like Kemba Wall or Beal with Jimmy but damn, this is going on like 2 months now.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-03-2018, 09:45 PM
I'm surprised there's been no noise from Pelicans.

Randle or Mirotic and Solomon Hill for Butler seems like a good deal for both sides.

Pelicans are gambling on Butler but him and AD can do some damage. Butler actually plays with guys who try hard like Davis and Jrue (both are All-NBA defenders).

Saddletramp
11-03-2018, 09:56 PM
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But **** these guys. I want the **** out of Minne****ingsota.

ewing
11-03-2018, 10:18 PM
he's losing it

metswon69
11-04-2018, 12:02 AM
Butler is an unprofessional *******. Great talent but this should show teams to beware in free agency. I wouldn't give this guy a max deal the way hes been acting.

FlashBolt
11-04-2018, 02:46 AM
Butler is an unprofessional *******. Great talent but this should show teams to beware in free agency. I wouldn't give this guy a max deal the way hes been acting.

I wouldn't exactly say he was fairly treated by Minny. Seems like they don't want to pay him what he's worth and decided to pay Wiggins instead.

metswon69
11-04-2018, 05:25 AM
I wouldn't exactly say he was fairly treated by Minny. Seems like they don't want to pay him what he's worth and decided to pay Wiggins instead.

Still doesn't excuse his behavior. Be a professional, play the games, stop acting like an ******* and he would have gotten his max deal in FA next year. Not playing back to backs, causing **** in the locker room, etc won't endear you to teams when it comes time to move elsewhere.

I don't know what Minnesota can expect back in trade either. I understood how good of a player Butler is but he's becoming a major distraction.

FlashBolt
11-04-2018, 06:20 AM
Still doesn't excuse his behavior. Be a professional, play the games, stop acting like an ******* and he would have gotten his max deal in FA next year. Not playing back to backs, causing **** in the locker room, etc won't endear you to teams when it comes time to move elsewhere.

I don't know what Minnesota can expect back in trade either. I understood how good of a player Butler is but he's becoming a major distraction.

Those days are over. Butler wasn't the first and won't be the last. Players run the league.

Jamiecballer
11-04-2018, 06:47 AM
Heís good. Jimmy is better. Masai should have never songs Monro. Thereís lots of cheap bigs out there who can reboundHes not better for the Raptors imo. I wouldn't consider it. I honestly dont think Masai would ever ever trade for Butler.

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ewing
11-04-2018, 07:18 AM
I wouldn't exactly say he was fairly treated by Minny. Seems like they don't want to pay him what he's worth and decided to pay Wiggins instead.

So? He has the option of walking at the end of his contract. He agreed to play for what he is being payed now. He was treated very fairly


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Tg11
11-04-2018, 01:08 PM
If I'm the Raptors I would trade for Jimmy Buckets in a heartbeat especially to pair up with Lowry and Leonard then the Raps would be more dangerous in the East

Raps18-19 Champ
11-04-2018, 01:52 PM
Still doesn't excuse his behavior. Be a professional, play the games, stop acting like an ******* and he would have gotten his max deal in FA next year. Not playing back to backs, causing **** in the locker room, etc won't endear you to teams when it comes time to move elsewhere.

I don't know what Minnesota can expect back in trade either. I understood how good of a player Butler is but he's becoming a major distraction.

Well why do you care?

It's a distraction and he should scale it back a bit but it's based on honesty. I like it. Much rather prefer this than those guys who scheme all year long to say the right things.

Tg11
11-04-2018, 02:21 PM
Butler to the Suns or to the Magic or Wizards would be probably one of the most surprising destinations to go to but he would make any of those teams better

Cal827
11-04-2018, 03:06 PM
Butler to the Suns or to the Magic or Wizards would be probably one of the most surprising destinations to go to but he would make any of those teams better

I think the Wizards could be interesting, but which would you deal out? They clearly didn't want to trade him for role players and a bunch of unprotected firsts... I think it would mean either Wall or Beal gets sent the other way (doubt they'll take on Porter's contract too).

AllBall
11-04-2018, 03:24 PM
I wish this **** would hurry up and end. Get him Pat.


Pat obviously trying to hold on to as many assets as possibly also bring in someone like Kemba Wall or Beal with Jimmy but damn, this is going on like 2 months now.

Don't hold your breath. Miami has never made an in season trade before January. Ever.

WaDe03
11-04-2018, 03:41 PM
Don't hold your breath. Miami has never made an in season trade before January. Ever.

Guess weíll continue to pile up the Ls in the meantime lol!

Tg11
11-04-2018, 03:58 PM
I think the Wizards could be interesting, but which would you deal out? They clearly didn't want to trade him for role players and a bunch of unprotected firsts... I think it would mean either Wall or Beal gets sent the other way (doubt they'll take on Porter's contract too).

I would trade him for Beal, Oubre, 1st round protected pick 2019 and Ian Mahimi

metswon69
11-04-2018, 06:18 PM
Well why do you care?

It's a distraction and he should scale it back a bit but it's based on honesty. I like it. Much rather prefer this than those guys who scheme all year long to say the right things.

Because its bad optics. You shouldn't give players the impression that they are bigger than the league. If you allow for that type of leash, future stars who are unhappy will only take it a step further.

Not to mention, it doesn't help him either. If he's a model citizen, he's much more likely to get a max deal in FA. All he's doing now is hurting his value because of the perception of how selfish he is and how much of a distraction he can be.

Tg11
11-04-2018, 06:21 PM
Butler to the Pacers would be another attractive option; Oladipo and Butler as his co-star as the #2 in Indy they would actually look good

WaDe03
11-04-2018, 06:30 PM
Butler to the Pacers would be another attractive option; Oladipo and Butler as his co-star as the #2 in Indy they would actually look good

Jimmy is better than Oladipo lol.

Tg11
11-04-2018, 06:39 PM
Jimmy is better than Oladipo lol.

Yeah I know but you pair the both of them together in Indiana that actually would be an interesting duo in the frontcourt

ewing
11-04-2018, 06:49 PM
Butler to the Pacers would be another attractive option; Oladipo and Butler as his co-star as the #2 in Indy they would actually look good

Iíd love to see those two together. Neither guy is the prettiest player but both skilled and tough as nails


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FlashBolt
11-04-2018, 07:17 PM
Jimmy is better than Oladipo lol.

that's becoming more and more of a question mark right now. I would rather have oladipo now and the future.

Tg11
11-04-2018, 07:28 PM
Then you could always send Butler to the Pelicans and pair him up with AD

WaDe03
11-04-2018, 07:29 PM
that's becoming more and more of a question mark right now. I would rather have oladipo now and the future.

Nah I donít think so. PG vs Oladipo is a closer comparison I think. Jimmy is clear cut ahead of both and a top 10 player.

specialiststeve
11-04-2018, 09:52 PM
Nah I donít think so. PG vs Oladipo is a closer comparison I think. Jimmy is clear cut ahead of both and a top 10 player.

I have always been a Butler fan ... until this soap opera. That being said Jimmy is a top 20 player but not top 10

Curry
Durrant
Greek Freek
Lillard
Westbrook
LeBron
Embiid
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He is somewhere after those guys... and with Kemba, Derozen, Beal, Griffin, Oladipo, Wall, Thompson, Jokic...... at least as I see it....

