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Vee-Rex
04-12-2018, 12:46 PM
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Game 1 in Houston: Rockets 104, Timberwolves 101

Game 2 in Houston: Wednesday, April 18, 9:30 p.m. ET, TNT

Game 3 in Minneapolis: Saturday, April 21, 7:30 p.m. ET, ESPN

Game 4 in Minneapolis: Monday, April 23, 8 p.m. ET, TNT

Game 5 in Houston: TBA (if necessary)

Game 6 in Minneapolis: TBA (if necessary)

Game 7 in Houston: TBA (if necessary)



* If Necessary



Projected Starting Lineups:

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C: Karl Anthony Towns
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Andrew Wiggins
SG: Jimmy Butler
PG: Jeff Teague





Projected Starting Lineups:

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C: Clint Capela
PF: PJ Tucker
SF: Trevor Ariza
SG: James Harden
PG: Chris Paul





Target Center, Minneapolis

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Toyota Center, Houston

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rhino17
04-12-2018, 01:45 PM
Rockets in 4, this is the team I wanted. Minny is the absolute best matchup for Houston, terrible defensively and donít take nearly enough 3s to compete with our scoring

Hawkeye15
04-12-2018, 01:50 PM
Houston in 4. My Wolves drew the worst matchup possible, we can't keep with a team that hits so many 3's.

HandsOnTheWheel
04-12-2018, 01:55 PM
Yup Houston in 4

mightybosstone
04-12-2018, 02:00 PM
I picked Houston in 5. Having already swept the series, I just don't think it's that likely that the Rockets go 8-0 against a team with so much talent like Minnesota. I think the Wolves will take one in Minnesota, and Towns and Butler will play out of their minds enough to get them one victory.

Also, the Mbah a Moute injury may not seem like a huge deal, but he's the Rockets' best perimeter defender, and the Wolves have multiple quality perimeter scorers.

mngopher35
04-12-2018, 02:02 PM
Ya I agree with the above. Horrible matchup but I think we snag one home game to make it go 5.

LeonFSU
04-12-2018, 02:21 PM
Meant to vote Rockets in 5.

WaDe03
04-12-2018, 02:51 PM
Jimmy isn't going out like no *****.

FlashBolt
04-12-2018, 03:39 PM
Terrible matchup for Minny.. Below average defending the three and unless Wiggins steps up and plays like Kobe, I don't think they have enough offense to beat Houston.

Vee-Rex
04-12-2018, 03:48 PM
Horrible matchup for Minny.

I picked Rockets in 4, but I think there will be at least 2 really tough games because of Butler. He'll give Harden problems, and I wouldn't be surprised if he actually outplays Harden this series (Buckets is the truth in the playoffs for those of you out west who haven't watched much of him there). KAT and Wiggins will struggle, though, and Houston's firepower is just too much.

Jeffy25
04-12-2018, 03:52 PM
I'll be surprised if it sees a 5th game.

Houston won't have a problem. Wolves needed the Jazz or someone as a matchup to have a shot.

ewing
04-12-2018, 04:59 PM
Rockets in 4

TylerSL
04-13-2018, 03:46 AM
As others have said this is a bad match up for the Wolves and I just can't see them getting a game. Chris Paul is so hungry for a championship that he's going to be playing out of his mind while James Harden has some playoff demons to exercise. I can't see Houston even dropping a game in this series. 4-0 Rockets.

SfgiantsJD3
04-13-2018, 01:01 PM
1) Houston Rockets vs. (8) Minnesota Timberwolves

Sun. April 15 Minnesota at Houston, 9 p.m., TNT
Game 2: Wed. April 18 Minnesota at Houston, 9:30 p.m., TNT

Game 3: Sat. April 21 Houston at Minnesota, 7:30 p.m., ESPN-R

Game 4: Mon. April 23 Houston at Minnesota, 8 p.m.,TNT-R

Game 5: Wed. April 25 Minnesota at Houston, TBD
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Game 6: Fri. April 27 Houston at Minnesota, TBD
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Game 7: Sun. April 29 Minnesota at Houston, TBD*

IKnowHoops
04-13-2018, 02:21 PM
Terrible matchup for Minny.. Below average defending the three and unless Wiggins steps up and plays like Kobe, I don't think they have enough offense to beat Houston.

The thing is, he does have the physical ability and has done it for stretches already. Would be unbelievable to see him take the leap in this series to Derozen. Or at least give us a Good Derozen level series to make this thing interesting

tredigs
04-13-2018, 03:08 PM
The thing is, he does have the physical ability and has done it for stretches already. Would be unbelievable to see him take the leap in this series to Derozen. Or at least give us a Good Derozen level series to make this thing interesting

Spoiler Alert: He won't.

Houston in 4 or 5. I'll say 4. They're just less than the sum of their parts currently, and Houston simply can't be stopped.

Bostonjorge
04-14-2018, 02:18 PM
Houston has to many weapons and Paulís leadership keeps everyone focused and ready. Minnesota has some young guys who have something to prove. They have enough talent to play with anyone. I think itís going to be tougher series for the Rockets then most think.

Rockets win.

tredigs
04-15-2018, 09:10 PM
Houston has to many weapons and Paulís leadership keeps everyone focused and ready. Minnesota has some young guys who have something to prove. They have enough talent to play with anyone. I think itís going to be tougher series for the Rockets then most think.

Rockets win.
The Wolves have talent, but less than the Rockets. And they have nowhere close to the structure/understanding that Houston does. If anything this will put the masses on alert to how dominant Houston actually is.

KobeOwnSU
04-15-2018, 09:50 PM
Rockets gonna choke again

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tredigs
04-15-2018, 09:55 PM
Rockets gonna choke again

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GL with that take.

tredigs
04-15-2018, 09:57 PM
Nice crosscourt pass with 2 seconds to go on the shot clock Wiggins. Elite recognition.

tredigs
04-15-2018, 10:02 PM
The Wolves have no chance in this series. NO chance.

tredigs
04-15-2018, 10:05 PM
Granted, if the Rox shoot like that against GS they'll be down 15 at the half.

KobeOwnSU
04-15-2018, 10:11 PM
The Wolves have too much talent to have no chance.

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tredigs
04-15-2018, 10:16 PM
The Wolves have too much talent to have no chance.

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It's a nice thought. They do have a chance of winning one game.

HandsOnTheWheel
04-15-2018, 10:24 PM
Houston looks terrible right now

aman_13
04-15-2018, 10:26 PM
I'll give this to the Raptors. They took advantage of the Rockets switching but that's also because they run a lot of their offense through their bigs.

tredigs
04-15-2018, 10:26 PM
Houston looks terrible right now
Their slash is 42/21/66 midway through the 3rd. If that keeps up the Wolves have a chance ; )

Scoots
04-15-2018, 10:26 PM
Mbah a Moute's injury REALLY hurts the Rockets wing rotation.

The Rockets are playing down (except Capella), the Wolves (except Towns) are playing up. Even if they win I don't think those trends continue.

aman_13
04-15-2018, 10:28 PM
It is pretty ridiculous how Towns is not getting the ball with Harden on him down low.

LOb0
04-15-2018, 10:44 PM
Maybe I'm crazy but I like this match up for the T'wolves and I could see some collapse potential from Houston here.

aman_13
04-15-2018, 10:47 PM
Maybe I'm crazy but I like this match up for the T'wolves and I could see some collapse potential from Houston here.

They can if they take advantage of the the Rockets switching. I underhand the tendency to take threes when the Rockets are hitting them at high volume and the game can be out of reach, but the Rockets are cold and the Wolves are fixated on kickouts.

tredigs
04-15-2018, 10:58 PM
Feels like PJ and Gordon have been "pushing" their shots so far tonight. Shooting terribly despite great looks. Strange game. If the Wolves can steal won it's now. Don't see it though despite the lead under 7 minutes.

aman_13
04-15-2018, 11:09 PM
Wiggins is just inviting the step back. He's not closing enough space.

Htownballa1622
04-15-2018, 11:15 PM
Let's not ignore the mvp en fuego tonight.

"Harden chokes in playoffs."

Foh

LOb0
04-15-2018, 11:23 PM
I'm so off the Wiggins wagon. He's just not going to be what I thought he was.

goingfor28
04-15-2018, 11:24 PM
What a garbage *** final play by MN. Butler didn't even attempt a 3 lol

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goingfor28
04-15-2018, 11:25 PM
Also, congrats to Harden for not being postseason trash for once.

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hallzi43
04-15-2018, 11:26 PM
What a garbage *** final play by MN. Butler didn't even attempt a 3 lol

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Ya he probably is not the guy you want taking that either tonight. Would have liked to see Wiggins or Towns take the shot.

tredigs
04-15-2018, 11:28 PM
Ya he probably is not the guy you want taking that either tonight. Would have liked to see Wiggins or Towns take the shot.

