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Jeffy25
06-21-2018, 01:32 PM
Our current draft

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26. Vlade Divac - Lakers - 1989
27. Dennis Rodman - Pistons - 1986
28. Tony Parker - Spurs - 2001
29. Dennis Johnson - Sonics - 1976
30. Jimmy Butler - Bulls - 2011


https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/draft_finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=&year_max=&round_min=&round_max=&pick_overall_min=24&pick_overall_max=24&franch_id=&college_id=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&is_active=&is_hof=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=ws

Some notable selections
Terry Porter - 1985
Sam Cassell - 1993
Kyle Lowry - 2006
Andrei Kiriklenko - 1999
Derek Fisher - 1996
Serge Ibaka - 2008
Latrell Sprewell - 1992
Mike Newlin - 1971
Arvydas Sabonis - 1986
Rick Fox - 1991
Reggie Jackson - 2011
Tim Hardaway Jr. - 2013
Sabazz Napier - 2014

Jeffy25
06-21-2018, 01:35 PM
I'm going Cassell

But Porter and Lowry are absolutely sound picks, as well guys like Ibaka, Sprewell, Fisher, and Sabonis

But Cassell for me

mightybosstone
06-21-2018, 02:14 PM
This is the first really, really tough one. At their peaks, I think Porter and Lowry are probably a hair better than Cassell, but Cassell probably had the better career in terms of consistency from season to season. As a Rockets fan, I'll give Cassell the edge for his contributions to the 94 championship his rookie season. But I don't fault anyone for picking Lowry or Porter here.

If we were just talking overall skill as a basketball player, I think it's Sabonis, no contest. But he just joined the NBA so late in his career and was so far past his prime at that point, it's hard to give him the edge over guys who just had far better careers in the league.

mightybosstone
06-21-2018, 02:17 PM
Getting ahead of myself here, but I was looking over some of the higher picks and No. 5 is going to be a VERY interesting debate. KG, Barkley, Wade or Pippen?

Bostonjorge
06-21-2018, 02:25 PM
Sprewell is my pick. Use to love watching him play. Americaís worst nightmare. Took that 8th seed Knicks team to the finals.

jaydubb
06-21-2018, 02:41 PM
Don't sleep on ak47 here.. Only guy on the list that could score zero points and still dominate games. I could see Cassell, sprewell, or Lowry getting the nod though

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jaydubb
06-21-2018, 02:43 PM
Getting ahead of myself here, but I was looking over some of the higher picks and No. 5 is going to be a VERY interesting debate. KG, Barkley, Wade or Pippen?

I was wondering what slot had the best collection of players overall. At first thought most would probably say the #1 pick but then you look at this, and that's 4 arguably top 20 players of all time.

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AntiG
06-21-2018, 02:44 PM
Arvydas Sabonis is one of the greatest centers that has ever played the game.

Rivera
06-21-2018, 03:07 PM
cassell i feel had the best peak, im going Sam

mightybosstone
06-21-2018, 03:23 PM
I was wondering what slot had the best collection of players overall. At first thought most would probably say the #1 pick but then you look at this, and that's 4 arguably top 20 players of all time.

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No. 5 is great, but the best collection of players will definitely be the first pick. No. 1 picks include Lebron, Kareem, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Magic, Oscar and Robinson. That's probably six of the top 10 all-time players and eight of the top 15-20.

jaydubb
06-21-2018, 04:51 PM
No. 5 is great, but the best collection of players will definitely be the first pick. No. 1 picks include Lebron, Kareem, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Magic, Oscar and Robinson. That's probably six of the top 10 all-time players and eight of the top 15-20.Ah true. I didn't see the list, but you're right.

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FlashBolt
06-21-2018, 05:38 PM
Andrei actually had the best peak if you ask me. Arvydas for obvious reasons is not gonna get a vote. Sprewell would be #2 for me but I gotta go with Sam.

Jeffy25
06-21-2018, 08:11 PM
Sprewell is my pick. Use to love watching him play. Americaís worst nightmare. Took that 8th seed Knicks team to the finals.

Yeah, that wasn't Allan Houston or Larry Johnson or Marcus Camby or old man Ewing leading the team or anything, right?

Sprewell coming off the bench was the leader :lmao:

Jeffy25
06-21-2018, 08:12 PM
I was wondering what slot had the best collection of players overall. At first thought most would probably say the #1 pick but then you look at this, and that's 4 arguably top 20 players of all time.

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It's 1 and 5 for sure

Jeffy25
06-21-2018, 08:50 PM
I was wondering what slot had the best collection of players overall. At first thought most would probably say the #1 pick but then you look at this, and that's 4 arguably top 20 players of all time.

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I'll add that we start getting good debates in the teens, and great debates at like 7 or 8

Bostonjorge
06-21-2018, 11:02 PM
Yeah, that wasn't Allan Houston or Larry Johnson or Marcus Camby or old man Ewing leading the team or anything, right?

Sprewell coming off the bench was the leader :lmao:

Spree didnít come off the bench. He led that team in scoring thru out the playoffs. He didnít do it alone of course but he did lead that team. Larry Johnson came off the bench until Ewing got hurt for good. He had a great Finals even tho Spurs won.

ewing
06-21-2018, 11:46 PM
i'm the only guy that voted for Spre?

ewing
06-21-2018, 11:48 PM
Yeah, that wasn't Allan Houston or Larry Johnson or Marcus Camby or old man Ewing leading the team or anything, right?

