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Hawkeye15
10-17-2018, 09:57 PM
True. But once you get used to the Heat, -50 windchill is far worse.

Lived in Houston/Galveston for 19 years. I disagree. I HATE the heat. It only drops below 0 windchill a month total over the winter. While 50 below has happened you only see that extreme every 10 years or so

IndyRealist
10-17-2018, 10:01 PM
Lived in Houston/Galveston for 19 years. I disagree. I HATE the heat. It only drops below 0 windchill a month total over the winter. While 50 below has happened you only see that extreme every 10 years or so

I'd rather see -50 once a decade than a hurricane once a decade.

Hawkeye15
10-17-2018, 11:07 PM
I'd rather see -50 once a decade than a hurricane once a decade.
Great point. God I don't miss those man.

IKnowHoops
10-17-2018, 11:37 PM
Lived in Houston/Galveston for 19 years. I disagree. I HATE the heat. It only drops below 0 windchill a month total over the winter. While 50 below has happened you only see that extreme every 10 years or so

I walked a mile to my car with my brothers and dad after a Vikings game against the Raiders. Got to watch Bo Jackson live. He only had about 75 yards but the walk home was in -50 windchill. My brothers were crying.

When I was I high school, school got cancelled for -75windchill factor with it being like -45 period.

To reach a real -50...yeah thatís rare. But -50 windchill was common every other year when I lived there.

I was back for a reunion in feb. it was 17 degrees and I couldnít take being outside with my bald head.

Arizona sunshine year around keeps the spirits high. I remember I went to CO for a biz trip. Me and my girl broke up during my trip and I was very bummed out. And the gloomy snowy dark weather for 4 days compounded the horrid feelings. As soon as I stepped out of the airport back into AZ and that sun hit my face...bro...one of the biggest reliefs and weights off my chest. My sadness of breaking up with my girl was reduced to a 10th. That light is important.

IKnowHoops
10-17-2018, 11:39 PM
Lived in Houston/Galveston for 19 years. I disagree. I HATE the heat. It only drops below 0 windchill a month total over the winter. While 50 below has happened you only see that extreme every 10 years or so

One month? Common, your being awfully pro Minny right now.

IKnowHoops
10-17-2018, 11:41 PM
I'd rather see -50 once a decade than a hurricane once a decade.

Oh hell yeah. I personally would not live in an area that gets hit every year.

But Iíd rather get hit by Hurricanes all day over Tornados

Scoots
10-18-2018, 12:38 AM
So much stuff you can't do in the cold. I grew up doing long distance bike riding, moved to the snow and that just ends 5 months a year. Add to that that the damage I've done to my body playing sports, that cold makes the joints hurt a LOT more.

Give me the Texas heat please ... that said, I'd not want to deal with the humidity in Houston either. Austin TX is much nicer.

Saddletramp
10-18-2018, 02:29 AM
True. But once you get used to the Heat, -50 windchill is far worse.

True. I live in Galveston (weíve traded stories before, Hawkeye) and complain to myself about the heat constantly. But this week weíve been in the 60ís and Iím just kind of blah. I love this weather but Iím so used to the scorching heat (it was still in the 90ís last week) that I just feel cold and kinda depressed. And that feeling came along before the Rockets game tonight.

And as far as homes go, I bought a 2 bedroom/1.5 bathroom here on the island for $145k. Includes a 2 bedroom/1 bathroom garage apartment. Oh, and it came with complete appliances for both houses.

ewing
10-18-2018, 05:28 AM
Karl Town only played 22 mins last night. Anything to report from the game?

Chronz
10-18-2018, 07:47 AM
Karl Town only played 22 mins last night. Anything to report from the game?

His jimmies been ruffled

ewing
10-18-2018, 08:37 AM
His jimmies been ruffled

dude needs to take his skirt off and play ball

Hawkeye15
10-18-2018, 09:24 AM
One month? Common, your being awfully pro Minny right now.

not at all. We get 4-5 pockets of a handful of days where the windchills drop below 0. That being said, I haven't had a winter like 87', or 91', since I have been back up here.

Keep your AZ dude, I despise heat. DESPISE haha. Like I ***** here in MN now, and it doesn't even get hot but like 5-8 days a year.

Hawkeye15
10-18-2018, 09:25 AM
Karl Town only played 22 mins last night. Anything to report from the game?

foul trouble. Took 6 shots. So clearly Thib's is going to bypass our best scoring option to play iso again, so that is great. Butler looked tired, Wiggins same ol' ****, our rookies couldn't get 1 minute at the expense of Rose playing 31. Good energy all around, but we shouldn't drop a game to SA like that, and let LMA look like Hakeem.

Hawkeye15
10-18-2018, 09:28 AM
True. I live in Galveston (weíve traded stories before, Hawkeye) and complain to myself about the heat constantly. But this week weíve been in the 60ís and Iím just kind of blah. I love this weather but Iím so used to the scorching heat (it was still in the 90ís last week) that I just feel cold and kinda depressed. And that feeling came along before the Rockets game tonight.

And as far as homes go, I bought a 2 bedroom/1.5 bathroom here on the island for $145k. Includes a 2 bedroom/1 bathroom garage apartment. Oh, and it came with complete appliances for both houses.

I just don't like 3 showers a day. Or getting to work looking like I ran there. I like to sweat on my terms, not profusely while loading up groceries at Walmart.

Extremes either way are tough, its what you are willing to deal with. For me, basketball/hockey season are my favorite, so winter is just fine. Would I prefer MN didn't get as cold as it does? Yes. But I also love the fact I live in a place that sees 90 degrees like 5-6 times a year. Versus for 65 straight days haha

Hawkeye15
10-18-2018, 09:32 AM
I walked a mile to my car with my brothers and dad after a Vikings game against the Raiders. Got to watch Bo Jackson live. He only had about 75 yards but the walk home was in -50 windchill. My brothers were crying.

When I was I high school, school got cancelled for -75windchill factor with it being like -45 period.

To reach a real -50...yeah thatís rare. But -50 windchill was common every other year when I lived there.

I was back for a reunion in feb. it was 17 degrees and I couldnít take being outside with my bald head.

Arizona sunshine year around keeps the spirits high. I remember I went to CO for a biz trip. Me and my girl broke up during my trip and I was very bummed out. And the gloomy snowy dark weather for 4 days compounded the horrid feelings. As soon as I stepped out of the airport back into AZ and that sun hit my face...bro...one of the biggest reliefs and weights off my chest. My sadness of breaking up with my girl was reduced to a 10th. That light is important.

your last paragraph hits me. Part of the reason I hate TX so much, is failed relationships, and all my good friends moved away. The last few years I was there, I was sleepwalking through life, getting drunk every day, just trying to figure myself out. When my sisters moved back to MN, and my Mom did too, all I wanted to do was move home, away from that place.

I may never even go back to TX, I have such animosity towards it. Much of it has nothing to do WITH TX. But I got so sick of summers there, and then listening to them whine and complain when it got to 45 degrees. Just shut the **** up already.

WaDe03
10-18-2018, 10:34 AM
Hawk just think... you could have Josh Richardson right now my dude. That super special piece that was suppose to be the center of that awful deal for butler.

Heís literally Covington with a little less defense and more offense lol. Donít do this trolling **** all year, itís why no one can stand you on here. You have one disagreement and then it completely controls you. JRich looked far better than Covington if weíre going off 1 game sample sizes.

IKnowHoops
10-18-2018, 10:50 AM
Karl Town only played 22 mins last night. Anything to report from the game?

Fouled out

IKnowHoops
10-18-2018, 10:52 AM
not at all. We get 4-5 pockets of a handful of days where the windchills drop below 0. That being said, I haven't had a winter like 87', or 91', since I have been back up here.

Keep your AZ dude, I despise heat. DESPISE haha. Like I ***** here in MN now, and it doesn't even get hot but like 5-8 days a year.
😂👍

IKnowHoops
10-18-2018, 10:53 AM
foul trouble. Took 6 shots. So clearly Thib's is going to bypass our best scoring option to play iso again, so that is great. Butler looked tired, Wiggins same ol' ****, our rookies couldn't get 1 minute at the expense of Rose playing 31. Good energy all around, but we shouldn't drop a game to SA like that, and let LMA look like Hakeem.

What did you think of Teague game?

ewing
10-18-2018, 10:56 AM
Fouled out

thanks

Hawkeye15
10-18-2018, 10:57 AM
What did you think of Teague game?

he played fine, but the Spurs are so weak at PG, so I am not putting much stock into it. Let Teague go up against the bigger scoring guards and we see how dainty he is. The guy is smooth, but not very quick, and just isn't aggressive. Defensively he sucks, but whatever. Thib's also doesn't use him right. Teague should be getting more rotation 3 point looks, he is a good catch and shoot guy. But, our wings dribble the air out of the ball, so whatever.

kdspurman
10-18-2018, 12:23 PM
foul trouble. Took 6 shots. So clearly Thib's is going to bypass our best scoring option to play iso again, so that is great. Butler looked tired, Wiggins same ol' ****, our rookies couldn't get 1 minute at the expense of Rose playing 31. Good energy all around, but we shouldn't drop a game to SA like that, and let LMA look like Hakeem.

LMA typically has his way with Towns tho, and he probably could've had a bigger game but couldn't get a shot to drop. Towns didn't look all that engaged tho

IKnowHoops
10-18-2018, 12:28 PM
LMA typically has his way with Towns tho, and he probably could've had a bigger game but couldn't get a shot to drop. Towns didn't look all that engaged tho

Towns is currently in a mental state of disarray. Ever since Jimmy took his balls...
They will eventually drop back down and he will be better for it. Itís part of the maturation process of kids. Jimmyís toughness will either make him better or break him. With 500 million lifetime dollars on the line. That 7ft mofo will face it and break through eventually.

ewing
10-18-2018, 12:30 PM
Towns is currently in a mental state of disarray. Ever since Jimmy took his balls...
They will eventually drop back down and he will be better for it. Itís part of the maturation process of kids. Jimmyís toughness will either make him better or break him. With 500 million lifetime dollars on the line. That 7ft mofo will face it and break through eventually.

What did you make of Rose playing 30 mins? Hawk predicted that. i really didn't take him seriously when he said it but then....

specialiststeve
10-18-2018, 01:55 PM
Hawk just think... you could have Josh Richardson right now my dude. That super special piece that was suppose to be the center of that awful deal for butler.