Wiggins? Lmfao. The right guy took the wrong shot. And it was drawn up terribly. Shocker.

sep11ie
04-15-2018, 11:37 PM
Also, congrats to Harden for not being postseason trash for once.

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This was his 5th 40 point game in the playoffs. Nice try troll

BKLYNpigeon
04-15-2018, 11:50 PM
Wolves offense is so bad lol.

everyone out there playing hero ball.

hallzi43
04-15-2018, 11:50 PM
Wiggins? Lmfao. The right guy took the wrong shot. And it was drawn up terribly. Shocker.

I meant Crawford fwiw.

smith&wesson
04-15-2018, 11:51 PM
Wolves need to play through towns more if they want a chance in this series. They werenít utilizing him nearly enough

lakerfan85
04-16-2018, 12:14 AM
I could use a good ID card.. ^

Htownballa1622
04-16-2018, 12:35 AM
This was his 5th 40 point game in the playoffs. Nice try troll

Boom. Roasted- Michael Scott

goingfor28
04-16-2018, 02:31 AM
This was his 5th 40 point game in the playoffs. Nice try trollNeat. He's also failed to show up way more than your average superstar player does.

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Heediot
04-16-2018, 06:12 AM
Let's not ignore the mvp en fuego tonight.

"Harden chokes in playoffs."

Foh

The first round pressure is non existent for a seasoned player like him and the playoff experience he has under his belt. The real pressure will come in round 3 and 4 (if they make it that far).

ewing
04-16-2018, 07:20 AM
The real MVP showed up for game 1


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Htownballa1622
04-16-2018, 07:50 AM
The first round pressure is non existent for a seasoned player like him and the playoff experience he has under his belt. The real pressure will come in round 3 and 4 (if they make it that far).

Blah blah. Ppl will continue to qualify. If and when harden does have a bad game(possible because playoffs are difficult) ppl will run in talking mess without acknowledging games like this.

Driven
04-16-2018, 08:31 AM
The Rockets played bad last, except for Capela and Harden. Both were fantastic. CP3 played horrible.

I'm surprised people were picking the Rockets to just crush the T-Wolves in this series. They have too much talent. But with that said, the Rockets really just had 7 of their rotational players tonight (I'm not including Gerald Green or Joe Johnson as that), 5 of them put up duds, and the Timberwolves played pretty well. But they still lost by 3. Last night was probably their best chance.

The Rockets really need Mbah a Moute back at some point in the playoffs, and Ryan Anderson, too.

Heediot
04-16-2018, 09:14 AM
Blah blah. Ppl will continue to qualify. If and when harden does have a bad game(possible because playoffs are difficult) ppl will run in talking mess without acknowledging games like this.

It works both ways. I am a Paul fan and I am just as hard on him as others. These guys have to bear fruit later down the line (rounds). I''m from Toronto too and I acknowledge the Raptors too. It is what it is.

Heediot
04-16-2018, 09:20 AM
I think as long as Harden & Paul show up and play well vs. GS (Healthy GS) and lose. There's nothing wrong with an exit there. Outside of losing to GS (while showing up), anything but a title would probably be a flop.

kyubi256
04-16-2018, 01:28 PM
IMO the Wolves are probably the 4th best team in the West right now so this will be a tough matchup for the Rockets. But I think Rockets will beat them in 5. They were balling so hard until Butler went out, now he's back

rhino17
04-16-2018, 03:06 PM
Blah blah. Ppl will continue to qualify. If and when harden does have a bad game(possible because playoffs are difficult) ppl will run in talking mess without acknowledging games like this.

People like to write their own narratives about Harden. People love to conveniently forget that James Harden was the best player on the court in game 7 vs the Clippers to sent Houston to the WCF, people still claim Harden had no part in winning that series.

goingfor28
04-16-2018, 03:35 PM
People like to write their own narratives about Harden. People love to conveniently forget that James Harden was the best player on the court in game 7 vs the Clippers to sent Houston to the WCF, people still claim Harden had no part in winning that series.Bc he was in the bench during the big run they made when the Clippers blew their chance to close out that series. They played far better with him sitting on the bench during game 5.

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rhino17
04-16-2018, 05:07 PM
Bc he was in the bench during the big run they made when the Clippers blew their chance to close out that series. They played far better with him sitting on the bench during game 5.

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And you lose game 7 easy if Harden doesn't play like a boss

europagnpilgrim
04-16-2018, 07:03 PM
I'm so off the Wiggins wagon. He's just not going to be what I thought he was.

neither is Tatum / Brown, based on how these folks on here over rank young players, Wiggins just happened to do it first, those guys coming out of college these days are the reason why the 03' class can still play at high level, the draft sucks as a whole, the nba bloodline is the draft and the 03' class is on its last leg, having 2-5 good to really good players per draft while 2 may be superstars is not something to base your future on

when you got guys like Porter and Adams getting 100mill contracts then you know something is wrong with the league on a 'superstar' talent level, those are contracts reserved for 'superstars', not because I drafted this player I have to max him on the first deal, likely what will happen with Brown / Tatum as it happened to Wiggins, who wasn't and isn't nowhere near close to a max deal player

Chronz
04-16-2018, 08:28 PM
Blah blah. Ppl will continue to qualify. If and when harden does have a bad game(possible because playoffs are difficult) ppl will run in talking mess without acknowledging games like this.

Not at all, his career to date has warranted that discussion. Games like yesterday will erase them

Htownballa1622
04-17-2018, 11:32 AM
Not at all, his career to date has warranted that discussion. Games like yesterday will erase them

You think so? He's had bad moments but he's also had very good moments. Every year he's in the playoffs, his team performs as he does and he loses to higher seeds and beats lower seeds. I think he's been fine here and hopefully he continues to get better while putting away this "choker" narrative.

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tredigs
04-17-2018, 11:42 AM
You think so? He's had bad moments but he's also had very good moments. Every year he's in the playoffs, his team performs as he does and he loses to higher seeds and beats lower seeds. I think he's been fine here and hopefully he continues to get better while putting away this "choker" narrative.

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On 41.8% from the field and 33% from 3, but at least he's been getting to the line. Concerning the choker narrative, we are only 1 playoff game removed from one of the biggest choke jobs by a guy in modern playoff history (this in a series where he actually went 3-17 in a separate game...), so... yeah he's got some proving to do.

Htownballa1622
04-17-2018, 12:42 PM
On 41.8% from the field and 33% from 3, but at least he's been getting to the line. Concerning the choker narrative, we are only 1 playoff game removed from one of the biggest choke jobs by a guy in modern playoff history (this in a series where he actually went 3-17 in a separate game...), so... yeah he's got some proving to do.

We define choking and playing bad differently.

1st game 20 and 14 assists on 46/38 shooting

2: 13/10/7 bad shooting game
3: 43 and 5 assists on 50/38.5 shooting
4: 28/12/5 on 56/36
5: 33/10/10 on 46/27
6: 10/7 on bad shooting.

He had 2 Horrific games out of 6. We (more like you and national media) gloss over the fact that his teammates played like **** more often than not. Hence why they ultimately lost to higher seed.

Soooo, nah, he doesn't have proving to do. Proof is there for us that pay attention and don't just stick to narratives. He's had good and bad games. Y'all only tend to remember bad.

tredigs
04-17-2018, 01:00 PM
We define choking and playing bad differently.

1st game 20 and 14 assists on 46/38 shooting

2: 13/10/7 bad shooting game
3: 43 and 5 assists on 50/38.5 shooting
4: 28/12/5 on 56/36
5: 33/10/10 on 46/27
6: 10/7 on bad shooting.

He had 2 Horrific games out of 6. We (more like you and national media) gloss over the fact that his teammates played like **** more often than not. Hence why they ultimately lost to higher seed.

Soooo, nah, he doesn't have proving to do. Proof is there for us that pay attention and don't just stick to narratives. He's had good and bad games. Y'all only tend to remember bad.

No dude, sorry. He's the MVP. And many thought he should have been MVP last season (I guarantee you were among those leading the parade). He went 3 for 17 in G2 and that game is almost never brought up when talking about his series. That's how bad he choked. I don't know if he gave up or was just completely shook, but his G6 was one of the most pathetic superstar efforts I have ever seen. It's not something you should even want to defend. Then he went out and raged all night lol. It was just a terrible time to be a Harden fan. I'm fully expecting him to play great in these playoffs, though. But we will see how he handles the true test when Golden State comes to town.

ChiSox219
04-17-2018, 01:55 PM
Has any other star ever had a playoff game with more turnovers than field goal attempts?