Sprewell coming off the bench was the leader :lmao:

Spree was an absolute beast. He forced so much pace and was one of the best defenders in the NBA.

ewing
06-21-2018, 11:50 PM
Don't sleep on ak47 here.. Only guy on the list that could score zero points and still dominate games. I could see Cassell, sprewell, or Lowry getting the nod though

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Love AK47. he was so good and when Utah let be a primary play maker he was sick!

ewing
06-21-2018, 11:51 PM
cassell i feel had the best peak, im going Sam

i disagee. I think Sprewell had a way better peak then Sam. Sam was good for a longer time

mrblisterdundee
06-21-2018, 11:54 PM
If we're talking about the best ever, I'm considering the nine years Sabonis spent being overused in the Soviet leagues. He would have been top 50 all-time had he come over when he was drafted. Dude was like Embiid, with three-point range, gaudy stats and good defense.

Jeffy25
06-22-2018, 12:15 AM
If we're talking about the best ever, I'm considering the nine years Sabonis spent being overused in the Soviet leagues. He would have been top 50 all-time had he come over when he was drafted. Dude was like Embiid, with three-point range, gaudy stats and good defense.

Standard is, the best selection in that pick. It was used to find a total stud/steal with that selection

Jeffy25
06-22-2018, 12:23 AM
Spree didnít come off the bench. He led that team in scoring thru out the playoffs. He didnít do it alone of course but he did lead that team. Larry Johnson came off the bench until Ewing got hurt for good. He had a great Finals even tho Spurs won.

He started 8 of their 20 playoff games
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/1999.html#playoffs_per_game::none

But he did play a ton of minutes lol

Vinylman
06-22-2018, 07:40 AM
if it is just NBA career as criteria then I go with AK47 by a **** hair over Cassell

but if it is basketball career Ö it is easily Sabonis

ewing
06-22-2018, 08:48 AM
definite basis against Spree here. He easily had a better basketball career then Sam Cassell. He was an all league defender who made like 5 all star teams while Sam was apart time player for a big chuck of his prime (dude hit big shots but was a 25 min a night guy for a lot of his prime). Sabonis is the clear choice for best player if we count non NBA playing but otherwise its Spree hands down.

Jeffy25
06-22-2018, 11:16 AM
To be honest, I didn't even realize that Sprewell reached 35k minutes. I just felt like in my head his career was shorter (in terms of years it was, but he always played a ton of minutes)

In this draft class, he is 7th in Win Shares

1. Porter - 110.4
2. Cassell - 87.5
3. Lowry - 80.0 (still active)
4. Kirilenko - 75.4
5. Fisher - 62.3
6. Ibaka - 57.8 (still active)
7. Sprewell - 56.3


There aren't any Hall of Famers in this class, and he has the most all-star selections (4) tied with Lowry.

Maybe I snoozed on Spree a bit, but I don't see the argument for him over Cassell outside of Spree's scoring and effort on the court.

ewing
06-22-2018, 11:38 AM
To be honest, I didn't even realize that Sprewell reached 35k minutes. I just felt like in my head his career was shorter (in terms of years it was, but he always played a ton of minutes)

In this draft class, he is 7th in Win Shares

1. Porter - 110.4
2. Cassell - 87.5
3. Lowry - 80.0 (still active)
4. Kirilenko - 75.4
5. Fisher - 62.3
6. Ibaka - 57.8 (still active)
7. Sprewell - 56.3


There aren't any Hall of Famers in this class, and he has the most all-star selections (4) tied with Lowry.

Maybe I snoozed on Spree a bit, but I don't see the argument for him over Cassell outside of Spree's scoring and effort on the court.

He was a better scorer and a much much better defender. That's enough, add in the fact that Sam was so shot happy that teams limited him to 25 mins a night for most of his prime and its landslide. Posting a stat with no context or analysis tells us nothing

Heediot
06-22-2018, 06:31 PM
Spree was an absolute beast. He forced so much pace and was one of the best defenders in the NBA.

Sprewell was sick. I voted for him too.

SiteWolf
06-22-2018, 08:28 PM
It's Sabonis and it's not even close....the only reason it is is because most of you are strictly at NBA careers when the question was who was the best.

Had Arvydas played his entire prime in the NBA, he'd be mentioned among the great big men ever.

FlashBolt
06-22-2018, 09:20 PM
It's Sabonis and it's not even close....the only reason it is is because most of you are strictly at NBA careers when the question was who was the best.

Had Arvydas played his entire prime in the NBA, he'd be mentioned among the great big men ever.

So we're judging players by what-if's rather than what happened?

SiteWolf
06-22-2018, 11:41 PM
So we're judging players by what-if's rather than what happened?

we know what happened, his prime just wasn't in the NBA with Americans watching

FlashBolt
06-23-2018, 01:55 AM
we know what happened, his prime just wasn't in the NBA with Americans watching

But the question is "Best 24th pick in the NBA" so what happened before he got to the NBA is irrelevant here.

Jeffy25
06-23-2018, 03:28 PM
So Sabonis ended up tying Cassell here, which I find surprising.

So to break the tie. Just comment on this post with either Cassell or Sabonis as a vote.

Whoever gets the most responses will win the tiebreaker.

FlashBolt
06-23-2018, 03:50 PM
I have no idea how Sabonis even got votes. People are judging him off what he was able to do pre-draft as if he had a Hall-of-fame NBA career. Cassell should be it here.

ewing
06-23-2018, 08:09 PM
I have no idea how Sabonis even got votes. People are judging him off what he was able to do pre-draft as if he had a Hall-of-fame NBA career. Cassell should be it here.

You are right but Spreewell and Porter but had a better career them Cassell


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