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Jeffy25
08-26-2018, 11:41 PM
Like not a consensus top 25 player ever

Who did you just enjoy?

JWorthy42
08-27-2018, 12:42 AM
Lamar Odom.

nastynice
08-27-2018, 01:25 AM
Draymond green

Chronz
08-27-2018, 01:34 AM
Michael redd

LaVar Ball
08-27-2018, 01:36 AM
Colby Brian

nastynice
08-27-2018, 02:57 AM
Colby Brian

He's def top 25

Ahriman
08-27-2018, 04:18 AM
Shawn Kemp

warfelg
08-27-2018, 07:37 AM
AI. He's why I"m an NBA fan and a Sixers fan.

basch152
08-27-2018, 07:42 AM
probably tmac

More-Than-Most
08-27-2018, 07:44 AM
Wade :laugh:

More-Than-Most
08-27-2018, 07:44 AM
Tmac in all honesty.

ewing
08-27-2018, 08:19 AM
Mark Jackson

Vinylman
08-27-2018, 08:29 AM
Lamar Odom.

LMFAO

You have a Worthy user name and your guy is Odom?

Weird...

Mine is Swen Nater

MygirlhatesCod
08-27-2018, 08:36 AM
a tie between mitch Richmond and john starks.

IndyRealist
08-27-2018, 08:43 AM
Reggie Miller, Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones. Is Nash top 25?

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 09:21 AM
Greg Kite

Vinylman
08-27-2018, 09:31 AM
Greg Kite

Rick Robey was way better...

maltmonger
08-27-2018, 09:44 AM
Morris Peterson

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 10:22 AM
Rick Robey was way better...

what about big sexy, Rony Seikaly?

I legit had a friend who was a rabid Matt Geiger fan. Started as a joke, then he actually started to love him.

Vinylman
08-27-2018, 10:30 AM
what about big sexy, Rony Seikaly?

I legit had a friend who was a rabid Matt Geiger fan. Started as a joke, then he actually started to love him.


one of my other favorites

Chuck Nevitt


He was a beast in the paint.

ewing
08-27-2018, 10:35 AM
what about big sexy, Rony Seikaly?

I legit had a friend who was a rabid Matt Geiger fan. Started as a joke, then he actually started to love him.

both quality big white guys. Rony actually had a little skill. I was always a big Scott Pollard fan. That guy was a bruiser

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 10:38 AM
one of my other favorites

Chuck Nevitt


He was a beast in the paint.

he was a Laker, so my house hated him (though I loved Magic as a little kid).

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 10:39 AM
both quality big white guys. Rony actually had a little skill. I was always a big Scott Pollard fan. That why was a bruiser

****ing Cuse' players. Ugh

Yeah, there used to always be a place for the big bruiser with minimal athletic ability. Alas, those days are behind us..

kdspurman
08-27-2018, 01:48 PM
AI, Grant Hill, Manu (who might be announcing his retirement soon :sigh: )

ewing
08-27-2018, 01:57 PM
other favorite non stars i loved watching included Boris Diaw, ricky pierce., Jerome Williams, george muresan, Bob Sura, Jayson Williams, Ced Caballos...

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 02:02 PM
for real, I always like Michael Redd, Kevin Johnson, Thunder Dan (I modeled my game after him), Mark Price, Anthony Mason, Reggie Lewis, Dennis Scott, and Glen Rice a lot. Few others, but they stuck out.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 02:03 PM
other favorite non stars i loved watching included Boris Diaw, ricky pierce., Jerome Williams, george muresan, Bob Sura, Jayson Williams, Ced Caballos...

oh yeah, loved him

basch152
08-27-2018, 02:14 PM
Reggie Miller, Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones. Is Nash top 25?

no

lakers squad
08-27-2018, 02:23 PM
Big shot Rob!

R. Johnson#3
08-27-2018, 02:32 PM
Neither of my 2 favourite players are top 25. Reggie Miller and Vince Carter

JAZZNC
08-27-2018, 02:41 PM
Shawn Kemp, K-Mart, Thunder Dan, Tom Chambers, A. Houston, Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, Jason Terry.

AntiG
08-27-2018, 02:45 PM
is there actually a consensus top 25 ever? usually 10-50 are all over the place in different publications.

Pierzynski4Prez
08-27-2018, 02:46 PM
Tractor Traylor


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Jeffy25
08-27-2018, 03:07 PM
I love pure sharps, guys like Korver. And very talented 3 and D guys, like Thompson.

As players that is, not necessarily Thompson's personality (like Korver's though)


In the end, my answer is probably Ray Allen.

ewing
08-27-2018, 03:21 PM
Shawn Kemp, K-Mart, Thunder Dan, Tom Chambers, A. Houston, Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, Jason Terry.

Tom Chambers had game. Talk about a old school skilled big

ewing
08-27-2018, 03:24 PM
oh yeah, loved him

If you remember those FSU teams they were really fun. Sura, Cassell, Charlie Ward, Collins.

valade16
08-27-2018, 04:43 PM
I loved the Allan Houston / Latrell Sprewell 98 Knicks that made it to the Finals. Also enjoyed Arvydas Sabonis immensely.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 05:08 PM
If you remember those FSU teams they were really fun. Sura, Cassell, Charlie Ward, Collins.

yup. I do remember them. The UNLV team from the early 90's, and the 87' Wolverines along with FSU were my jam back in the day.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 05:09 PM
I loved the Allan Houston / Latrell Sprewell 98 Knicks that made it to the Finals. Also enjoyed Arvydas Sabonis immensely.

Think how different our "best big men" convos would be if we had Sabonis over here 6-7 years before he actually was here.

valade16
08-27-2018, 05:33 PM
Think how different our "best big men" convos would be if we had Sabonis over here 6-7 years before he actually was here.

Think of how different the league could have been. Sabonis was originally scheduled to come over in like 89, which would put him right on the Clyde, Porter, Kersey, Buck, Duckworth, Clifford Robinson Blazers teams that went to the Finals 2/3 years. I imagine they could have won some Finals adding a player of his caliber.