Um... stop the Hype train! Richardson is a nice player with upside but don't see anyone ANYWHERE that says he will be a star type player. He is a good NBA player. Not a stud that Butler is. With the offer of Waiters (a stiff and another bad contract) and a protected 1st which was the offer I understand... there is no way that gets it done.

Hawkeye15
10-18-2018, 02:01 PM
LMA typically has his way with Towns tho, and he probably could've had a bigger game but couldn't get a shot to drop. Towns didn't look all that engaged tho

sure but we can't let LMA turn into Rodman on the boards either. Just can't.

buckalis
10-18-2018, 02:06 PM
Another deal:

Suns receive: M.Dellavedova, D.J. Wilson & S. Brown

Wolves receive: K.Middleton, J.Henson & T.J. Warren and Bucks 2nd (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, G. Dieng

Suns get the veteran PG they are looking for, a guard and a wing on their rookie contracts.
Wolves get Middleton, T.J. Warren a 2nd and replace Dieng with 5M less and a season shorter to expire Henson.
Bucks get Butler and "eat" Dieng's contract.

WaDe03
10-18-2018, 02:12 PM
So I know I told you all I had a 4 team deal I had been working on and was going to post. Iíve had a change of head on that one and decided to kick out the Kings and Hawks and add in the Suns instead. As long as this deal is on the table thereís no one that can beat it. Here it is, I hope you all enjoy:

Suns receive: M.Dellavedova, D.J. Wilson & S. Brown

Wolves receive: K.Middleton, J.Henson & T.J. Warren and Bucks 2nd (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, G. Dieng

My great reasoning behind the trade:

Suns get the veteran PG they are looking for, a guard and a wing on their rookie contracts.
Wolves get Middleton, T.J. Warren a 2nd and replace Dieng with 5M less and a season shorter to expire Henson.
Bucks get Butler and "eat" Dieng's contract.

IKnowHoops
10-18-2018, 02:23 PM
What did you make of Rose playing 30 mins? Hawk predicted that. i really didn't take him seriously when he said it but then....

I think towns only playing 22 added to Roses minutes. I donít hate Rose though. Heís still quick. Still got some game. Heís a guy that can help if heís confident.

IKnowHoops
10-18-2018, 02:25 PM
Um... stop the Hype train! Richardson is a nice player with upside but don't see anyone ANYWHERE that says he will be a star type player. He is a good NBA player. Not a stud that Butler is. With the offer of Waiters (a stiff and another bad contract) and a protected 1st which was the offer I understand... there is no way that gets it done.


Haha, he wasnít serious with that post.

Been a lot of poking fun at others trade ideas in here.

Thatís all he was doing with that statement.

ewing
10-18-2018, 02:27 PM
I think towns only playing 22 added to Roses minutes. I donít hate Rose though. Heís still quick. Still got some game. Heís a guy that can help if heís confident.

He is still a finisher and can be valuable sometimes b/c he can score in bunches. I don't want to see him 30 mins a night though. Maybe once in a blue moon when he is on fire

Hawkeye15
10-18-2018, 02:36 PM
He is still a finisher and can be valuable sometimes b/c he can score in bunches. I don't want to see him 30 mins a night though. Maybe once in a blue moon when he is on fire

bingo. He is a complete liability defensively, and while he can still get into the lane, can no longer finish well. So if he is hot, ride him. Otherwise, 15 mpg is plenty. Or, just play the damn rookie.

kdspurman
10-18-2018, 08:08 PM
Towns is currently in a mental state of disarray. Ever since Jimmy took his balls...
They will eventually drop back down and he will be better for it. Itís part of the maturation process of kids. Jimmyís toughness will either make him better or break him. With 500 million lifetime dollars on the line. That 7ft mofo will face it and break through eventually.

Maybe.. he doesn't seem like the type, but hopefully for Wolves fans.


sure but we can't let LMA turn into Rodman on the boards either. Just can't.

Ha.. he couldn't a shot, I'm glad he made up for it in other areas.

buckalis
10-19-2018, 05:44 PM
Another deal:

Suns receive: M.Dellavedova, D.J. Wilson & S. Brown

Wolves receive: K.Middleton, J.Henson & T.J. Warren and Bucks 2nd (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, G. Dieng

Suns get the veteran PG they are looking for, a guard and a wing on their rookie contracts.
Wolves get Middleton, T.J. Warren a 2nd and replace Dieng with 5M less and a season shorter to expire Henson.
Bucks get Butler and "eat" Dieng's contract.

Another (similar) proposal that involves the same teams but doesn't includes Middleton, is suggested by athletic reporters here: https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/10/17/minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butler-trade-ideas-to-the-celtics-76ers-raptors-bucks-and-wizards/5/

Suns receive: PG, Jeff Teague,

Wolves receive: PG, Eric Bledsoe SF, T.J. Warren C, John Henson PF, D.J. Wilson

Bucks receive: SG, Jimmy Butler C, Gorgui Dieng.

specialiststeve
10-19-2018, 06:25 PM
Another (similar) proposal that involves the same teams but doesn't includes Middleton, is suggested by athletic reporters here: https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/10/17/minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butler-trade-ideas-to-the-celtics-76ers-raptors-bucks-and-wizards/5/

Suns receive: PG, Jeff Teague,

Wolves receive: PG, Eric Bledsoe SF, T.J. Warren C, John Henson PF, D.J. Wilson

Bucks receive: SG, Jimmy Butler C, Gorgui Dieng.

Not terrible but not great. Bledsoe and Teague are pretty much a wash with Bledsoe's contract being up at the end of the year. I know some of my Wolves colleges don't care for Teague but I like him. Warren is okay but not a good outside shooter and don't think he plays much D so don't see Tib's going for that. Henson is okay but a dime a dozen rotation guy... not any better than Dieng. Wilson is nice but a ways away and Tib's doesn't play rookies so is not real helpful for a year or two.

Don't see that it would be something that Tib's would do honestly.

buckalis
10-19-2018, 06:48 PM
Not terrible but not great. Bledsoe and Teague are pretty much a wash with Bledsoe's contract being up at the end of the year. I know some of my Wolves colleges don't care for Teague but I like him. Warren is okay but not a good outside shooter and don't think he plays much D so don't see Tib's going for that. Henson is okay but a dime a dozen rotation guy... not any better than Dieng. Wilson is nice but a ways away and Tib's doesn't play rookies so is not real helpful for a year or two.

Don't see that it would be something that Tib's would do honestly.

Money... Bledsoe is expiring and will resign for less than he now makes (makes 15M), expect to resign for up to 12... no more.... And he is clearly better than Teague (IMO).

Henson isn't better than Dieng, nor worst... He is better in some respects, Dieng on others, but Henson has a season shorter contract and costs 8M less next season when he expires... EDIT: Henson will resign for A LOT less (no more than 3.5M).

T.J. Warren can be a good shooter if coached right... his qualities on all other parts than shooting are known well though and widely appreciated... He is obviously under coached with his shot from the Phoenix coaching team... Same as Bledsoe... when we first got him from Phoenix, he could do less than 30% 3pts, he is expected to shoot more than 40% this season, which is less than a year later!

Wilson is money filler, he can be waived if the roster spot is needed (and cost nothing) he is on his 2nd year rookie contract with team option... Maybe worth trying to develop...

It's a very good deal for the Wolves, especially if the Bucks would add a 2nd for each team (2x2nds), it may then be considered a gem... Replaces all roster positions and adds lots of cap space.

Stunner
10-19-2018, 09:26 PM
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specialiststeve
10-19-2018, 10:25 PM
Money... Bledsoe is expiring and will resign for less than he now makes (makes 15M), expect to resign for up to 12... no more.... And he is clearly better than Teague (IMO).

Henson isn't better than Dieng, nor worst... He is better in some respects, Dieng on others, but Henson has a season shorter contract and costs 8M less next season when he expires... EDIT: Henson will resign for A LOT less (no more than 3.5M).

T.J. Warren can be a good shooter if coached right... his qualities on all other parts than shooting are known well though and widely appreciated... He is obviously under coached with his shot from the Phoenix coaching team... Same as Bledsoe... when we first got him from Phoenix, he could do less than 30% 3pts, he is expected to shoot more than 40% this season, which is less than a year later!

Wilson is money filler, he can be waived if the roster spot is needed (and cost nothing) he is on his 2nd year rookie contract with team option... Maybe worth trying to develop...

It's a very good deal for the Wolves, especially if the Bucks would add a 2nd for each team (2x2nds), it may then be considered a gem... Replaces all roster positions and adds lots of cap space.

NO IT IS NOT!! There is nothing there that is close to Butler in value... just replacing roster spots and adding cap space is not the goal. Getting a quality player in return is the "have to" which this clearly does not have. Period.

Jamiecballer
10-19-2018, 11:26 PM
Spurs will swap DeRozan for Butler. Win win for all sides.

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Silent
10-19-2018, 11:48 PM
NO IT IS NOT!! There is nothing there that is close to Butler in value... just replacing roster spots and adding cap space is not the goal. Getting a quality player in return is the "have to" which this clearly does not have. Period.

:clap:

IKnowHoops
10-20-2018, 03:39 AM
Not terrible but not great. Bledsoe and Teague are pretty much a wash with Bledsoe's contract being up at the end of the year. I know some of my Wolves colleges don't care for Teague but I like him. Warren is okay but not a good outside shooter and don't think he plays much D so don't see Tib's going for that. Henson is okay but a dime a dozen rotation guy... not any better than Dieng. Wilson is nice but a ways away and Tib's doesn't play rookies so is not real helpful for a year or two.

Don't see that it would be something that Tib's would do honestly.

I like Teague also

IKnowHoops
10-20-2018, 03:41 AM
Money... Bledsoe is expiring and will resign for less than he now makes (makes 15M), expect to resign for up to 12... no more.... And he is clearly better than Teague (IMO).

Henson isn't better than Dieng, nor worst... He is better in some respects, Dieng on others, but Henson has a season shorter contract and costs 8M less next season when he expires... EDIT: Henson will resign for A LOT less (no more than 3.5M).

T.J. Warren can be a good shooter if coached right... his qualities on all other parts than shooting are known well though and widely appreciated... He is obviously under coached with his shot from the Phoenix coaching team... Same as Bledsoe... when we first got him from Phoenix, he could do less than 30% 3pts, he is expected to shoot more than 40% this season, which is less than a year later!

Wilson is money filler, he can be waived if the roster spot is needed (and cost nothing) he is on his 2nd year rookie contract with team option... Maybe worth trying to develop...