FlashBolt
11-04-2018, 10:02 PM
I have always been a Butler fan ... until this soap opera. That being said Jimmy is a top 20 player but not top 10

Curry
Durrant
Greek Freek
Lillard
Westbrook
LeBron
Embiid
Kahwi
Towns
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He is somewhere after those guys... and with Kemba, Derozen, Beal, Griffin, Oladipo, Wall, Thompson, Jokic...... at least as I see it....

towns top ten? that's a first.

IndyRealist
11-04-2018, 10:41 PM
Nah I donít think so. PG vs Oladipo is a closer comparison I think. Jimmy is clear cut ahead of both and a top 10 player.

Jimmy is the better basketball player, but I'll take Oladipo over Butler + the headaches that come with Butler.

WaDe03
11-04-2018, 10:55 PM
I have always been a Butler fan ... until this soap opera. That being said Jimmy is a top 20 player but not top 10

Curry
Durrant
Greek Freek
Lillard
Westbrook
LeBron
Embiid
Kahwi
Towns
------------------

He is somewhere after those guys... and with Kemba, Derozen, Beal, Griffin, Oladipo, Wall, Thompson, Jokic...... at least as I see it....

Heís far better than Towns and heís better than Embiid. Lillard is close as I think heís proably top 10 now too.

No order:

LeBron
Durant
Curry
Harden
AD
Kawhi
Jimmy
Giannis
Westbrook
Lillard

Raps18-19 Champ
11-04-2018, 11:30 PM
Because its bad optics. You shouldn't give players the impression that they are bigger than the league. If you allow for that type of leash, future stars who are unhappy will only take it a step further.

Not to mention, it doesn't help him either. If he's a model citizen, he's much more likely to get a max deal in FA. All he's doing now is hurting his value because of the perception of how selfish he is and how much of a distraction he can be.

Im still not following why you care so muh about him not bejng a model citizen, not looking attractive to future teams as a max fa, etc. If he hurts his value, let him.

This is something I would expect a mom to tell her kid to get a good paying job. Otherwise who cares what butler doesnt in relation to apealing to other teams

metswon69
11-05-2018, 12:21 AM
Im still not following why you care so muh about him not bejng a model citizen, not looking attractive to future teams as a max fa, etc. If he hurts his value, let him.

This is something I would expect a mom to tell her kid to get a good paying job. Otherwise who cares what butler doesnt in relation to apealing to other teams

I thought i stated as much in my first paragraph. I don't want to see a trend in professional sports where players think they are bigger than the team or the league. Nor do I want to see a precedent where players stomp their feet to get what they want. He's a man, not a child.

Its bad optics for professional sports. As for Jimmy Butler himself, if he wants to act like an ******* then he should be treated like one. I don't care about him in particular. I care about what kind of attitude this "look at me generation" is setting and I'm only 3 years old than Butler so its not this old man screaming at kids on his front lawn.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-05-2018, 12:32 AM
I thought i stated as much in my first paragraph. I don't want to see a trend in professional sports where players think they are bigger than the team or the league. Nor do I want to see a precedent where players stomp their feet to get what they want. He's a man, not a child.

Its bad optics for professional sports. As for Jimmy Butler himself, if he wants to act like an ******* then he should be treated like one. I don't care about him in particular. I care about what kind of attitude this "look at me generation" is setting and I'm only 3 years old than Butler so its not this old man screaming at kids on his front lawn.

I didnt really think the 2 paragraphs (ie he should stop because its a bad example vs ie he should stop so he can get paid and be appeaing to other teams) were related.

But i dont think him bejng a distraction is his intent. Its a byproduct of his honesty. Players have been schemjng their way for years so I dont really see how him being upfront abiut it as him being above the leage/team but guys like kawhi/lebrln/durant/etc who were just as big of a distraction werent.

Alayla
11-05-2018, 12:47 AM
I have always been a Butler fan ... until this soap opera. That being said Jimmy is a top 20 player but not top 10

Curry
Durrant
Greek Freek
Lillard
Westbrook
LeBron
Embiid
Kahwi
Towns
------------------

He is somewhere after those guys... and with Kemba, Derozen, Beal, Griffin, Oladipo, Wall, Thompson, Jokic...... at least as I see it....

Towns is not a top 10 player and isn't even the best player on his team.

specialiststeve
11-05-2018, 05:27 PM
Towns is not a top 10 player and isn't even the best player on his team.

Towns this year has been a bit of a disappointment but has top 10 talent. Needs to get tougher though. List are always subjective so depending on who you watch on a regular basis tends to lean you in a direction.

Basing most of assessment on last year.... and understand he has not played to this level this year but with the soap opera that is playing is a bit understandable.... at least to me.

2017....
7th in minutes played...
tied for 3rd in total rebounds
Tied for 8th in Blocks
1st in personal fouls :)
12th in total points
12th in FG%
9th in true shooting %

Love Jimmy but he is not close to him in stats piled up.....
Jimmy does play defense at a level that KAT does not consistently do and that would be the only thing he really does better.... a big one though.....

WaDe03
11-05-2018, 05:32 PM
Towns this year has been a bit of a disappointment but has top 10 talent. Needs to get tougher though. List are always subjective so depending on who you watch on a regular basis tends to lean you in a direction.

Basing most of assessment on last year.... and understand he has not played to this level this year but with the soap opera that is playing is a bit understandable.... at least to me.

2017....
7th in minutes played...
tied for 3rd in total rebounds
Tied for 8th in Blocks
1st in personal fouls :)
12th in total points
12th in FG%
9th in true shooting %

Love Jimmy but he is not close to him in stats piled up.....
Jimmy does play defense at a level that KAT does not consistently do and that would be the only thing he really does better.... a big one though.....

Jimmy is far better than Towns man itís literally not even close. That team was a top 3 seed in the west until Jimmy went down with injury. Also just look at their numbers with and without Jimmy. Heís the best and most impactful player on that team by a long shot.

FlashBolt
11-05-2018, 06:49 PM
talent is hard to pinpoint these days. lots of very talented players but not many can truly carry a team. Towns looks and seems soft. That will never change. Watching him get physically and mentally bullied by Jimmy Butler is comical.

specialiststeve
11-05-2018, 09:35 PM
Understand your line of thinking but statistics would say that he (Towns) is a top 10 player.. As far as Never changing from being soft.... they said the same things about Durant years ago..... you do understand he is 22 years old correct? Amazing he was a top 3 rebounder and top 8 in block shots as a soft player...... You do appear a bit misinformed....

Remind me when he "physically" bullied him as I missed that.

specialiststeve
11-05-2018, 09:40 PM
Jimmy is far better than Towns man itís literally not even close. That team was a top 3 seed in the west until Jimmy went down with injury. Also just look at their numbers with and without Jimmy. Heís the best and most impactful player on that team by a long shot.

Lets see...without Jimmy in 2016 he scored 25 points a game, 12 rebounds a game, 1.3 blocks per game, and shot 54% from the field.... Umm respectfully Jimmy has not done that yet.... so saying he isn't anything without Jimmy is just not true..... and I like Jimmy. You guys clearly have not Towns play on a regular basis. He is special.

WaDe03
11-06-2018, 01:02 AM
Lets see...without Jimmy in 2016 he scored 25 points a game, 12 rebounds a game, 1.3 blocks per game, and shot 54% from the field.... Umm respectfully Jimmy has not done that yet.... so saying he isn't anything without Jimmy is just not true..... and I like Jimmy. You guys clearly have not Towns play on a regular basis. He is special.

Iím talking about the team. Towns put up empty stats on a bottom team in the league. Jimmy comes and theyíre the 3rd seed until he goes down with injury. Jimmy is also an elite defender and Towns sucks there. Itís literally Jimmy by a landslide. Theyíre nowhere close. Towns is soft as **** too.