Jeffy25
08-27-2018, 05:57 PM
Think of how different the league could have been. Sabonis was originally scheduled to come over in like 89, which would put him right on the Clyde, Porter, Kersey, Buck, Duckworth, Clifford Robinson Blazers teams that went to the Finals 2/3 years. I imagine they could have won some Finals adding a player of his caliber.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/1992.html

He'd be 27 on this team, and probably would have averaged 16/10 per night.

valade16
08-27-2018, 06:12 PM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/1992.html

He'd be 27 on this team, and probably would have averaged 16/10 per night.

Considering Chicago didn't have a very good inside presence and our biggest weakness (outside Clyde just not being as good as MJ) was Kevin Duckworth, I think Sabonis as the starter probably wins a title, if not there then at least once or twice in the next 5 years.

mightybosstone
08-27-2018, 07:20 PM
Probably Harden to be honest. But there's a lot of Rockets I've loved over the years I could consider behind Hakeem (unquestionably my all-time favorite athlete). Yao, Horry, Scola and Battier come to mind. Drexler peaked before he came to Houston, so I don't remember him quite as fondly as some others, and McGrady didn't exactly leave Houston under the best circumstances, so he's not super high on my list of all-time favorite Rockets players.

COOLbeans
08-27-2018, 07:23 PM
Chris Mullin, Ray Allen, Tayshaun Prince, Pig Miller, John Starks, Bobby Sura, Brandon Roy,

But my favorite is Dikembe Mutombo (might be top50-75)

tredigs
08-27-2018, 07:39 PM
Mullin, Manu, Reggie Miller, Schrempf, Kemp, Ben Wallace, Penny.

COOLbeans
08-27-2018, 07:44 PM
Mullin, Manu, Reggie Miller, Schrempf, Kemp, Ben Wallace, Penny.

Yes. Penny, and Miller for sure. I also like Maxwell and Skip to my Lou

goingfor28
08-27-2018, 07:51 PM
Darius Miles. He's the reason I'm a Clippers fan.
Also, White Chocolate was fun to watch.

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JAZZNC
08-27-2018, 09:23 PM
Tom Chambers had game. Talk about a old school skilled big
Yeah, he was an interesting player. And that dunk over Mark Jackson's dumbass!!!

And those Bob Sura FSU teams were fun to watch. Definitely a team in enjoyed watching in the ACC back then.

JAZZNC
08-27-2018, 09:23 PM
Darius Miles. He's the reason I'm a Clippers fan.
Also, White Chocolate was fun to watch.

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He was a guy I always wanted to be great.

mightybosstone
08-27-2018, 09:29 PM
Shawn Kemp, K-Mart, Thunder Dan, Tom Chambers, A. Houston, Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, Jason Terry.

I'm surprised Karl Malone wasn't on your list.

;)

JAZZNC
08-27-2018, 09:44 PM
I'm surprised Karl Malone wasn't on your list.

;)

That's just mean spirited haha!

IKnowHoops
08-27-2018, 09:54 PM
Tim Hardaway, Jamaal Mashburn, Jason Williams(Duke Motorcycle)

Admiral
Bron
Hardaway

easily my 3 favorite players of all time in that order.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 10:42 PM
Think of how different the league could have been. Sabonis was originally scheduled to come over in like 89, which would put him right on the Clyde, Porter, Kersey, Buck, Duckworth, Clifford Robinson Blazers teams that went to the Finals 2/3 years. I imagine they could have won some Finals adding a player of his caliber.

Being a Blazers fan is rough. Like on paper I feel they should have a few chips. Its always some bs that happens to them

Hawkeye15
08-27-2018, 10:43 PM
I'm surprised Karl Malone wasn't on your list.

;)

Lol

FlashBolt
08-28-2018, 03:46 PM
Ray Allen. Would have to add GP and Kemp after but easily Ray Allen for me.

WhiteShadow42
08-28-2018, 04:20 PM
James Worthy. Incredible first step for a 6'9" guy.

WhiteShadow42
08-28-2018, 04:22 PM
Another one that I really liked watching was Bernard King.

Hawkeye15
08-28-2018, 04:28 PM
Another one that I really liked watching was Bernard King.

damn I forgot him. I copied him when I was first starting to play basketball as a tiny kid. Loved watching him

Hawkeye15
08-28-2018, 04:29 PM
Tim Hardaway, Jamaal Mashburn, Jason Williams(Duke Motorcycle)

Admiral
Bron
Hardaway

easily my 3 favorite players of all time in that order.

god he could score the rock. Imagine no injuries..

WaDe03
08-28-2018, 04:29 PM
Hey great thread but a favorite player that isnít top 25 ever? I canít relate brothers!!!!

valade16
08-28-2018, 04:50 PM
Being a Blazers fan is rough. Like on paper I feel they should have a few chips. Its always some bs that happens to them

Yeah tell me about it :laugh2: We're like a goddamn Greek tragedy.

Walton gets hurt
Pass on MJ
Sabonis can't come over
Blow a 13 pt 4th quarter lead WCF G7
Pass on KD
Oden/Roy get hurt

Like every time we are on the precipice of a championship, something terrible happens like clockwork.

WhiteShadow42
08-28-2018, 06:12 PM
damn I forgot him. I copied him when I was first starting to play basketball as a tiny kid. Loved watching him

yep. He was a monster on offense. He had that Kobe mentality before Kobe. He is listed at 6'7", but I felt he was closer to 6'4"-6'5" for some reason. That's cool you copied him. Growing up in SoCal, I was embarrassed to tell my friends that he was my second favorite player.

Another one I loved was Gervin. But a lot of people would place him top 25.

WhiteShadow42
08-28-2018, 06:13 PM
Hey great thread but a favorite player that isnít top 25 ever? I canít relate brothers!!!!