It's a very good deal for the Wolves, especially if the Bucks would add a 2nd for each team (2x2nds), it may then be considered a gem... Replaces all roster positions and adds lots of cap space.

Trash

More-Than-Most
10-20-2018, 03:43 AM
Jimmy butler is a ton of things... an ***/cancer/dick whatever you want fine he is but what he isnt is a guy that plays half *** on the court... jimmy butler gives it all everytime he steps on the court nomatter the issues outside or in.... towns seems like he gives no ****s right now and honestly that is extremely concerning. He is way to good for him to allow personal **** to effect him game... get over it.... they need to trade butler asap period... they are losing towns.

SteBO
10-20-2018, 06:12 AM
Jimmy butler is a ton of things... an ***/cancer/dick whatever you want fine he is but what he isnt is a guy that plays half *** on the court... jimmy butler gives it all everytime he steps on the court nomatter the issues outside or in.... towns seems like he gives no ****s right now and honestly that is extremely concerning. He is way to good for him to allow personal **** to effect him game... get over it.... they need to trade butler asap period... they are losing towns.
33 points on 12 shots lol. Compared to how KAT looks visibly, it's no wonder Jimmy is smiling despite the jeers from Wolves fans.

It's sad that today's players have to be coddled to that degree. Not disagreeing with you here on any level by the way....but watching Jimmy Butler despite all the dysfunction compared to what KAT is doing just makes me think Towns is as soft as tissue paper. But the Wolves know who they value more.

buckalis
10-20-2018, 09:27 AM
NO IT IS NOT!! There is nothing there that is close to Butler in value... just replacing roster spots and adding cap space is not the goal. Getting a quality player in return is the "have to" which this clearly does not have. Period.

Hmmm.... with the importance that Bledsoe seems to have for the Bucks starting roster, I'm not sure that the Bucks would let him go either...

Also... I don't think the Bucks would want to load Dieng's contract, the Bucks are aiming high this season and loading Dieng's contract could prove to be a huge mistake.

tp13baby
10-20-2018, 10:33 AM
Jimmy to Denver for Jamal Murray, Lydon and future picks

buckalis
10-20-2018, 10:58 AM
NO IT IS NOT!! There is nothing there that is close to Butler in value... just replacing roster spots and adding cap space is not the goal. Getting a quality player in return is the "have to" which this clearly does not have. Period.

If the Wolves won't be candidate for a playoffs run as the season progresses, Wolves will trade Jimmy for the best deal they can get, despite Butler's value won't be met...

buckalis
10-20-2018, 11:05 AM
Jimmy to Denver for Jamal Murray, Lydon and future picks

Wolves won't trade Butler unless Dieng's contract is moved... It will be the best they can get back and move Dieng's contract... They will take a deal that includes less for Butler but moves Dieng, rather than better return for Butler and keep Dieng's contract.

Reason is that they can then hope to have the cap space as to go after another All-Star out of free agency.

buckalis
10-20-2018, 01:03 PM
Another (similar) proposal that involves the same teams but doesn't includes Middleton, is suggested by athletic reporters here: https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2018/10/17/minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butler-trade-ideas-to-the-celtics-76ers-raptors-bucks-and-wizards/5/

Suns receive: PG, Jeff Teague,

Wolves receive: PG, Eric Bledsoe SF, T.J. Warren C, John Henson PF, D.J. Wilson

Bucks receive: SG, Jimmy Butler C, Gorgui Dieng.

Perhaps this would work better than what the athletic reporters suggest:

Suns receive: G. Dieng, M. Dellavedova, Jodie Meeks, D.J. Wilson + 2nd from Bucks (via Kings)

Wolves receive: T.J. Warren, T. Snell, T. Maker, S. Brown + 2nd from Bucks (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, T. Chandler

IKnowHoops
10-20-2018, 01:18 PM
Perhaps this would work better than what the athletic reporters suggest:

Suns receive: G. Dieng, M. Dellavedova, Jodie Meeks, D.J. Wilson + 2nd from Bucks (via Kings)

Wolves receive: T.J. Warren, T. Snell, T. Maker, S. Brown + 2nd from Bucks (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, T. Chandler

As Butlers value rises, your trades get exponentially worse

specialiststeve
10-20-2018, 01:24 PM
Perhaps this would work better than what the athletic reporters suggest:

Suns receive: G. Dieng, M. Dellavedova, Jodie Meeks, D.J. Wilson + 2nd from Bucks (via Kings)

Wolves receive: T.J. Warren, T. Snell, T. Maker, S. Brown + 2nd from Bucks (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, T. Chandler

Yikes.... neither the Wolves or the Suns would do that. The Bucks are just NOT a fit without Middleton and they have said they won't move him so let it go... just not happening.

buckalis
10-20-2018, 01:41 PM
Yikes.... neither the Wolves or the Suns would do that. The Bucks are just NOT a fit without Middleton and they have said they won't move him so let it go... just not happening.

My opinion is that a major criteria for Wolves to trade Butler, is to move Dieng's contract, so that they can create cap space and try to make up from Butler for next season out of free agency....

Brown & Maker are both on their rookie contracts with lots of potential, Snell is a 40% shooter on a good value contract (11m per season) and great defender and T.J. Warren is a great player other than his long shot (which I believe Thibs can improve)... but, above all, Dieng's contract is moved and an (unprotected) pick is added.

For the Suns, they get the better pick, they get an experienced PG, they get another PG for deeper roster and then D.J. Wilson on his rookie contract as money filler.... T.J Warren has been moved back in the roster after they've added Ariza and they have to develop Bridges...

It therefore makes sense IMO...

Cracka2HI!
10-20-2018, 02:28 PM
I think the Clippers will end up with Butler in a few weeks. I don't see it costing much more than Gallinari and Beverley. Beverley might get flipped to a 3rd team like Phoenix. I think the main reason teams are having a hard time making a deal for Butler is that he'd likely be one and done. If rumors are true that wouldn't be the case with the Clippers. This is a rare situation that a great player has very low trade value due to other factors. There just seems to be too many Butler to the Clippers rumors.

buckalis
10-20-2018, 03:02 PM
I think the Clippers will end up with Butler in a few weeks. I don't see it costing much more than Gallinari and Beverley. Beverley might get flipped to a 3rd team like Phoenix. I think the main reason teams are having a hard time making a deal for Butler is that he'd likely be one and done. If rumors are true that wouldn't be the case with the Clippers. This is a rare situation that a great player has very low trade value due to other factors. There just seems to be too many Butler to the Clippers rumors.

The Wolves won't accept ANY deal unless it includes moving Dieng...

Chronz
10-20-2018, 07:41 PM
I think the Clippers will end up with Butler in a few weeks. I don't see it costing much more than Gallinari and Beverley. Beverley might get flipped to a 3rd team like Phoenix. I think the main reason teams are having a hard time making a deal for Butler is that he'd likely be one and done. If rumors are true that wouldn't be the case with the Clippers. This is a rare situation that a great player has very low trade value due to other factors. There just seems to be too many Butler to the Clippers rumors.

I can't wait. He's still got a few peak years, and we'll lose the gallo contract.

buckalis
10-20-2018, 07:50 PM
I can't wait. He's still got a few peak years, and we'll lose the gallo contract.

dream on...

Chronz
10-20-2018, 07:51 PM
dream on...
Throw in dieng for boban or gortat

buckalis
10-20-2018, 08:17 PM
Throw in dieng for boban or gortat

That they may do... but forget about them "eating" Gallinari's contract... none will!

specialiststeve
10-20-2018, 08:22 PM
I think the Clippers will end up with Butler in a few weeks. I don't see it costing much more than Gallinari and Beverley. Beverley might get flipped to a 3rd team like Phoenix. I think the main reason teams are having a hard time making a deal for Butler is that he'd likely be one and done. If rumors are true that wouldn't be the case with the Clippers. This is a rare situation that a great player has very low trade value due to other factors. There just seems to be too many Butler to the Clippers rumors.

Gotta stop using that Crack(a) .... Not a chance that would pass the test. Would make zero sense. Gallo okay but not more than a nice rotation guy and we have no use for Beverly as already are 3 deep at PG.

Harris, Williams and maybe Robinson (know the wolves want Alexander in the package but not happening as Alexander has shown he has some good game...)

IKnowHoops
10-20-2018, 10:25 PM
My opinion is that a major criteria for Wolves to trade Butler, is to move Dieng's contract, so that they can create cap space and try to make up from Butler for next season out of free agency....

Brown & Maker are both on their rookie contracts with lots of potential, Snell is a 40% shooter on a good value contract (11m per season) and great defender and T.J. Warren is a great player other than his long shot (which I believe Thibs can improve)... but, above all, Dieng's contract is moved and an (unprotected) pick is added.

For the Suns, they get the better pick, they get an experienced PG, they get another PG for deeper roster and then D.J. Wilson on his rookie contract as money filler.... T.J Warren has been moved back in the roster after they've added Ariza and they have to develop Bridges...

It therefore makes sense IMO...

Nobody is really trying to go to MN though.

I donít think they do that deal on the chance of getting someone.

IKnowHoops
10-20-2018, 10:26 PM
The Wolves won't accept ANY deal unless it includes moving Dieng...

Wolves would trade Jimmy straight up for Leonard and a handful of other guys. They donít need to move Dieng if they can get back a star.

buckalis
10-21-2018, 09:32 AM
If one thinks about this carefully... the 3-team deal I propose above...

Suns receive: G. Dieng, M. Dellavedova, Jodie Meeks, Jaylen Morris + 2nd from Bucks (via Kings)

Wolves receive: T.J. Warren, T. Snell, T. Maker, S. Brown + 2nd from Bucks (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, T. Chandler

...has high chances to work, because the Suns need to find an experienced PG and have Ariza & Bridges added which makes relying on TJ Warren pointless... add to this that they get Dieng as to replace old Chandler that is semi retired and the Suns do end up with a team that has no "holes" in the roster, leaving only future improvements to be made in roster positions.

The Wolves OTOH will soon loose hope in making the playoffs...

Butler doesn't share the ball anymore with KAT or Wig! One should look at Jimmy's stats! He has started the season passing 40% less assists than last season!
Fans miss those details but there is no way that Thibs and the ones (like me) that have high basketball knowledge haven't noticed!

The Wolves will have to move him soon, or he is going to destroy them with his smart floor tactics that he follows as to force them trade him!
Butler does all in his power on the floor for him to WIN and the Wolves to LOOSE... it's a win-win for him and a loose-loose for the Wolves!