Htownballa1622
04-17-2018, 02:13 PM
No dude, sorry. He's the MVP. And many thought he should have been MVP last season (I guarantee you were among those leading the parade). He went 3 for 17 in G2 and that game is almost never brought up when talking about his series. That's how bad he choked. I don't know if he gave up or was just completely shook, but his G6 was one of the most pathetic superstar efforts I have ever seen. It's not something you should even want to defend. Then he went out and raged all night lol. It was just a terrible time to be a Harden fan. I'm fully expecting him to play great in these playoffs, though. But we will see how he handles the true test when Golden State comes to town.

I get what you're saying but I also am aware how hard it is when you have defenses completely game planned for just you. He's got cp3 to ease the burden now so we shall see how he fares.

I don't defend that game 6 or game 2. He was horrible. I've said that. I just don't think 2 out of 6 games paints the broad stroke that national people talk about when it comes to his past playoff history. I look at it in totality. He had a rough close to game 6 against clips when he was benched. He was huge in that game 7. THAT'S my point. He's had good and bad.

tredigs
04-17-2018, 03:30 PM
I get what you're saying but I also am aware how hard it is when you have defenses completely game planned for just you. He's got cp3 to ease the burden now so we shall see how he fares.

I don't defend that game 6 or game 2. He was horrible. I've said that. I just don't think 2 out of 6 games paints the broad stroke that national people talk about when it comes to his past playoff history. I look at it in totality. He had a rough close to game 6 against clips when he was benched. He was huge in that game 7. THAT'S my point. He's had good and bad.
He's had the label ever since he **** the bed in his first/only Finals appearance as a third option (3rd year in the league...8th playoff series... plenty of experience and the easiest matchup). And again, 41% from the field and 33% from 3 are his career playoff numbers with Houston up to this point. He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire. It's far from his most recent meltdown.

mngopher35
04-17-2018, 04:38 PM
Ya to an extent that label has been a little unfair though from his play after that finals series I think is the point and have even gone over his numbers compared to Durant from 13-16 before as well (briefly below too). That finals started the narrative but the following years I really only heard about Harden being a post season choker while KD was regularly among top guys in league and without said label...

Durant per 100 possessions: 35.8 points, 5.2 assist, 10.1 reb, 4.2 turns 110 ORTG (48 games)
Harden per 100 possessions: 33.5 points, 8.4 assist, 7.0 reb, 5.5 turns 112 ORTG (34 games)

If you want to talk about not performing up to expectations in poor exits KD ended against Memphis on 5/21 shooting with 7 turnovers that series (this was the one without Westy, game before wasn't very good either). Even against GS when they lost 3 straight he wasn't that good even if not as horrible and the home game (6) went 10/31 with 3 turns.

Basically I think that while Harden hasn't been great it is obvious he has to be the focal point for his team and take much of the attention etc. Look at how Durants numbers jumped up now surrounded by major talent in a great system to get him open looks (he isn't relied on to create at the same extent or have as much pressure individually etc). When you actually look at their numbers compared to each other and see some poor exits from Durant too I think it is fair to question why Harden gets this label based off his play on the rockets in comparison to someone considered a top player in the league over that span.

mngopher35
04-17-2018, 04:42 PM
As for the series it was a killer to have towns/butler perform like that in comparison to harden. Really the rest of our team was stepping up and I expect much better from our star duo.

The ignoring of towns in the post with a midget on him has happened all year. Teague/Crawford on a big is clearly the matchup thibs prefers

Htownballa1622
04-17-2018, 07:14 PM
As for the series it was a killer to have towns/butler perform like that in comparison to harden. Really the rest of our team was stepping up and I expect much better from our star duo.

The ignoring of towns in the post with a midget on him has happened all year. Teague/Crawford on a big is clearly the matchup thibs prefers

Yeah, I noticed that. Kinda weird based on Kat's comments about following gameplan.

I get the idea but I disagree with thibs. They should feed Kat when he gets mismatch.

mngopher35
04-17-2018, 07:15 PM
Ya I think most wolves fans also think we should play through towns in those situations

Htownballa1622
04-17-2018, 08:07 PM
Ya to an extent that label has been a little unfair though from his play after that finals series I think is the point and have even gone over his numbers compared to Durant from 13-16 before as well (briefly below too). That finals started the narrative but the following years I really only heard about Harden being a post season choker while KD was regularly among top guys in league and without said label...

Durant per 100 possessions: 35.8 points, 5.2 assist, 10.1 reb, 4.2 turns 110 ORTG (48 games)
Harden per 100 possessions: 33.5 points, 8.4 assist, 7.0 reb, 5.5 turns 112 ORTG (34 games)

If you want to talk about not performing up to expectations in poor exits KD ended against Memphis on 5/21 shooting with 7 turnovers that series (this was the one without Westy, game before wasn't very good either). Even against GS when they lost 3 straight he wasn't that good even if not as horrible and the home game (6) went 10/31 with 3 turns.

Basically I think that while Harden hasn't been great it is obvious he has to be the focal point for his team and take much of the attention etc. Look at how Durants numbers jumped up now surrounded by major talent in a great system to get him open looks (he isn't relied on to create at the same extent or have as much pressure individually etc). When you actually look at their numbers compared to each other and see some poor exits from Durant too I think it is fair to question why Harden gets this label based off his play on the rockets in comparison to someone considered a top player in the league over that span.

Thank you.

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tredigs
04-17-2018, 08:13 PM
Ya to an extent that label has been a little unfair though from his play after that finals series I think is the point and have even gone over his numbers compared to Durant from 13-16 before as well (briefly below too). That finals started the narrative but the following years I really only heard about Harden being a post season choker while KD was regularly among top guys in league and without said label...

Durant per 100 possessions: 35.8 points, 5.2 assist, 10.1 reb, 4.2 turns 110 ORTG (48 games)
Harden per 100 possessions: 33.5 points, 8.4 assist, 7.0 reb, 5.5 turns 112 ORTG (34 games)

If you want to talk about not performing up to expectations in poor exits KD ended against Memphis on 5/21 shooting with 7 turnovers that series (this was the one without Westy, game before wasn't very good either). Even against GS when they lost 3 straight he wasn't that good even if not as horrible and the home game (6) went 10/31 with 3 turns.

Basically I think that while Harden hasn't been great it is obvious he has to be the focal point for his team and take much of the attention etc. Look at how Durants numbers jumped up now surrounded by major talent in a great system to get him open looks (he isn't relied on to create at the same extent or have as much pressure individually etc). When you actually look at their numbers compared to each other and see some poor exits from Durant too I think it is fair to question why Harden gets this label based off his play on the rockets in comparison to someone considered a top player in the league over that span.
I would say KD absolutely had that label. There are some differences though. KD was absolutely suffocated in that Memphis series to an extent that I have never seen towards Harden (don't get me wrong he was the primary focus of SA of course, but it wasn't an all out blitz like that Memphis series in particular). That team was truly abysmal offensively once it was down to just him on that end. But, he tried. The effort was there, he just could not get any airspace or anything to fall. In the Warriors series his shot was off (again going against a stifling D), but man he was a force of nature regardless due to his defense. It was the best D they faced from any player by far that whole season. Harden? He looked like he had somewhere else to be. Like some apathetic deer inthe headlights. That's the difference.

mngopher35
04-17-2018, 09:45 PM
I would say KD absolutely had that label. There are some differences though. KD was absolutely suffocated in that Memphis series to an extent that I have never seen towards Harden (don't get me wrong he was the primary focus of SA of course, but it wasn't an all out blitz like that Memphis series in particular). That team was truly abysmal offensively once it was down to just him on that end. But, he tried. The effort was there, he just could not get any airspace or anything to fall. In the Warriors series his shot was off (again going against a stifling D), but man he was a force of nature regardless due to his defense. It was the best D they faced from any player by far that whole season. Harden? He looked like he had somewhere else to be. Like some apathetic deer inthe headlights. That's the difference.

Well I dunno I guess I just missed him having that label etc. at near the level I have for Harden and if so then I think people should really realize that these guys aren't transforming overnight they simply are in different/better situations. Harden should be a choke artist to a similar extent to KD over that time and the thing that changed it was simply stacking the deck largely in his favor. We can argue about the looks in their eyes all day like with Kobe etc. and many others throughout history but at the end of the day both of them failed to step up when needed in those games (with a couple real bad games each) and the overall production paints him nicely in comparison.

That's why the label is so dumb to me in the end though, most people just assign it to anyone who loses they don't really like. Then once they are surrounded by talent the label magically goes away for most as well (see Kobe after Shaq pre Gasol, Lebron pre heat etc. so it's not new). It is very tough to carry the load yourself and when you get help it makes it much easier for you to play to your strengths etc.

Htownballa1622
04-18-2018, 10:48 AM
Such a weird gameplan by Thibs.

Too many times KAT just screens and runs away to corner.

https://youtu.be/hpL_mNJcPYg

TrueFan420
04-18-2018, 11:27 AM
Such a weird gameplan by Thibs.

