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LaVar Ball
08-27-2018, 01:41 AM
Training camp is now less than a month away


What do you guys think Wade does? Does Riley offer him the 5.3M exception? Or Does Riley force Wade into retirement just like he forced Wade 2 summers ago to bolt in free agency to Chicago?

More-Than-Most
08-27-2018, 07:47 AM
Nobody cares... wades career died once lebron joined the heat. He was trash from that point on. He isnt even a mediocre player at this point. He got rings 2 and 3 because of lebron and had the highest fall from grace we have seen in quite a while... he should just retire. He should have retired 2 years ago

Wade/Rose etc are just players that get jobs because of their name at this point... sad but true.

beasted86
08-27-2018, 08:25 AM
Nobody cares... wades career died once lebron joined the heat. He was trash from that point on. He isnt even a mediocre player at this point. He got rings 2 and 3 because of lebron and had the highest fall from grace we have seen in quite a while... he should just retire. He should have retired 2 years ago

Wade/Rose etc are just players that get jobs because of their name at this point... sad but true.

The butthurt is strong with this one!

He was so "garbage" during ring 2 & 3 that he was an all-star averaging 22 a game as the second option, numbers that you get on your knees and 'show what that mouth do' everyday while you bless Embiid for the same production as the number one option. Hypocrisy and hate is so obvious with trolls.

On topic:
Wade has nothing else to prove and should come back for a retirement tour only if he still enjoys playing the game. Not because he needs money or is trying to chase any accolades. It's the same as Dirk or VC or any other HOF guys finishing their career on a non-contender.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 09:26 AM
The butthurt is strong with this one!

He was so "garbage" during ring 2 & 3 that he was an all-star averaging 22 a game as the second option, numbers that you get on your knees and 'show what that mouth do' everyday while you bless Embiid for the same production as the number one option. Hypocrisy and hate is so obvious with trolls.

On topic:
Wade has nothing else to prove and should come back for a retirement tour only if he still enjoys playing the game. Not because he needs money or is trying to chase any accolades. It's the same as Dirk or VC or any other HOF guys finishing their career on a non-contender.

I assume you watched the Miami title runs. Wade, was Lt Dan for periods of both of them, specifically 2013. I mean, look at the Indiana series. His style of play caught up to him earlier than expected for many.

He was far from "dead", but by 2012-13', he was for sure nowhere near the all NBA talent we had seen prior. Miami's first title run, he was still pretty good (not by Wade standards but by NBA player standards). By their 2nd title run, he was well below all star level.

To the point of this thread, his career is way over. At this point, he can still help, but you can't depend on him to produce at all if you are looking at just his name.

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 09:58 AM
I assume you watched the Miami title runs. Wade, was Lt Dan for periods of both of them, specifically 2013. I mean, look at the Indiana series. His style of play caught up to him earlier than expected for many.

He was far from "dead", but by 2012-13', he was for sure nowhere near the all NBA talent we had seen prior. Miami's first title run, he was still pretty good (not by Wade standards but by NBA player standards). By their 2nd title run, he was well below all star level.

To the point of this thread, his career is way over. At this point, he can still help, but you can't depend on him to produce at all if you are looking at just his name.

His knees were shot in 2013 friend, still averaged 20-5-5 in the finals with a huge series saving game 4 and big game 7 because thatís what GOATs do. God bless you!

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 09:58 AM
Hey friends, itís not ticking and itís not a matter of what Riley is willing to give. Itís all up to what Wade wants at this point and thats a fact.

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 10:02 AM
Nobody cares... wades career died once lebron joined the heat. He was trash from that point on. He isnt even a mediocre player at this point. He got rings 2 and 3 because of lebron and had the highest fall from grace we have seen in quite a while... he should just retire. He should have retired 2 years ago

Wade/Rose etc are just players that get jobs because of their name at this point... sad but true.

He was so bad 2 years ago that he carried the Heat to a game away from the ECF with Winslow playing center and without their 2nd and 3rd best players in Bosh and Whiteside. Was so bad last year LeBron was wondering how things wouldíve been different if they still had Wade.

God bless you MTM! I hope you can better yourself from this!

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 10:20 AM
His knees were shot in 2013 friend, still averaged 20-5-5 in the finals with a huge series saving game 4 and big game 7 because thatís what GOATs do. God bless you!

oh I know why he declined. He didn't quite average 20, and it was on piss poor efficiency. LeBron carried the Heat to a ring that year, it was one of the most impressive title runs (along with MJ 1991, Duncan 2003) I have ever seen. Wade has had a great career, he is a top 25 player ever, and very fun to watch. But his body gave up on him for long periods of time during the LeBron era.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 10:21 AM
Hey friends, itís not ticking and itís not a matter of what Riley is willing to give. Itís all up to what Wade wants at this point and thats a fact.

yep. He has made tons of money, and his wife makes plenty of her own money, so that isn't the issue.

MygirlhatesCod
08-27-2018, 11:17 AM
wade should come over to the Warriors. I'm sure there is a vendor or usher position that can be freed up.

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 11:25 AM
wade should come over to the Warriors. I'm sure there is a vendor or usher position that can be freed up.

A great attempt at trolling/baiting me but I see the light my friend, I hope you do one day as well! Until then Iíll continue to keep you in my prayers!

MygirlhatesCod
08-27-2018, 11:39 AM
A great attempt at trolling/baiting me but I see the light my friend, I hope you do one day as well! Until then Iíll continue to keep you in my prayers!

wasn't a bait at all.

if you calculate how many games wade plays a season on average he would be right on the money as a vendor for home games.

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 11:47 AM
wasn't a bait at all.

if you calculate how many games wade plays a season on average he would be right on the money as a vendor for home games.

Praying you can get through this! :hope:

MILLERHIGHLIFE
08-27-2018, 12:54 PM
oh I know why he declined. He didn't quite average 20, and it was on piss poor efficiency. LeBron carried the Heat to a ring that year, it was one of the most impressive title runs (along with MJ 1991, Duncan 2003) I have ever seen. Wade has had a great career, he is a top 25 player ever, and very fun to watch. But his body gave up on him for long periods of time during the LeBron era.

Wasn't Wade sitting out a bunch of games back then? That's when LeBron got ticked off and started pointing fingers. Sick of carrying the load.

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 12:57 PM
Wasn't Wade sitting out a bunch of games back then? That's when LeBron got ticked off and started pointing fingers. Sick of carrying the load.

Hey there, good question. The Heat forced Wade in to a maintenance plan he didnít want to do and that caused a lot of tension around the team with the higher ups. Just something they had to deal with with him having no MCL and putting a lot of mileage on over those 4 years.

R. Johnson#3
08-27-2018, 01:12 PM
He was so bad 2 years ago that he carried the Heat to a game away from the ECF with Winslow playing center and without their 2nd and 3rd best players in Bosh and Whiteside. Was so bad last year LeBron was wondering how things wouldíve been different if they still had Wade.


Then how come Lebron traded Wade for a future 2nd round pick?

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 01:23 PM
Then how come Lebron traded Wade for a future 2nd round pick?

Because Wades heart was in Miami and Cleveland wanted to try a youth movement that wouldíve took some minutes from Wade and he didnít want to do that. Fun fact, Wade had the highest net rating of guys who got consistent minutes for the Cavs while he was on the team. It also doesnít change this:

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Great question though and I was very happy to answer! I hope you continue to post here as your activity is encouraged!

MygirlhatesCod
08-27-2018, 02:08 PM
Because Wades heart was in Miami and Cleveland wanted to try a youth movement that wouldíve took some minutes from Wade and he didnít want to do that. Fun fact, Wade had the highest net rating of guys who got consistent minutes for the Cavs while he was on the team. It also doesnít change this:

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Great question though and I was very happy to answer! I hope you continue to post here as your activity is encouraged!

you could tell how well that worked out. also what youth movement J.R was starting ahead of wade. if he wanted to be a competitor and stay his minutes would still be on the table.

he was traded because he didn't want to play there anymore. plus he cant be trusted to stay on the court.

R. Johnson#3
08-27-2018, 02:48 PM
Because Wades heart was in Miami and Cleveland wanted to try a youth movement that wouldíve took some minutes from Wade and he didnít want to do that. Fun fact, Wade had the highest net rating of guys who got consistent minutes for the Cavs while he was on the team. It also doesnít change this:

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Great question though and I was very happy to answer! I hope you continue to post here as your activity is encouraged!

Ah yes the youth movement. That explains why JR, Frye and Korver stuck around. It probably had nothing to do with the fact that Wade was useless on the floor with Lebron because he can't shoot threes and his game has deteriorated in a big way. Good for him and his net rating because it really wasn't translating into wins. JR, Korver and Frye were all more useful on a Lebron team than Wade plain and simple. Also all that locker room drama cleared right up after he left. Kind of like in Chicago.

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 02:57 PM
you could tell how well that worked out. also what youth movement J.R was starting ahead of wade. if he wanted to be a competitor and stay his minutes would still be on the table.

he was traded because he didn't want to play there anymore. plus he cant be trusted to stay on the court.

Good response, Iíll list in bullets to make it easier for you to troll/bait.

1. Yea the youth movement didnít work out too good for them. JR was starting because he was crying about not starting and it was hurting the team. The youth movement for guards were cedi Clarkson and Hood, the last 2 who they brought in by trade. Wade didnít want to share his minutes and rightfully so as he had the highest postivie impact while he was with them.

2. Thatís Wade, JR, Hood, Hill, Clarkson, Korver, Cedi all getting minutes at guard not just Wade and JR lol.

3. I know he didnít want to be there, thatís why I said his heart was in Miami.

You are not doing very well at this trolling stuff, I wil pray for you to get better!