Tg11
10-21-2018, 12:38 PM
Hell no and I don't know how many times you have proposed the same 3 team deal but it ain't happenin and it ain't gon happen point blank period

Jimmy Butler will either go to the Knicks, Lakers, 76ers or Clippers

beasted86
10-21-2018, 02:52 PM
Jimmy Butler's number one destination should still be Miami. It's the only team with a true culture match.

If Wolves continue losing games they're supposed to win he should put more pressure to force a trade.

ewing
10-21-2018, 06:29 PM
Jimmy Butler's number one destination should still be Miami. It's the only team with a true culture match.

If Wolves continue losing games they're supposed to win he should put more pressure to force a trade.

I heard heís going to the Bucks


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cmellofan15
10-21-2018, 06:40 PM
Jimmy Butler's number one destination should still be Miami. It's the only team with a true culture match.

If Wolves continue losing games they're supposed to win he should put more pressure to force a trade.

You mean the culture where they shun the greatest player to ever wear their jersey in contract negotiations or the one where the fans leave before games end?

I guess it's what he's used to at this point so you're prolly right

warfelg
10-21-2018, 07:03 PM
Hell no and I don't know how many times you have proposed the same 3 team deal but it ain't happenin and it ain't gon happen point blank period

Jimmy Butler will either go to the Knicks, Lakers, 76ers or Clippers

The Sixers? Thins asked for Simmons. Hell no.

WaDe03
10-21-2018, 07:23 PM
I heard heís going to the Bucks


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Any idea what the deal would be? I would assume something involving 3 or 4 teams of the following, Buck, Wolves, Hawks, Kings, or Suns.

IKnowHoops
10-21-2018, 09:56 PM
You mean the culture where they shun the greatest player to ever wear their jersey in contract negotiations or the one where the fans leave before games end?

I guess it's what he's used to at this point so you're prolly right

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Tg11
10-22-2018, 01:33 PM
Jimmy Buckets to the Knicks at this point makes the most sense

WaDe03
10-22-2018, 01:45 PM
You mean the culture where they shun the greatest player to ever wear their jersey in contract negotiations or the one where the fans leave before games end?

I guess it's what he's used to at this point so you're prolly right

😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

GREATNESS ONE
10-22-2018, 01:46 PM
If one thinks about this carefully... the 3-team deal I propose above...

Suns receive: G. Dieng, M. Dellavedova, Jodie Meeks, Jaylen Morris + 2nd from Bucks (via Kings)

Wolves receive: T.J. Warren, T. Snell, T. Maker, S. Brown + 2nd from Bucks (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, T. Chandler

...has high chances to work, because the Suns need to find an experienced PG and have Ariza & Bridges added which makes relying on TJ Warren pointless... add to this that they get Dieng as to replace old Chandler that is semi retired and the Suns do end up with a team that has no "holes" in the roster, leaving only future improvements to be made in roster positions.

The Wolves OTOH will soon loose hope in making the playoffs...

Butler doesn't share the ball anymore with KAT or Wig! One should look at Jimmy's stats! He has started the season passing 40% less assists than last season!
Fans miss those details but there is no way that Thibs and the ones (like me) that have high basketball knowledge haven't noticed!

The Wolves will have to move him soon, or he is going to destroy them with his smart floor tactics that he follows as to force them trade him!
Butler does all in his power on the floor for him to WIN and the Wolves to LOOSE... it's a win-win for him and a loose-loose for the Wolves!

specialiststeve
10-22-2018, 01:47 PM
Jimmy Buckets to the Knicks at this point makes the most sense

My understanding is that the Knicks aren't in as don't want to mortgage the future. Novel Idea for the Knicks as they ususally make silly moves.

Hardaway, Knox and a pick would seem to fit for him but not sure if either team would do it.

Pierzynski4Prez
10-22-2018, 02:23 PM
If one thinks about this carefully... the 3-team deal I propose above...

Suns receive: G. Dieng, M. Dellavedova, Jodie Meeks, Jaylen Morris + 2nd from Bucks (via Kings)

Wolves receive: T.J. Warren, T. Snell, T. Maker, S. Brown + 2nd from Bucks (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, T. Chandler

...has high chances to work, because the Suns need to find an experienced PG and have Ariza & Bridges added which makes relying on TJ Warren pointless... add to this that they get Dieng as to replace old Chandler that is semi retired and the Suns do end up with a team that has no "holes" in the roster, leaving only future improvements to be made in roster positions.

The Wolves OTOH will soon loose hope in making the playoffs...

Butler doesn't share the ball anymore with KAT or Wig! One should look at Jimmy's stats! He has started the season passing 40% less assists than last season!
Fans miss those details but there is no way that Thibs and the ones (like me) that have high basketball knowledge haven't noticed!

The Wolves will have to move him soon, or he is going to destroy them with his smart floor tactics that he follows as to force them trade him!
Butler does all in his power on the floor for him to WIN and the Wolves to LOOSE... it's a win-win for him and a loose-loose for the Wolves!

Not enough 2nd round picks involved. No way this goes down without at least 3.


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Saddletramp
10-22-2018, 02:33 PM
😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

True, though.

WaDe03
10-22-2018, 02:33 PM
If one thinks about this carefully... the 3-team deal I propose above...

Suns receive: G. Dieng, M. Dellavedova, Jodie Meeks, Jaylen Morris + 2nd from Bucks (via Kings)

Wolves receive: T.J. Warren, T. Snell, T. Maker, S. Brown + 2nd from Bucks (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, T. Chandler

...has high chances to work, because the Suns need to find an experienced PG and have Ariza & Bridges added which makes relying on TJ Warren pointless... add to this that they get Dieng as to replace old Chandler that is semi retired and the Suns do end up with a team that has no "holes" in the roster, leaving only future improvements to be made in roster positions.

The Wolves OTOH will soon loose hope in making the playoffs...

Butler doesn't share the ball anymore with KAT or Wig! One should look at Jimmy's stats! He has started the season passing 40% less assists than last season!
Fans miss those details but there is no way that Thibs and the ones (like me) that have high basketball knowledge haven't noticed!

The Wolves will have to move him soon, or he is going to destroy them with his smart floor tactics that he follows as to force them trade him!
Butler does all in his power on the floor for him to WIN and the Wolves to LOOSE... it's a win-win for him and a loose-loose for the Wolves!

Wow this is a great trade! No need for a 4th team though?

WaDe03
10-22-2018, 02:34 PM
True, though.

Absolutely.

Rivera
10-22-2018, 02:35 PM
If one thinks about this carefully... the 3-team deal I propose above...

Suns receive: G. Dieng, M. Dellavedova, Jodie Meeks, Jaylen Morris + 2nd from Bucks (via Kings)

Wolves receive: T.J. Warren, T. Snell, T. Maker, S. Brown + 2nd from Bucks (via Wizards)

Bucks receive: J. Butler, T. Chandler

...has high chances to work, because the Suns need to find an experienced PG and have Ariza & Bridges added which makes relying on TJ Warren pointless... add to this that they get Dieng as to replace old Chandler that is semi retired and the Suns do end up with a team that has no "holes" in the roster, leaving only future improvements to be made in roster positions.

The Wolves OTOH will soon loose hope in making the playoffs...

Butler doesn't share the ball anymore with KAT or Wig! One should look at Jimmy's stats! He has started the season passing 40% less assists than last season!
Fans miss those details but there is no way that Thibs and the ones (like me) that have high basketball knowledge haven't noticed!

The Wolves will have to move him soon, or he is going to destroy them with his smart floor tactics that he follows as to force them trade him!
Butler does all in his power on the floor for him to WIN and the Wolves to LOOSE... it's a win-win for him and a loose-loose for the Wolves!

I know of a better deal. If the Bucks propose this offer, there is no other team that can match it! This is a great trade for all parties involved

Hawks receive: Dellavedova, Henson and 3x2nd picks from Bucks, Wolves & Kings

Kings receive: Dieng, Morris & Frazier and 2019 1st from Wolves

Wolves receive: Middleton, Bazemore & T.Maker and 2021 1st from Bucks

Bucks receive: Butler & Koufos

WaDe03
10-22-2018, 02:37 PM
I know of a better deal. If the Bucks propose this offer, there is no other team that can match it! This is a great trade for all parties involved

Hawks receive: Dellavedova, Henson and 3x2nd picks from Bucks, Wolves & Kings

Kings receive: Dieng, Morris & Frazier and 2019 1st from Wolves

Wolves receive: Middleton, Bazemore & T.Maker and 2021 1st from Bucks

Bucks receive: Butler & Koufos

Oh ****, both of you may be on to something here. I canít decide whoís trade I like more between the 2. Only a genius could think of these and thatís exactly what you 2 are!

IKnowHoops
10-22-2018, 03:25 PM
True, though.

Miami fans getting up and leaving was the most unimpressive thing Iíve seen from a fan base. Game 6 of the finals!!!!! WTF?

buckalis
10-24-2018, 01:03 PM
Obviously Bucks,don't need Butler as to win the East and make it to the finals, but they can use one like Butler as to ENSURE winning the east and BEAT GSW in the finals... Good thing that various trolls realise that Butler won't advance poor teams to anything worthwhile, just like Bron didn't for the Lakers poor roster

Bucks will have two All Stars on Giannis and Middleton in their roster before the payoffs, there is only a third needed as to beat GSW and land the cup to the world's best arena, premises and facilities, which the Bucks celebrate this season.

buckalis
10-24-2018, 01:46 PM
One thing is for sure... Either if we get that 3rd All-Star this season and take the title from GSW, or if we have to wait until next season, when MIL will be the first destination for players, the Bucks will be condenders for the title for many seasons to come and Giannis will be their leader.

TheDish87
10-24-2018, 01:53 PM
i really cant tell if this is just a troll account or not? no one can really believe any of this can they?

buckalis
10-24-2018, 02:43 PM
i really cant tell if this is just a troll account or not? no one can really believe any of this can they?

Clarkson, Nance, Randle, Brook Lopez know better than any troll.... They all don't play for a circus anymore.... they play for basketball TEAMS now...

Saddletramp
10-24-2018, 05:38 PM
i really cant tell if this is just a troll account or not? no one can really believe any of this can they?

Heís trolling. Probably one of the regulars we get. New screen name, same trolliní.

Cal827
10-24-2018, 07:44 PM
:laugh: Cheers to y'all keeping this thread alive with excellent trade proposals

Stunner
10-24-2018, 10:16 PM
That boy KAT smh



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buckalis
10-25-2018, 06:58 AM
What is that you call trolling? Is it that the Bucks will take the East, or that the Bucks need to add another All-Star, next to Giannis and Middleton, so that they can beat GSW...?