LOL. You are begging the Kobe fans to dump in here.

IKnowHoops
08-28-2018, 09:19 PM
god he could score the rock. Imagine no injuries..

I remember when he dropped 50 on Pippen and basically owned him in every possible way. Then he tore his ACL...😳😢

Hawkeye15
08-28-2018, 10:02 PM
I remember when he dropped 50 on Pippen and basically owned him in every possible way. Then he tore his ACL...😳😢

That Duke/Kentucky game he played in where Laettner hit the buzzer beater was the best college game I watched. Mash was just a brute and had flow

Hawkeye15
08-28-2018, 10:08 PM
yep. He was a monster on offense. He had that Kobe mentality before Kobe. He is listed at 6'7", but I felt he was closer to 6'4"-6'5" for some reason. That's cool you copied him. Growing up in SoCal, I was embarrassed to tell my friends that he was my second favorite player.

Another one I loved was Gervin. But a lot of people would place him top 25.

King was 6'5" for sure. He had long arms though. He was just super crafty in the paint, and every now and then showed awesome athleticism.

Is Iceman top 25? I don't think he has a case in it

YAALREADYKNO
08-28-2018, 10:29 PM
The 03-04 Warriors with Jason Richardson, Speedy Claxton, and Nick Van Exel

YAALREADYKNO
08-28-2018, 10:41 PM
Shawn Marion (still donít know how he didnít make at least one defensive team)

Joe Johnson (always loved his game from his Phoenix days to early in his Atlanta days)

Jason Richardson (liked to watch him play early in his career with Golden State)

Bostonjorge
08-28-2018, 11:14 PM
Draymomd Green, Ben Wallace and Rodman.

ewing
08-28-2018, 11:33 PM
Draymomd Green, Ben Wallace and Rodman.

Who are 3 guys that canít shoot


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IKnowHoops
08-28-2018, 11:49 PM
That Duke/Kentucky game he played in where Laettner hit the buzzer beater was the best college game I watched. Mash was just a brute and had flow

Mash lost to the fab 5 the very next year. He was a one man show, and the best player on the court in both games. He had his teams up like 4-6 points and then fouled out in both games with 1-2 minutes left and the other teams overwhelmed the Mashless Kentucky teams. Obviously Christian hit the game winner to complete the come from behind victory.

IKnowHoops
08-28-2018, 11:52 PM
Hardaway I think is my only true not 25. Jay Williams and Mash were arguably the best players in college. Hardaway was never the best. He just had awesome skills.

c.c.
08-29-2018, 12:06 AM
Steve Francis duh

Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 07:33 AM
Mash lost to the fab 5 the very next year. He was a one man show, and the best player on the court in both games. He had his teams up like 4-6 points and then fouled out in both games with 1-2 minutes left and the other teams overwhelmed the Mashless Kentucky teams. Obviously Christian hit the game winner to complete the come from behind victory.

Ford and Delk were good. But not as stacked as Duke. Plus that choad Laettner was unstoppable.

WaDe03
08-29-2018, 09:27 AM
LOL. You are begging the Kobe fans to dump in here.

Good morning! What makes you say this friend?

IKnowHoops
08-29-2018, 09:54 AM
Good morning! What makes you say this friend?

Was Delk on that squad? I thought he came later with Ron Mercer and that other dude who was even better than Ron that year who played for the Spurs...Derrick Anderson

Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 10:04 AM
Was Delk on that squad? I thought he came later with Ron Mercer and that other dude who was even better than Ron that year who played for the Spurs...Derrick Anderson

yeah in 93', Mash had Ford/Delk on his squad. He didn't have crap against the Blue Devils the year prior though, when he fouled out and choad nugget hit the game winner.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-29-2018, 10:13 AM
Rasheed Wallace
Lamar Odom
Kenyon Martin

Chronz
08-29-2018, 12:22 PM
You guys are cheating with some of these guys, like hill could've been on his way to top25 before the injury, unless you're talking about watching Phoenix suns version, you can't list hill or penny

AntiG
08-29-2018, 12:26 PM
Yeah tell me about it :laugh2: We're like a goddamn Greek tragedy.

Walton gets hurt
Pass on MJ
Sabonis can't come over
Blow a 13 pt 4th quarter lead WCF G7
Pass on KD
Oden/Roy get hurt

Like every time we are on the precipice of a championship, something terrible happens like clockwork.

not to mention running into the Pistons and Bulls juggernauts when you had Clyde in his prime where he was the 2nd best player in the world.

Chronz
08-29-2018, 01:31 PM
not to mention running into the Pistons and Bulls juggernauts when you had Clyde in his prime where he was the 2nd best player in the world.

Doubt clyde was that good but he sorta covered that in the sabonis segment. You could argue sabonis could've been superior to drexler and they prolly win against those juggernauts

Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 01:49 PM
not to mention running into the Pistons and Bulls juggernauts when you had Clyde in his prime where he was the 2nd best player in the world.

are you saying Drexler was the 2nd best player in the game at any given time?

AntiG
08-29-2018, 01:53 PM
from 1988-1993? yes, and I wasn't the only one that said this. Sports Illustrated even had a cover discussing this.

WestCoastSportz
08-29-2018, 02:02 PM
Baron Davis. I'm a Cal guy so I watched a lot of Pac-10 sports and just became a huge fan of him while he was UCLA. For him to tear his ACL during his freshman year and come back the way he did was unheard of at the time. I honestly didn't think he was going to return to form but was dunking on everyone his sophomore year. I followed his career in Charlotte and was ecstatic when the Warriors traded Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis for him to kick start the We Believe era. And who could forget the dunk on Kirilenko in the playoffs, which is probably my absolute favorite play of all time. In 2007, I got a yellow labrador and named him Baron Davis.

WhiteShadow42
08-29-2018, 02:19 PM
King was 6'5" for sure. He had long arms though. He was just super crafty in the paint, and every now and then showed awesome athleticism.