MygirlhatesCod
08-27-2018, 03:01 PM
Good response, Iíll list in bullets to make it easier for you to troll/bait.

1. Yea the youth movement didnít work out too good for them. JR was starting because he was crying about not starting and it was hurting the team. The youth movement for guards were cedi Clarkson and Hood, the last 2 who they brought in by trade. Wade didnít want to share his minutes and rightfully so as he had the highest postivie impact while he was with them.

2. Thatís Wade, JR, Hood, Hill, Clarkson, Korver, Cedi all getting minutes at guard not just Wade and JR lol.

3. I know he didnít want to be there, thatís why I said his heart was in Miami.

You are not doing very well at this trolling stuff, I wil pray for you to get better!

so you think he loses minutes to those guys? Not Mr king of net ratings Wade.

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 03:35 PM
Ah yes the youth movement. That explains why JR, Frye and Korver stuck around. It probably had nothing to do with the fact that Wade was useless on the floor with Lebron because he can't shoot threes and his game has deteriorated in a big way. Good for him and his net rating because it really wasn't translating into wins. JR, Korver and Frye were all more useful on a Lebron team than Wade plain and simple. Also all that locker room drama cleared right up after he left. Kind of like in Chicago.

Really great response friend!

1. Wade led that bench unit of guys you just listed.

2. Korver was a specialist so that helped, Frye was traded to LA. Need you guys to really know your stuff before coming st me like this, Iím a changed man and am tired of roasting you every time. I feel like Iím about to relapse!!!

3. They werenít more useful, Wade was running that bench perfectly and Vee-Rex would agree. That bench was top 3 in the league with him leading the way. Everyone who watched them knows this.

4. Wade is known as one of the greatest leaders, if he sees something being done wrong and guys giving half effort like in Chicago heís going to call it out. If a top 20 player ever, 3 time champion, and top 3 player ever at his position doesnít think things are being ran right you might want to switch things up.

God bless you and your team/fan base my friend!

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 03:39 PM
so you think he loses minutes to those guys? Not Mr king of net ratings Wade.

Should he have? Absolutely not, but they werenít paying Clarkson all that money to stay on the bench and with them feeling LeBron would leave they viewed Hood Clarkson Korver JR and Cedi as guys who would be there for years while wade was there for only 1.

Great question again but I want to recommend you do some research on topics before you comment so we can keep this board to the facts and not random hot takes. I donít want this to become the fake news forum. Praying for you!

MygirlhatesCod
08-27-2018, 03:45 PM
Should he have? Absolutely not, but they werenít paying Clarkson all that money to stay on the bench and with them feeling LeBron would leave they viewed Hood Clarkson Korver JR and Cedi as guys who would be there for years while wade was there for only 1.

Great question again but I want to recommend you do some research on topics before you comment so we can keep this board to the facts and not random hot takes. I donít want this to become the fake news forum. Praying for you!

thats a roundabout way of saying wade wasn't good enough to get minutes with those guys around. I concur!

MygirlhatesCod
08-27-2018, 03:47 PM
Really great response friend!

1. Wade led that bench unit of guys you just listed.

2. Korver was a specialist so that helped, Frye was traded to LA. Need you guys to really know your stuff before coming st me like this, Iím a changed man and am tired of roasting you every time. I feel like Iím about to relapse!!!

3. They werenít more useful, Wade was running that bench perfectly and Vee-Rex would agree. That bench was top 3 in the league with him leading the way. Everyone who watched them knows this.

4. Wade is known as one of the greatest leaders, if he sees something being done wrong and guys giving half effort like in Chicago heís going to call it out. If a top 20 player ever, 3 time champion, and top 3 player ever at his position doesnít think things are being ran right you might want to switch things up.

God bless you and your team/fan base my friend!

you get that from a poll you and your friends sat on?

Jamiecballer
08-27-2018, 03:49 PM
Watching Wade's career march on long past his expired date has been sad

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IKnowHoops
08-27-2018, 03:57 PM
wasn't a bait at all.

if you calculate how many games wade plays a season on average he would be right on the money as a vendor for home games.

😂😂😂 @ ď wasnít a bait at allĒ... then goes on to explain...

Jeffy25
08-27-2018, 04:16 PM
Praying you can get through this! :hope:

This is just obnoxious

beasted86
08-27-2018, 04:16 PM
I assume you watched the Miami title runs. Wade, was Lt Dan for periods of both of them, specifically 2013. I mean, look at the Indiana series. His style of play caught up to him earlier than expected for many.

He was far from "dead", but by 2012-13', he was for sure nowhere near the all NBA talent we had seen prior. Miami's first title run, he was still pretty good (not by Wade standards but by NBA player standards). By their 2nd title run, he was well below all star level.

To the point of this thread, his career is way over. At this point, he can still help, but you can't depend on him to produce at all if you are looking at just his name.

There's a difference between decline and injury though. Wade has been on the decline from since the 2011/2012 regular season onwards. Nobody except maybe Wade03 believes otherwise.

When you say "play style caught up to him" it would leave me to believe you're saying his regular season stats were just a fluke.

But during the 2013 playoffs he was clearly injured. This explains why he recovered to 22 PPG during the 15/16 playoffs. Throughout 2012 to 2016 timeline I would have expected his numbers to remain somewhat consistent if healthy around 19-22 per night on adequate efficiency and follow his regular season's stat line.

WaDe03
08-27-2018, 04:44 PM
thats a roundabout way of saying wade wasn't good enough to get minutes with those guys around. I concur!

He was obviously good enough and every test shows it. Stats, eye test, LeBron wanting him in the finals, etc. LeBron wouldíve loved to have Wade in the playoffs. Will continue to pray and hope you get through this! If youíre going to troll you need tons of work though and weíve been over this.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 05:21 PM
There's a difference between decline and injury though. Wade has been on the decline from since the 2011/2012 regular season onwards. Nobody except maybe Wade03 believes otherwise.

When you say "play style caught up to him" it would leave me to believe you're saying his regular season stats were just a fluke.

But during the 2013 playoffs he was clearly injured. This explains why he recovered to 22 PPG during the 15/16 playoffs. Throughout 2012 to 2016 timeline I would have expected his numbers to remain somewhat consistent if healthy around 19-22 per night on adequate efficiency and follow his regular season's stat line.

no, when you crash into everything in site through your 20's, your "playing style" results in injuries. Anyone with a brain knew Wade's body would quit on him well before the average NBA player. As expected, at times he was healthier than others, but when I have to read LeBron had this ungodly amount of help because the name "Wade" and "Bosh" were on the backs of 2 jersey's, all while that same person ignores the fact that Wade and Bosh both dealt with all the reasons that made them far lesser players throughout very key time periods in the trio's time together, I get a short fuse over the subject.

"if healthy" becomes part of the sentence when talking about guys like Wade as they get into their 30's. **** happens when you refuse to get a jump shot and stop crashing into everything.

beasted86
08-27-2018, 08:14 PM
no, when you crash into everything in site through your 20's, your "playing style" results in injuries. Anyone with a brain knew Wade's body would quit on him well before the average NBA player. As expected, at times he was healthier than others, but when I have to read LeBron had this ungodly amount of help because the name "Wade" and "Bosh" were on the backs of 2 jersey's, all while that same person ignores the fact that Wade and Bosh both dealt with all the reasons that made them far lesser players throughout very key time periods in the trio's time together, I get a short fuse over the subject.

"if healthy" becomes part of the sentence when talking about guys like Wade as they get into their 30's. **** happens when you refuse to get a jump shot and stop crashing into everything.

I get what you're saying. It's just the way you're saying it is confusing/disagreeable.

Wade's ability to stay healthy definitely was impacted by playing style, but was even more so impacted by meniscus removal before he even entered the league. It directly relates to his issue with constant knee pain and bone bruising plaguing him in later years.

But on the subject of not developing a long range jumper, none of that impacted his effectiveness. Wade was an extremely effective player throughout his prime and following it for another 4-5 years when healthy, including the entirety of the Big 3 era. Over all-time comparisons there are few with his production as a #2 option on championship teams following someone with such a high usage. His effectiveness didn't nose-dive until after 15/16 because he still was able you get by players with his quickness and veteran savvy up until then.

So I guess the "if healthy" disclaimer is the point of debate.

R. Johnson#3
08-28-2018, 07:47 AM
Really great response friend!

1. Wade led that bench unit of guys you just listed.

2. Korver was a specialist so that helped, Frye was traded to LA. Need you guys to really know your stuff before coming st me like this, Iím a changed man and am tired of roasting you every time. I feel like Iím about to relapse!!!

3. They werenít more useful, Wade was running that bench perfectly and Vee-Rex would agree. That bench was top 3 in the league with him leading the way. Everyone who watched them knows this.

4. Wade is known as one of the greatest leaders, if he sees something being done wrong and guys giving half effort like in Chicago heís going to call it out. If a top 20 player ever, 3 time champion, and top 3 player ever at his position doesnít think things are being ran right you might want to switch things up.

God bless you and your team/fan base my friend!

1. Yes, he led that bench unit to a bunch of loses. Werenít the Cavs close to .500 around his departure?

2. Made ya look!

3. They were more useful. Unless you want to say that Jordan Clarkson/Rodney Hood are better than Wade because thatís who replaced him? After they came the Cavs actually started winning games as opposed to playing .500 basketball without their fearless bench leader.

4. Living in the past. Wade WAS known as one of the greatest leaders until he was exposed as a locker room cancer in Chicago. Create whatever narrative you like about the young guys not playing hard. The bottom line is that Rajon Rondo called out Wade for being a locker room poison. Thatís when you know itís bad. Itís a good thing a switch was made because the Cavs may have missed the post season altogether if Wade stuck around.