WaDe03
10-25-2018, 09:41 AM
Pat Rileys watched every Timberwolves game this year.

WaDe03
10-25-2018, 06:19 PM
Holy **** Minnesota just got an offer from Houston that includes 4 first round picks lol per woj.

WaDe03
10-25-2018, 06:25 PM
Thatís the type of GM I want. A GM who doesnít overvalue his guys/picks and isnít scared to throw the farm for a chance to win.

WaDe03
10-25-2018, 06:38 PM
My only question is, why isnít the deal done if thy offered that? Woj story says the Wolves arenít too impressed wth any offers yet.

SiteWolf
10-25-2018, 06:39 PM
Holy **** Minnesota just got an offer from Houston that includes 4 first round picks lol per woj.

since they can't be in successive years and can't be more than 7 years out, it's good, but means Houston's 1st rounder every other year for 7 years- like their 1st in 2019, 2021, 2023, and 2025

Driven
10-25-2018, 07:00 PM
My only question is, why isnít the deal done if thy offered that? Woj story says the Wolves arenít too impressed wth any offers yet.

Thibs doesnít want to deal butler


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Cal827
10-25-2018, 07:08 PM
They HAVE to trade him if these later picks aren't really protected (Like the Brooklyn Case).

I mean Wiggins/Towns might struggle now, but they're young and locked into large deals... They can go get guys to supplement the team around the two, AND potentially have the ability to add lottery picks to the roster, when the guys are about to hit their respective primes. That's either a huge asset they could dangle for other talent, or could further bolster the lineup.

Unless they have absolutely no faith in the two..

WaDe03
10-25-2018, 07:20 PM
Thibs doesnít want to deal butler


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He doesnít really have a choice though. The owner has said theyíre going to trade Jimmy and he told Jimmy himself brute going to trade him, therefore Jimmy has been on good behavior and playing hard.

WaDe03
10-25-2018, 07:22 PM
since they can't be in successive years and can't be more than 7 years out, it's good, but means Houston's 1st rounder every other year for 7 years- like their 1st in 2019, 2021, 2023, and 2025

Yes this is correct so depending on protections on the last pick or 2 they could be very valuable. I think that rocket team has a 3-5 year window

valade16
10-25-2018, 07:33 PM
Holy **** Minnesota just got an offer from Houston that includes 4 first round picks lol per woj.

Sounds impressive but considering those 4 1st round picks are probably all in the 22-30 range they collectively aren't worth a single Top 5 pick.

WaDe03
10-25-2018, 07:37 PM
Sounds impressive but considering those 4 1st round picks are probably all in the 22-30 range they collectively aren't worth a single Top 5 pick.

The 1st 2 for sure but after that the next 2 could be pretty high since they have to be every other year.

WaDe03
10-25-2018, 07:38 PM
Pretty sure ainge offered Riley 4 1st for Winslow at the draft, one of them being the Nets pick. :(

Ty Fast
10-25-2018, 07:49 PM
Thats an insane amount of picks. I know they will probably be at the end of the first round but still thats a lot. Do you think this a good offer?

SpecialEdition
10-25-2018, 07:53 PM
4 picks I am not sure I buy it. I like Jimmy... Most of houston cant be traded, so they would need to do Gordon and Tucker to match salaries. That sucks but if the wolves can get 4 1st rounders they should do it.

Heediot
10-25-2018, 08:02 PM
I am guess the proposal is Brandon Knight, Eric Gordon, 4 picks for Butler and salary filler.

I think they would want to keep Tucker, since they already lost Luc and Ariza. Letting PJ go would be pretty hard to recover from (a defensive standpoint) with the acquisition of Jimmy.

valade16
10-25-2018, 08:05 PM
What are the chances any of the first rounders are worth a damn?

This year's first will be very low, 2021's will be very low, so 2023 and 2025 have a chance possibly of being good picks?

Stunner
10-25-2018, 08:07 PM
Steal for Houston if this deal happens , horrible trade for Minny

More-Than-Most
10-25-2018, 08:09 PM
BUT YO.. They either take a first and richardson or nothing because they have no leverage lmfao

Heediot
10-25-2018, 08:11 PM
What are the chances any of the first rounders are worth a damn?

This year's first will be very low, 2021's will be very low, so 2023 and 2025 have a chance possibly of being good picks?

I think somehow they get 1 solid mid lottery at worse pick out of the bunch. Just a hunch, but yeah it might be random.

More-Than-Most
10-25-2018, 08:15 PM
What are the chances any of the first rounders are worth a damn?

This year's first will be very low, 2021's will be very low, so 2023 and 2025 have a chance possibly of being good picks?

Honestly it wouldnt really make a difference would it? most likely the team they trade butler to is either a close contender or a team in the east who isnt very good but will still likely make the playoffs... butler will put whatever team up enough to keep the picks in the 20-28 range.

JAZZNC
10-25-2018, 08:22 PM
If they are offering up 4 1st round picks I take that deal. Butler and Paul will be washed by the time the last 2 picks come. Given I think Harden has a game that ages very well but getting that many 1st round picks has to be very very tempting.

Saddletramp
10-25-2018, 08:30 PM
Only if he guarantees to re-sign and you donít lose Tucker AND Gordon.

So in other words, no.


I am guess the proposal is Brandon Knight, Eric Gordon, 4 picks for Butler and salary filler.

I think they would want to keep Tucker, since they already lost Luc and Ariza. Letting PJ go would be pretty hard to recover from (a defensive standpoint) with the acquisition of Jimmy.

I would do that but I donít think Knight can be traded yet with other players.

rhino17
10-25-2018, 09:01 PM
Im fine with it. Houston rarely picks in the lottery anyway, without looking it up, I wanna say 4-5 losing records in the last 30 years or so.

specialiststeve
10-25-2018, 09:15 PM
I am guess the proposal is Brandon Knight, Eric Gordon, 4 picks for Butler and salary filler.

I think they would want to keep Tucker, since they already lost Luc and Ariza. Letting PJ go would be pretty hard to recover from (a defensive standpoint) with the acquisition of Jimmy.

Could not include Knight (who I don't see the wolves wanting) as he or Chriss can't be moved until Nov. 1st.

Pretty much has to include Gordon. If it is Gordon and Tucker WITH the 4 1st rounders they have to do it... this from a Wolves fan. Both Gordon and Tucker would be the Vets Tibs wants to still compete this year and the picks to help ensure the future would have assets to use or trade.

Ty Fast
10-25-2018, 09:16 PM
What are the chances any of the first rounders are worth a damn?

This year's first will be very low, 2021's will be very low, so 2023 and 2025 have a chance possibly of being good picks?

They would be nice trade chips if anything

Driven
10-25-2018, 09:24 PM
If they are offering up 4 1st round picks I take that deal. Butler and Paul will be washed by the time the last 2 picks come.

I would hope so, theyíd be like 37-40 years old


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Driven
10-25-2018, 09:25 PM
Iíd be shocked if they give up tucker along with the four first round picks. Perhaps theyíll wait a week to do the trade and include knight or Chriss


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specialiststeve
10-25-2018, 09:42 PM
Steal for Houston if this deal happens , horrible trade for Minny

Would disagree.... if it is Gordon, Tucker and 4 - unprotected 1st rounders. Gordon and Tucker help the Wolves compete now and the picks although not great for the 1st couple likely would be decent down the road. If anything it raises the bar for the other teams that are possibly chasing Butler.

Stunner
10-25-2018, 09:43 PM
Would disagree.... if it is Gordon, Tucker and 4 - unprotected 1st rounders. Gordon and Tucker help the Wolves compete now and the picks although not great for the 1st couple likely would be decent down the road. If anything it raises the bar for the other teams that are possibly chasing Butler.

But itís not that , Hou already said they arenít trading tucker

SiteWolf
10-25-2018, 09:59 PM
lottery protection on these picks would be limited...but not nonexistent

specialiststeve
10-25-2018, 10:01 PM
But itís not that , Hou already said they arenít trading tucker That has been reported in the "past".... at this time it would have to be Tucker or Nene... Wolves not taking Nene.... otherwise the numbers don't work.....

Storch
10-25-2018, 10:15 PM
Im sure the deal isnt final because theres protections on the picks that the wolves disagree with.

IKnowHoops
10-25-2018, 10:16 PM
Holy **** Minnesota just got an offer from Houston that includes 4 first round picks lol per woj.

Exact bóóó! Sit tight, as the season progresses, flash floods(trades) should just appear based on situation changes of many teams

specialiststeve
10-25-2018, 10:17 PM
Iíd be shocked if they give up tucker along with the four first round picks. Perhaps theyíll wait a week to do the trade and include knight or Chriss


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Wolves not taking Knight... Chriss is interesting and fits the young up and coming but Tib's more intersted in winning now.... Likely Tib's will pass unless Tucker included.. he actually plays defense.

Stunner
10-25-2018, 10:20 PM
That has been reported in the "past".... at this time it would have to be Tucker or Nene... Wolves not taking Nene.... otherwise the numbers don't work.....

Rockets donít want to give up Tucker period dude lol heís there Draymond

Redrum187
10-25-2018, 10:32 PM
Dallas should offer Wes Matthews + Harrison Barnes for Butler... Matthews in his last year, and Barnes is a good replacement.

Dennis Smith Jr
Luka Doncic
Jimmy Butler
Dirk Nowitzki
DeAndre Jordan

It would be cute I guess. Worst case scenario, Jimmy leaves and the Mavs get Barnes off their hands.

mightybosstone
10-25-2018, 10:33 PM
That has been reported in the "past".... at this time it would have to be Tucker or Nene... Wolves not taking Nene.... otherwise the numbers don't work.....

It's Chriss. He can be traded on Oct. 31.

AllBall
10-25-2018, 10:42 PM
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AllBall
10-25-2018, 10:43 PM
Biggest hurdle is the coach who cried Wolf.

Is Thibs getting canned in the process?

IKnowHoops
10-25-2018, 10:46 PM
Thibs will hold out till the right deal comes I hope. I think at some point, the Wolves could easily get Bradley Beal + as Jimmy keeps proving how much better he is.

Wouldnít mind getting Dunn/Lavine/Mark back.


Dunn
Lavine
Wig
Mark
Towns

I think is a 7-8 seed in West that will improve every year going forward

specialiststeve
10-25-2018, 10:48 PM
Dallas should offer Wes Matthews + Harrison Barnes for Butler... Matthews in his last year, and Barnes is a good replacement.