Is Iceman top 25? I don't think he has a case in it



Then Iceman is my third pick for one of my favorite players to watch. Specially that poster of his.

IKnowHoops
08-29-2018, 02:20 PM
Doubt clyde was that good but he sorta covered that in the sabonis segment. You could argue sabonis could've been superior to drexler and they prolly win against those juggernauts

Clyde was the 2nd best 2 guard in the world, but yeah, nowhere near the 2nd best player

Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 02:20 PM
from 1988-1993? yes, and I wasn't the only one that said this. Sports Illustrated even had a cover discussing this.

no way man. Drexler was never a top 2 player.

Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 02:22 PM
Clyde was the 2nd best 2 guard in the world, but yeah, nowhere near the 2nd best player

that sounds more agreeable.

IKnowHoops
08-29-2018, 02:27 PM
from 1988-1993? yes, and I wasn't the only one that said this. Sports Illustrated even had a cover discussing this.

Lol, no, how old are you?

IKnowHoops
08-29-2018, 02:29 PM
Clyde was never ahead of Karl Malone, Drob, Dream...as a Rookie Drob was instantly much better. But those 3 were always ahead of Clyde.

Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 02:33 PM
Clyde was never ahead of Karl Malone, Drob, Dream...as a Rookie Drob was instantly much better. But those 3 were always ahead of Clyde.

Barkley and Stockton as well. Drexler may have had a better season individually at some point over a couple of these guys, but during their primes, they were all better.

AntiG
08-29-2018, 03:00 PM
Lol, no, how old are you?

40. I watched all of these guys in their primes.

Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 03:02 PM
40. I watched all of these guys in their primes.

I am 42, watched them all too. Drexler was awesome, but he was never the 2nd best player in the game. But, enough of that haha.

FlashBolt
08-29-2018, 06:50 PM
Lol, Clyde as the 2nd best player? His reputation as a player was "who is the next best SG after MJ." The only reason Drexler got so much attention was honestly because of MJ. And I very much like Clyde but there is zero evidence he was ever the 2nd best player in the league. 2nd best SG, sure. But then when Reggie came along, I honestly felt he was a tad bit better than Clyde.

WhiteShadow42
08-29-2018, 07:13 PM
I am 42, watched them all too. Drexler was awesome, but he was never the 2nd best player in the game. But, enough of that haha.

I thought you were older. Man you were only 5 when caddyshack came out. Isn't your avatar from that movie?

ewing
08-29-2018, 09:10 PM
I agree with the crowd here though I do remember a short time where it wasnít that unpopular an opinion that Clyde was the second best player in the league. I always thought he was a heck of a player but it think those Blazers team were also the most balanced team with talent in the league. Porter was all star level, I thought Kersey was a heck of a player(maybe a better Horce Grant), Buck Williams might be the most underrated player of his era, and even Duckworth was really nice until he had trouble coming back from an injury (I think it was his wrist, he was never the same after). Just a really talented group


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GREATNESS ONE
08-29-2018, 09:17 PM
I'm 36 and started watching basketball clearly in 88 and became a super fanboy in 96..

players I always liked growing up watching was Grandmama, Mugsy Bogues, Steve Smith, Dennis Rodman, James Worthy, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Detlef, Gary Payton, man I can go on but some great times growing up shooting hoops!

Rad_Racing
08-29-2018, 09:44 PM
Spud Webb

redsox12
08-29-2018, 10:03 PM
Gordon Hayward seems like a great guy and after the injury I'm really rooting for him, not to mention he is a Celtic now haha.

cmellofan15
08-29-2018, 10:19 PM
Mutombo, McDyess, James Posey, Mo Pete, Billups, Melo, Birdman, Vince, Jermaine OíNeal, Sheed and Honorable Mention to Wes Unseld even tho i never got to see him live.

AntiG
08-29-2018, 10:20 PM
I agree with the crowd here though I do remember a short time where it wasnít that unpopular an opinion that Clyde was the second best player in the league.

Thank you, at least someone still remembers those days accurately too lol

Yes, it might have been because he was the only legit rival for MJ at two guard, but there were plenty of publications that touted it. He was basically Wade to MJ's Lebron once Bird/Magic were hitting their early 30s and starting to slow down. Clyde was also (along with Charles) a beast in the Olympics.

Bostonjorge
08-29-2018, 10:22 PM
Who are 3 guys that canít shoot


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Championship pieces. My favorite kind of players to watch.

cmellofan15
08-29-2018, 10:28 PM
Championship pieces. My favorite kind of players to watch.

Also high energy guys that made watching defense as entertaining as offense. The energy and emotion from these dudes versus the Camby, Ratliff, and Gobert types is what makes it all the more entertaining.

ewing
08-29-2018, 11:26 PM
I'm 36 and started watching basketball clearly in 88 and became a super fanboy in 96..

players I always liked growing up watching was Grandmama, Mugsy Bogues, Steve Smith, Dennis Rodman, James Worthy, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Detlef, Gary Payton, man I can go on but some great times growing up shooting hoops!

Plastic man thatís good call. Was also a big Eddie Jones fan. Heíd be a great wind Today


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Hawkeye15
08-29-2018, 11:52 PM
Plastic man thatís good call. Was also a big Eddie Jones fan. Heíd be a great wind Today


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Wasn't Augmon plastic man? Can't remember

ewing
08-30-2018, 12:20 AM
Wasn't Augmon plastic man? Can't remember

Youíre right, similar players. I heard Steve Smith made Turner give him every episode of Sanford and Son when he signed with the Hawk. Did Smith have a nickname. He should have


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IKnowHoops
08-30-2018, 12:42 AM
Thank you, at least someone still remembers those days accurately too lol

Yes, it might have been because he was the only legit rival for MJ at two guard, but there were plenty of publications that touted it. He was basically Wade to MJ's Lebron once Bird/Magic were hitting their early 30s and starting to slow down. Clyde was also (along with Charles) a beast in the Olympics.