WaDe03
11-06-2018, 01:03 AM
Understand your line of thinking but statistics would say that he (Towns) is a top 10 player.. As far as Never changing from being soft.... they said the same things about Durant years ago..... you do understand he is 22 years old correct? Amazing he was a top 3 rebounder and top 8 in block shots as a soft player...... You do appear a bit misinformed....

Remind me when he "physically" bullied him as I missed that.

In practice when Jimmy took the 3rd string and beat the starters while also locking up towns to the point reporters said he was absolutely embarrassed by the end of practice. Towns couldnít post Jimmy up and had to kick it back out every time. Towns has been overrated for awhile now.

FlashBolt
11-06-2018, 01:34 AM
Understand your line of thinking but statistics would say that he (Towns) is a top 10 player.. As far as Never changing from being soft.... they said the same things about Durant years ago..... you do understand he is 22 years old correct? Amazing he was a top 3 rebounder and top 8 in block shots as a soft player...... You do appear a bit misinformed....

Remind me when he "physically" bullied him as I missed that.

With the way the league has been lately, statistics aren't really doing it for me anymore. Especially when you're on a team that really isn't expected to win. Actually, they never said Durant was soft. It was more of him being quiet but the dude was an absolute killer on the court. Very clutch early into his career. 22 years old, yes. And? You don't just change personalities. Kawhi will always be quiet, Curry will always be playful, and Towns and Wiggins will always be players who are just happy to make money and play well. Top 3 rebounder and 8 blocks shots means he isn't soft? Pau Gasol was very soft and had that reputation but he was still a very great player. Actually, I'd rather have Pau at his prime than Towns even though Towns put up better numbers.

Physically bullied him was when Jimmy B was defending Towns in the post and Towns kicked the ball back out.

Also, why do you say I'm misinformed? It's literally the masses opinion when it comes to Towns. I'm not the first one to call him soft nor think he isn't top 10. Heck, which Minny fan here truly thinks he's top 10 right now? My point is, you can't think I'm the minority here. I'm the majority because this is what is being reported. Not by me, but by NBA-related folks.

FlashBolt
11-06-2018, 01:38 AM
Lets see...without Jimmy in 2016 he scored 25 points a game, 12 rebounds a game, 1.3 blocks per game, and shot 54% from the field.... Umm respectfully Jimmy has not done that yet.... so saying he isn't anything without Jimmy is just not true..... and I like Jimmy. You guys clearly have not Towns play on a regular basis. He is special.

Let's see... and won 31 games. Wow, nice. A win rate of 37% for a top ten player? Really? Listen, anyone can put up numbers in the NBA. We've been seeing that become the trend for a few years now. Guys averaging insane triple doubles, insane point totals, and lovely numbers across the stat-sheet. Come talk to me when they're doing that while being an actual contender in the playoffs. Cousins and Love are two prime examples of players who stat-stuffed the hell out of the box score but never even made the playoffs. Towns never made the playoffs until Jimmy Butler (consensus All-NBA level defender and top 12 player) joined the team.

IndyRealist
11-06-2018, 09:36 AM
I don't have an opinion on Towns, but Myles Turner is #2 in blocks and he's charmin soft.

Scoots
11-06-2018, 11:58 AM
Towns is a major disappointment. His defense has been largely bad, and while his offense has generally been very good his effort has been really inconsistent. There are similar issues with Jokic but I'd take Jokic any day over Towns right now.

Hawkeye15
11-06-2018, 12:15 PM
Towns is a major disappointment. His defense has been largely bad, and while his offense has generally been very good his effort has been really inconsistent. There are similar issues with Jokic but I'd take Jokic any day over Towns right now.

Yeah I couldn't be more disappointed with Towns this year. He is just sulking around and by now, should have taken the leadership reigns of the team. He is being pushed around by the team bully (Butler), and trading him away doesn't solve the huge personality fault Towns has-he isn't an alpha. Worse, he thinks he is. You can't be in year 4 and not contribute if you aren't scoring. You can't be in year 4 and not learn how to defend. Towns will always churn out wonderful offensive stats, and he will win some games for you, but he is not a #1. No way. And that is very disappointing.

What hurts worse, is he and Wiggins were given a zillion dollars, and it's so ****ing clear we aren't going anywhere with them as our 1-2. We also traded away most our assets to get Butler, so this Wolves team, is what it is. Mediocre at best when Towns/Wiggins mature.

Like, grow some ****ing balls Towns, and take the team. I remember KG had a rep of being a tough guy tunil a real tough guy got into his face. Towns is like that, but on steroids. So sick of this younger generation and their "feelings".

beasted86
11-06-2018, 01:18 PM
Wonder if Minnesota will look back and feel stupid not taking the Richardson deal when he seems to be having a breakout year.

Small sample size, but his scoring is way up. His assisted percentage is way down. He's clearly creating more scoring for himself along with very good defense. His age closer fits the timeline of Wiggins and Towns. And his small salary offsets the overpay of Wiggins... essentially $35M between your two starting wings, not horrible.

AllBall
11-06-2018, 01:23 PM
I don't want to move JRich. He needs to stay. We can pair him with another star later. I want to see a 40+ point game from him, it's very attainable, he just needs to keep at it and I know we'll see it.

Hawkeye15
11-06-2018, 01:24 PM
Wonder if Minnesota will look back and feel stupid not taking the Richardson deal when he seems to be having a breakout year.

Small sample size, but his scoring is way up. His assisted percentage is way down. He's clearly creating more scoring for himself along with very good defense. His age closer fits the timeline of Wiggins and Towns. And his small salary offsets the overpay of Wiggins... essentially $35M between your two starting wings, not horrible.

at this point, the Wolves stupidity knows no boundaries. At this point, the way Butler is acting (taking every other game off, being a dick to media, being a drama queen), what GM trades for him?

Butler and Rose dribble around jacking shot after shot, Towns gets 11 attempts a night, Wiggins sucks, the defense is a joke, and the entire team is in a holding pattern. I can guarantee you there has never been less interest in at Wolves team in MN. Ever. I have watched 3 games, and they are lifeless. **** this team.

Hawkeye15
11-06-2018, 01:25 PM
I don't want to move JRich. He needs to stay. We can pair him with another star later. I want to see a 40+ point game from him, it's very attainable, he just needs to keep at it and I know we'll see it.

what GM doesn't ask themselves, "man, if things go south in year 2 of a big deal, do we really want to deal with the toxicity Butler clearly is capable of?"

I wouldn't touch Butler to be honest.

beasted86
11-06-2018, 01:45 PM
what GM doesn't ask themselves, "man, if things go south in year 2 of a big deal, do we really want to deal with the toxicity Butler clearly is capable of?"

I wouldn't touch Butler to be honest.

I would still trade for him, but it would be contracts I don't even want on the HEAT. Like I'd do Waiters and Winslow and 1st: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yatuaodn

Final offer if I'm Riley.

AllBall
11-06-2018, 02:05 PM
what GM doesn't ask themselves, "man, if things go south in year 2 of a big deal, do we really want to deal with the toxicity Butler clearly is capable of?"

I wouldn't touch Butler to be honest.

There's a few organizations that can easily handle him. Heat, Spurs, C's and the like.

Vinylman
11-06-2018, 05:11 PM
what GM doesn't ask themselves, "man, if things go south in year 2 of a big deal, do we really want to deal with the toxicity Butler clearly is capable of?"