Dennis Smith Jr
Luka Doncic
Jimmy Butler
Dirk Nowitzki
DeAndre Jordan

It would be cute I guess. Worst case scenario, Jimmy leaves and the Mavs get Barnes off their hands.

Add the 4 1st rounders Houston is offering and we have a deal.....

IKnowHoops
10-25-2018, 11:05 PM
4 firsts is the floor now😂

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:06 AM
Russ for Jimmy and Taj. Please.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:11 AM
Westbrook for Jimmy B and Taj Gibson. We'll take Derrick Rose as good gesture. I don't want to watch Russ anymore. Dude cares about stat-padding. The tales of him wanting to "destroy" opponents is false now. just watch him play.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:11 AM
BUT YO.. They either take a first and richardson or nothing because they have no leverage lmfao

You are still so hurt over me destroying you on help defense and defensive rotations. That was a funny night though, it was so over you tiny RPM brain brother!

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:12 AM
Russ for Jimmy and Taj. Please.

Really?

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:46 AM
Really?

maybe. give it a few more games and i'll think about it but at this point, I can care less. I rather have Jimmy B and PG on the backcourt.

buckalis
10-26-2018, 06:04 AM
Wolves not taking Knight... Chriss is interesting and fits the young up and coming but Tib's more intersted in winning now.... Likely Tib's will pass unless Tucker included.. he actually plays defense.
I also believe that Thibs wil pass... The picks would be tempting for a team that is on a rebuild mode, not for a team that would want to be in the playoffs...

Also, the picks can't be as high as the Wolves would want and the Rockets can't thin their roster as to include alternatives that would make back some for Butler's loss....


But most important... I can't see how the Rocket can help to move Dieng's contract and free valuable cap space for the Wolves to use...

Driven
10-26-2018, 06:58 AM
Rockets might be able to make it work if they can wait and are able to include knight and Chriss in a package with Gordon. Along with throw ins.


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MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-26-2018, 06:59 AM
Since Knight was already traded. I believe the rules are he has to be traded solo and not in a package deal at least until a certain date where that rule is waived which is a few months? Morey may pull this one off.

mightybosstone
10-26-2018, 08:14 AM
Since Knight was already traded. I believe the rules are he has to be traded solo and not in a package deal at least until a certain date where that rule is waived which is a few months? Morey may pull this one off.

The date those guys can be combined in a deal is Oct. 31. So it could feasibly happen next week.

Hawkeye15
10-26-2018, 09:16 AM
Sounds impressive but considering those 4 1st round picks are probably all in the 22-30 range they collectively aren't worth a single Top 5 pick.

well, with the non-existent leverage the Wolves have, getting back multiple assets and players (salary still has to match) is about as good as they could hope for. That being said, we can't evaluate talent, so late round picks will end up useless most likely. Could always move them however, in bigger trades.

Glass half full on this post. Rarity in my Wolves fanhood.

specialiststeve
10-26-2018, 09:29 AM
Im sure the deal isnt final because theres protections on the picks that the wolves disagree with.

Am sure... hearing they are lottery protected changes the offer completely. Sounds like a big deal but really is not as getting players in the 20-30 range is okay but not of "great" value. Is nice but sounds better than actually is.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 10:01 AM
The Heat and Wolves are re-engaged in talks for Jimmy per Ethan Skolnick.

mightybosstone
10-26-2018, 10:20 AM
The Heat and Wolves are re-engaged in talks for Jimmy per Ethan Skolnick.

Where did you see that? I pulled up the guy's Twitter account and didn't really see anything from him suggesting that. Can you post a link?

Stunner
10-26-2018, 10:21 AM
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1055825625905315841?s=21

specialiststeve
10-26-2018, 10:24 AM
The Heat and Wolves are re-engaged in talks for Jimmy per Ethan Skolnick.

Knew it was coming... I am sure Tib's would prefer sending him to Miami if they will step up the offer.....

Driven
10-26-2018, 10:25 AM
So, basically the Rockets offered Knight and Chriss and four first round picks for Butler. Trying to keep both Gordon and Tucker.

Rivera
10-26-2018, 10:27 AM
4 first rounders sound good, but Harden in his prime, i doubt any of those picks are below #20 so how good is 4 first rounders really?

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 10:32 AM
Where did you see that? I pulled up the guy's Twitter account and didn't really see anything from him suggesting that. Can you post a link?

Yes, sorry it was from his sports networking thing he recently started not his personal page but it is him tweeting off of it.

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WaDe03
10-26-2018, 10:35 AM
From Miamiís side:

Woj tweets Miami is not in Jimmyís top 3

Ethan says they are

Reports come out that Miami is actually Jimmys top choice

Reports come out saying JRich has finally been offered

Ethan says JRich has not been offered

Iím not sure what to believe at this point. All I know is the trade was almost complete and **** hit the fan when Thibs asked for more at the last second.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 10:37 AM
4 first rounders sound good, but Harden in his prime, i doubt any of those picks are below #20 so how good is 4 first rounders really?

It would be 2018-2020-2022-2024 I believe and those last 2 picks could be pretty valuable. I think that Houston team has a 3-5 year window but they very well could find the right help as the years go on to counter the aging stars depending on their player development and G-league scouting.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 10:39 AM
Knew it was coming... I am sure Tib's would prefer sending him to Miami if they will step up the offer.....

Leverage games again it looks like. Miami and Minny talks had stalled, Minny leaks exact trade deals and now Miami is engaged again. Woj seems to be Minnys leverage plug in this thing.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 10:48 AM
Miami has no cap so theyíre only way of getting a star is through trades. I can see why theyíre trying to keep as many assets as possible out of the deal because theyíre wanting to bring another player in next to Jimmy and will also have to do that through trade. Jimmy is expiring but heís a top 10 player without a doubt so itís making it hard to agree to terms on a deal.

mightybosstone
10-26-2018, 10:54 AM
4 first rounders sound good, but Harden in his prime, i doubt any of those picks are below #20 so how good is 4 first rounders really?

I believe those third and fourth picks would be in 2023 and 2025. Paul might be gone at that point, and both Butler and Harden will be 34 and 36 in those years. So, the team might be hot garbage by those seasons, making those picks super valuable. That being said, it's Daryl Morey, so.....

Rivera
10-26-2018, 10:56 AM
It would be 2018-2020-2022-2024 I believe and those last 2 picks could be pretty valuable. I think that Houston team has a 3-5 year window but they very well could find the right help as the years go on to counter the aging stars depending on their player development and G-league scouting.

eh, they got Harden and Capella locked up, they still have Morey to continue to shuffle the roster, Harden will keep them in the playoff hunt, i dont think they are to valuable at all tbh

but its all about what minny wants to do

Rivera
10-26-2018, 10:57 AM
If those third and fourth picks are in 2023 and 2025. Paul might be gone at that point, and both Butler and Harden will be 34 and 36 in those years. So, the team might be hot garbage by those seasons, making those picks super valuable. That being said, it's Daryl Morey, so.....

hate double posting but i would have the same rebutal

eh, they got Harden and Capella locked up, they still have Morey to continue to shuffle the roster, Harden will keep them in the playoff hunt, i dont think they are to valuable at all tbh

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 11:07 AM
How good will harden be 5 years from now though? What about CP3 and Jimmy?

Thatís why I say I think thereís a 5 year window.

Rivera
10-26-2018, 11:11 AM
How good will harden be 5 years from now though? What about CP3 and Jimmy?

Thatís why I say I think thereís a 5 year window.

James would be 34, Capella would be 29, Jimmy would be 34

depending on how serious they take there bodies and how in shape they are, they could still be successful in that age

then the Morey factor of him acquiring more players to help that trio

at worst, they would be a fringe playoff team

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 11:11 AM
1055836782997200897

Get it done! Pat been watching Wolves games while at the Heat arena in the stands for Heat games so I knew Miami backing out was BS.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 11:13 AM
James would be 34, Capella would be 29, Jimmy would be 34

depending on how serious they take there bodies and how in shape they are, they could still be successful in that age

then the Morey factor of him acquiring more players to help that trio

at worst, they would be a fringe playoff team

Yes youíre right, they wouldnít be so bad that it would be Nets pick good. Maybe the final one would be but still, Thibs says he wants to get help out of the trade and Chriss and Knight arenít that.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:19 PM
How sad is it that the Wolves paid Towns like $40 million per year and this guy genuinely looks afraid of playing out there...

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:20 PM
How sad is it that the Wolves paid Towns like $40 million per year and this guy genuinely looks afraid of playing out there...

Think I saw 31 PPG without Jimmy, 14 PPG with lol.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 12:27 PM
Rachel Nichols said on her podcast that her interview with Jimmy was supposed to come after he was traded to Miami but the deal fell through at the last second and they did the interview anyways.

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 12:33 PM
Think I saw 31 PPG without Jimmy, 14 PPG with lol.

and they got beat by the Mavs and Kat only had 5 rebounds... wasn't particularly a great game either.

SteBO
10-26-2018, 01:42 PM
Butler questionable tonight w/ an illness......so yeah.

specialiststeve
10-26-2018, 01:57 PM
Yes youíre right, they wouldnít be so bad that it would be Nets pick good. Maybe the final one would be but still, Thibs says he wants to get help out of the trade and Chriss and Knight arenít that.

Yah the four #1 are nice but if are lottery protected as has been reported and Chriss and Knight are the players coming back....... not happening..... not close. Giving the wolves garbage players and picks that are at best a long shot.... no thanks....

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 02:13 PM
Butler questionable tonight w/ an illness......so yeah.

Get it done Pat ****! This last month of impatience is eating me alive I canít even eat or sleep at this point.

buckalis
10-26-2018, 04:17 PM
Butler questionable tonight w/ an illness......so yeah.
Or.... "we won't play Butler on the same floor against Middleton" is another read one may have...

Thibs still has hopes he can trade for Middleton and knows that Bucks are among the few teams (Clippers being the other), that can move Dieng's contract...

He doesn't get Middleton alright and at the end he will have to decide between moving Dieng and create the cap space to keep him going while taking less back from Butler, or trade Butler and being trapped with cap space...

He will eventually take the better choice, which is the first...

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 04:56 PM
Or.... "we won't play Butler on the same floor against Middleton" is another read one may have...

Thibs still has hopes he can trade for Middleton and knows that Bucks are among the few teams (Clippers being the other), that can move Dieng's contract...