I remember his hype, but he just wasnít close imo during that time. The height of Clyde that I remember, was that he had a legit shot of outplaying and beating MJ in the finals.

That talk only lasted the length of the playoffs in which he built himself up with a great playoff run, but was ultimately badly outplayed and beaten by Mike and the bulls. That was as long as his peak hype lasted.

Before that neither his regular season, nor his playoff success warranted a #2 player in the league rank. Not even close. But Mike was ďairĒ Jordan and Clyde was ďthe glideĒ and so it was a nice little promotion for the finals that I very much enjoyed.

Jeffy25
08-30-2018, 04:38 AM
I'm 36 and started watching basketball clearly in 88 and became a super fanboy in 96..


Just a fun observation......

I'm 34, and I remember the 91-92 season with clarity (born in Nov 83). That's the first year that I really remember baseball and basketball with pretty good recall. Anything prior was just fanboy stuff from my Dad.

But I remember every thing since that time rather well, and I would say I really got into it all after 1995-1996 era (end of baseballs strike). So your memory goes a little deeper and longer than mine.


My favorite memories, was playing on a small hoop in the kitchen off the fridge watching MJ games on TNT and trying to replicate his moves.


Still, Ray Allen is my guy (and UK players, like Masburn).

Hawkeye15
08-30-2018, 09:31 AM
Youíre right, similar players. I heard Steve Smith made Turner give him every episode of Sanford and Son when he signed with the Hawk. Did Smith have a nickname. He should have


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Smitty? I can't remember haha, they were similar players, the only reason I remember the difference is I LOVED the Running Rebels, and HATED Michigan State.

WaDe03
08-30-2018, 09:38 AM
So good to see the older generation connecting with one another on the forum and bringing back good memories that warm each otherís hearts! God bless you and great morning!

Hawkeye15
08-30-2018, 09:39 AM
I agree with the crowd here though I do remember a short time where it wasnít that unpopular an opinion that Clyde was the second best player in the league. I always thought he was a heck of a player but it think those Blazers team were also the most balanced team with talent in the league. Porter was all star level, I thought Kersey was a heck of a player(maybe a better Horce Grant), Buck Williams might be the most underrated player of his era, and even Duckworth was really nice until he had trouble coming back from an injury (I think it was his wrist, he was never the same after). Just a really talented group


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yep, and well coached. If they would have had Sabonis through is prime, we wouldn't be talking about Jordan as the greatest player ever potentially, because I think 2-3 of his titles go bye bye.

Hawkeye15
08-30-2018, 09:40 AM
I thought you were older. Man you were only 5 when caddyshack came out. Isn't your avatar from that movie?

Oh I obviously saw it after the fact. I mean, Animal House is one of my favorite movies ever, and I was barely alive when it was made.

Hawkeye15
08-30-2018, 09:44 AM
Plastic man thatís good call. Was also a big Eddie Jones fan. Heíd be a great wind Today


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do you remember that Temple team Jones played on? McKie and Brunson were on that team. They were a bruiser dude

ewing
08-30-2018, 10:05 AM
do you remember that Temple team Jones played on? McKie and Brunson were on that team. They were a bruiser dude

**** yeah. I am the biggest Calipari hater on the planet. Remember this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6jUpHClybQ

A10 action baby

ewing
08-30-2018, 10:06 AM
College basketball used to be really good

Hawkeye15
08-30-2018, 10:12 AM
College basketball used to be really good

dude, it was awesome. The 1-done rule and guys leaving early effed it all up. Back in my day (ha), when guys stayed for 3-4 years, college teams were sick. Now something must be wrong with you if you haven't gone to the NBA by age 21.

Hawkeye15
08-30-2018, 10:13 AM
**** yeah. I am the biggest Calipari hater on the planet. Remember this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6jUpHClybQ

A10 action baby

**** Calipari. Huge contributor to ruining college bball

Lakers + Giants
08-30-2018, 11:01 AM
Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom

JAZZNC
08-30-2018, 03:32 PM
College basketball used to be really good

Yeah it really was. I loved watching the ACC back then with the Stackhouse/Sheed UNC teams, Sura FSU teams, Marbury/Harpring GT teams, and of course my favorite the Duncan/Childress Wake Forest teams. There was some great competition and some really incredible teams. College basketball is as big of a joke as college football. I don't know how anybody can be really invested in college bb with all the turnover or in college football where the same 6 or 8 schools run the sport for a lifetime.

Hawkeye15
08-30-2018, 03:54 PM
Yeah it really was. I loved watching the ACC back then with the Stackhouse/Sheed UNC teams, Sura FSU teams, Marbury/Harpring GT teams, and of course my favorite the Duncan/Childress Wake Forest teams. There was some great competition and some really incredible teams. College basketball is as big of a joke as college football. I don't know how anybody can be really invested in college bb with all the turnover or in college football where the same 6 or 8 schools run the sport for a lifetime.

I despised Duke/UNC, and always was a Big Ten fan. But there was talent back then that stayed around all over. GT when they had Kenny Anderson/Dennis Scott/Brian Oliver was a team I liked.

JAZZNC
08-30-2018, 06:07 PM
I despised Duke/UNC, and always was a Big Ten fan. But there was talent back then that stayed around all over. GT when they had Kenny Anderson/Dennis Scott/Brian Oliver was a team I liked.

Try having your favorite team get owned by Duke/UNC for the better part of 3 decades. Loathed is a better term for me haha.

mrblisterdundee
08-30-2018, 09:54 PM
One of the greatest travesties in NBA history is how the Soviet Union held Arvydas Sabonis back through much of his prime and wrecked his body before he got to the NBA.
A young, healthy Sabonis would have been a perennial top-10 player. He could pass like Bill Walton, hit threes and was one of the few who could bother Shaq on defense. He beat Robinson's Team USA in the 1988 Olympics and nearly beat him in the 1986 FIBA World Championship.
Imagine those late '80s, early '90s Trailblazers with prime Sabonis added to Drexler, Porter, Kersey, Buck and Cliff. The Blazers would have won some ch'ips.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2018, 09:35 AM
Try having your favorite team get owned by Duke/UNC for the better part of 3 decades. Loathed is a better term for me haha.