I wouldn't touch Butler to be honest.

I thought his value was suppose to increase once the season started lol

valade16
11-06-2018, 05:16 PM
I thought his value was suppose to increase once the season started lol

Yeah is value seems to only be going down at this point.

Hawkeye15
11-06-2018, 05:18 PM
I thought his value was suppose to increase once the season started lol

It may have temporarily gone up, he showed his wrist injury is nothing, but at this point, every day creates negative value. Who wants his dramaqueen personality at this point? He isn't on LeBron's level, you clearly need him paired with another player of his caliber to contend, and he clearly has demonstrated he isn't interested in being a team player.

The only benefit from all of this, is we now see how fragile Towns is mentally. Unfortunately, we just signed him to a supermax deal, so we get to live with his pretend-alpha nature for the next 5 years.

Hawkeye15
11-06-2018, 05:18 PM
Yeah is value seems to only be going down at this point.

the radio guy here nicknamed him "General Soreness" haha

Hawkeye15
11-06-2018, 05:21 PM
There's a few organizations that can easily handle him. Heat, Spurs, C's and the like.

I mean, the Spurs couldn't handle the quiet, better KL...
Not sure how you think anyone like Butler will just fall into line because of a front office. He can't help himself. The only way he gets more annoying at this point is if he starts referring to himself in the 3rd person. Which is likely not far off

WaDe03
11-06-2018, 05:39 PM
Thing is, JRich is the exact type of contract Minny needs if they want to be competitive with Towns and Wiggins making so much money.

JRich has been better than Tatum, Ingram, Brown, Ball, Covington, etc. this year.

Hawkeye15
11-06-2018, 05:45 PM
Thing is, JRich is the exact type of contract Minny needs if they want to be competitive with Towns and Wiggins making so much money.

JRich has been better than Tatum, Ingram, Brown, Ball, Covington, etc. this year.

I don't disagree. Teams with 2 overpaid baby youngsters pretending to be stars could for sure use a real player making below value money.

beasted86
11-06-2018, 10:07 PM
Thing is, JRich is the exact type of contract Minny needs if they want to be competitive with Towns and Wiggins making so much money.

JRich has been better than Tatum, Ingram, Brown, Ball, Covington, etc. this year.

Of all the complaining you do about Riley.....
trading J Rich at this point for a lockeroom terror with injury history, 3/4 season remaining, and looking for a $35M contract would be the downright dumbest move he could make.

Richardson should be off the table completely.

AllBall
11-06-2018, 10:30 PM
I mean, the Spurs couldn't handle the quiet, better KL...
Not sure how you think anyone like Butler will just fall into line because of a front office. He can't help himself. The only way he gets more annoying at this point is if he starts referring to himself in the 3rd person. Which is likely not far off

They handled that quite well actually. He was away from the team and got booted in the summer for a reasonable return. Minimal circus. The Wolves should take a page from their playbook.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-06-2018, 11:03 PM
It may have temporarily gone up, he showed his wrist injury is nothing, but at this point, every day creates negative value. Who wants his dramaqueen personality at this point? He isn't on LeBron's level, you clearly need him paired with another player of his caliber to contend, and he clearly has demonstrated he isn't interested in being a team player.

The only benefit from all of this, is we now see how fragile Towns is mentally. Unfortunately, we just signed him to a supermax deal, so we get to live with his pretend-alpha nature for the next 5 years.

Too bad you have 2 1st overall picks and they're both *******,

beasted86
11-06-2018, 11:21 PM
People should stop saying Towns and Wiggins are garbage.

It's hyperbole. Neither are even sniffing top 100 all-time draft underachievers. The only problem with them is Minnesota overpaid. If Wiggins made Lavine money (4yr $78M) nobody would complain much. If Towns made $24-28M over this coming contract instead of $27-36M again, nobody would be saying anything.

Random rant but needed to say it.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-06-2018, 11:25 PM
People should stop saying Towns and Wiggins are garbage.

It's hyperbole. Neither are even sniffing top 100 all-time draft underachievers. The only problem with them is Minnesota overpaid. If Wiggins made Lavine money (4yr $78M) nobody would complain much. If Towns made $24-28M over this coming contract instead of $27-36M again, nobody would be saying anything.

Random rant but needed to say it.

I don't think they're bad. I think they're divas and play like a puss.

beasted86
11-06-2018, 11:35 PM
I don't think Wiggins is smart enough or dedicated to ever reach his full potential. Towns has hope. He wants within himself to still be the best, just doesn't know how to go about it yet. It's like he needs to figure out if he's a maxipad p***** or tampon p*****.

Stunner
11-06-2018, 11:48 PM
https://twitter.com/jonkrawczynski/status/1059998652779974658?s=21


https://twitter.com/jonkrawczynski/status/1059998850000281600?s=21



https://twitter.com/jonkrawczynski/status/1060000471086231552?s=21

AllBall
11-07-2018, 12:15 AM
People should stop saying Towns and Wiggins are garbage.

It's hyperbole. Neither are even sniffing top 100 all-time draft underachievers. The only problem with them is Minnesota overpaid. If Wiggins made Lavine money (4yr $78M) nobody would complain much. If Towns made $24-28M over this coming contract instead of $27-36M again, nobody would be saying anything.

Random rant but needed to say it.

Ultimately, this whole mess falls on Thibs. He doesn't know how to manage the personalities of today's NBA players or how to develop them. If Brad Stevens had this same cast of players, he would have everyone on the same page, buying in and acting right with each other.

FlashBolt
11-07-2018, 01:20 AM
Ultimately, this whole mess falls on Thibs. He doesn't know how to manage the personalities of today's NBA players or how to develop them. If Brad Stevens had this same cast of players, he would have everyone on the same page, buying in and acting right with each other.

Thibs coaching is obsolete. His defense ran well for the Bulls under a slower pace and less three point shooting but he has zero clue how to replicate that in today's game. I thought defense would improve but they're still garbage years later. The game changed but Thibs didn't and that is why you still see former Bulls players such as Deng, Rose, and Taj Gibson on the roster.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-07-2018, 08:21 AM
Wolves wont be winning anything with a core of KAT and Wiggins. Wolves be better off trading them two instead of Butler.

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 11:54 AM
I don't think Wiggins is smart enough or dedicated to ever reach his full potential. Towns has hope. He wants within himself to still be the best, just doesn't know how to go about it yet. It's like he needs to figure out if he's a maxipad p***** or tampon p*****.

I thought Towns had hope too, until I saw him sulking around like a complete baby this year. He seriously is acting like he is being bullied by Butler. He should have taken command of the team. Instead, he just sits off the the side, waiting for scraps.

VERY disappointed in Towns this year.

Wiggins, is a lost cause. You are right, if he were paid league average, I wouldn't even bring him up. But, he isn't. Not even close.

mngopher35
11-07-2018, 01:45 PM
I thought Towns had hope too, until I saw him sulking around like a complete baby this year. He seriously is acting like he is being bullied by Butler. He should have taken command of the team. Instead, he just sits off the the side, waiting for scraps.

VERY disappointed in Towns this year.

Wiggins, is a lost cause. You are right, if he were paid league average, I wouldn't even bring him up. But, he isn't. Not even close.