Vee-Rex
08-28-2018, 08:27 AM
Wade was a good player for the Cavs. Faaaaaar from his prime for sure but he was certainly one of the better pieces in that trainwreck of a pre-trade deadline team. I say that objectively as a Cavs fan.

But leave it to an ignorant Raps fan and an obsessive sir-post-alot Warriors fan to argue otherwise.

MygirlhatesCod
08-28-2018, 08:39 AM
Wade was a good player for the Cavs. Faaaaaar from his prime for sure but he was certainly one of the better pieces in that trainwreck of a pre-trade deadline team. I say that objectively as a Cavs fan.

But leave it to an ignorant Raps fan and an obsessive sir-post-alot Warriors fan to argue otherwise.

thank god vee rex is here to set this straight.

Vee-Rex
08-28-2018, 09:20 AM
thank god vee rex is here to set this straight.

I'm like the super hero for destroying and burying noobs. I SHALL ALWAYS ANSWER

WaDe03
08-28-2018, 09:37 AM
Wade was a good player for the Cavs. Faaaaaar from his prime for sure but he was certainly one of the better pieces in that trainwreck of a pre-trade deadline team. I say that objectively as a Cavs fan.

But leave it to an ignorant Raps fan and an obsessive sir-post-alot Warriors fan to argue otherwise.

Great post vee-Rex! I hate arguing with the uneducated but I use it as a chance to make PSD better by educating them and making them better. Smile today!

WaDe03
08-28-2018, 09:47 AM
1. Yes, he led that bench unit to a bunch of loses. Werenít the Cavs close to .500 around his departure?

2. Made ya look!

3. They were more useful. Unless you want to say that Jordan Clarkson/Rodney Hood are better than Wade because thatís who replaced him? After they came the Cavs actually started winning games as opposed to playing .500 basketball without their fearless bench leader.

4. Living in the past. Wade WAS known as one of the greatest leaders until he was exposed as a locker room cancer in Chicago. Create whatever narrative you like about the young guys not playing hard. The bottom line is that Rajon Rondo called out Wade for being a locker room poison. Thatís when you know itís bad. Itís a good thing a switch was made because the Cavs may have missed the post season altogether if Wade stuck around.

Hey, thank you for this response brother!

1. The bench unit was giving positive minutes while the starters came out flat and with a deficit all the time. I hate tbisbfor you but as I said, you need to know your stuff because if you watched the games you would know these things. Vee-Rex who is a Cavs fan has already backed it. I appreciate your troll attempt though.

2. No you didnít friend but itís funny you thought you were right when you once again didnít know what youíre talking about. Thank you!

3. They werenít going to pay Jordan Clarkson 18M or whatever to ride the bench and viewed him as a young piece for the future. Wade was gone after the year regardless and was playing for the minimum. The Cavs didnít improve much after the deadline but everyone sure thought they did after that first Celtics game lol. Praying for you!

4. Iíll tske his 13 years in Miami known as a great leader over him being called out once by someone heís always hated and who was looking for brownie points to try and save his career. Iíll also take the fact that every Miami player was ecstatic he was coming back and by how much his presence impacts them to be great. Justise Winslow was so depressed when Wade left that he quit the summer league team lol!

Have a great day, youíre better than this! We can end it here if youíd like as Iím clearly right and youíre clearly wrong again. I hate that I have to continuously do this to you and the guy whoís girl hates cod but you just keep trying me with these false claims and I canít help but shut them down. Youíre going to make me relapse if it doesnít stop! Pray for me while I also keep you guys in your prayers, we all need to be better but especially you two.

Hawkeye15
08-28-2018, 09:47 AM
I get what you're saying. It's just the way you're saying it is confusing/disagreeable.

Wade's ability to stay healthy definitely was impacted by playing style, but was even more so impacted by meniscus removal before he even entered the league. It directly relates to his issue with constant knee pain and bone bruising plaguing him in later years.

But on the subject of not developing a long range jumper, none of that impacted his effectiveness. Wade was an extremely effective player throughout his prime and following it for another 4-5 years when healthy, including the entirety of the Big 3 era. Over all-time comparisons there are few with his production as a #2 option on championship teams following someone with such a high usage. His effectiveness didn't nose-dive until after 15/16 because he still was able you get by players with his quickness and veteran savvy up until then.

So I guess the "if healthy" disclaimer is the point of debate.

My view of Wade is jaded, because LeBron haters love to point to Wade/Bosh being this 86' Celtics level of help, when in reality, they weren't. I knew Wade would decline because his body would give up. I guess I assumed everyone else did as well.

When Wade was healthy, he was about as smooth a player as you get. On both sides of the ball. During the big 3 era, Wade started off as an all NBA talent. He had pretty sizeable periods of all star level play. But he also fell off a cliff due to injuries for portions of it, including portions of playoff runs. I disagree he was one of the best #2 options ever on a chip team. Not really even an argument to be honest.

The dominant, top 5 Wade was gone by 2012. His 11-12' playoff run marked the end of his playoff dominance. In the 2nd title run, I wouldn't even paint him as all star level at all.

R. Johnson#3
08-28-2018, 01:25 PM
Hey, thank you for this response brother!

1. The bench unit was giving positive minutes while the starters came out flat and with a deficit all the time. I hate tbisbfor you but as I said, you need to know your stuff because if you watched the games you would know these things. Vee-Rex who is a Cavs fan has already backed it. I appreciate your troll attempt though.

2. No you didnít friend but itís funny you thought you were right when you once again didnít know what youíre talking about. Thank you!

3. They werenít going to pay Jordan Clarkson 18M or whatever to ride the bench and viewed him as a young piece for the future. Wade was gone after the year regardless and was playing for the minimum. The Cavs didnít improve much after the deadline but everyone sure thought they did after that first Celtics game lol. Praying for you!

4. Iíll tske his 13 years in Miami known as a great leader over him being called out once by someone heís always hated and who was looking for brownie points to try and save his career. Iíll also take the fact that every Miami player was ecstatic he was coming back and by how much his presence impacts them to be great. Justise Winslow was so depressed when Wade left that he quit the summer league team lol!

Have a great day, youíre better than this! We can end it here if youíd like as Iím clearly right and youíre clearly wrong again. I hate that I have to continuously do this to you and the guy whoís girl hates cod but you just keep trying me with these false claims and I canít help but shut them down. Youíre going to make me relapse if it doesnít stop! Pray for me while I also keep you guys in your prayers, we all need to be better but especially you two.

1. Please give an example.

2. Nuh uh

3. How they/you view Clarkson has nothing to do with the fact that they did better with him in Wadeís previous role. They got hot almost immediately after his departure. That speaks volumes especially when these new players came in and didnít know the system at all.

4. Still living in the past. I never said he was never a great leader. Some players just donít know when theyíre finished and it ends up hurting their teams (AI, Melo and Wade). While other players accept lesser roles, continue to contribute and maintain a solid veteran leadership in the locker room (VC and Dirk). Wade became buddy buddy with Butler and managed to divide the locker room and turn a team against itís coach. Then Cleveland happened. Youíre delusional if you think your boy is still a leader. The only thing heís going to lead the Heat to is a lottery pick.

WaDe03
08-28-2018, 02:55 PM
1. Please give an example.

2. Nuh uh

3. How they/you view Clarkson has nothing to do with the fact that they did better with him in Wadeís previous role. They got hot almost immediately after his departure. That speaks volumes especially when these new players came in and didnít know the system at all.

4. Still living in the past. I never said he was never a great leader. Some players just donít know when theyíre finished and it ends up hurting their teams (AI, Melo and Wade). While other players accept lesser roles, continue to contribute and maintain a solid veteran leadership in the locker room (VC and Dirk). Wade became buddy buddy with Butler and managed to divide the locker room and turn a team against itís coach. Then Cleveland happened. Youíre delusional if you think your boy is still a leader. The only thing heís going to lead the Heat to is a lottery pick.

1. Hereís a few of them but youíre really showing how ignorant you are to any of this. The theme before the deadline were the starters as a unit sucked and the bench would always come in to save the day.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/938813001

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955996820278259712

956099351448866817

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It was common theme all year, how soon they forget (or just never knew). Thank you for this!

2. You know better than to give false info, Iíve told you this before. Weíll continue to work together to better you and get you through this.

3. No they didnít lol. Iím tired of doing your research for you but here you go:

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612739&sort=MIN&dir=1

Bench pre all star: https://stats.nba.com/teams/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StarterBench=Bench&SeasonSegment=Pre%20All-Star

Bench post all star: https://stats.nba.com/teams/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StarterBench=Bench&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star

As you can clearly see here the Cavs bench was far worse post all star (no wade) and remember majority of the Cavs best lineups included Wade. So again, youíre wrong.

4. Now youíre switching your stance but thatís ok. Heís still a great leader, the Heat players were talking about it when he returned all year. Looks like another W for me!

God bless your soul brother, I hate that I have to keep doing this to you. I would love for you to continue to post here but if youíre going to post you have to have at least a clue what youíre talking about. You have given so many false claims that Iíve proven wrong today backed with articles, numbers, and just common knowledge. Youíre better than this, please show us all going forward. Smile today friend!