Too many times KAT just screens and runs away to corner.

https://youtu.be/hpL_mNJcPYg

The game has passed Thibs by. He'd make a great assistant but I just don't see him as someone I'd want to be my HC.

ewing
04-18-2018, 11:45 AM
The game has passed Thibs by. He'd make a great assistant but I just don't see him as someone I'd want to be my HC.

having him go to the corner instead of the post isn't old school basketball

mngopher35
04-18-2018, 11:46 AM
Such a weird gameplan by Thibs.

Too many times KAT just screens and runs away to corner.

https://youtu.be/hpL_mNJcPYg

The game has passed Thibs by. He'd make a great assistant but I just don't see him as someone I'd want to be my HC.

Going back to last season there have been constant complaints about thibs, I think a lot of mn fans agree (myself included)

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 11:56 AM
Wiggins? Lmfao. The right guy took the wrong shot. And it was drawn up terribly. Shocker.

Wiggins is the best late shot on the Wolves

mngopher35
04-18-2018, 12:25 PM
Wiggins is the best late shot on the Wolves

I won't get into who should have taken the shot or how bad Thibs late game plays etc normally are.

I will just point out that Thibs trying to use Wiggins as a closer like Jimmy Butler last year and throwing Rubio/Towns in the corner was for sure a huge reason for our slow start (like 6-18 with majority losses within 9 points, we went something like 32-26 to end the season). Rubio was like 6.5/6.5 with worse than normal shooting for him (like 35%) over that span because Thibs refused to run the offense in a way that benefited the team at the expense of trying to make a new Jimmy Butler (12/10 on 41% after finally getting reigns to offense back). Kat was shooting like 47% due to where we were getting him touches at 21ppg, after that point was 56% on 26ppg because he was getting better looks when ISO wiggins wasn't our main call.

This isn't as much to say Wiggins hasn't improved and can't be counted on late (although I still wouldn't trust him personally) as it is to give an example of even last year why people started complaining about Thibs. The comments just kinda fit together though as the forcing of Andrew into that role early really hurt us (he was under 40% in clutch last year I think too)

WaDe03
04-18-2018, 12:38 PM
Wiggins is the best late shot on the Wolves

It's easily butler and it's not even close. He's one of the clutchest players in NBA history.

tredigs
04-18-2018, 12:40 PM
Well I dunno I guess I just missed him having that label etc. at near the level I have for Harden and if so then I think people should really realize that these guys aren't transforming overnight they simply are in different/better situations. Harden should be a choke artist to a similar extent to KD over that time and the thing that changed it was simply stacking the deck largely in his favor. We can argue about the looks in their eyes all day like with Kobe etc. and many others throughout history but at the end of the day both of them failed to step up when needed in those games (with a couple real bad games each) and the overall production paints him nicely in comparison.

That's why the label is so dumb to me in the end though, most people just assign it to anyone who loses they don't really like. Then once they are surrounded by talent the label magically goes away for most as well (see Kobe after Shaq pre Gasol, Lebron pre heat etc. so it's not new). It is very tough to carry the load yourself and when you get help it makes it much easier for you to play to your strengths etc.

I agree with most of this. The labels in general are way overblown and due to circumstance as much as anything else. HOWEVER, there are situations like Harden against the Spurs in G6 or LeBron against the Cavs where not only did they fail, but they looked like they lost their will to compete. Im OK with simply struggling, but those cases deserve to be hammered. And that was Harden's most recent series. It's going to take a little time to wipe the stink off.

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 12:41 PM
We define choking and playing bad differently.

1st game 20 and 14 assists on 46/38 shooting

2: 13/10/7 bad shooting game
3: 43 and 5 assists on 50/38.5 shooting
4: 28/12/5 on 56/36
5: 33/10/10 on 46/27
6: 10/7 on bad shooting.

He had 2 Horrific games out of 6. We (more like you and national media) gloss over the fact that his teammates played like **** more often than not. Hence why they ultimately lost to higher seed.

Soooo, nah, he doesn't have proving to do. Proof is there for us that pay attention and don't just stick to narratives. He's had good and bad games. Y'all only tend to remember bad.

Semantics...comímon, thatís a pretty solid choke JOB from an MVP

tredigs
04-18-2018, 12:49 PM
Wiggins is the best late shot on the Wolves

What??

What about Wiggins game/track record makes you think he's a better late option than Jimmy or KAT? The guy can't even hit a FT at a respectable rate at this point. That's who you want with the ball in your hands in a last second situation? You gotta get over this love affair with Wiggins.

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 12:52 PM
I won't get into who should have taken the shot or how bad Thibs late game plays etc normally are.

I will just point out that Thibs trying to use Wiggins as a closer like Jimmy Butler last year and throwing Rubio/Towns in the corner was for sure a huge reason for our slow start (like 6-18 with majority losses within 9 points, we went something like 32-26 to end the season). Rubio was like 6.5/6.5 with worse than normal shooting for him (like 35%) over that span because Thibs refused to run the offense in a way that benefited the team at the expense of trying to make a new Jimmy Butler (12/10 on 41% after finally getting reigns to offense back). Kat was shooting like 47% due to where we were getting him touches at 21ppg, after that point was 56% on 26ppg because he was getting better looks when ISO wiggins wasn't our main call.

This isn't as much to say Wiggins hasn't improved and can't be counted on late (although I still wouldn't trust him personally) as it is to give an example of even last year why people started complaining about Thibs. The comments just kinda fit together though as the forcing of Andrew into that role early really hurt us (he was under 40% in clutch last year I think too)

I agree. I wasnít meaning use him as a closer, but more of a buzzer beater weapon. He will elevate and get the look and hit very difficult shots better than anyone on our team. Like if we must have a look with 2 sec, I want it to go to Wigg. He gets a good loook and shot every time

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 12:54 PM
It's easily butler and it's not even close. He's one of the clutchest players in NBA history.

I love Butler as the Closer donít get me wrong

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 12:55 PM
What??

What about Wiggins game/track record makes you think he's a better late option than Jimmy or KAT? The guy can't even hit a FT at a respectable rate at this point. That's who you want with the ball in your hands in a last second situation? You gotta get over this love affair with Wiggins.

Itís a multi-layered multi situational answer for me. Butler 90% of the time.

tredigs
04-18-2018, 12:59 PM
Itís a multi-layered multi situational answer for me. Butler 90% of the time.

Well that's a different answer lol. But I'd agree of Wiggins is left wide open or has a terrible mark go ahead and go with it I guess. I'd have problems finding another reason. Unless Jimmy Buckets takes another deep 2 to try to tie a 3 point game smh.

mngopher35
04-18-2018, 01:01 PM
I agree with most of this. The labels in general are way overblown and due to circumstance as much as anything else. HOWEVER, there are situations like Harden against the Spurs in G6 or LeBron against the Cavs where not only did they fail, but they looked like they lost their will to compete. Im OK with simply struggling, but those cases deserve to be hammered. And that was Harden's most recent series. It's going to take a little time to wipe the stink off.

Ok ya I think you see things closer to me probably then. I agree it will take time to wipe the stink off but again it really just comes down to casual fans perception. Lebron/Harden are as much make the right play/playmakers as they are scorers. When a playmaker is having an off night and defers it looks much different than when a scorer has an off night (and either defers more often or compounds it by hurting his team by missing many shots he shouldn't take etc.). I fully get that it appears much worse to look like Harden/Lebron in those situations and it is their own fault on top of just their style as they clearly did look dejected to an extreme but a guy shooting his team out of a game instead of just letting other try and step up is more optics than anything imo. All sucked they just have different styles of doing so.

I just care about their actual impact more than perception and that perception is exactly what's dumb about the term. It just goes away when you stack the deck in your favor to win because again it is mostly perception based on not based off actual impact etc.

mngopher35
04-18-2018, 01:02 PM
I agree. I wasnít meaning use him as a closer, but more of a buzzer beater weapon. He will elevate and get the look and hit very difficult shots better than anyone on our team. Like if we must have a look with 2 sec, I want it to go to Wigg. He gets a good loook and shot every time

So wiggins is our best tough shot maker type thing? I think you are getting closer but we have a guy named Jamal Crawford haha. Wiggins is more used to taking difficult shots though I agree

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 01:02 PM
Well that's a different answer lol. But I'd agree of Wiggins is left wide open or has a terrible mark go ahead and go with it I guess. I'd have problems finding another reason. Unless Jimmy Buckets takes another deep 2 to try to tie a 3 point game smh.

Thatís what Iím saying. Jimmy is a lot better than Wiggins but itís all mentall, buuuuuut, Wiggins is such a natural mover, smother and longer and effortless scorer. Heís just mentally not there yet. But you see Jimmy f-ing up like that. Itís not the kind of F-up Wiggins makes in a scoring opportunity. He may not convert, but heís going to make a hard move elevate and get off a clean look.