Ya I mean Towns definitely hasn't seemed quite like himself but I also don't think we can ignore how he has always been used and the extreme it has taken this year as we become more 3 pt focused. Thibs and his inability to manage players as gm/horribly outdated coaching needs to go. Until that happens Towns simply won't reach his potential even if he has the best attitude in the world. Granted I am with you in being dissapointed so far but I also can understand how a 23 year old in this situation constantly being used as a decoy on the court might be frustrated too and unfortunately let it show a bit.

Thibs built a team with guards/wings that need the ball/aren't really great spacers to create with the ball and get their stats while our best offensive player spaces for them. Towns average shot distance has hovered around 10 feet (moving slightly outward each year). Our jump from 30th in 3pt attempts to 15th is pretty much put completely on him and moving his game even more towards the perimeter (when it was already insanely frustrating how often thibs did this before this season). This year his average shot is 13.6 feet out as opposed to 9.8 or 10.3 like before. This is not something that is just because of Towns attitude but clearly a design by Thibs/offense on how we want the offense run. Hard to fully blame Towns when we have seen the defensive intensity actually rise and it just seems like he gets left out of the play far more often (non attitude related).

Andrew Wiggins and Derrick rose currently are the top two players in FGA per 36 minutes of guys who play. Then it is Butler and Towns follows in 4th on the team. Yup the All star, All NBA center who has been one of the only bright spots most of thibs time here (especially if you thought the butler trade had potential to end like this) is basically the 4th option being used as a spacer while Drose/Wiggins have free reign.

Thibs is the main issue for our team and the way Towns is used as well. He has been the main issue for us since the first couple months here and it has been quite evident even in just his coaching/rotations.

Forever35
11-07-2018, 01:51 PM
Butler's gone after the season...

C's get Jimmy...

Minny gets Brown, Terry, Yabs, Morris and a non-important pick/cash...

mngopher35
11-07-2018, 02:00 PM
Jimmy is far better than Towns man itís literally not even close. That team was a top 3 seed in the west until Jimmy went down with injury. Also just look at their numbers with and without Jimmy. Heís the best and most impactful player on that team by a long shot.

Jimmy Butler on court-off court
2018: +13.2
2019: -4.3

Towns on-off
2018: +13.5
2019: +3.6


This is what our team looks like with and without both Jimmy and Towns on the court since he got there. I think Butler is still the best player too so not arguing against that but Towns has a lot of impact on our team as well and is one of the more important pieces off ball in our offense. Obviously we are better with Jimmy here than without him, just like we would be better here with Towns than without. Towns was a top 20 player based on RPM last year and the 2nd biggest reason we were in that position (to Butler who was top 10).

Butler is the better player still right now but it isn't like some crazy gap that can't be overcome in the next few years either. Moving forward Towns is obviously the better/more important piece. Towns clearly has some issues of his own with his mentality/acting soft but that is nothing compared to the poor team attitude/aging concerns for Butler with his next big contract coming up too.

IndyRealist
11-07-2018, 02:22 PM
Wiggins is bad at any amount of money that puts him in your rotation.

valade16
11-07-2018, 02:27 PM
It's kind of crazy to see how far Towns' value has fallen after his first 2 seasons.

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 02:58 PM
Ya I mean Towns definitely hasn't seemed quite like himself but I also don't think we can ignore how he has always been used and the extreme it has taken this year as we become more 3 pt focused. Thibs and his inability to manage players as gm/horribly outdated coaching needs to go. Until that happens Towns simply won't reach his potential even if he has the best attitude in the world. Granted I am with you in being dissapointed so far but I also can understand how a 23 year old in this situation constantly being used as a decoy on the court might be frustrated too and unfortunately let it show a bit.

Thibs built a team with guards/wings that need the ball/aren't really great spacers to create with the ball and get their stats while our best offensive player spaces for them. Towns average shot distance has hovered around 10 feet (moving slightly outward each year). Our jump from 30th in 3pt attempts to 15th is pretty much put completely on him and moving his game even more towards the perimeter (when it was already insanely frustrating how often thibs did this before this season). This year his average shot is 13.6 feet out as opposed to 9.8 or 10.3 like before. This is not something that is just because of Towns attitude but clearly a design by Thibs/offense on how we want the offense run. Hard to fully blame Towns when we have seen the defensive intensity actually rise and it just seems like he gets left out of the play far more often (non attitude related).

Andrew Wiggins and Derrick rose currently are the top two players in FGA per 36 minutes of guys who play. Then it is Butler and Towns follows in 4th on the team. Yup the All star, All NBA center who has been one of the only bright spots most of thibs time here (especially if you thought the butler trade had potential to end like this) is basically the 4th option being used as a spacer while Drose/Wiggins have free reign.

Thibs is the main issue for our team and the way Towns is used as well. He has been the main issue for us since the first couple months here and it has been quite evident even in just his coaching/rotations.

past all the x's and o's, his body language is that of a man defeated. That is all I am saying. You don't want to see that from your future "star". Ever.

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 02:59 PM
Wiggins is bad at any amount of money that puts him in your rotation.

correct. I don't even bother bashing him anymore. It's like calling Trump an idiot. He kindly displays his ineptitude each and every game, no need for me to pile on.

FlashBolt
11-07-2018, 03:37 PM
Butler's gone after the season...

C's get Jimmy...

Minny gets Brown, Terry, Yabs, Morris and a non-important pick/cash...

Uhhhh, this is Butler's last season so he wouldn't even be on the Wolves.

Tg11
11-07-2018, 03:58 PM
Butler's gone after the season...

C's get Jimmy...

Minny gets Brown, Terry, Yabs, Morris and a non-important pick/cash...

As a Celtics fan I would welcome this trade

Oefarmy2005
11-07-2018, 04:38 PM
past all the x's and o's, his body language is that of a man defeated. That is all I am saying. You don't want to see that from your future "star". Ever.

This statement is so full of crap, it's not even funny. Please, take a minute and remember yourself at 22. Towns is a kid, literally. I would say a man/woman doesn't really get enough self confidence to withstand that type of pressure/bullying from an older coworker until 25-27. I mean, there are people that mature faster, but Towns is pretty much your "average" case. If it was Embiid or someone on another team and Towns just folded, I'd be concerned. But this is a guy that is a) you teammate b) has a lot of support from other players on your team(Timberbulls) c) Literally has your headcoach in the back pocket. Do you really think that Butler is the only one ragging on KAT in that locker room, considering we have a Thibs and a plethora of other Butler buddies in there? This is Minnesota we are talking about. The only good years this team has had were under Flip(both times) and even that was consistently thwarted by ineptitude by either the Owner, the FO or usually both. Towns is still the same player that literally touches the ball every 3 trips down the court this season. Has he had any drives to the basket/dunks this season? Not a lot if any, and that's not on him. I guarantee, if at least JBUTT(ideally him and Thibs) are off the team, KAT is putting up 25/15 on 25+PER and we are above .500. Once again, Towns is immature, but calling him weak mentally or otherwise is asinine.

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 04:46 PM
This statement is so full of crap, it's not even funny. Please, take a minute and remember yourself at 22. Towns is a kid, literally. I would say a man/woman doesn't really get enough self confidence to withstand that type of pressure/bullying from an older coworker until 25-27. I mean, there are people that mature faster, but Towns is pretty much your "average" case. If it was Embiid or someone on another team and Towns just folded, I'd be concerned. But this is a guy that is a) you teammate b) has a lot of support from other players on your team(Timberbulls) c) Literally has your headcoach in the back pocket. Do you really think that Butler is the only one ragging on KAT in that locker room, considering we have a Thibs and a plethora of other Butler buddies in there? This is Minnesota we are talking about. The only good years this team has had were under Flip(both times) and even that was consistently thwarted by ineptitude by either the Owner, the FO or usually both. Towns is still the same player that literally touches the ball every 3 trips down the court this season. Has he had any drives to the basket/dunks this season? Not a lot if any, and that's not on him. I guarantee, if at least JBUTT(ideally him and Thibs) are off the team, KAT is putting up 25/15 on 25+PER and we are above .500. Once again, Towns is immature, but calling him weak mentally or otherwise is asinine.