I just hated hearing how amazing Dean/Coach K were. Um, if I had 12 McDonald all americans on my bench every year that stayed for 4 years, I could probably piece together a winning season...

JAZZNC
08-31-2018, 10:39 AM
I just hated hearing how amazing Dean/Coach K were. Um, if I had 12 McDonald all americans on my bench every year that stayed for 4 years, I could probably piece together a winning season...

Coach K is in another league compared to Dean Smith. I just feel like he got way more out of way less talented players than Dean Smith did. UNC had far more talented players as evidenced by their NBA success compared to Duke.

But yeah, it's similar to how people act like Nick Saban is a good coach. We saw him chicken **** out in the NFL when he realized he couldn't get 3 out of the best 5 players in the country at every position each year....when saw he was actually gonna have to coach he ran as fast as he could back to college.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2018, 10:42 AM
Coach K is in another league compared to Dean Smith. I just feel like he got way more out of way less talented players than Dean Smith did. UNC had far more talented players as evidenced by their NBA success compared to Duke.

But yeah, it's similar to how people act like Nick Saban is a good coach. We saw him chicken **** out in the NFL when he realized he couldn't get 3 out of the best 5 players in the country at every position each year....when saw he was actually gonna have to coach he ran as fast as he could back to college.

Coach K is the most overrated coach in NCAA history. The reason he, and Jim Boheim for that matter, don't churn out NBA players is because they don't prepare them. They also don't like recruiting players that clearly have no business playing NCAA ball, they left that for Dean/Calipari, etc.

ewing
08-31-2018, 10:56 AM
Coach K is the most overrated coach in NCAA history. The reason he, and Jim Boheim for that matter, don't churn out NBA players is because they don't prepare them. They also don't like recruiting players that clearly have no business playing NCAA ball, they left that for Dean/Calipari, etc.

IDK plenty of guys from Duke in the league

JAZZNC
08-31-2018, 10:58 AM
Coach K is the most overrated coach in NCAA history. The reason he, and Jim Boheim for that matter, don't churn out NBA players is because they don't prepare them. They also don't like recruiting players that clearly have no business playing NCAA ball, they left that for Dean/Calipari, etc.

Oh yeah, they certainly recruit a different type player that's for sure and I would have to think a lot of that has to do with academic standards at Duke vs the joke they had going on at UNC/Kentucky/Umass/etc. And great talent is going to rise to the top in the NBA regardless of how they are coached in college (Obviously there are a few exceptions). Coach K hasn't had the top level talent of some of the other schools and that's why they don't pan out in the NBA. I mean Dave Odom and Skip Prosser were far from great coaches and CP and Duncan are all time greats because they are all time talent. Bobby Hurley and Christian Laettner were not but they dominated in college because they were coached incredibly well. I just feel K does more with less than any other high profile college coach ever has And has had the benefit of guys staying longer(less being a relative term, he's had a great amount of talent at Duke). But that's just my opinion so it don't mean squat haha!

Hawkeye15
08-31-2018, 11:18 AM
IDK plenty of guys from Duke in the league

oh yeah, but rarely do they produce the star power you would think they would has always been the issue. While UNC was kicking our NBA HOF'ers, Duke was kicking out Christian Laettner, Elton Brand, and JJ Reddick.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2018, 11:22 AM
Oh yeah, they certainly recruit a different type player that's for sure and I would have to think a lot of that has to do with academic standards at Duke vs the joke they had going on at UNC/Kentucky/Umass/etc. And great talent is going to rise to the top in the NBA regardless of how they are coached in college (Obviously there are a few exceptions). Coach K hasn't had the top level talent of some of the other schools and that's why they don't pan out in the NBA. I mean Dave Odom and Skip Prosser were far from great coaches and CP and Duncan are all time greats because they are all time talent. Bobby Hurley and Christian Laettner were not but they dominated in college because they were coached incredibly well. I just feel K does more with less than any other high profile college coach ever has And has had the benefit of guys staying longer(less being a relative term, he's had a great amount of talent at Duke). But that's just my opinion so it don't mean squat haha!

This explains a ton honestly. Like, my team (Iowa) will never win ****. They don't recruit poor students and they don't tolerate poor students or those who cause issues, and they don't cheat, nor do they recruit guys they feel are just going to college to get ready for the pro's. You can't win the NCAA unless you lower your moral standards as a program, or unless the school itself cares more about sports than academics.

As far as Coach K doing more with less, I don't agree. UNC/Kentucky recruit players that wont stick around. Coach K doesn't. His teams were always full of 4 year guys, who were all americans in high school. It's easy to win when you get elite talent (maybe not THE best player but all 4-5 star guys) that stick around the program.

If you ever want to see my brother lose his mind, invite him into a Coach K discussion. He loathes him.

Heediot
08-31-2018, 11:39 AM
Rodman. Ben Wallace. Anthony mason. Jokic. Arvydas. Diva. Metta. Mark price. Kawhi. Chauncey. Eddie Jones. Marc basil.

Heediot
08-31-2018, 01:02 PM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/1992.html

He'd be 27 on this team, and probably would have averaged 16/10 per night.

Nah. He'd be second leading scorer on the team. Might even Challenge clyde for most points. In his prime he was skilled, mobile and strong.

Firefistus
08-31-2018, 01:52 PM
My personal favorite player not considered top 25 is Yao Ming. I thought he was unstoppable during his prime. It's too bad his prime was only a couple seasons.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2018, 02:02 PM
Nah. He'd be second leading scorer on the team. Might even Challenge clyde for most points. In his prime he was skilled, mobile and strong.