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 01:04 PM
So wiggins is our best tough shot maker type thing? I think you are getting closer but we have a guy named Jamal Crawford haha. Wiggins is more used to taking difficult shots though I agree

Haha lol yeah, Crawford should of taken the shot

LeonFSU
04-18-2018, 01:48 PM
Butler still doesn't look like he's all the way back from his injury to me.

WaDe03
04-18-2018, 01:56 PM
I love Butler as the Closer donít get me wrong

So then why do you have Wiggins as their best option late?

kdspurman
04-18-2018, 03:52 PM
Op updated with schedule/ lineups

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 09:41 PM
So then why do you have Wiggins as their best option late?

Well I meant to say if you need a shot with 5 sec on the clock, I go Wigg. He has a few buzzer beaters for us.

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 09:43 PM
Butler still doesn't look like he's all the way back from his injury to me.

Yeah, not even close, which drives my belief home even more.

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 09:46 PM
Letís go go Wiggins...Time...2...explode!!!!!!

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 09:50 PM
Teague!

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 09:51 PM
Wigg

c.c.
04-18-2018, 09:57 PM
That block was nasty by Harden lol

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 09:57 PM
So feezy so geezy

hallzi43
04-18-2018, 09:57 PM
Towns gotta stop playing so soft.

TrueFan420
04-18-2018, 10:00 PM
having him go to the corner instead of the post isn't old school basketball

The game passing him by means more than just him being stuck in the past. It's more he just doesn't have what it takes anymore. And telling a big to go to the corner doesn't mean he's with the times. Just means he's trying to be. But trying to be and being are different things.

c.c.
04-18-2018, 10:02 PM
Harden right shoulder looks bruised

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 10:08 PM
I donít want to see j Crawford going one on and launching

hallzi43
04-18-2018, 10:11 PM
just keep taking the ball at houston. force them to defend you rather than just allowing them to force you into bad shots

tredigs
04-18-2018, 10:12 PM
986788383191023616

Harper's good.

c.c.
04-18-2018, 10:17 PM
Keep shooting, them shots will start falling eventually

HandsOnTheWheel
04-18-2018, 10:41 PM
Looks more like the Rockets seen in the regular season. The one that can realistically compete with gs ;)

Htownballa1622
04-18-2018, 10:42 PM
Harden shooting 1 for 10 but he's been ok overall finding green and getting to line.

Butler clearly not 100%

hallzi43
04-18-2018, 10:42 PM
If MN kept taking it to the hoop this would be a game. Unfortunately they go spurts where they keep Towns 20 feet from the basket and shoot low chance junpers.

Htownballa1622
04-18-2018, 10:43 PM
Harden right shoulder looks bruised

I think it's cupping therapy. He's got them all over his arms

FlashBolt
04-18-2018, 10:52 PM
houston saving Harden right now.

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:03 PM
houston saving Harden right now.

Last time I checked, Basketball was a team sport.

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:09 PM
Haden to Ariza for the touchdown!

zn23
04-18-2018, 11:11 PM
KAT is getting really exposed...

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:13 PM
Then another one, three plays later

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 11:14 PM
KAT is getting really exposed...
Heís a beast but itís just awful basketball

IKnowHoops
04-18-2018, 11:14 PM
Donít think I can watch much more of this

FlashBolt
04-18-2018, 11:17 PM
Last time I checked, Basketball was a team sport.

so what's wrong with what I said?

Htownballa1622
04-18-2018, 11:18 PM
houston saving Harden right now.

He's off shooting but make no mistake he's the engine. Others are just showing up. Bad shooting night but he's controlling game. Juat missing shots.

tredigs
04-18-2018, 11:21 PM
Harden is 2-16 and they're up 21. The Rockets are ****ing disgusting :laugh:

Htownballa1622
04-18-2018, 11:25 PM
Hardens shot tonight <

:puke:

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:28 PM
Harden is 2-16 and they're up 21. The Rockets are ****ing disgusting :laugh:

Harden is getting doubled a lot. Glad to see others knocking down shots when he passes out of the double team.

FlashBolt
04-18-2018, 11:33 PM
He's off shooting but make no mistake he's the engine. Others are just showing up. Bad shooting night but he's controlling game. Juat missing shots.

yes. but let's not ignore that curry, KD, lebron, westy, wouldn't get killed for it.

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:33 PM
Chris Paul reaction was so mature

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:37 PM
yes. but let's not ignore that curry, KD, lebron, westy, wouldn't get killed for it.

Harden would too if it resulted in a loss but letís not get into a debate. Just enjoy the game

tredigs
04-18-2018, 11:38 PM
Harden is getting doubled a lot. Glad to see others knocking down shots when he passes out of the double team.
Harden shoots 2-17 if you double him in the playoffs? Good to know.

FlashBolt
04-18-2018, 11:40 PM
Harden would too if it resulted in a loss but letís not get into a debate. Just enjoy the game

that's my point, though. He's getting a freebie here thanks to his team.

FlashBolt
04-18-2018, 11:41 PM
Harden shoots 2-17 if you double him in the playoffs? Good to know.

these the same people making fun of Curry in the Finals though...

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:41 PM
these the same people making fun of Curry in the Finals though...

Only Warrior I made fun of was Draymond Green when he got selected to the All-Star game.

valade16
04-18-2018, 11:43 PM
Karl Anthony Towns has not had a great start to his playoff career. 8 pts game 1 and 5 pts game 2.

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:44 PM
Lol you guys are too worried about Hardens struggles and total ignoring CP3 amazing play

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:51 PM
Hardens defense is making up for his poor offense tonight

Htownballa1622
04-18-2018, 11:57 PM
Read on Twitter that harden and cp3 trolling wolves having b2b trash games for fun.


Smh.

Rockets haven't even shot 3 well yet(aside from green).
Bear with the block!

Htownballa1622
04-18-2018, 11:58 PM
Texans legend Andre Johnson at game. He and Joe Johnson need a picture together.

rhino17
04-18-2018, 11:59 PM
Harden shooting poorly but doing everything else well

c.c.
04-18-2018, 11:59 PM
Nice! Got our young bench players getting playoff minutes

Htownballa1622
04-19-2018, 12:01 AM
962365097229172738?s=19

c.c.
04-19-2018, 12:02 AM
Wolves trying to score as many points as possible so the box wonít look so terrible

More-Than-Most
04-19-2018, 12:06 AM
I wonder if lebron ever shot 2-18 would the cavs win let alone win by 20... interesting.

More-Than-Most
04-19-2018, 12:07 AM
thank hell the rest of the team is carrying because if the rockets lost this the harden choke job would be in full effect on every sports station

FlashBolt
04-19-2018, 12:11 AM
thank hell the rest of the team is carrying because if the rockets lost this the harden choke job would be in full effect on every sports station

I mean, I don't want to imply Harden didn't get carried here but it's the truth. He got carried. Nothing wrong with that because that's what teammates are for but when we talk about who brings the most value.. which I've been saying, all season, it's LeBron. The teammates they have are night and day.

tredigs
04-19-2018, 12:21 AM
I wonder if lebron ever shot 2-18 would the cavs win let alone win by 20... interesting.

No, but the Rockets are way, way better than Cleveland. So, that doesn't really tell us anything. That's why I always love this argument. It only makes sense if these teams were on equal footing when both play the same. They're not, at all.

Chronz
04-19-2018, 12:21 AM
You think so? He's had bad moments but he's also had very good moments. Every year he's in the playoffs, his team performs as he does and he loses to higher seeds and beats lower seeds. I think he's been fine here and hopefully he continues to get better while putting away this "choker" narrative.

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Absolutely. Raw point tallies are a horrible gauge, his overall production and efficiency given the strength of the opposition is beneath superstar standard. He's not in that joe Johnson mold of collapse but he's not exactly impressed either. Unless you enjoy an efficiency drop

c.c.
04-19-2018, 12:22 AM
I mean, I don't want to imply Harden didn't get carried here but it's the truth. He got carried. Nothing wrong with that because that's what teammates are for but when we talk about who brings the most value.. which I've been saying, all season, it's LeBron. The teammates they have are night and day.

You comparing a ďregular seasonĒ award to a ďplayoffĒ game you just watched.....interesting

JJ_JKidd
04-19-2018, 12:22 AM
Looks like a Towns meltdown in this series. First time in the postseason tho, he will def learn from this.

More-Than-Most
04-19-2018, 12:51 AM
Looks like a Towns meltdown in this series. First time in the postseason tho, he will def learn from this.

I just dont understand why the first time in the post season means so much... These guys play these teams all year... these series arent 1 and done... there is no excuse for these top guys to play like **** and the excuse being its their first game or 2nd game.. Towns is a monster offensively he just needs to be that same guy he was all year.... The only difference is they have butler and that could be hindering towns a bit.