He has acted very weak mentally this year. Age is irrelevant. This is year 4, he just signed a super max. Asking to be taken out of a game, and not showing up to play mentally is unacceptable, if we are talking about a guy who we expect to be a superstar down the line.

I hate his body language this year, and he isn't showing potential superstar mentality. It started with is playoffs last year, and rolled over into this year. He is not showing the mental fortitude we need.

Superstar anything aren't regular 22 year olds. They are above and beyond their peers.

Hey maybe he shines once Butler leaves. But watching him so far this year, my expectations for him continue to drop. As I stated with Wiggins, I would love to be wrong. I have watched enough over the years to be confident in my opinions dude.

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 04:47 PM
all of this being said the Wolves had to sign Towns to as much money as they could for as long as they could. He is clearly the future, in comparison to Butler. Nothing wrong with being an all star who makes some all NBA teams. I thought he had top 2-3 player in his peak written all over him. I no longer think that.

I'm just so sick of finding excuses for Wolves players over the years. Sack up Towns, seriously.

FlashBolt
11-07-2018, 04:48 PM
He has acted very weak mentally this year. Age is irrelevant. This is year 4, he just signed a super max. Asking to be taken out of a game, and not showing up to play mentally is unacceptable, if we are talking about a guy who we expect to be a superstar down the line.

I hate his body language this year, and he isn't showing potential superstar mentality. It started with is playoffs last year, and rolled over into this year. He is not showing the mental fortitude we need.

Superstar anything aren't regular 22 year olds. They are above and beyond their peers.

Hey maybe he shines once Butler leaves. But watching him so far this year, my expectations for him continue to drop. As I stated with Wiggins, I would love to be wrong. I have watched enough over the years to be confident in my opinions dude.

This. If you get paid to be the max, it's up to you to grow up in the NBA and do what you're worth. He's been in the league for three years already. That's enough time to fix his garbage mentality. This Minny team was bad before Butler got there, too. Last season was the first they made the playoffs in how long? They weren't good with just KAT and they won't be at any time soon.

AllBall
11-07-2018, 05:09 PM
He has acted very weak mentally this year. Age is irrelevant. This is year 4, he just signed a super max. Asking to be taken out of a game, and not showing up to play mentally is unacceptable, if we are talking about a guy who we expect to be a superstar down the line.

I hate his body language this year, and he isn't showing potential superstar mentality. It started with is playoffs last year, and rolled over into this year. He is not showing the mental fortitude we need.

Superstar anything aren't regular 22 year olds. They are above and beyond their peers.

Hey maybe he shines once Butler leaves. But watching him so far this year, my expectations for him continue to drop. As I stated with Wiggins, I would love to be wrong. I have watched enough over the years to be confident in my opinions dude.

Meh, still the coaches fault. The right coach in there would have KAT with the right attitude and help him see things in a mature manner and guide him. GMs voted he was the player they'd most like to build around. Doubt that has changed because of the opinion of internet armchair player stock market analyst.

Oefarmy2005
11-07-2018, 05:10 PM
This. If you get paid to be the max, it's up to you to grow up in the NBA and do what you're worth. He's been in the league for three years already. That's enough time to fix his garbage mentality. This Minny team was bad before Butler got there, too. Last season was the first they made the playoffs in how long? They weren't good with just KAT and they won't be at any time soon.

I hate making excuses for the Wolves as much as the next guy, but I guess I am what I am. I have paid attention to the Wolves more in the first 11 games this year than I did all of last season. I guess I love the Wolves when they are dysfunctional. I think that Butler is just really tough to play with. I am pretty sure that most if not all of us at the Wolves part of the forum were really concerned about how Butler would fit in with Towns and Wiggins(yes, I will even make some excuses for that bum). There is a huge reason why Wiggins' three-throw rate is way down(well two) and they are called Jeff Teague and Jimmy Butler. If the Wolves were left intact, I think that while why would have been a .500 ish team last year, they would be a playoff team this year(albeit a year later), with Rubio, Lavine, Dunn, Bjelica, etc. Are Lavine/Bjelica(Lavine to a lesser degree) bums too since they didn't do much of anything while playing in Minnesota? All of this points to a couple of people high up in the organization and has nothing to do with players and their mental toughness or lack-there-off. I don't need to make any more excuses for my favorite basketball team than I have been making since I have become their fan in 1997 - Glen MotherFN Taylor.

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 05:12 PM
Meh, still the coaches fault. The right coach in there would have KAT with the right attitude and help him see things in a mature manner and guide him. GMs voted he was the player they'd most like to build around. Doubt that has changed because of the opinion of internet armchair player stock market analyst.

perhaps a new coach would help. I don't know. But Town's body language is very telling to me. He has 5.9 years to figure it out though.

part of it might be, I am so sick of watching my team squander careers, I assume even a glitch of negativity is the end of days when it comes to the Wolves. Prove me wrong Wolves. Just once, seriously. I am so sick of supporting this team, its like having a dipshit brother you need to keep defending, and eventually you still love him, but you are just done with his ****.

Oefarmy2005
11-07-2018, 05:14 PM
Dear Glen Taylor. Please make some stupid racist comment so that the state of Minnesota can take the Wolves can go to an ownership groups that actually knows something about sports? At this point, nothing is going to change until Taylor is gone one way or the other(and the good Christian that I am, I hope he lives a long healthy life).

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 05:15 PM
I hate making excuses for the Wolves as much as the next guy, but I guess I am what I am. I have paid attention to the Wolves more in the first 11 games this year than I did all of last season. I guess I love the Wolves when they are dysfunctional. I think that Butler is just really tough to play with. I am pretty sure that most if not all of us at the Wolves part of the forum were really concerned about how Butler would fit in with Towns and Wiggins(yes, I will even make some excuses for that bum). There is a huge reason why Wiggins' three-throw rate is way down(well two) and they are called Jeff Teague and Jimmy Butler. If the Wolves were left intact, I think that while why would have been a .500 ish team last year, they would be a playoff team this year(albeit a year later), with Rubio, Lavine, Dunn, Bjelica, etc. Are Lavine/Bjelica(Lavine to a lesser degree) bums too since they didn't do much of anything while playing in Minnesota? All of this points to a couple of people high up in the organization and has nothing to do with players and their mental toughness or lack-there-off. I don't need to make any more excuses for my favorite basketball team than I have been making since I have become their fan in 1997 - Glen MotherFN Taylor.

why are we in the main forums with this? We know each other.

Butler is for sure a huge root of the dysfunction right now, as is Thib's. Taylor is THE reason the Wolves are where they are.

Read my post above. Just so tired man. Since day 1 I have supported them. And now it looks to me like Towns may not have it either.

Fyi, Wiggins FTr was dropping by the middle of year 2. His aggressiveness was all that gave me hope early, then it went away. I am not blaming Thib's for Wiggins falling back straight into his scouting report haha.