He doesn't get Middleton alright and at the end he will have to decide between moving Dieng and create the cap space to keep him going while taking less back from Butler, or trade Butler and being trapped with cap space...

He will eventually take the better choice, which is the first...

Nah youíre *** backwards here troll. If anything they would want Butler to play and dominate so MKE and BAE upgrade their trade offer and include Middleton after seeing Butler dominate. Good try though, troll elsewhere.

WaDe03
10-26-2018, 04:57 PM
Iím seeing that Thibs has been completely removed from trade talks this time around doenmessing up the Miami trade last time. Hopefully they just revisit that trade and get it done now.

specialiststeve
10-26-2018, 05:56 PM
Iím seeing that Thibs has been completely removed from trade talks this time around doenmessing up the Miami trade last time. Hopefully they just revisit that trade and get it done now.

Ummmm.... messing up the trade? Richardson, Waiters (or Olynyk depending on who you believe) and a protected 1st was not a good deal for the Wolves and Tib's should have asked for more.. Not enough for a top 15 player in the league. Offers will have to get better by whoever is serious about getting him....

buckalis
10-26-2018, 06:32 PM
Ummmm.... messing up the trade? Richardson, Waiters (or Olynyk depending on who you believe) and a protected 1st was not a good deal for the Wolves and Tib's should have asked for more.. Not enough for a top 15 player in the league. Offers will have to get better by whoever is serious about getting him....
Thibs won't move Butler unless Dieng's contract is moved with him and he is very wise to do so...

He will prefer to take back less for Butler and move Dieng's contract, than taking more for Butler and block the team from progressing due to limitted finances...

He was clear on that when he gave that interview yesterday... "I will take the deal that is best for the team" he said...

Only a few teams can move Dieng's contract from the Wolves and that doesn't include the Rockets, or the Heat, despite whatever various trolls are trolling here...

specialiststeve
10-26-2018, 06:37 PM
Thibs won't move Butler unless Dieng's contract is moved with him and he is very wise to do so...

He will prefer to take back less for Butler and move Dieng's contract, than taking more for Butler and block the team from progressing due to limitted finances...

He was clear on that when he gave that interview yesterday... "I will take the deal that is best for the team" he said...

Only a few teams can move Dieng's contract from the Wolves and that doesn't include the Rockets, or the Heat, despite whatever various trolls are trolling here...

I know that Dieng's contract has been discussed as "has to be part of the deal" in here but I have yet to hear that from Tib's anywhere. That is purely speculation! Actually Dieng has played well this year and has Tib's discussing how well he has played... which he has. That statement is just not true from what I have read.. or more importantly not read.

As Tib's has said he will take an offer that will be in the best interest of the team. It may or may not involve moving more than Butler at this point.

aman_13
10-26-2018, 06:44 PM
I don't care if those are late first picks. Four first rounders is a lot.

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WaDe03
10-26-2018, 06:58 PM
Ummmm.... messing up the trade? Richardson, Waiters (or Olynyk depending on who you believe) and a protected 1st was not a good deal for the Wolves and Tib's should have asked for more.. Not enough for a top 15 player in the league. Offers will have to get better by whoever is serious about getting him....

The trade was about to be finalized and he jumped in and asked for more at the very end after exchanging medical and everything. They should revisit the same deal now that heís out.

IKnowHoops
10-26-2018, 07:17 PM
The trade was about to be finalized and he jumped in and asked for more at the very end after exchanging medical and everything. They should revisit the same deal now that heís out.

Thank the Lord he said no. Wolves can do better. Miami is desperate for it. MN is not. This is nothing for Wolves fans. Wolves fans will gladly wait till the perfect deal comes along.

Stunner
10-26-2018, 07:21 PM
Butler starting

AllBall
10-26-2018, 07:43 PM
in before trade is halted when Wolves ask for Harden as well, lol :laugh2:

specialiststeve
10-26-2018, 08:13 PM
The trade was about to be finalized and he jumped in and asked for more at the very end after exchanging medical and everything. They should revisit the same deal now that heís out.

Now that who is out? Tib's? Again purely speculation. That same deal is NOT getting it done...... period!

Raps18-19 Champ
10-26-2018, 09:47 PM
4 first rounders is crazy. Yet I would 100% do that deal.

They'd have to include Knight and like Chriss or Nene right?

buckalis
10-26-2018, 10:56 PM
I know that Dieng's contract has been discussed as "has to be part of the deal" in here but I have yet to hear that from Tib's anywhere. That is purely speculation! Actually Dieng has played well this year and has Tib's discussing how well he has played... which he has. That statement is just not true from what I have read.. or more importantly not read.

As Tib's has said he will take an offer that will be in the best interest of the team. It may or may not involve moving more than Butler at this point.
It's not seculation... It has been said by athletic reporters in multiple times and the Suns and the Kings have been offered to take Dieng's contract, in return for a PG...
Don't expect Thibs to say it on an interview... no team official will ever go out and say "I intend to move that contract because it costs us a lot and rohibits the team from progressing"...

FlashBolt
10-26-2018, 10:59 PM
Rockets are doing this because they know the team looks horrible already. It's more of a desperation to get back to the top than anything. As it is, they look horrible as a team right now.

IndyRealist
10-26-2018, 11:06 PM
It's not seculation... It has been said by athletic reporters in multiple times and the Suns and the Kings have been offered to take Dieng's contract, in return for a PG...
Don't expect Thibs to say it on an interview... no team official will ever go out and say "I intend to move that contract because it costs us a lot and rohibits the team from progressing"...

They also reported a players only meeting and Jeff Teague called them liars.

specialiststeve
10-26-2018, 11:10 PM
It's not seculation... It has been said by athletic reporters in multiple times and the Suns and the Kings have been offered to take Dieng's contract, in return for a PG...
Don't expect Thibs to say it on an interview... no team official will ever go out and say "I intend to move that contract because it costs us a lot and rohibits the team from progressing"...

So there are reporters saying it... no actual statement by Tib's.... by definition that would be speculation!

ewing
10-27-2018, 07:33 AM
It's not seculation... It has been said by athletic reporters in multiple times and the Suns and the Kings have been offered to take Dieng's contract, in return for a PG...
Don't expect Thibs to say it on an interview... no team official will ever go out and say "I intend to move that contract because it costs us a lot and rohibits the team from progressing"...

What makes these reporters ďathleticĒ?


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MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-27-2018, 08:54 AM
4 picks sounds grim. But when ya think about it. They will be every other year cause of the Stepien rule. So last pick be 7 years out. Ya would think by then Rockets be barely hanging on for playoffs ya would think. Unless they draft a stud inbetween year where they keep the pick.

buckalis
10-27-2018, 09:03 AM
I think that Jimmy realized yesterday, that if he joins the Bucks, he will be on a title run with lots of chances to get it for this and many seasons to follow...

I also think that Thibs realized yesterday, that if he can achieve a deal with the Bucks for Butler, he can have back valuable pieces that will help him built back a competive team...

IndyRealist
10-27-2018, 09:17 AM
4 picks sounds grim. But when ya think about it. They will be every other year cause of the Stepien rule. So last pick be 7 years out. Ya would think by then Rockets be barely hanging on for playoffs ya would think. Unless they draft a stud inbetween year where they keep the pick.

Technically it doesn't have to be every other year. As long as the Rockets acquire a 1st round pick every other year from elsewhere, they can send one every year.

buckalis
10-27-2018, 10:05 AM
Technically it doesn't have to be every other year. As long as the Rockets acquire a 1st round pick every other year from elsewhere, they can send one every year.

That's not correct... It would require a new deal to be agreed for each of the following seasons, you can't have that pre-agreed on a contract made on a specific trade.

IndyRealist
10-27-2018, 11:02 AM
That's not correct... It would require a new deal to be agreed for each of the following seasons, you can't have that pre-agreed on a contract made on a specific trade.

Actually it is true. It can be written as "to be conveyed in 2019. If not conveyed in 2019 then to be conveyed in 2020." Etc.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
10-27-2018, 11:26 AM
1055924960265490432

Cal827
10-27-2018, 11:42 AM
1055924960265490432



Man I don't know how he hasn't been fired yet :laugh2:

buckalis
10-27-2018, 12:22 PM
Man I don't know how he hasn't been fired yet :laugh2:
They can't... He is under contract that would cost them A LOT if they do... They are trying to have him retiring instead.

buckalis
10-27-2018, 02:52 PM
1055924960265490432

It means a lot... first is that any proposal that doesn't include moving Dieng's contract, is off the table...

Only a few teams can move Dieng's contract... Clippers and Bucks included.

Clippers seem to have the upper hand with the Suns side as to take Teodosic and Dieng, but the Bucks have the upper hand with the Wolves side if they offer Snell + T.J. Warren (from Suns) + S. Brown + T.Maker + (rookie contract) D.J. Wilson + 2020 1st + a 2019 2nd and then M. Dellavedova + J.Meeks + G.Dieng (from Wolves) + J.Morris (2 way) + a 2019 2nd to the Suns...

Bucks would get Butler + Chandler (who will probably waive later)...

Suns may also prefer Delly from Teodosic due to free agency coming next summer...

All in all a higher possibility than ever Butler ending a Buck and NBA champion by the end of this season.

Dade County
10-28-2018, 02:49 AM
1055924960265490432

He'll be in a HEAT jersey soon.

ewing
10-28-2018, 08:02 AM
Man I don't know how he hasn't been fired yet :laugh2:

They finally had a winning season last year and they are actually getting reasonable offers now.


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IndyRealist
10-28-2018, 08:17 AM
Huh. It's almost like Butler's value isn't declining now that the season has started.

ewing
10-28-2018, 09:11 AM
Huh. It's almost like Butler's value isn't declining now that the season has started.

Doesnít seem to be. Am I wrong or did the early reports suck compared to 4 first rounders etc?


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Chapin78
10-28-2018, 09:33 AM
I am still in shock that the Rockets would make that big of an offer. That's the offer that would be made for a first team all NBA player not a back to back third team guy. I am not saying this is a bad player by any means.

Scoots
10-28-2018, 11:29 AM
There has to be protections on those picks, and taking Criss and Knight back from the Rockets. Not a great deal for Thibs.

Vinylman
10-28-2018, 11:54 AM
There has to be protections on those picks, and taking Criss and Knight back from the Rockets. Not a great deal for Thibs.

if it is criss and knight there is no way I let the picks be protected unless the protection is that two must be lottery picks.

buckalis
10-28-2018, 12:03 PM
Huh. It's almost like Butler's value isn't declining now that the season has started.
He can make the difference for a team that aims to make it to the finals, those teams will need him for the playoffs and therefore his value won't drop, only the teams that are interested will be less....
I expect that out of the west, only the Pelicans and the Naggets would show interest on aquiring Buttler, although I don't know if they can pay for him...