What i mean by this is towns should always be the first option but butler is now the first option and wiggins seems like he refuses to be the 3rd option so those 2 guys are holding the ball way to much and its limiting the offense and towns.

More-Than-Most
04-19-2018, 12:54 AM
No, but the Rockets are way, way better than Cleveland. So, that doesn't really tell us anything. That's why I always love this argument. It only makes sense if these teams were on equal footing when both play the same. They're not, at all.

how the hell does this even matter? bron has a worst team and they have no shot at ever winning if he had the performance harden just had... that says a ton on how different talent wise both teams are which shows how valuable bron is and WHO THE ACTUAL MVP SHOULD BE. Sorry

tredigs
04-19-2018, 12:54 AM
KAT's gonna get somewhat of a pass for this being his first playoff series, but man it's his 3rd year. Those first two games (8 points and 5 points on 5-18 total) are ROUGH.

tredigs
04-19-2018, 01:09 AM
how the hell does this even matter? bron has a worst team and they have no shot at ever winning if he had the performance harden just had... that says a ton on how different talent wise both teams are which shows how valuable bron is and WHO THE ACTUAL MVP SHOULD BE. Sorry

You don't get it. The Rockets are WAY BETTER than the Cavs. If they play in the Finals the Rockets will absolutely murder them. IE, if Harden WAS on tonight (like he is 95% of the time), they would have won that game by 40 instead of just 20. The Cavs would have lost? Great. Lebron makes a meh team pretty good. Harden makes a very good team All Time Great.

smith&wesson
04-19-2018, 02:43 AM
KAT's gonna get somewhat of a pass for this being his first playoff series, but man it's his 3rd year. Those first two games (8 points and 5 points on 5-18 total) are ROUGH.

Gotta give Capela some credit here.. DíAntoni as well, even though heís not a defensive coach they have the right game plan in place to get the ball out of Towns hands.

smith&wesson
04-19-2018, 02:45 AM
I just dont understand why the first time in the post season means so much... These guys play these teams all year... these series arent 1 and done... there is no excuse for these top guys to play like **** and the excuse being its their first game or 2nd game.. Towns is a monster offensively he just needs to be that same guy he was all year.... The only difference is they have butler and that could be hindering towns a bit.

What i mean by this is towns should always be the first option but butler is now the first option and wiggins seems like he refuses to be the 3rd option so those 2 guys are holding the ball way to much and its limiting the offense and towns.

I think Wiggins is the main issue on that Wolves team. He doesnít have the ball iq to make the right play and forces up bad shots. Teague and Butler are high iq guys but the way Wiggins plays is enough to throw the whole teams offensive rythem off.

JJ_JKidd
04-19-2018, 03:21 AM
You don't get it. The Rockets are WAY BETTER than the Cavs. If they play in the Finals the Rockets will absolutely murder them. IE, if Harden WAS on tonight (like he is 95% of the time), they would have won that game by 40 instead of just 20. The Cavs would have lost? Great. Lebron makes a meh team pretty good. Harden makes a very good team All Time Great.

KAT was more than decent vs Hou during the regular season. Good thing Hou found a way to stop him.

Htownballa1622
04-19-2018, 07:49 AM
how the hell does this even matter? bron has a worst team and they have no shot at ever winning if he had the performance harden just had... that says a ton on how different talent wise both teams are which shows how valuable bron is and WHO THE ACTUAL MVP SHOULD BE. Sorry

I can't wait until harden wins the actual mvp and you let the salt flow.

Driven
04-19-2018, 07:54 AM
how the hell does this even matter? bron has a worst team and they have no shot at ever winning if he had the performance harden just had... that says a ton on how different talent wise both teams are which shows how valuable bron is and WHO THE ACTUAL MVP SHOULD BE. Sorry

His point is that if Harden were on the Cavs that the Cavs would lose with this type of a performance as well, it's no difference whether Harden or LeBron is leading the team. If Lebron were on Rockets, the Rockets would still be winning with this type of a performance as well, it's no difference whether Harden or LeBron is leading the team.

He's saying that you can't really make an argument for MVP based on this logic.

It's not like the Rockets and Cavs ended the season with similar records. The Rockets had 65 wins versus the Cavs 50. A point differential of 8.5 PPG versus 0.9 PPG.

Also, what about what Anthony Davis is doing in New Orleans? The Pelicans had 48 wins, and are up 2-0 on the 3 seed. Why wouldn't you throw his name in here too?

Driven
04-19-2018, 07:55 AM
Side note - I think I read that KAT only had two games in the regular season where he scored single digits. He's had two this series so far. Don't quite know what to make of that.

JAZZNC
04-19-2018, 08:28 AM
Side note - I think I read that KAT only had two games in the regular season where he scored single digits. He's had two this series so far. Don't quite know what to make of that.

It says he still has a long way to go.

mightybosstone
04-19-2018, 08:53 AM
Harden puts up a monster performance, carrying his team to a tight Game 1 victory? Silence. Harden has a tough shooting night in a Rockets blowout? "Harden's team is carrying him." "Another choke job."

I'm still on vacation in Europe. Just wanted to drop in to recognize that classic anti-Harden hypocrisy I've seen the last few pages.

Htownballa1622
04-19-2018, 09:16 AM
Harden puts up a monster performance, carrying his team to a tight Game 1 victory? Silence. Harden has a tough shooting night in a Rockets blowout? "Harden's team is carrying him." "Another choke job."

I'm still on vacation in Europe. Just wanted to drop in to recognize that classic anti-Harden hypocrisy I've seen the last few pages.

Hope you're enjoying yourself across the pond!

You forgot though, after game 1....HE TRAVELED! That's why he scored 44 points!

After game 2. SEE HE CHOKES AND GETS CARRIED. :eyebrow:

Driven
04-19-2018, 09:25 AM
I think everyone is recognizing that Harden played an incredible Game 1, but a Game 1 in an opening series doesn't erase past memories. He played very badly last night. His numbers were horrible. Everyone knows that Harden can be a machine offensively, but when you put up a 2-18 night what do you expect? Harden's an efficient scorer and I think most understand that this was just an anomaly or an off-night, but he played horrible.

I don't know if the teammates that Harden has compared to LeBron is night and day, like Flashbolt said. I mean, we're talking about guys like Capela, Tucker, Ariza, Mbah A Moute, etc. I think it's more the system that has been developed over the years. I don't think a guy like Tucker or Mbah a Moute would really be an upgrade on paper for the Cavs. They are playing the best that they ever have and it's because of the system that they're in. The team is just built better. Capela has made himself into a big time player, but again, it's completely based off of the pick and roll with Harden. Guys like Ariza, Gordon and Anderson are established players, but were never really considered great players or anything. All three really just have a role or two to play, and they play them well. Chris Paul is obviously a top player, but the Rockets also put up a very strong season last year without him.

But yeah, for sure the Rockets have a far better team as a whole surrounding Harden than the Cavs do. But outside of Paul, the rest of the guys are role players who have been playing their role tremendously. The fact that Gerald Green is playing well for them tells me that. I still think that if he has any sort of a major role in the Conference Finals, there is no way the Rockets can beat the Warriors. He's just not someone that is good enough to be getting these minutes.

Driven
04-19-2018, 09:46 AM
"According to basketball-reference.com's database, there have now been 16 players since 1964 to make two or fewer field goals with at least 15 attempts in an NBA playoff game. Harden is the only one to do so in a victory."

Last one to do so with 18 attempts was LeBron James in 2008.

I think, as a Rockets fan, this game was a perfect follow up to Game 1. Harden played great in Game 1, and hardly anyone else showed up in that game and they still won. Game 2, it was the opposite and they won easily. Gives their fans confidence that they can win multiple ways, and even on off-nights.

IKnowHoops
04-19-2018, 11:48 AM
No, but the Rockets are way, way better than Cleveland. So, that doesn't really tell us anything. That's why I always love this argument. It only makes sense if these teams were on equal footing when both play the same. They're not, at all.

Lol, valiant effort

IKnowHoops
04-19-2018, 11:54 AM
"According to basketball-reference.com's database, there have now been 16 players since 1964 to make two or fewer field goals with at least 15 attempts in an NBA playoff game. Harden is the only one to do so in a victory."

Last one to do so with 18 attempts was LeBron James in 2008.

I think, as a Rockets fan, this game was a perfect follow up to Game 1. Harden played great in Game 1, and hardly anyone else showed up in that game and they still won. Game 2, it was the opposite and they won easily. Gives their fans confidence that they can win multiple ways, and even on off-nights.