Tg11
11-07-2018, 05:15 PM
Then who to hire and replace Thibs

Oefarmy2005
11-07-2018, 05:15 PM
perhaps a new coach would help. I don't know. But Town's body language is very telling to me. He has 5.9 years to figure it out though.

part of it might be, I am so sick of watching my team squander careers, I assume even a glitch of negativity is the end of days when it comes to the Wolves. Prove me wrong Wolves. Just once, seriously. I am so sick of supporting this team, its like having a dipshit brother you need to keep defending, and eventually you still love him, but you are just done with his ****.

Thankfully, Lavine plays for the Bulls now, so I can support another early lottery team. ;)

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 05:20 PM
Thankfully, Lavine plays for the Bulls now, so I can support another early lottery team. ;)

yeah he isn't salt in the wounds right now..

FlashBolt
11-07-2018, 05:38 PM
I hate making excuses for the Wolves as much as the next guy, but I guess I am what I am. I have paid attention to the Wolves more in the first 11 games this year than I did all of last season. I guess I love the Wolves when they are dysfunctional. I think that Butler is just really tough to play with. I am pretty sure that most if not all of us at the Wolves part of the forum were really concerned about how Butler would fit in with Towns and Wiggins(yes, I will even make some excuses for that bum). There is a huge reason why Wiggins' three-throw rate is way down(well two) and they are called Jeff Teague and Jimmy Butler. If the Wolves were left intact, I think that while why would have been a .500 ish team last year, they would be a playoff team this year(albeit a year later), with Rubio, Lavine, Dunn, Bjelica, etc. Are Lavine/Bjelica(Lavine to a lesser degree) bums too since they didn't do much of anything while playing in Minnesota? All of this points to a couple of people high up in the organization and has nothing to do with players and their mental toughness or lack-there-off. I don't need to make any more excuses for my favorite basketball team than I have been making since I have become their fan in 1997 - Glen MotherFN Taylor.
It's not the owners fault Towns and Wiggins haven't improved as players. He's not a good owner but you have two players getting paid to lead a team and all I've seen is two players who seem more concerned about winning Fortnite games.

Silent
11-07-2018, 05:52 PM
It's not the owners fault Towns and Wiggins haven't improved as players. He's not a good owner but you have two players getting paid to lead a team and all I've seen is two players who seem more concerned about winning Fortnite games.

:laugh:

AllBall
11-07-2018, 06:03 PM
Then who to hire and replace Thibs

Now we're asking the right questions. If I was a Wolves fan I'd register firethibs.com or thibodeaumustgo.com and get a petition going, lol.

Hawkeye15
11-07-2018, 06:12 PM
Then who to hire and replace Thibs

me

Oefarmy2005
11-07-2018, 06:46 PM
It's not the owners fault Towns and Wiggins haven't improved as players. He's not a good owner but you have two players getting paid to lead a team and all I've seen is two players who seem more concerned about winning Fortnite games.

Really? I take it you go to work, come home and do nothing but think about work/do work outside of work too? That's the quickest way to go insane. Do you think Butler is in the gym 24/7. Playing Fortnite is no different than doing any other leisurely activity. Now if he is playing so late that it impacts his job(aka his game), then it's a problem. Nobody would even know about them playing Fortnite if it wasn't 2018. I'll take a guy playing Fortnite over drinking/smoking pot for recreation, any day of the week.

FlashBolt
11-07-2018, 11:36 PM
Really? I take it you go to work, come home and do nothing but think about work/do work outside of work too? That's the quickest way to go insane. Do you think Butler is in the gym 24/7. Playing Fortnite is no different than doing any other leisurely activity. Now if he is playing so late that it impacts his job(aka his game), then it's a problem. Nobody would even know about them playing Fortnite if it wasn't 2018. I'll take a guy playing Fortnite over drinking/smoking pot for recreation, any day of the week.

Dude, I don't know who you're arguing with. Even Minny fans think Towns and Wiggins are soft. You're arguing with the wrong person on the other end of the spectrum here. Towns and Wiggins haven't improved, period. I'm not saying they can't play games. Read. I said they care more about those games than their career and that becomes a problem.

ewing
11-08-2018, 01:36 AM
Meh, still the coaches fault. The right coach in there would have KAT with the right attitude and help him see things in a mature manner and guide him. GMs voted he was the player they'd most like to build around. Doubt that has changed because of the opinion of internet armchair player stock market analyst.

Thatís not why there opinion has changed but Iím sure it has


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Saddletramp
11-08-2018, 02:02 AM
correct. I don't even bother bashing him anymore. It's like calling Trump an idiot. He kindly displays his ineptitude each and every game, no need for me to pile on.

Yeah, but is half the fan base still rabidly behind him for some inane reason?

FlashBolt
11-08-2018, 02:07 AM
In Trump's defense, he was not the ideal candidate but pulled off the perfect campaign to win the presidency despite being given little to no chance of winning it. I'd say he's not that much of an idiot.

Saddletramp
11-08-2018, 02:38 AM
In Trump's defense, he was not the ideal candidate but pulled off the perfect campaign to win the presidency despite being given little to no chance of winning it. I'd say he's not that much of an idiot.

Sure.....lying to easily dupable rubes whoíll believe in practically anything and then adding in fascism and racism......sure.

FlashBolt
11-08-2018, 02:49 AM
Sure.....lying to easily dupable rubes whoíll believe in practically anything and then adding in fascism and racism......sure.

Again, you can be salty all you want but he pulled it off. Political differences aside, it's your opinion. If you're a liberal or conservative, I can care less. On a more serious note, what do you think EVERY politician does? How many actually do as they say? NONE of them. They're all trying to get into the office even if it means deceiving to get there.

Tg11
11-08-2018, 09:21 AM
Or I would do a sign and trade by trading Ingram, Kuzma, Ball and draft picks to Minnesota for Jimmy Butler straight up; Butler goes to LA and pairs up with LeBron...you shift Butler to the 2 at SG, LeBron at the 3 at SF, Rondo as your PG at the 1, JaVale as your PF at the 4 and Tyson Chandler as your 5 at the C position...it really makes sense and Minnesota gets younger by adding Ingram, Kuzma and Ball

Vinylman
11-08-2018, 10:24 AM
Or I would do a sign and trade by trading Ingram, Kuzma, Ball and draft picks to Minnesota for Jimmy Butler straight up; Butler goes to LA and pairs up with LeBron...you shift Butler to the 2 at SG, LeBron at the 3 at SF, Rondo as your PG at the 1, JaVale as your PF at the 4 and Tyson Chandler as your 5 at the C position...it really makes sense and Minnesota gets younger by adding Ingram, Kuzma and Ball

lmfao is this some sort of joke? I doubt the Lakers would give up Ball and a 1st at this point for jimmy buckets... They could have easily gotten KL for that package last summer.

PSDÖ where delusion runs rampant

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-09-2018, 11:34 AM
all of this being said the Wolves had to sign Towns to as much money as they could for as long as they could. He is clearly the future, in comparison to Butler. Nothing wrong with being an all star who makes some all NBA teams. I thought he had top 2-3 player in his peak written all over him. I no longer think that.

I'm just so sick of finding excuses for Wolves players over the years. Sack up Towns, seriously.

KAT and Wiggins sacks been stepped on in that Butler scrimmage.