Sabonis would likely be considered a top 10-15 player ever if he was over here in his prime.

valade16
08-31-2018, 02:26 PM
Sabonis would likely be considered a top 10-15 player ever if he was over here in his prime.

Don't know if I'm willing to go that high lol, but yeah I think he's considered very, very good. Ironically, he may be viewed as even better if he were coming into the NBA today, with his passing and ability to hit the 3.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2018, 02:54 PM
Don't know if I'm willing to go that high lol, but yeah I think he's considered very, very good. Ironically, he may be viewed as even better if he were coming into the NBA today, with his passing and ability to hit the 3.

I am willing. His passing ability and IQ are something unmatched for his position. I seriously think the world missed out on seeing what he could have done in the NBA. The only reason for apprehension is defensively he may not have been dominant. But Dirk wasn't, and he is widely considered a top 20 player ever.

Jeffy25
09-01-2018, 03:04 AM
oh yeah, but rarely do they produce the star power you would think they would has always been the issue. While UNC was kicking our NBA HOF'ers, Duke was kicking out Christian Laettner, Elton Brand, and JJ Reddick.

Sure


UNC - 2 top overall picks, 19 top 5 picks, 26 top 10 picks, 53 first round picks, 93 total players appearing in an NBA game - 884,281 total NBA minutes combined - most notable players - Vince Carter, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Sam Perkins, Jerry Stackhouse, Antawn Jamison
Duke - 3 top overall picks, 16 top 5 picks, 23 top 10 picks, 46 first round picks, 73 total players appearing in an NBA game - 607,336 total NBA minutes combined - most notable players - Kyrie Irving, Grant Hill



I feel like UNC has produced better NBA players for sure.

Don't get UK and KU into this debate though, they'd murder both schools.




Also, am I the only person here who never cared about college basketball really at any point?

YAALREADYKNO
09-01-2018, 08:40 AM
Sure


UNC - 2 top overall picks, 19 top 5 picks, 26 top 10 picks, 53 first round picks, 93 total players appearing in an NBA game - 884,281 total NBA minutes combined - most notable players - Vince Carter, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Sam Perkins, Jerry Stackhouse, Antawn Jamison
Duke - 3 top overall picks, 16 top 5 picks, 23 top 10 picks, 46 first round picks, 73 total players appearing in an NBA game - 607,336 total NBA minutes combined - most notable players - Kyrie Irving, Grant Hill



I feel like UNC has produced better NBA players for sure.

Don't get UK and KU into this debate though, they'd murder both schools.




Also, am I the only person here who never cared about college basketball really at any point?

Me too. Iíll watch it come Tournament time but other than that I can care less for it. Donít know what it is but the regular season just doesnít intrigue me

IndyRealist
09-01-2018, 08:53 AM
No rooting interest in college ball at all. Might catch one or two tourney games a year, but I don't pay attention to college guys until the combine.

Hawkeye15
09-01-2018, 02:10 PM
Sure


UNC - 2 top overall picks, 19 top 5 picks, 26 top 10 picks, 53 first round picks, 93 total players appearing in an NBA game - 884,281 total NBA minutes combined - most notable players - Vince Carter, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Sam Perkins, Jerry Stackhouse, Antawn Jamison
Duke - 3 top overall picks, 16 top 5 picks, 23 top 10 picks, 46 first round picks, 73 total players appearing in an NBA game - 607,336 total NBA minutes combined - most notable players - Kyrie Irving, Grant Hill



I feel like UNC has produced better NBA players for sure.

Don't get UK and KU into this debate though, they'd murder both schools.




Also, am I the only person here who never cared about college basketball really at any point?

if I remember correctly, you didn't start to get into basketball until the one and done was in high gear, correct?

Once that became the norm, I checked out of college bball. Starting around 1998-2000, college ball dropped in talent in a huge way, so it got progressively worse. By the mid 2000's, college basketball became unwatchable to me. But in the 80's/90's, when I was growing up and playing, guys stayed all 4 years, so you just had these awesome teams/players. Like the Running Rebels in the early 90's sported Stacey Augmon, Larry Johnson, Greg Anthony, and Anderson Hunt, on the same team. Duke had Grant Hill, Christian Laettner, Bobby Hurley, and Brian Davis. The Big Ten had Calbert Chaeney, Big Dog, Steve Smith, Kendall Gill, etc.

College bball was awesome back in the day. One and done murdered it.

Duke's subpar NBA rep could have been helped by Grant Hill so badly had he stayed healthy. Oh well

Bostonjorge
09-01-2018, 03:20 PM
Coach K is the most overrated coach in NCAA history. The reason he, and Jim Boheim for that matter, don't churn out NBA players is because they don't prepare them. They also don't like recruiting players that clearly have no business playing NCAA ball, they left that for Dean/Calipari, etc.

2010 Coach K took down Brad Stevens with Butler to win the Championship. Stevens had Hayward. Coach K had Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith. Zero players got drafted from that Duke team that year.

Coach K can coach any team into contenders every year.

Bostonjorge
09-01-2018, 03:27 PM
College Basketball is stil fun to watch. Or maybe I just like watching a lot of Basketball period. I always check on the best high school players first so I have an idea on who to watch the next college season.

The only Basketball I donít watch is the euro leagues.

IKnowHoops
09-01-2018, 11:32 PM
Sabonis would likely be considered a top 10-15 player ever if he was over here in his prime.

Man, I personally think Sabonis is more overrated than coach K.

Hawkeye15
09-01-2018, 11:47 PM
College Basketball is stil fun to watch. Or maybe I just like watching a lot of Basketball period. I always check on the best high school players first so I have an idea on who to watch the next college season.

The only Basketball I donít watch is the euro leagues.