FlashBolt
08-28-2018, 03:36 PM
Well, I can't wait to be called a Wade hater by Heat fans but it's not news to anyone that Wade, quite frankly, is finished as an NBA starter. Can he come off the bench and help you get 15/4/4? Probably. But he doesn't play defense and will hinder younger talent. Now, Miami doesn't seem to have much going for them with their lack of moves lately but I just don't see Wade being a huge boost on a championship contender. I would love to have Wade on OKC off the bench because we need some better guard play but I just don't see how he can contribute on a contender any longer. My opinion is that Wade will retire a top 20-25 player of all-time. But Hawkeye is absolutely correct in stating that Wade was far from his peak when the Heat won two rings. He was constantly injured, wasn't able to dominate games willingly, and because of his pre-NBA injury and style of play, you could argue his career was shortened 2-3 years of his prime. It's funny people called them a superteam from 2012-2014 because they were far from that. Bosh and Wade were very good players but if you take a look at what Bird, Magic, MJ, and even Duncan had, there is no question that Miami Heat team was not a top superteam in NBA history. Prime Wade+LeBron? Man, I wish those two joined up earlier because they would have wreaked havoc around the league.

WaDe03
08-28-2018, 04:28 PM
Well, I can't wait to be called a Wade hater by Heat fans but it's not news to anyone that Wade, quite frankly, is finished as an NBA starter. Can he come off the bench and help you get 15/4/4? Probably. But he doesn't play defense and will hinder younger talent. Now, Miami doesn't seem to have much going for them with their lack of moves lately but I just don't see Wade being a huge boost on a championship contender. I would love to have Wade on OKC off the bench because we need some better guard play but I just don't see how he can contribute on a contender any longer. My opinion is that Wade will retire a top 20-25 player of all-time. But Hawkeye is absolutely correct in stating that Wade was far from his peak when the Heat won two rings. He was constantly injured, wasn't able to dominate games willingly, and because of his pre-NBA injury and style of play, you could argue his career was shortened 2-3 years of his prime. It's funny people called them a superteam from 2012-2014 because they were far from that. Bosh and Wade were very good players but if you take a look at what Bird, Magic, MJ, and even Duncan had, there is no question that Miami Heat team was not a top superteam in NBA history. Prime Wade+LeBron? Man, I wish those two joined up earlier because they would have wreaked havoc around the league.

Hey Flashbolt, great post here! I think he returns on a 1 year farewell tour deal of multiple years after some guys are traded to try and get some of his money back.

That 15-4-4 of the bench can definitely help a contender and letís not forget how great that Cavs bench was with him leading it, top 3 in the league I believe and he was defending. Thatís huge brother!!!

2011 was Wade still playing as a first option type player, after losing he decided he would take a step back and let LeBron be the clear cut first option. I think thatís where you see the decrease in numbers in 2012 and I think people are too harsh on his performance that year. Yes it was 26+ PPG wade weíre used to but it was still like 23 PPG while figuring out a new role heís never been in. 2013 playoffs were bad but thankfully he stepped up in the biggest moments, 2014 the one leg he played on in 2013 was now half a leg. 2016 Wade was very fun after all this though so it was nice to see.

Have a great day friend!!!

GiantsSwaGG
08-28-2018, 05:17 PM
I remember telling a poster Wade was done and he should consider playing in China with Marbury. If he put his pride aside he can do it. His NBA career is over!

WaDe03
08-28-2018, 05:49 PM
I remember telling a poster Wade was done and he should consider playing in China with Marbury. If he put his pride aside he can do it. His NBA career is over!

Hey neighbor! This was almost as bad of a bait as the other 2 guys! You all should go to a counseling class together and learn from these mistakes youíve recently made on here. Until then, Iíll be praying for all 3 of you!

Cal827
08-28-2018, 06:07 PM
Now seeing that I said that he was starting to decline a little bit in 2016, and he went on to post up like 25-5-4 on pretty good shooting splits, nearly eliminating the Raptors, I probably shouldn't say it :laugh2:

But yes, I think his career is in the twilight, which sucks because 2000s/Prime Wade was something else. Clutch shots, excellent defense, that speed... it was just amazing to watch him run Miami's offense/work off/on with LBJ when he went to the Heat. He was one of my favorites to watch, (along with Amar'e, who dominated almost anyone inside, including Duncan).

It's amazing to me on how much hate he receives on this site. The man is a first ballot HOFER, and if it weren't for Kobe being around at the same time, he would garner a ton more attention. Just appreciate his game, cause after this year, it'll be over.

GiantsSwaGG
08-28-2018, 06:49 PM
Now seeing that I said that he was starting to decline a little bit in 2016, and he went on to post up like 25-5-4 on pretty good shooting splits, nearly eliminating the Raptors, I probably shouldn't say it :laugh2:

But yes, I think his career is in the twilight, which sucks because 2000s/Prime Wade was something else. Clutch shots, excellent defense, that speed... it was just amazing to watch him run Miami's offense/work off/on with LBJ when he went to the Heat. He was one of my favorites to watch, (along with Amar'e, who dominated almost anyone inside, including Duncan).

It's amazing to me on how much hate he receives on this site. The man is a first ballot HOFER, and if it weren't for Kobe being around at the same time, he would garner a ton more attention. Just appreciate his game, cause after this year, it'll be over.

We donít hate him, we just think heís finished and he is. Itís just certain posters that think heís an all star still. China is his best route or the Big 3

MygirlhatesCod
08-28-2018, 07:00 PM
he is done. What is crazy to me is why Melo is still playing. I would rather have wade a million times over melo.

Cal827
08-28-2018, 07:08 PM
We donít hate him, we just think heís finished and he is. Itís just certain posters that think heís an all star still. China is his best route or the Big 3

Ah, now I understand.

Also, I can imagine Wade's agent telling him that he has a contract to form another big 3.... just to tell him he was referring to Ice Cube and Kevin Hart :laugh2:

FlashBolt
08-28-2018, 08:13 PM
Now seeing that I said that he was starting to decline a little bit in 2016, and he went on to post up like 25-5-4 on pretty good shooting splits, nearly eliminating the Raptors, I probably shouldn't say it :laugh2:

But yes, I think his career is in the twilight, which sucks because 2000s/Prime Wade was something else. Clutch shots, excellent defense, that speed... it was just amazing to watch him run Miami's offense/work off/on with LBJ when he went to the Heat. He was one of my favorites to watch, (along with Amar'e, who dominated almost anyone inside, including Duncan).

It's amazing to me on how much hate he receives on this site. The man is a first ballot HOFER, and if it weren't for Kobe being around at the same time, he would garner a ton more attention. Just appreciate his game, cause after this year, it'll be over.

Dude, his game has been over for years now. The peak prime of Wade ended in 2011. There is nothing to forget because it has been forgotten. He's a shell of himself and this isn't the same Wade who attacked the basket, dunked on players, etc., He's changed his game a lot since then.

Hawkeye15
08-28-2018, 10:17 PM
Now seeing that I said that he was starting to decline a little bit in 2016, and he went on to post up like 25-5-4 on pretty good shooting splits, nearly eliminating the Raptors, I probably shouldn't say it :laugh2:

But yes, I think his career is in the twilight, which sucks because 2000s/Prime Wade was something else. Clutch shots, excellent defense, that speed... it was just amazing to watch him run Miami's offense/work off/on with LBJ when he went to the Heat. He was one of my favorites to watch, (along with Amar'e, who dominated almost anyone inside, including Duncan).

It's amazing to me on how much hate he receives on this site. The man is a first ballot HOFER, and if it weren't for Kobe being around at the same time, he would garner a ton more attention. Just appreciate his game, cause after this year, it'll be over.

in Wade's peak, he was incredible. Likely better than Kobe. His longevity just doesn't hold up. And honestly, I am so sick of LeBron haters throwing their lasso around Wade's name as a teammate, when outside of year 1, he was never the same Wade again, and even went limp in crucial playoff series/runs. But, that is my deal, I try not to let it cloud my ranking of the dude.

Hawkeye15
08-28-2018, 10:18 PM
Dude, his game has been over for years now. The peak prime of Wade ended in 2011. There is nothing to forget because it has been forgotten. He's a shell of himself and this isn't the same Wade who attacked the basket, dunked on players, etc., He's changed his game a lot since then.

exactly. Wade was awesome in year 1 of the Big 3. Then he declined and dealt with injuries, and needed to change his style to more conservative. He wasn't the Wade that Bron probably thought he was getting haha.

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 09:38 AM
in Wade's peak, he was incredible. Likely better than Kobe. His longevity just doesn't hold up. And honestly, I am so sick of LeBron haters throwing their lasso around Wade's name as a teammate, when outside of year 1, he was never the same Wade again, and even went limp in crucial playoff series/runs. But, that is my deal, I try not to let it cloud my ranking of the dude.

Great post but you need to also account for the fact that the LeBron lovers **** on Wade Bosh Love Kyrie etc in any way possible to boost LeBron. Itís just the way it is.

Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 09:41 AM
Great post but you need to also account for the fact that the LeBron lovers **** on Wade Bosh Love Kyrie etc in any way possible to boost LeBron. Itís just the way it is.

valid point dude. For sure.

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 10:02 AM
2012 Wade is so much better than he gets credit for.

Regular season: 22-5-5-2-1 on 52% shooting

Playoffs: 23-5-4-2-1 on 46% shooting

Finals: 23-6-5-1-1 44% shooting and locked Harden up.

The difference from the 2011 season to the 2012 season was him taking the role as the 2nd option a taking 1 less shot and 3 less free throws from not attacking as much in his new role. Give him those back and heís averaged 25+ again.

Wade in 2013 is slept on as well but when his knee was bogged down with fluid and he wasnít playing like himself in the playoffs I guess thatís understandable, Iím just happy he stepped up when they needed him most.

Regular season: 21-5-5-1-1 on 52% shooting (3 less shots and free throws than 2011)

Playoffs: 16-5-5-2-1 46% shooting (rough, pushing the win streak probably didnít help)

Finals: 20-4-5-2-1 48% shooting (better than he gets credit for but the game by game swings were huge) series saving game 4 and a big game 7 to help LeBron close it out.