Yeah, as a rockets fan, I donít know how you could feel more comfortable.

valade16
04-19-2018, 12:24 PM
You don't get it. The Rockets are WAY BETTER than the Cavs. If they play in the Finals the Rockets will absolutely murder them. IE, if Harden WAS on tonight (like he is 95% of the time), they would have won that game by 40 instead of just 20. The Cavs would have lost? Great. Lebron makes a meh team pretty good. Harden makes a very good team All Time Great.

It is bizarre that the narrative for why Harden can't win MVP is because his supporting cast is so good when historically that is exactly why people have won MVP. Literally one of the stereotypes for an MVP winner is "best player on the best team".

hallzi43
04-19-2018, 12:39 PM
Side note - I think I read that KAT only had two games in the regular season where he scored single digits. He's had two this series so far. Don't quite know what to make of that.

Capella is playing him tough down low and he doesn't have enough time to get in a rhythm out in space due to the Rockets ability to score in quick spurts. You can tell he isn't all that comfortable with all the contact he is taking down low which is why he resorts to step back jumpers instead of taking it hard at the rim and forcing Capella to foul him.

Chronz
04-19-2018, 01:13 PM
I just dont understand why the first time in the post season means so much... These guys play these teams all year... these series arent 1 and done... there is no excuse for these top guys to play like **** and the excuse being its their first game or 2nd game.. Towns is a monster offensively he just needs to be that same guy he was all year.... The only difference is they have butler and that could be hindering towns a bit.

What i mean by this is towns should always be the first option but butler is now the first option and wiggins seems like he refuses to be the 3rd option so those 2 guys are holding the ball way to much and its limiting the offense and towns.

Because they've never played these teams when they actually gave a ****. It's not his teammates it's either him or thibs cuz he's had chances, he is just choosing to play on the perimeter, towns and bron make me really respect old school bangers. It's a shorter career but dominating down low is special really wish those 2 would do that more

mngopher35
04-19-2018, 01:19 PM
Towns hasn't played well at all and I even think he let his excitement get to him a bit early on. I also feel like this is just further exposing thibs as many wolves fans have complained all year.

He guts put on the perimeter to space so that Teague/Wiggins/butler have space to work. This is 100% obvious when you watch a pg get out on towns and whoever has the ball goes 1v1 on the big instead of attacking the obvious mismatch. He loves letting scorers attack on the wing even at the expense of winning games (see last season). It's really unfortunate because he won't be fired with us making the playoffs and I just don't think he is a good coach.

JAZZNC
04-19-2018, 01:25 PM
Harden puts up a monster performance, carrying his team to a tight Game 1 victory? Silence. Harden has a tough shooting night in a Rockets blowout? "Harden's team is carrying him." "Another choke job."

I'm still on vacation in Europe. Just wanted to drop in to recognize that classic anti-Harden hypocrisy I've seen the last few pages.

He had a phenomenal game 1 and absolutely carried the team to a victory. He was spectacular. Then he promptly **** his pants as he often does in the playoffs. I know you're a giant homer (as most of us are) but you have to acknowledge that he has some absolutely terrible games in the playoffs every year. It's not an outlier for him to have a game like this. And of course people are gonna say he **** his pants cause thats exactly what he did

mngopher35
04-19-2018, 01:31 PM
You don't get it. The Rockets are WAY BETTER than the Cavs. If they play in the Finals the Rockets will absolutely murder them. IE, if Harden WAS on tonight (like he is 95% of the time), they would have won that game by 40 instead of just 20. The Cavs would have lost? Great. Lebron makes a meh team pretty good. Harden makes a very good team All Time Great.

It is bizarre that the narrative for why Harden can't win MVP is because his supporting cast is so good when historically that is exactly why people have won MVP. Literally one of the stereotypes for an MVP winner is "best player on the best team".

I think it's great if we get away from that dumb criteria/stereotype and start giving it to best individual players/performers each year even if they aren't surrounded by extreme talent to get the top seed. Top team? Ok is it solely on that one guy or obviously talented and helping to an extent. If obviously talented maybe find some other legitimate reasons to support harden (not the entire rockets) as MVP.

Harden has a great argument to win either way so let's get away from that top teams argument IMO. I much prefer we argue MVP merit based on how the individual performed.

Note: I should add that just having talent shouldn't disqualify either as I don't think you were getting to that S your main reason or anything either just pointing out how it has been done in the past. I just rather not use or see the old "well in the past they have" type stuff for top seeds as meaningful. Base it off the actual context of the season and the level the individual impacted that ranking.

Vee-Rex
04-19-2018, 02:16 PM
Not talking about MVP stuff here:

A superstar just can't go 2/18 in a playoff game, man. That's just HORRID. I get it, bad games happen, but Harden has got to find a way to continue with his amazing games and make sure his bad games aren't that horrid. He's a bonafide superstar and clearcut MVP. The next step for him is to find a way to not shoot that badly in some games, especially playoff games. Nothing wrong with needing some improvement in certain areas of your game - even LeBron could improve in some areas.

As I predicted before the season started - CP3 will step it up during Harden's bad shooting games, and vice versa. They work so good together. However, they won't stand a chance in beating a fully healthy Golden State in the playoffs with games like last night's. Both Harden and CP3 must play well.

valade16
04-19-2018, 02:37 PM
I think it's great if we get away from that dumb criteria/stereotype and start giving it to best individual players/performers each year even if they aren't surrounded by extreme talent to get the top seed. Top team? Ok is it solely on that one guy or obviously talented and helping to an extent. If obviously talented maybe find some other legitimate reasons to support harden (not the entire rockets) as MVP.

Harden has a great argument to win either way so let's get away from that top teams argument IMO. I much prefer we argue MVP merit based on how the individual performed.

Note: I should add that just having talent shouldn't disqualify either as I don't think you were getting to that S your main reason or anything either just pointing out how it has been done in the past. I just rather not use or see the old "well in the past they have" type stuff for top seeds as meaningful. Base it off the actual context of the season and the level the individual impacted that ranking.

I agree with everything you said, though I think you came into this conversation a little late (as it's somewhat a carry over from a different thread). My argument (and I don't think most people's argument) was not that Harden deserves MVP because his team did so well. It was the argument from those saying Harden shouldn't win MVP that he shouldn't win it because his team is too good. That seems like a ridiculous argument to me.

hallzi43
04-19-2018, 02:41 PM
Towns hasn't played well at all and I even think he let his excitement get to him a bit early on. I also feel like this is just further exposing thibs as many wolves fans have complained all year.

He guts put on the perimeter to space so that Teague/Wiggins/butler have space to work. This is 100% obvious when you watch a pg get out on towns and whoever has the ball goes 1v1 on the big instead of attacking the obvious mismatch. He loves letting scorers attack on the wing even at the expense of winning games (see last season). It's really unfortunate because he won't be fired with us making the playoffs and I just don't think he is a good coach.

The problem however though is that when those guys don't take it to the hoop you are left with zero second chance opportunities and that leads to an easy board for the Rockets to start their transition and putting the Wolves on their heels back on defense. The only way the Wolves are going to crawl back in this series is if they keep taking it to the hole and force guys Rocket players into foul trouble. They can't fully rely on Towns to be a threat with a 20+ft jumper. The Rockets are much better shooters on a nightly basis.

rhino17
04-19-2018, 02:48 PM
Again, Harden had a horrific shooting game, he excelled everywhere else on the court including the defensive end last night.

mightybosstone
04-19-2018, 02:49 PM
He had a phenomenal game 1 and absolutely carried the team to a victory. He was spectacular. Then he promptly **** his pants as he often does in the playoffs. I know you're a giant homer (as most of us are) but you have to acknowledge that he has some absolutely terrible games in the playoffs every year. It's not an outlier for him to have a game like this. And of course people are gonna say he **** his pants cause thats exactly what he did
I've acknowledged Harden's playoff struggles on many occasions on PSD. But I hardly think we can compare those awful elimination games against Golden State and San Antonio with a poor shooting night in Game 2 of the first round against an inferior opponent they were dominating by the second quarter.

That's not "a choke job." That's a crappy shooting night. Lots of guys have those. Kobe had them all the freaking time in the playoffs. That doesn't remotely mean he "**** his pants" as you so eloquently put it. So let's not compare the two.

mightybosstone
04-19-2018, 02:57 PM
Not talking about MVP stuff here:

A superstar just can't go 2/18 in a playoff game, man. That's just HORRID. I get it, bad games happen, but Harden has got to find a way to continue with his amazing games and make sure his bad games aren't that horrid. He's a bonafide superstar and clearcut MVP. The next step for him is to find a way to not shoot that badly in some games, especially playoff games. Nothing wrong with needing some improvement in certain areas of your game - even LeBron could improve in some areas.

As I predicted before the season started - CP3 will step it up during Harden's bad shooting games, and vice versa. They work so good together. However, they won't stand a chance in beating a fully healthy Golden State in the playoffs with games like last night's. Both Harden and CP3 must play well.
He didn't shoot it well (putting it lightly). But the dude still put up 12/7/4/3/3, and the team had a positive +- when he was on the floor.

