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Scoots
05-12-2018, 10:10 PM
Seeding the playoffs independent of conference has been discussed at length, sounds good to me, but I think we should go further than that. Let's include every NBA team in the playoffs but have the first round be 3 game series, then 5 games series, then 7 game series after that. That way the NBA gets even more playoff games and fans for more teams stick around after the regular season ends and the short series increase the chances of a cinderella team moving on.

Any ideas are welcome.

Cal827
05-12-2018, 10:54 PM
A playoff format that keeps the Raptors TF away from Lebron James

GREATNESS ONE
05-12-2018, 11:31 PM
How about the best 16 team from the WC and the Best 16 teams from the East play for the Finals spot?

warfelg
05-13-2018, 08:51 AM
I've been a vocal opponent of uncoupling the conferences from playoff setup.

However, I am in favor of doing a few things that could really change things:

Round 1: Best of 5 series

Round 2: (most dramatic change) Best of 7, games 6&7 at a neutral site. EX: A Cleveland-Milwaukee series gets to game 6, the game takes place in Chicago. Each team gets 40% to sell through their own ticket offices, 10% open to local only, 10% open nationwide.

Conference Championships: Best of 7 series, going back to 2-3-2.

Finals: Best of 7, 2-2-1-1-1. No more than 1 day off. Lasts a max of 2 weeks.

warfelg
05-13-2018, 09:13 AM
So I've been opposed to this idea of doing away with conferences. But as I was replying to Scoots playoffs thread, I had an interesting idea...what if instead of East/West alignment you did a North/South alignment.

So the first thing that you need to do is determine who's north and who's south.

So in the north you have:
Portland, Utah, Denver, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Chicago, Indiana, Detroit, Cleveland, Toronto, Washington, Philadelphia, New York, Brooklyn, Boston

In the South you have:
Sacramento, Golden State, Los Angeles (C), Los Angeles (L), Phoenix, Oklahoma City, Dallas, San Antonio, Houston, New Orleans, Memphis, Atlanta, Charlotte, Orlando, Miami

That would be my North and South.

Then within that:


Northwest
Great Lakes
North East Corrador


Portland
Chicago
Boston


Utah
Indiana
New York


Denver
Detroit
Brooklyn


Minnesota
Cleveland
Philadelphia


Milwaukee
Toronto
Washington






Calizona
Mextex
Southeast


Sacramento
Oklahoma City
Memphis


Golden State
Dallas
Charlotte


Los Angeles (C)
San Antonio
Atlanta


Los Angeles (L)
Houston
Orlando


Phoenix
New Orleans
Miami



On top of that I have some "preset" movement locations for cities that teams could move to if they wanted in order to keep the balance. They would be:
Seattle (North), St. Louis (North), Kansas City (North), Virginia Beach (North)
Las Vegas (South), San Diego (South), Albuquerque (South), Tampa Bay (South)

On top of that, there's 2 'preset' expansion cities of: Seattle (North) and Las Vegas (South).

So thoughts? Ideas other than undoing the conference idea completely? Got an idea for NFL style league where the conferences aren't geographical rather historical?

tredigs
05-13-2018, 10:01 AM
Well, this does not make any sense. The East/West is created to combat travel issues, and while it is much less of an issue now than ever (private non-stop luxury flights for every team), this does nothing to solve that problem and still does not ensure that the best 16 teams make the playoffs.

If they do make a change, the only one that makes sense to me is to banish conferences + divisions all together and make it an open league where the playoffs are for the top 16 teams period. I see very little reason not to do this, as they could still curtail the schedules to allow teams to play those closest to them more frequently than otherwise.

Scoots
05-13-2018, 10:17 AM
Time zones would be a major issue with a huge number of eastern teams now still playing at midnight EST. I think that's enough to totally kill it. There is not east/west bias in the media, there is a bias toward sleep.

GoferKing_
05-13-2018, 11:55 AM
That would be a very cheap way for the Kings to get that taste of PO competition.

Jamiecballer
05-13-2018, 01:08 PM
Realignment in not the issue. Conferences are not the issue. There have been 2 unstoppable forces since I started watching basketball, Jordan and LeBron. Ok actually 3 adding Shaq in there but the Shaq Laker years only had 6 years before the king entered the picture.