RowBTrice
08-29-2018, 11:06 AM
Wade's clock is not ticking. It's just flat out done. Was done before he even joined the bulls a couple years ago. His best route is China. If he wants to stay in the states, his best route is a bench role in the Big 3 league to save his knees and health. He's always hurt and "saving it for the playoffs" lol

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 11:13 AM
Wade's clock is not ticking. It's just flat out done. Was done before he even joined the bulls a couple years ago. His best route is China. If he wants to stay in the states, his best route is a bench role in the Big 3 league to save his knees and health. He's always hurt and "saving it for the playoffs" lol

Hey friend! You should know almost better than anyone about his playoff play bring a bulls fan who was destroyed many times by him! LeBron wouldíve loved his 17-4-4 off the bench in the playoffs last year I know that for sure. Your favorite team explains your hate though brother! I hope you can make it through this and better yourself!

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 11:15 AM
It really is a shame Riley screwed this team with multiple bad contracts. Last year, this year, and the next woukdbe been great opportunities free agency wise and Wade could actually go out competing.

That 17-4-4 off the bench would be huge for a contender.

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 01:47 PM
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Elite closers will always be elite closers though. Wade was still elite in 2012.

SportsFanatic10
08-29-2018, 02:34 PM
no, when you crash into everything in site through your 20's, your "playing style" results in injuries. Anyone with a brain knew Wade's body would quit on him well before the average NBA player. As expected, at times he was healthier than others, but when I have to read LeBron had this ungodly amount of help because the name "Wade" and "Bosh" were on the backs of 2 jersey's, all while that same person ignores the fact that Wade and Bosh both dealt with all the reasons that made them far lesser players throughout very key time periods in the trio's time together, I get a short fuse over the subject.

"if healthy" becomes part of the sentence when talking about guys like Wade as they get into their 30's. **** happens when you refuse to get a jump shot and stop crashing into everything.

That's what I loved about his game the most! I know it's not necessarily smart, but for me I admire athletes that play every game like it's their last. He always left it all on the floor and refused to settle for outside shots when he could get in the paint at will and was willing to take the contact and hard falls. It's kinda like a NFL QB who won't slide to avoid the hit, and fights for every yard. I always loved Vick's game for that season too lol (Not what he did off the field obviously though.)

But in fairness to Wade his midrange jumper and post game were always pretty solid. His knee messed up his jumper as well since he doesn't get the lift on his shot. Lebron even said he can tell how Wade's feeling health wise by his jumpshot. But he has underrated footwork and craftiness. If you watched him closely the last few years he has quite a few "old man" tricks, he's obviously much less effective but it's not like he hasn't made changes to his game at all. There was never anything he was going to be able to do about his knee as he aged, playing differently might of bought him a bit more time, but he wouldn't of been Dwyane Wade then.

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 02:40 PM
That's what I loved about his game the most! I know it's not necessarily smart, but for me I admire athletes that play every game like it's their last. He always left it all on the floor and refused to settle for outside shots when he could get in the paint at will and was willing to take the contact and hard falls. It's kinda like a NFL QB who won't slide to avoid the hit, and fights for every yard. I always loved Vick's game for that season too lol (Not what he did off the field obviously though.)

But in fairness to Wade his midrange jumper and post game were always pretty solid. His knee messed up his jumper as well since he doesn't get the lift on his shot. Lebron even said he can tell how Wade's feeling health wise by his jumpshot. But he has underrated footwork and craftiness. If you watched him closely the last few years he has quite a few "old man" tricks, he's obviously much less effective but it's not like he hasn't made changes to his game at all. There was never anything he was going to be able to do about his knee as he aged, playing differently might of bought him a bit more time, but he wouldn't of been Dwyane Wade then.

Great post friend! The biggest factor in Wade decline above all else is the simple fact that he shouldnít have had his meniscus removed in 2002. Very bad decision that he says he wish he could take back.

SportsFanatic10
08-29-2018, 02:58 PM
Great post friend! The biggest factor in Wade decline above all else is the simple fact that he shouldnít have had his meniscus removed in 2002. Very bad decision that he says he wish he could take back.

No doubt...I don't get why so many people seem to hate on him so much. It's crazy the amount of people who act like he doesn't even belong in the league the last few years lol. Like he's not close to what he once was everyone gets it. But he was so good that even the shell of his former self version can still be a contributor. If he still wants to play it's not like he's the worst player in the league or even close to it as people make it seem. He was literally the Heat's best player in 15-16, the Bulls 2nd best player in 16-17, and the Cavs 3rd or 4th best player as well as the Heat's 3rd or 4th best player last year, and 2nd best in the Playoffs. Like have some respect for an alltime great and enjoy his last games while you can! He still comes up with those big vintage moments and games that bring a tear to my eye from time to time lol.

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 04:47 PM
No doubt...I don't get why so many people seem to hate on him so much. It's crazy the amount of people who act like he doesn't even belong in the league the last few years lol. Like he's not close to what he once was everyone gets it. But he was so good that even the shell of his former self version can still be a contributor. If he still wants to play it's not like he's the worst player in the league or even close to it as people make it seem. He was literally the Heat's best player in 15-16, the Bulls 2nd best player in 16-17, and the Cavs 3rd or 4th best player as well as the Heat's 3rd or 4th best player last year, and 2nd best in the Playoffs. Like have some respect for an alltime great and enjoy his last games while you can! He still comes up with those big vintage moments and games that bring a tear to my eye from time to time lol.

Exactly brother! Any team would love 17-4-4 and all time clutch off their bench!

MygirlhatesCod
08-29-2018, 05:15 PM
Exactly brother! Any team would love 17-4-4 and all time clutch off their bench!

What is the 17-4-4 supposed to stand for?

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 05:33 PM
What is the 17-4-4 supposed to stand for?

Hey great question brother! Those are his playoff numbers this year! Thank you for asking, hope you didnít think you were about to get one over on me! Remember, weíre all in this together!

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 05:35 PM
R. Johnson, where did you go friend? You asked for example and I gave you many and now youíve went in to hiding! Was I too harsh in proving you wrong to the point I made you look dumb (pardon me)? If so let me know so I can work on bettering myself and cook the roast in a more respectable manner that wonít hurt anyone. Thank you brother and I hope to hear from you again!

MygirlhatesCod
08-29-2018, 05:51 PM
Hey great question brother! Those are his playoff numbers this year! Thank you for asking, hope you didnít think you were about to get one over on me! Remember, weíre all in this together!

Thought thatís what you think wade would give off the bench in the rs.

That heat team he did that with wasnít really pushing out talent. someone had to get points.

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 07:05 PM
Thought thatís what you think wade would give off the bench in the rs.

That heat team he did that with wasnít really pushing out talent. someone had to get points.

That Heat team is well balanced but their missing a star player. He couldíve done the same in the Cavs as his rs numbers on the Cavs were identical. LeBron wouldíve left the help in crunch time too knowing he had one of the best closers ever next to him. Wouldíve taken pressure off him and opposing teams would have to have eyes on him at all times.

R. Johnson#3
09-05-2018, 05:34 AM
R. Johnson, where did you go friend? You asked for example and I gave you many and now youíve went in to hiding! Was I too harsh in proving you wrong to the point I made you look dumb (pardon me)? If so let me know so I can work on bettering myself and cook the roast in a more respectable manner that wonít hurt anyone. Thank you brother and I hope to hear from you again!

My bad, was working on the island all weekend and didn't have data on my phone. You mind digging up your old post where you proved me wrong again? I don't know what page it'd be on.

WaDe03
09-05-2018, 09:27 AM
My bad, was working on the island all weekend and didn't have data on my phone. You mind digging up your old post where you proved me wrong again? I don't know what page it'd be on.

Great morning and god bless you!!!!

Thereís only a few pages my friend and I would say theyíre on the previous page and/or page before.

R. Johnson#3
09-05-2018, 10:55 AM
Great morning and god bless you!!!!

Thereís only a few pages my friend and I would say theyíre on the previous page and/or page before.

I can't seem to find them? All you did was post quotes and some advanced stats yet still the Cavs had a better record once Wade left? I'm still waiting for you to somehow prove me wrong?

WaDe03
09-05-2018, 11:29 AM
I can't seem to find them? All you did was post quotes and some advanced stats yet still the Cavs had a better record once Wade left? I'm still waiting for you to somehow prove me wrong?

Oh no, I thought you were smarter than this. I shouldíve known better after you have consistently given false info though. My posts and vee-Rex comments prove Wade made the Cavs better than any improvement they had (not much) didnít come from Wade being gone as the team was much better with him on the floor.

They won at not even a full % higher rate after the ASB and their net rating dropped significantly so they were worse lol.

Weíve been at each other a few times, you should know better than this by now my friend. I shut you down with facts every time to the point you start making things up. Then youíre called out on false info and try to play it off and the disappear.

God bless your soul and may you learn from your mistakes! Put a smile on that face and be better from this!

R. Johnson#3
09-05-2018, 12:19 PM
Oh no, I thought you were smarter than this. I shouldíve known better after you have consistently given false info though. My posts and vee-Rex comments prove Wade made the Cavs better than any improvement they had (not much) didnít come from Wade being gone as the team was much better with him on the floor.

They won at not even a full % higher rate after the ASB and their net rating dropped significantly so they were worse lol.

Weíve been at each other a few times, you should know better than this by now my friend. I shut you down with facts every time to the point you start making things up. Then youíre called out on false info and try to play it off and the disappear.

God bless your soul and may you learn from your mistakes! Put a smile on that face and be better from this!

Iím still waiting to see how Wade made the Cavs better when they actually did better after his departure.