Part of it may be I don't have time to watch 3 hours of basketball a day like I used to. So I picked watching the best players in the sport, which is the NBA

Cal827
09-02-2018, 01:21 AM
Amar'e Stoudemire or Ray Allen

I was going to put Dwyane Wade, but I think there will be a few people might argue that he's too close to the line. As would be Garnett, Dirk, and quite a few others that I've had the privilege of enjoying their careers when I started to watch in 1999-2000ish :D

Role Player... I've always liked watching Tim Thomas play for some reason :laugh2:

basch152
09-02-2018, 07:53 AM
Amar'e Stoudemire or Ray Allen

I was going to put Dwyane Wade, but I think there will be a few people might argue that he's too close to the line. As would be Garnett, Dirk, and quite a few others that I've had the privilege of enjoying their careers when I started to watch in 1999-2000ish :D

Role Player... I've always liked watching Tim Thomas play for some reason :laugh2:

na wade would be lucky to be top 50

Cal827
09-02-2018, 09:46 AM
na wade would be lucky to be top 50

Well, then I'll put Wade at the front of that list then :laugh2:

Chronz
09-02-2018, 09:53 AM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/1992.html

He'd be 27 on this team, and probably would have averaged 16/10 per night.

He averaged that in his decline tho

OlivaThor
09-02-2018, 11:06 AM
Deron Williams, Damon Jones, Michael Redd, Gerald Wallace, Stanley Johnson, Tmac, Jermaine Oneal, Amare Stoudemire, Eddy Curry and much much more

ewing
09-02-2018, 01:22 PM
Deron Williams, Damon Jones, Michael Redd, Gerald Wallace, Stanley Johnson, Tmac, Jermaine Oneal, Amare Stoudemire, Eddy Curry and much much more

Deron was very fun to watch before the ankles. Eddy Curry was comical.


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JAZZNC
09-02-2018, 10:30 PM
Deron was very fun to watch before the ankles. Eddy Curry was comical.


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It's crazy how hard that guy fell off.

JAZZNC
09-02-2018, 10:38 PM
2010 Coach K took down Brad Stevens with Butler to win the Championship. Stevens had Hayward. Coach K had Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith. Zero players got drafted from that Duke team that year.

Coach K can coach any team into contenders every year.

Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith got drafted just not that year. So that's a little misleading. They still had talent even though Butler certainly did as well.

ewing
09-03-2018, 11:15 AM
Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith got drafted just not that year. So that's a little misleading. They still had talent even though Butler certainly did as well.

Kyle was such a smart player. I thought heíd be a very nice bench player in the league. I was wrong


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Chronz
09-03-2018, 11:58 AM
What was fun about dwill? He had one move and never fully utilized his size to his advantage, which is why he fell off once the ankles could no longer support his 1 move. DWill was fun in utah because the jazz were fun. He, himself, not that impressive. Rather watch old jkidd

ewing
09-03-2018, 12:15 PM
What was fun about dwill? He had one move and never fully utilized his size to his advantage, which is why he fell off once the ankles could no longer support his 1 move. DWill was fun in utah because the jazz were fun. He, himself, not that impressive. Rather watch old jkidd

He was better then CP3


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Hawkeye15
09-03-2018, 12:26 PM
What was fun about dwill? He had one move and never fully utilized his size to his advantage, which is why he fell off once the ankles could no longer support his 1 move. DWill was fun in utah because the jazz were fun. He, himself, not that impressive. Rather watch old jkidd
Or at least watch a better crossove

Hawkeye15
09-03-2018, 12:26 PM
He was better then CP3


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Not at a single point was he as good.

Chronz
09-03-2018, 01:18 PM
He was better then CP3


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Which is why he was drafted lower, produced at a far inferior rate and was never in the running for mvp. Lol. It's like comparing ewing to shaq

YAALREADYKNO
09-03-2018, 01:27 PM
Mannn DWillís crossover and change of direction in his prime was 2nd to None

IKnowHoops
09-03-2018, 06:04 PM
Mannn DWillís crossover and change of direction in his prime was 2nd to None

Yeah more like 5th or 6th at best

More-Than-Most
09-04-2018, 05:31 AM
Steve Nash

Hawkeye15
09-04-2018, 09:52 AM
Mannn DWillís crossover and change of direction in his prime was 2nd to None

AI? Tim Hardaway? Zeke?

DWill basically had one move, a power crossover that was dribbled high, and he used his large frame to check you on his hip and go. Once his injury came, the move was bye bye, so was his edge.

YAALREADYKNO
09-04-2018, 07:54 PM
AI? Tim Hardaway? Zeke?

DWill basically had one move, a power crossover that was dribbled high, and he used his large frame to check you on his hip and go. Once his injury came, the move was bye bye, so was his edge.

I meant like during his time. Never said his crossover was the best Iíve seen but it was solid and effective

Hawkeye15
09-05-2018, 09:22 AM
I meant like during his time. Never said his crossover was the best Iíve seen but it was solid and effective

it was, even if it was super easy in nature. He basically just slammed the ball down and hip checked you out of the way haha.

SirSkyHook
09-05-2018, 09:57 PM
Brandon Ingram. I hope he dosent become a KD clone. I'm hoping with the advantages Lakers franchise have, like access to multi championship type players, and top 5 to top 10 all-time great legends of the game , Ingram will become an all time great. I wanna see how it all pans out. Not a Lebron fan but the kids would be foolish not to leech his mind for every drop of basketball IQ he has.

cmellofan15
09-05-2018, 10:34 PM
Brandon Ingram. I hope he dosent become a KD clone. I'm hoping with the advantages Lakers franchise have, like access to multi championship type players, and top 5 to top 10 all-time great legends of the game , Ingram will become an all time great. I wanna see how it all pans out. Not a Lebron fan but the kids would be foolish not to leech his mind for every drop of basketball IQ he has.

You hope someone on your team doesnít become a clone of a top 3 player in the league.....??

FlashBolt
09-06-2018, 02:35 AM
You hope someone on your team doesnít become a clone of a top 3 player in the league.....??

I think he means he hopes he doesn't turn into the clown KD is. Dude is an absolute joker right now with how he acts.