Yes geography is a factor, but if the West gets the next MJ or LeBron and that person stays West I would bet a small fortune more guys will go East.

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warfelg
05-13-2018, 01:28 PM
Realignment in not the issue. Conferences are not the issue. There have been 2 unstoppable forces since I started watching basketball, Jordan and LeBron. Ok actually 3 adding Shaq in there but the Shaq Laker years only had 6 years before the king entered the picture.

Yes geography is a factor, but if the West gets the next MJ or LeBron and that person stays West I would bet a small fortune more guys will go East.

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I do very much agree with all of this which is why generally I'm against any form of realignment or undoing of conferences.

Scoots
05-13-2018, 01:53 PM
The conferences should stay as they are. The idea behind the bracket being built across conference lines is just to avoid the all too common issue of better teams matching up early and the issue of the "real finals" being on one side of the bracket or the other.

warfelg
05-13-2018, 02:04 PM
The conferences should stay as they are. The idea behind the bracket being built across conference lines is just to avoid the all too common issue of better teams matching up early and the issue of the "real finals" being on one side of the bracket or the other.

Are you still putting in 8 teams per conference? What about more travel in between in case you get a Miami-Portland series? Does that guarantee you get the matchup you want? What about the number of times we claimed the "real finals" was on one side and it ended up that they lost?

IndyRealist
05-13-2018, 04:17 PM
I don't think setting up a North v. South rivalry is in anyone's interests.

AllBall
05-13-2018, 06:49 PM
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/11/26/7280545/nba-schedule-reform-regions-map-playoffs

Still best proposal I've seen

c.c.
05-13-2018, 07:11 PM
Where Memphis?!

Scoots
05-13-2018, 07:20 PM
Are you still putting in 8 teams per conference? What about more travel in between in case you get a Miami-Portland series? Does that guarantee you get the matchup you want? What about the number of times we claimed the "real finals" was on one side and it ended up that they lost?

I don't really care about the cross conference stuff at all. I'd rather get shorter series to add a little more randomness. And to add a little more lets just include every team in the playoffs.

JordansBulls
05-14-2018, 06:19 PM
Well, this does not make any sense. The East/West is created to combat travel issues, and while it is much less of an issue now than ever (private non-stop luxury flights for every team), this does nothing to solve that problem and still does not ensure that the best 16 teams make the playoffs.

If they do make a change, the only one that makes sense to me is to banish conferences + divisions all together and make it an open league where the playoffs are for the top 16 teams period. I see very little reason not to do this, as they could still curtail the schedules to allow teams to play those closest to them more frequently than otherwise.

Considering how much these guys make now and also considering how many flights a day happens to me this would be no issue unless you are having GSW playing the Knicks like 6 times a year or something.

warfelg
05-14-2018, 06:39 PM
Considering how much these guys make now and also considering how many flights a day happens to me this would be no issue unless you are having GSW playing the Knicks like 6 times a year or something.

They mostly fly charter too.

Jamiecballer
05-14-2018, 07:42 PM
I've got a pretty unique fix too if you like parity. Move all the teams to Montana. No market advantages, almost no travel, play each team an equal number of times. Teams still rep current nba cities but all play in butt**** Montana. Admit it it's not half bad.

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Scoots
05-14-2018, 08:12 PM
Considering how much these guys make now and also considering how many flights a day happens to me this would be no issue unless you are having GSW playing the Knicks like 6 times a year or something.

The added travel would be a real problem for a lot of teams. Particularly the ones on the bottom of the chart that are not used to it.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/15/what-team-travels-the-most-miles-in-new-nba-schedule-sorry-jimmy-butler-but/

And that is based on minimizing travel for west coast teams as it is. The North South thing is a non-starter.

Scoots
05-14-2018, 08:13 PM
I've got a pretty unique fix too if you like parity. Move all the teams to Montana. No market advantages, almost no travel, play each team an equal number of times. Teams still rep current nba cities but all play in butt**** Montana. Admit it it's not half bad.

They could all just stay home and play NBA2k against each other.

KnicksorBust
05-14-2018, 08:27 PM
I've got a unique idea too. Everyone just get over it.