I donít understand how having a better winning % but a lower net rating makes a team worse? Isnít the main objective to win the game? This isnít fantasy basketball here. Thereís only one fact thatís been presented and thatís that the Cavs has a better win% once Wade left. All youíve given are opinions and net ratings. Neither of which win basketball games. Just because you keep saying youíre right doesnít make it so.

WaDe03
09-05-2018, 12:25 PM
Iím still waiting to see how Wade made the Cavs better when they actually did better after his departure.

I donít understand how having a better winning % but a lower net rating makes a team worse? Isnít the main objective to win the game? This isnít fantasy basketball here. Thereís only one fact thatís been presented and thatís that the Cavs has a better win% once Wade left. All youíve given are opinions and net ratings. Neither of which win basketball games. Just because you keep saying youíre right doesnít make it so.

Youíre acting as if it was just Wade leaving that made them ďbetterĒ. Pretty much like they just dropped Wade and kept the same team and improved. Iíve given you facts that show Wade made them better when he was on the floor. Youíre grasping for straws now trying to cling to any ounce of an argument you have (you donít have one). I hope you learn from your mistakes, you learn more from failure than you do from success.

R. Johnson#3
09-05-2018, 12:33 PM
Youíre acting as if it was just Wade leaving that made them ďbetterĒ. Pretty much like they just dropped Wade and kept the same team and improved. Iíve given you facts that show Wade made them better when he was on the floor. Youíre grasping for straws now trying to cling to any ounce of an argument you have (you donít have one). I hope you learn from your mistakes, you learn more from failure than you do from success.

I donít get a God bless you this time?

They didnít keep the same team. They added players that arenít that good and they actually did better. So yeah, common sense should dictate that they were better off without Wade.

I havenít grasped for a single straw. Iíve maintained my argument from the start and given you the only fact in this whole conversation (the win%) and then you start talking about net ratings and how Wade was a great leader 6 years ago. If anything, itís you whoís grasping for straws.

FlashBolt
09-05-2018, 12:50 PM
I donít get a God bless you this time?

They didnít keep the same team. They added players that arenít that good and they actually did better. So yeah, common sense should dictate that they were better off without Wade.

I havenít grasped for a single straw. Iíve maintained my argument from the start and given you the only fact in this whole conversation (the win%) and then you start talking about net ratings and how Wade was a great leader 6 years ago. If anything, itís you whoís grasping for straws.

How does what you said make any sense? It wasn't just Wade who was traded. In reality, Wade could have stayed with Cleveland had he still wanted but he chose to go back to Miami. But I have trouble seeing where the Cavs were worse with Wade to where you seem to say so definitively. With Wade, they had a 58% win rate. Post-Wade trade, they were a 61% win team. That's hardly enough of a disparity to blame Wade for. Isaiah Thomas, Shumpert, Crowder, and Rose were also traded. Not a single one of those players were contributing positively to the team. Do you see where I would have a disagreement? Isaiah Thomas was a negative production player. Shumpert was always injured and can't shoot. Crowder was revealed to be the ultimate beneficiary of the Brad Stevens system. And Rose? Do I need to explain anything about him?

WaDe03
09-05-2018, 01:59 PM
How does what you said make any sense? It wasn't just Wade who was traded. In reality, Wade could have stayed with Cleveland had he still wanted but he chose to go back to Miami. But I have trouble seeing where the Cavs were worse with Wade to where you seem to say so definitively. With Wade, they had a 58% win rate. Post-Wade trade, they were a 61% win team. That's hardly enough of a disparity to blame Wade for. Isaiah Thomas, Shumpert, Crowder, and Rose were also traded. Not a single one of those players were contributing positively to the team. Do you see where I would have a disagreement? Isaiah Thomas was a negative production player. Shumpert was always injured and can't shoot. Crowder was revealed to be the ultimate beneficiary of the Brad Stevens system. And Rose? Do I need to explain anything about him?

Thank you Flashbolt and great post. The dude is so dense and I use facts and numbers to back my claim and theyíre just all dismissed lol. How is a team better off without a player who had the highest net rating in the rotation? The players they got in trades outplayed guys like crowder Rose It And Shump but none came close to outplaying the production Wade was given so thatís why you see a slight increase in win %. The teams net rating as a whole dropped in to the negatives post Wade as well. Even LeBron said he wishes they had Wade in the finals, thatís oretty telling.

R. Johnson god bless you again but you have got to be better than this. Iím sick of it and you make it too easy. Iíll be praying.

R. Johnson#3
09-05-2018, 03:11 PM
Thank you Flashbolt and great post. The dude is so dense and I use facts and numbers to back my claim and theyíre just all dismissed lol. How is a team better off without a player who had the highest net rating in the rotation? The players they got in trades outplayed guys like crowder Rose It And Shump but none came close to outplaying the production Wade was given so thatís why you see a slight increase in win %. The teams net rating as a whole dropped in to the negatives post Wade as well. Even LeBron said he wishes they had Wade in the finals, thatís oretty telling.

R. Johnson god bless you again but you have got to be better than this. Iím sick of it and you make it too easy. Iíll be praying.

Did any of IT, Rose or Shump even play in 20 games for the Cavs this season? Nope. They didn't really have a chance to bring a negative effect to the Cavs like Wade did. I know it's a hard pill to swallow but Jordan Clarkson did much better in the 6th man role than Wade did. It translated into more wins. It's hard to believe considering Wade is such a great leader too.

I'm still waiting to see all these facts and numbers you're talking about. An article with Lebron saying he wishes Wade was in Cleveland isn't a fact that he did good for the team. Lebron wanted Big Perk on the Cavs, does that mean he's good? You've been hoping for posters like Flash and Vee-Rex to jump in and save you because you actually have no facts. Your last post proves that too. I was still waiting for facts and you just echoed what Flashbolt said.

WaDe03
09-05-2018, 06:31 PM
Did any of IT, Rose or Shump even play in 20 games for the Cavs this season? Nope. They didn't really have a chance to bring a negative effect to the Cavs like Wade did. I know it's a hard pill to swallow but Jordan Clarkson did much better in the 6th man role than Wade did. It translated into more wins. It's hard to believe considering Wade is such a great leader too.

I'm still waiting to see all these facts and numbers you're talking about. An article with Lebron saying he wishes Wade was in Cleveland isn't a fact that he did good for the team. Lebron wanted Big Perk on the Cavs, does that mean he's good? You've been hoping for posters like Flash and Vee-Rex to jump in and save you because you actually have no facts. Your last post proves that too. I was still waiting for facts and you just echoed what Flashbolt said.

Wade brought no negative impact though is the thing youíre not understanding lol! They played better with him on the court than they did with him off and the bench was carrying the load majority of his time there with him leading the way. Iíve told you this multiple times so idk what youíre not understanding.

Clarkson did not play better than Wade in the 6 man role on Cleveland and as you saw was unplayable in the finals because heís garbage.

Clarkson: 13-2-2-1 -0.7 net rating

Wade: 11-4-4-1-1 +2.4 net rating

Cavs did worse with Clarkson on the court and the Cavs did much better. He was better offensively and defensively and still took over games in the clutch with the Cavs, LeBron claimed at 1 point he was 6MOY, LeBron said he wished they had Wade in the finals. You know who they did have in he finals? Clarkson, who was constantly ******** the bed and was so bad that LeBron came out and said he wishes Wade was there.

Take a seat, the roast is almost ready.

IKnowHoops
09-06-2018, 12:14 AM
Cavs were definitely better with Wade last season.

FlashBolt
09-06-2018, 02:30 AM
Did any of IT, Rose or Shump even play in 20 games for the Cavs this season? Nope. They didn't really have a chance to bring a negative effect to the Cavs like Wade did. I know it's a hard pill to swallow but Jordan Clarkson did much better in the 6th man role than Wade did. It translated into more wins. It's hard to believe considering Wade is such a great leader too.

I'm still waiting to see all these facts and numbers you're talking about. An article with Lebron saying he wishes Wade was in Cleveland isn't a fact that he did good for the team. Lebron wanted Big Perk on the Cavs, does that mean he's good? You've been hoping for posters like Flash and Vee-Rex to jump in and save you because you actually have no facts. Your last post proves that too. I was still waiting for facts and you just echoed what Flashbolt said.

Wrong post

R. Johnson#3
09-06-2018, 10:01 AM
Wade brought no negative impact though is the thing youíre not understanding lol! They played better with him on the court than they did with him off and the bench was carrying the load majority of his time there with him leading the way. Iíve told you this multiple times so idk what youíre not understanding.

Clarkson did not play better than Wade in the 6 man role on Cleveland and as you saw was unplayable in the finals because heís garbage.

Clarkson: 13-2-2-1 -0.7 net rating

Wade: 11-4-4-1-1 +2.4 net rating

Cavs did worse with Clarkson on the court and the Cavs did much better. He was better offensively and defensively and still took over games in the clutch with the Cavs, LeBron claimed at 1 point he was 6MOY, LeBron said he wished they had Wade in the finals. You know who they did have in he finals? Clarkson, who was constantly ******** the bed and was so bad that LeBron came out and said he wishes Wade was there.

Take a seat, the roast is almost ready.

Clarkson was a much better fit in that role over Wade considering the Cavs won at a higher clip than they did with Wade ďleadingĒ the bench. Itís also clear to see that Wade benefitted from playing with those bench players because he played even worse when he went to Miami. Not to mention Clarkson can actually share the floor with Lebron because he can actually shoot 3ís where as Wade would just take the ball out of Lebronís hands. He did way more damage than good and their win/loss record before his departure shows that.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 10:48 AM
Clarkson was a much better fit in that role over Wade considering the Cavs won at a higher clip than they did with Wade ďleadingĒ the bench. Itís also clear to see that Wade benefitted from playing with those bench players because he played even worse when he went to Miami. Not to mention Clarkson can actually share the floor with Lebron because he can actually shoot 3ís where as Wade would just take the ball out of Lebronís hands. He did way more damage than good and their win/loss record before his departure shows that.