Hawkeye15
11-09-2018, 11:51 AM
KAT and Wiggins sacks been stepped on in that Butler scrimmage.

well then he knows where to find it

TheDish87
11-09-2018, 12:43 PM
Or I would do a sign and trade by trading Ingram, Kuzma, Ball and draft picks to Minnesota for Jimmy Butler straight up; Butler goes to LA and pairs up with LeBron...you shift Butler to the 2 at SG, LeBron at the 3 at SF, Rondo as your PG at the 1, JaVale as your PF at the 4 and Tyson Chandler as your 5 at the C position...it really makes sense and Minnesota gets younger by adding Ingram, Kuzma and Ball

in what world does McGee and Chandler make sense as a starting front court?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-09-2018, 01:32 PM
in what world does McGee and Chandler make sense as a starting front court?

I know right. McGee and Chandler are close to be playing in China or BIG3.

Vinylman
11-09-2018, 04:02 PM
I know right. McGee and Chandler are close to be playing in China or BIG3.

you mock a guy for a stupid post yet post the above? SMFH

ewing
11-09-2018, 04:43 PM
in what world does McGee and Chandler make sense as a starting front court?

Maybe the same as Simmons and Fultz in a back court


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TheDish87
11-09-2018, 04:48 PM
Maybe the same as Simmons and Fultz in a back court


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stop it.

Saddletramp
11-10-2018, 02:38 AM
Eric Gordon is so afraid of being traded that itís really showing in his game. Heís been hurt the last week but heís been awful this year. Hope this stuff ends soon.



Again, you can be salty all you want but he pulled it off. Political differences aside, it's your opinion. If you're a liberal or conservative, I can care less. On a more serious note, what do you think EVERY politician does? How many actually do as they say? NONE of them. They're all trying to get into the office even if it means deceiving to get there.

None? Címon.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 10:27 AM
Maybe the same as Simmons and Fultz in a back court


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76ers do need shooters badly. I bet they miss Ersan and Belinelli.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 10:30 AM
you mock a guy for a stupid post yet post the above? SMFH

Chandler is a walking corpse at this point. McGee the same old knucklehead since the old days of Wizards and Nuggets. McGee good for a couple dunks and a block but I wouldn't get all excited over them two. Heck your hyping them like their prime SHAQ or Howard.

Vinylman
11-10-2018, 11:20 AM
Chandler is a walking corpse at this point. McGee the same old knucklehead since the old days of Wizards and Nuggets. McGee good for a couple dunks and a block but I wouldn't get all excited over them two. Heck your hyping them like their prime SHAQ or Howard.

You are beyond ignorant... I haven't said they are anything special but if you don't see the ignorance of your post "Big 3 / China" then you are truly clueless



enjoy your bubble...

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 11:31 AM
You are beyond ignorant... I haven't said they are anything special but if you don't see the ignorance of your post "Big 3 / China" then you are truly clueless



enjoy your bubble...

Aww Laker fans get so moody. Heck if McGee or Chandler were on the Bucks you would of had them thrown under the bus in some stupid snicker jokes.

AllBall
11-10-2018, 11:38 AM
Day 54

and counting...

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 12:09 PM
Day 54

and counting...

Its been 54 days since Butler asked to be traded? Damn.

1061260455140880385

I think the longer Wolves wait to trade him the worst the offers get. Cause plenty of other teams losing and may blow it up like Wizards,Cavs,Magic,Mavs. I'm sure some teams rather offer more if Beal is on the block cause hes locked in a few more years. Where Butler be a UFA and maybe chasing the money as in 5/$190M.

WaDe03
11-10-2018, 01:47 PM
Jimmy to PHilly, wow Iím ****ing pissed but congrats to MTM thedish and Warfelg I think you are now the best in the East

Stunner
11-10-2018, 01:47 PM
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1061313889344856066?s=21

warfelg
11-10-2018, 01:48 PM
Jimmy to PHilly, wow Iím ****ing pissed but congrats to MTM thedish and Warfelg I think you are now the best in the East

Very much depends what we give up.

warfelg
11-10-2018, 01:49 PM
Embut. Hehe.

warfelg
11-10-2018, 01:49 PM
RoCo and Dario

WaDe03
11-10-2018, 01:51 PM
Very much depends what we give up.

Looks like Covington and Saric so far you got Patton and a 2nd round pick too.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 01:52 PM
Wow its a done deal? I was just gonna post this. 1061305101170679808

Sounds like talks get started around Saric,Roco and two firsts. Then mentioned later Ya could sub out Saric for Fultz.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 01:54 PM
1061315746444312577

No first round picks? Man Wolves got robbed.

warfelg
11-10-2018, 01:54 PM
Looks like Covington and Saric so far you got Patton and a 2nd round pick too.

A 2022 2nd

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 01:54 PM
1061315170524372992

WaDe03
11-10-2018, 01:55 PM
I mean **** they could probably trade for Love if they really wanted to.

warfelg
11-10-2018, 01:56 PM
This is reportedly the same deal we offered for Kawhi.

WaDe03
11-10-2018, 01:56 PM
**** Pat Riley!

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 01:57 PM
1061316374616776704

warfelg
11-10-2018, 01:58 PM
And we ditched Jerryd Bayless.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 01:58 PM
This is reportedly the same deal we offered for Kawhi.

Pops was smart and declined as well. Ya still should of gave up Simmons for Kawhi. Embiid,Kawhi,Butler would be *****ing awesome.

warfelg
11-10-2018, 01:59 PM
And jimmy wants to sign long term!!!!

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 02:00 PM
**** Pat Riley!

Plenty of teams dropped the ball. 76ers got away cheap. Curious if Taylor drew the line and said today its done call anybody. Pat shouldn't of called Thibs a mother ****er. hahahahah

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 02:01 PM
And jimmy wants to sign long term!!!!

He always wanted that 5/$190M super max. Wolves didn't want to give it.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 02:04 PM
1061317813518852096

ewing
11-10-2018, 02:05 PM
Wow, big time move for the Sixers. Sixers D is sick and Jimmy one on one ability isnít as effected by their spacing issues. On the other hand he isnít exactly a ball mover so the Sixers will probably be a little iso heavy. Should be interesting


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warfelg
11-10-2018, 02:05 PM
On the flip side of this deal:
Teague
Wiggins
RoCo
Saric
KAT

AllBall
11-10-2018, 02:35 PM
**** Pat Riley!

I mean, Houston made a better trade offer. Philly put out the cheapest of all reported offers made and the Wolves took it, lol. So much for logic. Good for Philly, Minnesota is a clown show.

IndyRealist
11-10-2018, 03:33 PM
Houston offered the most picks, Miami likely offered the highest upside, but Philly offered the most win-now pieces that would fit next to the rest of their roster. They actually have spacing now. And a deal got done without moving Dieng, after hearing every day for two months now that it was the only way a deal would get done.

AllBall
11-10-2018, 04:17 PM
Houston offered the most picks, Miami likely offered the highest upside, but Philly offered the most win-now pieces that would fit next to the rest of their roster. They actually have spacing now. And a deal got done without moving Dieng, after hearing every day for two months now that it was the only way a deal would get done.

lol, thanks for reminding me that the Kings and the Suns were also in the mix as a 3rd team to relieve them of Dieng.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-10-2018, 04:23 PM
And we ditched Jerryd Bayless.

Ditched him? Waived Bayless?

warfelg
11-10-2018, 04:52 PM
Ditched him? Waived Bayless?

Going to Minny in the trade.

Saddletramp
11-10-2018, 05:29 PM
Eric Gordon is so afraid of being traded that itís really showing in his game. Heís been hurt the last week but heís been awful this year. Hope this stuff ends soon.




None? Címon.

Hah! They mustíve read my post from last night.

Scoots
11-11-2018, 12:34 AM
He got his wish.