Most propably he will end up to the East, because all Celtics, Raptors, Bucks and Sixers will increase considerably their chances to be in the finals.

Scoots
10-28-2018, 12:22 PM
if it is criss and knight there is no way I let the picks be protected unless the protection is that two must be lottery picks.

I think the NBA won't let them extend the picks that far so they can't have a condition like that.

Silent
10-28-2018, 12:36 PM
4picks + EGordon

WaDe03
10-28-2018, 12:36 PM
Huh. It's almost like Butler's value isn't declining now that the season has started.

Season Just started brother

AllBall
10-28-2018, 02:00 PM
I can't believe the Wolves are actually playing him, he's one sprained ankle away from his stock plummeting.

More-Than-Most
10-28-2018, 02:16 PM
I can't believe the Wolves are actually playing him, he's one sprained ankle away from his stock plummeting.

if you dont play him his stock plummets as well... its worth the risk to prove to outsiders you can just keep him if they dont meet the asking price.

WaDe03
10-28-2018, 02:48 PM
if you dont play him his stock plummets as well... its worth the risk to prove to outsiders you can just keep him if they dont meet the asking price.

But then wolves look like dumbasses when he leaves for nothing when heís for sure leaving. Even if you can match salaries with expirings and get a 1st rounder or 2 itís better than letting him walk. Plus the sooner they get rid of him the better their pick is this year if they have it. Iíd rank for Barrett or Zion.

ewing
10-28-2018, 03:09 PM
You guys are smart


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Vinylman
10-28-2018, 05:50 PM
I think the NBA won't let them extend the picks that far so they can't have a condition like that.

they can just write in that two of the 4 have to be lottery picks with Minnie having the option to postpone the pick in any given year. they can definitely paper around it.

AllBall
10-28-2018, 07:39 PM
they can just write in that two of the 4 have to be lottery picks with Minnie having the option to postpone the pick in any given year. they can definitely paper around it.

Maximum amount of your own picks you have at once is 7. You can't trade consecutive years. Period. That gives you a maximum of 4.

Scoots
10-28-2018, 11:17 PM
they can just write in that two of the 4 have to be lottery picks with Minnie having the option to postpone the pick in any given year. they can definitely paper around it.

They can't trade consecutive years first round picks and they can't have any picks traded beyond 7 years. They can't have a requirement that they are lottery picks. IIRC.

IKnowHoops
10-29-2018, 12:37 AM
But then wolves look like dumbasses when he leaves for nothing when heís for sure leaving. Even if you can match salaries with expirings and get a 1st rounder or 2 itís better than letting him walk. Plus the sooner they get rid of him the better their pick is this year if they have it. Iíd rank for Barrett or Zion.

Zion by a mile

WaDe03
10-29-2018, 01:17 AM
Zion by a mile

Barrett is currently better, both are freaks.

AllBall
10-29-2018, 10:04 AM
Day 42

....and the Jimmy Butler drama continues, lol

IKnowHoops
10-29-2018, 12:04 PM
Barrett is currently better, both are freaks.

Zion is way more of a freak. Barrett doesnít have Kobe athletic ability meanwhile Zion does have Bron athletic ability. Melo was better than Bron at a lot of things at 18...but that ability Bron has eventually destroyed everything.

Vinylman
10-29-2018, 12:06 PM
They can't trade consecutive years first round picks and they can't have any picks traded beyond 7 years. They can't have a requirement that they are lottery picks. IIRC.

the picks would never be more than 7 years out...

they trade their

2019 pick
2021 pick
2023 pick Ö has to be lottery or it becomes a 2027 pick
2025 pick Ö has to be lottery or it becomes the 2027 pick or 2029 pick (if the 2023 pick was conveyed)


that is within the rules because they haven't gone past 7 years nor have they traded more than 4 picks

Vinylman
10-29-2018, 12:07 PM
Maximum amount of your own picks you have at once is 7. You can't trade consecutive years. Period. That gives you a maximum of 4.

I guess I wasn't clear. I detailed it in the post above this. I was never implying they would trade consecutive year picks nor that they would breach the 7 year protocol.

They can do what I said

Scoots
10-29-2018, 01:59 PM
the picks would never be more than 7 years out...

they trade their

2019 pick
2021 pick
2023 pick Ö has to be lottery or it becomes a 2027 pick
2025 pick Ö has to be lottery or it becomes the 2027 pick or 2029 pick (if the 2023 pick was conveyed)


that is within the rules because they haven't gone past 7 years nor have they traded more than 4 picks

How is 2029 not more than 7 years out?

AllBall
10-29-2018, 02:06 PM
the picks would never be more than 7 years out...

they trade their

2019 pick
2021 pick
2023 pick Ö has to be lottery or it becomes a 2027 pick
2025 pick Ö has to be lottery or it becomes the 2027 pick or 2029 pick (if the 2023 pick was conveyed)


that is within the rules because they haven't gone past 7 years nor have they traded more than 4 picks

No it's not within the rules, there can be no language of years 2027 or 2029. That's past the 7 years.

buckalis
10-30-2018, 06:50 AM
I guess if the Bucks still want him, he would want to become a Buck now... Have a real shot for the title....

Vinylman
10-30-2018, 09:40 AM
How is 2029 not more than 7 years out?

nope... the pick traded was a 2023 pick and it remains a 2023 pick until at least that year. It is within the rules. I asked coon about this a couple of years ago. Send him an email if you like. he will answer

specialiststeve
10-30-2018, 01:26 PM
nope... the pick traded was a 2023 pick and it remains a 2023 pick until at least that year. It is within the rules. I asked coon about this a couple of years ago. Send him an email if you like. he will answer Is that Adam Silvers handle? ;)

Vinylman
10-30-2018, 01:30 PM
Is that Adam Silvers handle? ;)

I don't get it Ö I am talking about larry coon

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 12:41 PM
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Stunner
10-31-2018, 12:41 PM
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1057673096621146112?s=21



https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1057673222089515009?s=21

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 12:43 PM
Thatís good for Wolves though value wise. The last thing teams saw Jimmy was a 4th quarter takeover and domination of the Lakers and LeBron.

AllBall
10-31-2018, 12:44 PM
1057673096621146112

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WaDe03
10-31-2018, 12:45 PM
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Tell Pat to get it done AllBall!

Stunner
10-31-2018, 12:46 PM
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1057674623666585602?s=21

AllBall
10-31-2018, 12:46 PM
Tell Pat to get it done AllBall!

It seems like they definitely don't want to move him to another team in the West. We'll see where this goes.

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 12:49 PM
Wonder if Jeff Teague being out is related? Maybe Miami is adding Dragic for Teague to help sweeten the deal by giving Minny a better PG and cap relief when his contract is up.

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 12:50 PM
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Makes sense, now the world knows how great he is again.

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 12:52 PM
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No better time than right now.

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 12:58 PM
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Jamiecballer
10-31-2018, 01:03 PM
What a tart

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WaDe03
10-31-2018, 01:05 PM
What a tart

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Smart on his part, no risk of injury.

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 01:34 PM
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Minnys plug back at it.

IKnowHoops
10-31-2018, 03:12 PM
Wonder if Jeff Teague being out is related? Maybe Miami is adding Dragic for Teague to help sweeten the deal by giving Minny a better PG and cap relief when his contract is up.

That ainít getting it done. We need John Wall level talent back, and I think they can get it

Hawkeye15
10-31-2018, 03:21 PM
Jimmy likes Elaine

SteBO
10-31-2018, 03:21 PM
That ainít getting it done. We need John Wall level talent back, and I think they can get it
Yeah good luck with that. Nobody's surrendering that level talent for a 1 year rental. Minnesota made their choice, so they can either trade him nearer to the deadline or not at all and lose him for nothing. Thibs wants to win now....so the latter isn't a bad option for him. Not sure I want Miami to be in on this anyway.....depends on what we'd have to give.

AllBall
10-31-2018, 03:24 PM
That ainít getting it done. We need John Wall level talent back, and I think they can get it

Unless you're New York, Brooklyn, Miami, or LAC, he's a rental. No one's giving that up for a rental.

Tg11
10-31-2018, 03:32 PM
I hope Butler goes to Houston

Stunner
10-31-2018, 03:55 PM
https://twitter.com/rachel__nichols/status/1057717652507033601?s=21

SteBO
10-31-2018, 04:07 PM
I shouldn't have to, but I commend Jimmy Butler being a professional if true. It's a far cry from the Kawhi situation last year.

Cal827
10-31-2018, 04:09 PM
https://twitter.com/rachel__nichols/status/1057717652507033601?s=21

That sounds a lot better over "I"m gonna milk this injury until I'm dealt" :laugh2:

I can understand him being very cautious though. Whether the player wanted to stay with the team or not, you want to be able to showcase yourself in the best way possible. Don't want to go out there and a) Play terrible enough that it lowers your value and b) Potentially further injure yourself, which in turn could also lower value.

... But we'll see in his future games.

AllBall
10-31-2018, 04:11 PM
https://twitter.com/rachel__nichols/status/1057717652507033601?s=21

Now we get to play the game of which reporter is the mouthpiece for which individual. One for Jimmy, one for the team, one for the Agent, one for the players, one for....

Tg11
10-31-2018, 04:31 PM
Jimmy Butler his situation is similar to Kawhi because he's choosing to quit on the Wolves until he's dealt and honestly if I were Minny's front office I would send Butler to a place he doesn't want to go to similar to what the Spurs did to Kawhi...trade him to a destination he doesn't want to go and their front office can do that but where to send him to? I would send Butler back to the Eastern Conference but as for which teams I would send him to:

New York Knicks
Toronto Raptors
Washington Wizards
Detroit Pistons


Or even dare I say it to the Cavs

buckalis
10-31-2018, 04:56 PM
Unless you're New York, Brooklyn, Miami, or LAC, he's a rental. No one's giving that up for a rental.
If the team he goes to, makes it to the finals, or a step lower, he stays.

WaDe03
10-31-2018, 05:04 PM
That ainít getting it done. We need John Wall level talent back, and I think they can get it

Lol!

AllBall
10-31-2018, 05:05 PM
If the team he goes to, makes it to the finals, or a step lower, he stays.

Is that the pitch you think the Timberwolves are trying to make? Doesn't look like any team is buying that.