He played terrible in the role and was unplayable in the finals, you have absolutely no clue what youíre talking about. The benchís production fell off pretty bad after Wade left but the starters improved and I posted the numbers a couple pages back to prove it. I also posted the numbers to show you Wades impact was much larger than Clarksons (who had a negative impact on the court). Itís ok to admit your wrong man, youíre grasping st straws. I know you feel the need to come at me every time I post but you havenít stepped up to the plate any time with a legit argument and constantly make things up. Multiple people have backed my stance while itís just you over there defending your stances.

God bless you son!

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 10:50 AM
Also some of the Cavs best lineups included both Wade and LeBron so again youíre wrong.

R. Johnson#3
09-06-2018, 11:20 AM
He played terrible in the role and was unplayable in the finals, you have absolutely no clue what youíre talking about. The benchís production fell off pretty bad after Wade left but the starters improved and I posted the numbers a couple pages back to prove it. I also posted the numbers to show you Wades impact was much larger than Clarksons (who had a negative impact on the court). Itís ok to admit your wrong man, youíre grasping st straws. I know you feel the need to come at me every time I post but you havenít stepped up to the plate any time with a legit argument and constantly make things up. Multiple people have backed my stance while itís just you over there defending your stances.

God bless you son!

Actually he did much better than Wade because they started winning more. The only thing Wade had that was better than Clarkson was a net rating but the Cavs still won more with Clarkson in that role. Clarkson obviously brought more to the table than Wade could otherwise hey wouldnít have given him away for a future 2nd.

These Cav lineups that had both Wade and Lebron that were supposedly ďsome of the bestĒ. Iíd like to see some numbers that back that because thatís clearly a lie.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 12:35 PM
Actually he did much better than Wade because they started winning more. The only thing Wade had that was better than Clarkson was a net rating but the Cavs still won more with Clarkson in that role. Clarkson obviously brought more to the table than Wade could otherwise hey wouldnít have given him away for a future 2nd.

These Cav lineups that had both Wade and Lebron that were supposedly ďsome of the bestĒ. Iíd like to see some numbers that back that because thatís clearly a lie.

To respond to your first paragraph, youíre clueless if this is the line of thinking. The bench got worse when Wade left, the starters got much better after the trades and thatís why they improved and Iíve backed that with the numbers. Had they kept that bench group together they wouldíve been even better.

To respond to your last sentence.

The Cavs top 5 most used lineups of the season:

Calderon-LeBron-JR-Crowder-Love +8.3 net rating

Hill-LeBron-Osman-Smith-Thompson -6 net rating

Thomas-Smith-Crowder-LeBron-Love -22.3 net rating

Thomas-Smith-LeBron-Crowder-Thompson -22.4 net rating

Wade-Korver-LeBron-Green-Frye +22.5 net rating

Obviously a lie though right? I guess I kind of did lie though because I said ďsome of the bestĒ when I shouldíve actually said THE BEST Cavs lineup this year included both Wade and LeBron on the floor.

Just admit youíre clueless and move on, Iím tired of doing this to you. You were hungry and now youíre stuffed full of roast.

R. Johnson#3
09-06-2018, 12:52 PM
To respond to your first paragraph, youíre clueless if this is the line of thinking. The bench got worse when Wade left, the starters got much better after the trades and thatís why they improved and Iíve backed that with the numbers. Had they kept that bench group together they wouldíve been even better.

To respond to your last sentence.

The Cavs top 5 most used lineups of the season:

Calderon-LeBron-JR-Crowder-Love +8.3 net rating

Hill-LeBron-Osman-Smith-Thompson -6 net rating

Thomas-Smith-Crowder-LeBron-Love -22.3 net rating

Thomas-Smith-LeBron-Crowder-Thompson -22.4 net rating

Wade-Korver-LeBron-Green-Frye +22.5 net rating

Obviously a lie though right? I guess I kind of did lie though because I said ďsome of the bestĒ when I shouldíve actually said THE BEST Cavs lineup this year included both Wade and LeBron on the floor.

Just admit youíre clueless and move on, Iím tired of doing this to you. You were hungry and now youíre stuffed full of roast.

Iím curious to know how a lineup of Wade, Korver, Lebron, Green and Frye was one of the top 5 most used lineups for the Cavs when Frye played barely any minutes while he was on the Cavs. Itís also funny how thatís the only lineup you have featuring Wade. He clearly needed Lebron on the floor to do all the leg work. So much for him ďleadingĒ the bench eh? Youíre just proving yourself wrong now.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 01:35 PM
Iím curious to know how a lineup of Wade, Korver, Lebron, Green and Frye was one of the top 5 most used lineups for the Cavs when Frye played barely any minutes while he was on the Cavs. Itís also funny how thatís the only lineup you have featuring Wade. He clearly needed Lebron on the floor to do all the leg work. So much for him ďleadingĒ the bench eh? Youíre just proving yourself wrong now.

It was their 5th most used lineup this season, do your own research if you donít believe me. Actually it would help if you did some research period because you clearly donít know what youíre talking about.

So now that you see the Cavs best lineup this season featured both LeBron and Wade it now turns to LeBrkn carrying? Lmao ok, good job trying to flip the script when you were wrong yet again.

Itís the only lineup in top 5 minutes used that features Wade because obviously starters are going to play more than the bench units. Goodness man come on.

Again, Iíve already given you the bench numbers pre and post Wade which is not including LeBron that show how much better the bench performed with Wade than it did with Clarkson.

Youíre not good at this, time to give up.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 01:42 PM
1. Hereís a few of them but youíre really showing how ignorant you are to any of this. The theme before the deadline were the starters as a unit sucked and the bench would always come in to save the day.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/938813001

938160662844510209

955996820278259712

956099351448866817

945400462236438529

957685772403933184

It was common theme all year, how soon they forget (or just never knew). Thank you for this!

2. You know better than to give false info, Iíve told you this before. Weíll continue to work together to better you and get you through this.

3. No they didnít lol. Iím tired of doing your research for you but here you go:

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612739&sort=MIN&dir=1

Bench pre all star: https://stats.nba.com/teams/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StarterBench=Bench&SeasonSegment=Pre%20All-Star

Bench post all star: https://stats.nba.com/teams/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StarterBench=Bench&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star

As you can clearly see here the Cavs bench was far worse post all star (no wade) and remember majority of the Cavs best lineups included Wade. So again, youíre wrong.

4. Now youíre switching your stance but thatís ok. Heís still a great leader, the Heat players were talking about it when he returned all year. Looks like another W for me!

God bless your soul brother, I hate that I have to keep doing this to you. I would love for you to continue to post here but if youíre going to post you have to have at least a clue what youíre talking about. You have given so many false claims that Iíve proven wrong today backed with articles, numbers, and just common knowledge. Youíre better than this, please show us all going forward. Smile today friend!











Here you go R.Johnson. Hereís the bench unit number AGAIN. As you can see, the Cavs bench pre all star (with Wade) was top 5 in the league. Post all star (without Wade) they are the 17th best bench. Thatís a huge drop off and just shows you the starters improved with the moves and thatís why the Cavs got better.

You have 0 argument and have had no argument this entire time. Called me a liar when I said some of the best lineups had Wade and LeBron then tried to flip the script and say it was because LeBron was carrying whenever you saw the Cavs best lineup had Wade and LeBron.

Went back to back on you like Drake to end it.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 01:45 PM
Here you go R.Johnson. Hereís the bench unit number AGAIN. As you can see, the Cavs bench pre all star (with Wade) was top 5 in the league. Post all star (without Wade) they are the 17th best bench. Thatís a huge drop off and just shows you the starters improved with the moves and thatís why the Cavs got better.

You have 0 argument and have had no argument this entire time. Called me a liar when I said some of the best lineups had Wade and LeBron then tried to flip the script and say it was because LeBron was carrying whenever you saw the Cavs best lineup had Wade and LeBron.

Went back to back on you like Drake to end it.

Put a gap here towards the bottom with my new response, itís throwing it in the quote for some reason.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 01:48 PM
Back to back like Iím Jordan 96 97 woah!!!

God bless you all!

R. Johnson#3
09-06-2018, 02:25 PM
It was their 5th most used lineup this season, do your own research if you donít believe me. Actually it would help if you did some research period because you clearly donít know what youíre talking about.

So now that you see the Cavs best lineup this season featured both LeBron and Wade it now turns to LeBrkn carrying? Lmao ok, good job trying to flip the script when you were wrong yet again.

Itís the only lineup in top 5 minutes used that features Wade because obviously starters are going to play more than the bench units. Goodness man come on.

Again, Iíve already given you the bench numbers pre and post Wade which is not including LeBron that show how much better the bench performed with Wade than it did with Clarkson.

Youíre not good at this, time to give up.

I disagree. Judging by your responses I think it's clear to see that I'm very good at this.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 02:33 PM
I disagree. Judging by your responses I think it's clear to see that I'm very good at this.

Proved you wrong again and this time you choked when it came time to reply with actual facts. Take a seat and do some research because youíve been demolished by me yet again.

I will say it was disrespectful of me to go back to back on you (a Toronto fan) like I was Drake (Toronto native and ambassador) so I do apologize for that but sometimes you just have to shut it down.

God bless you and I pray that you learn from your transgressions.

MygirlhatesCod
09-06-2018, 02:56 PM
It was their 5th most used lineup this season, do your own research if you donít believe me. Actually it would help if you did some research period because you clearly donít know what youíre talking about.

So now that you see the Cavs best lineup this season featured both LeBron and Wade it now turns to LeBrkn carrying? Lmao ok, good job trying to flip the script when you were wrong yet again.

Itís the only lineup in top 5 minutes used that features Wade because obviously starters are going to play more than the bench units. Goodness man come on.

Again, Iíve already given you the bench numbers pre and post Wade which is not including LeBron that show how much better the bench performed with Wade than it did with Clarkson.

Youíre not good at this, time to give up.

the 5th most used lineup you are referring to only played for 87 min. and of those minutes 61 were played mostly against sub 500 teams in the east. that same lineup had a net rating of -14.8 against the west.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 03:01 PM
the 5th most used lineup you are referring to only played for 87 min. and of those minutes 61 were played mostly against sub 500 teams in the east. that same lineup had a net rating of -14.8 against the west.

You can break down any lineup like that and find flaws if you wanted but the facts are the facts. They didnít have any lineup that played a ton together due to player movement.

MygirlhatesCod
09-06-2018, 03:05 PM
You can break down any lineup like that and find flaws if you wanted but the facts are the facts. They didnít have any lineup that played a ton together due to player movement.

I know that. which is why using the "5th" best lineup as a base isn't as substantial as you think.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 03:19 PM
I know that. which is why using the "5th" best lineup as a base isn't as substantial as you think.

5th most used lineup, which was their best lineup by far.

The basis of the entire argument was that Wade made the Cavs worse while Clarkson made them better which I debunked multiple times.

MygirlhatesCod
09-06-2018, 03:32 PM
5th most used lineup, which was their best lineup by far.

The basis of the entire argument was that Wade made the Cavs worse while Clarkson made them better which I debunked multiple times.

argument aside, using a misleading stat like that is garbage!

the most minutes against one team using that lineup (16 btw) was against the bulls. that net rating against the bulls was 56.4.

try harder next time. I have faith you will learn from this.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 04:06 PM
argument aside, using a misleading stat like that is garbage!

the most minutes against one team using that lineup (16 btw) was against the bulls. that net rating against the bulls was 56.4.

try harder next time. I have faith you will learn from this.

Donít make me come at you again kid, at least R.Johnson is somewhat respectable. Youíre just a plain joke in need of all the prayers youíll get so in the meantime Iíll give them to you little guy.

MygirlhatesCod
09-06-2018, 04:15 PM
Donít make me come at you again kid, at least R.Johnson is somewhat respectable. Youíre just a plain joke in need of all the prayers youíll get so in the meantime Iíll give them to you little guy.

you are really good at responding with nothing.

please get better.

WaDe03
09-06-2018, 04:47 PM
you are really good at responding with nothing.

please get better.

God bless this little mans soul! May the good lord bring joy to your life and help you get through your past transgressions! In his name we pray!

Chronz
09-06-2018, 05:14 PM
Yeah they could've done a better job with the identity for the teams final stand, either Lue couldn't think of it or management gave him notice. Which given how they learned of Wade being shipped off, the latter seems vital. They just had trust in the higher paid incumbent. Honestly Cleveland should've just waived and taken the financial hit on some of these malcontents.

Wade wouldve been a great lift in the loffs and not been JR. They could've carved out an actual role for Cedi or Hood, or target players in a trade who better fit wade and bron.

The pairing didn't work from the start but that was with Crowder and bums at the 1 + the injuries. And maybe it's not a starting option but it still served a vital purpose for the team. That Bron/Wade/Korver triumvirate was the team's most effective vs the opposition than any on Cleveland. To get rid of one of ur most effective lineups so needlessly, it was obvious they were hoping to recapture magic, without kyrie, that was dumb and it was then I knew they weren't interested in giving lebron a single shot at winning, yet he almost got a game if not for jr

Chronz
09-06-2018, 05:29 PM
argument aside, using a misleading stat like that is garbage!

the most minutes against one team using that lineup (16 btw) was against the bulls. that net rating against the bulls was 56.4.

try harder next time. I have faith you will learn from this.
Yeah the sample size makes it less relevant but it was ditched too soon based on its success and there were a multitude of reasons for their early season failures. given that wade is simply at the stage where he's only a playoff performer, wouldn't you rather have him than the wide eyed newbies for the post season mixer? They should've cut JR, traded for better fits and if they badly wanted to keep their pick, fine but I could have seen the clippers trading their 2 lotto picks for theirs+DJ. Bron spoke about what a lift that would've given him and the team during the playoffs. They would've shed the TT contract, possibly gotten one of our prospects.

I would've loved to see them close with Wade, Bron, DJ and then decide offense defense with Love/Green and some combination of shooting vs athleticism with Hill/Hood/Korver

MygirlhatesCod
09-06-2018, 06:43 PM
Yeah the sample size makes it less relevant but it was ditched too soon based on its success and there were a multitude of reasons for their early season failures. given that wade is simply at the stage where he's only a playoff performer, wouldn't you rather have him than the wide eyed newbies for the post season mixer? They should've cut JR, traded for better fits and if they badly wanted to keep their pick, fine but I could have seen the clippers trading their 2 lotto picks for theirs+DJ. Bron spoke about what a lift that would've given him and the team during the playoffs. They would've shed the TT contract, possibly gotten one of our prospects.

I would've loved to see them close with Wade, Bron, DJ and then decide offense defense with Love/Green and some combination of shooting vs athleticism with Hill/Hood/Korver

I would have constructed the team differently from the jump. I agree having wade in the playoffs would have been a plus. You could say the same for rose. There were so many holes in cleaveland itís a true testament to how great Lebron is and how garbage the east is.

The dj trade would have been really good for both sides only If the cavs had been assured Lebron would stay.

WaDe03
09-07-2018, 04:10 PM
Moment of silence for R.Johnson. He was a good man, just very misinformed and was stuck in his ways. I never meant it to come to this but we donít have a say in everything in our lives. We may have one thing planned and the good lord has another. You just have to go with the flow and continue to grow and build yourself up day after day. Be better tomorrow than you were yesterday and then the day after that be even better and one day you will be where you want to be and living out your dreams. If itís meant to be itíll be, just let it be. If it isnít then it wonít and you have to move on with yourself and not be stuck in past failures if you truly want to better yourself. Failures can be a great thing if you have the right mindset R.Johnson. I like to think of failure as my best tool for learning. In my life Iíve personally learned much more from my failures than my success and thatís why I am where I am today living the dream and prospering as a young man in the world. God bless you all and maybthe good lord be with you on this great Friday of bettering ourselves! :hope:

SportsFanatic10
09-07-2018, 05:26 PM
Ok so legit question for you Wade haters. What do you expect and why so hard on a legend? Like seriously...is it just pure hate as all greats get? Or is it something else? Dude loves the game and wants to keep playing a lil more. Yes hes not himself on the floor anymore. Yes hes just a shadow of what he was. Yes injuries cut his career prime way short. But hes still a decent player who belongs in the league if he wants to be. Whats the prob with that in all honesty? Iike I really wanna know. He can still contribute and noone can legit argue against that with facts at all.

FlashBolt
09-07-2018, 07:04 PM
Ok so legit question for you Wade haters. What do you expect and why so hard on a legend? Like seriously...is it just pure hate as all greats get? Or is it something else? Dude loves the game and wants to keep playing a lil more. Yes hes not himself on the floor anymore. Yes hes just a shadow of what he was. Yes injuries cut his career prime way short. But hes still a decent player who belongs in the league if he wants to be. Whats the prob with that in all honesty? Iike I really wanna know. He can still contribute and noone can legit argue against that with facts at all.

Honestly, it comes from some of you Wade fans who can't STFU about him...

More-Than-Most
09-08-2018, 07:44 PM
he is fine as maybe a 7th man off the bench depending on how much he costs :shrug:

LaVar Ball
09-09-2018, 01:44 AM
We're like 2 weeks away from media day and training camp.


Why hasn't Wade made a decision yet already?


My gut feeling tells me he's leaning towards retiring.

Scoots
09-09-2018, 11:42 AM
In the modern age where defense is valued a lot more than it used to be, Wade's lost step in quick lateral movement on defense means that even if he wants to play for a contender for the vet minimum he likely isn't getting any offers. If he plays it is just about him loving the game.

Wade is a charismatic enough guy he could be considering his post playing offers while deciding what he would prefer.

I'd love Wade to replace any number of ex-players now in the media.

AntiG
09-10-2018, 10:32 AM
He also doesn't have to make a decision. He could skip most of the season while keeping in shape and hop onto a contender towards the end of the season in order to be qualified for the playoffs.

WaDe03
09-10-2018, 10:35 AM
He says itís Miami or nothing so I donít think it has anything to do with offers from contenders. Heís definitely not treating this summer as if he were retiring either, heís constantly been in a gym. I bet we hear something this week.

MygirlhatesCod
09-10-2018, 10:51 AM
He also doesn't have to make a decision. He could skip most of the season while keeping in shape and hop onto a contender towards the end of the season in order to be qualified for the playoffs.

something like what roger Clemens and other pitchers did in the later stages of their careers.

Scoots
09-10-2018, 11:20 AM
He also doesn't have to make a decision. He could skip most of the season while keeping in shape and hop onto a contender towards the end of the season in order to be qualified for the playoffs.

That would require a contender wanting him.

WaDe03
09-10-2018, 11:33 AM
That would require a contender wanting him.

A player doing that would more than likely only get the vet minimum. Any contender would be dumb to say they donít want him for the minimum. He showed last year he can win you at least 1 playoff game himself. Itís Miami or nothing is what hes saying though.