Harden has that Lebron thing where he can still absolutely impact the game when he's not shooting the ball well. But nobody talks about that because ripping on a guy for going 2/18 is a hell of a lot easier.

mngopher35
04-19-2018, 03:07 PM
I think it's great if we get away from that dumb criteria/stereotype and start giving it to best individual players/performers each year even if they aren't surrounded by extreme talent to get the top seed. Top team? Ok is it solely on that one guy or obviously talented and helping to an extent. If obviously talented maybe find some other legitimate reasons to support harden (not the entire rockets) as MVP.

Harden has a great argument to win either way so let's get away from that top teams argument IMO. I much prefer we argue MVP merit based on how the individual performed.

Note: I should add that just having talent shouldn't disqualify either as I don't think you were getting to that S your main reason or anything either just pointing out how it has been done in the past. I just rather not use or see the old "well in the past they have" type stuff for top seeds as meaningful. Base it off the actual context of the season and the level the individual impacted that ranking.

I agree with everything you said, though I think you came into this conversation a little late (as it's somewhat a carry over from a different thread). My argument (and I don't think most people's argument) was not that Harden deserves MVP because his team did so well. It was the argument from those saying Harden shouldn't win MVP that he shouldn't win it because his team is too good. That seems like a ridiculous argument to me.

Ya I definitely might have if its a carry over but that almost always is in response to someone using records/seedings. It's the obvious counter to using the team accomplishment to prop the individual normally so I just kinda assumed there. I am just tired of that lame criteria lol and jumped in. Westy winning last year might be a sign it's ending.

Having talent definitely doesn't mean you are out of the race and alone shouldn't be a big swing just like being a 1 seed shouldn't have major effects either (without extra context in both cases).

mngopher35
04-19-2018, 03:17 PM
The problem however though is that when those guys don't take it to the hoop you are left with zero second chance opportunities and that leads to an easy board for the Rockets to start their transition and putting the Wolves on their heels back on defense. The only way the Wolves are going to crawl back in this series is if they keep taking it to the hole and force guys Rocket players into foul trouble. They can't fully rely on Towns to be a threat with a 20+ft jumper. The Rockets are much better shooters on a nightly basis.

Oh I fully agree and have spoken about the flaws in Thibs gameplans throughout the year and it is just an extension of his poor coaching from last season.

At no point did I think we really had a chance in this series, I had it ending in 5 just because I think we steal 1 home game since it's been so long. I just don't think Thibs is a good coach, we are pretty young without Butler at his best, and it is a poor matchup with our defensive issues as well.

Vee-Rex
04-19-2018, 03:40 PM
He didn't shoot it well (putting it lightly). But the dude still put up 12/7/4/3/3, and the team had a positive +- when he was on the floor.

Harden has that Lebron thing where he can still absolutely impact the game when he's not shooting the ball well. But nobody talks about that because ripping on a guy for going 2/18 is a hell of a lot easier.

Which is praiseworthy. He just have to MORE CONSISTENTLY shoot well while impacting the game in other ways (during the playoffs anyway).

Chronz
04-19-2018, 03:49 PM
Not talking about MVP stuff here:

A superstar just can't go 2/18 in a playoff game, man. That's just HORRID. I get it, bad games happen, but Harden has got to find a way to continue with his amazing games and make sure his bad games aren't that horrid. He's a bonafide superstar and clearcut MVP. The next step for him is to find a way to not shoot that badly in some games, especially playoff games. Nothing wrong with needing some improvement in certain areas of your game - even LeBron could improve in some areas.

As I predicted before the season started - CP3 will step it up during Harden's bad shooting games, and vice versa. They work so good together. However, they won't stand a chance in beating a fully healthy Golden State in the playoffs with games like last night's. Both Harden and CP3 must play well.
I see it differently. When a star goes bonkers, I usually expect regression. It's just harden's game varies so wildly

Bruno
04-19-2018, 04:56 PM
as a fan I was pretty disappointed by yesterdays benching. it's bad enough that good players take nights off during the regular season, or that ten teams this year were tanking in some capacity; almost half the games in the last month and a half of the season were unwatchable or irrelevant. I just want to watch some quality basketball.

Weve all been watching Thibs for years. couldnt appreciate the irony of it. also questioning if the method will resonate with his millennial roster. if they do any better in game three it'll be because theyre at home, not because the starters learned a lesson. i think keeping them out there and letting them lose by 40 would have been a more meaningful way to send a message.

JAZZNC
04-19-2018, 10:03 PM
I've acknowledged Harden's playoff struggles on many occasions on PSD. But I hardly think we can compare those awful elimination games against Golden State and San Antonio with a poor shooting night in Game 2 of the first round against an inferior opponent they were dominating by the second quarter.

That's not "a choke job." That's a crappy shooting night. Lots of guys have those. Kobe had them all the freaking time in the playoffs. That doesn't remotely mean he "**** his pants" as you so eloquently put it. So let's not compare the two.

11% on almost 20 FGA=******** your pants. When you're the MVP and you have a performance like that in the playoffs you're gonna get huge criticism and deservedly so. He deserved all the praise you could give him for game 1 and he deserves to be tore apart for that travesty of a game yesterday. He needs (and I expect) a big time bounce back game in Game 3. He's not gonna shake the choker label he has earned over the years with games like that.

FlashBolt
04-19-2018, 10:43 PM
Tracy Mac: I wish I could shoot 2-18 and win by 20 points.



What a luxury to have... knowing you can shoot 2-18 but you have a guy like CP3 and teammates who can get the win still and dominate..

mightybosstone
04-20-2018, 12:34 AM
Tracy Mac: I wish I could shoot 2-18 and win by 20 points.



What a luxury to have... knowing you can shoot 2-18 but you have a guy like CP3 and teammates who can get the win still and dominate..
How'd that work out for him in Game 1, though? I'm just saying, just because his teammates stepped up in Game 2 hardly negates his significance to the team, which should have been pretty obvious in Game 1.

mightybosstone
04-20-2018, 12:38 AM
11% on almost 20 FGA=******** your pants. When you're the MVP and you have a performance like that in the playoffs you're gonna get huge criticism and deservedly so. He deserved all the praise you could give him for game 1 and he deserves to be tore apart for that travesty of a game yesterday. He needs (and I expect) a big time bounce back game in Game 3. He's not gonna shake the choker label he has earned over the years with games like that.

You can qualify it and call it whatever you want. But nobody gives a **** about a Game 2 blowout against the Wolves. No one will remember that game. Talk to me again if he does it in a more meaningful moment.

Also, Iove how there's more talk in this thread about Harden's Game 2, when Towns has completely sucked through two games. Shouldn't that be the bigger story here? Or is it just more fun for people to **** on Harden every time he plays poorly?

FlashBolt
04-20-2018, 01:03 AM
How'd that work out for him in Game 1, though? I'm just saying, just because his teammates stepped up in Game 2 hardly negates his significance to the team, which should have been pretty obvious in Game 1.

that's moot. They won so Harden won't get bashed as much as he should. But most superstars would NEVER win a game playing like that. You know it's the truth so you can defend it all you want. 2-18 is bad no matter how you split it. And on any other team, he loses. if t-mac is saying it, what makes you think others aren't? T-mac isn't a hater and has said Harden was MVP.

mightybosstone
04-20-2018, 06:24 AM
that's moot. They won so Harden won't get bashed as much as he should. But most superstars would NEVER win a game playing like that. You know it's the truth so you can defend it all you want. 2-18 is bad no matter how you split it. And on any other team, he loses. if t-mac is saying it, what makes you think others aren't? T-mac isn't a hater and has said Harden was MVP.
Wouldn't know what T-Mac is or isn't saying. I've been in between European countries all morning, and frankly I don't care. If I had time, I would go through every bad playoff game Kobe or Lebron had to prove this point. Unfortunately I do not. And by the time I get back to the states, it will be irrelevant because Harden will play fine in Game 3 and the media cycle on this non-story will be over.

Enjoy your moment to crucify Harden. There will inevitably be others this postseason, because apparently anytime the guy has a bad playoff game, it's worth multiple pages of comments stating so...

Driven
04-20-2018, 08:35 AM
Can we get over this Harden ****? Most of the posters here have legitimate gripes, concerns or arguments with Harden. A couple may not. But at the end of the day they are arguing about whether or not an MVP candidate, a guy who most consider a top 5-7 player in the world, should be MVP or not. It's not the end of the world.

He also played like **** the other day and deserves flack for doing so. Just like Chris Paul deserves flack for playing like **** in Game 1.

At the end of the day, it doesn't even matter as a Rockets fan. it doesn't change anything. They still won 65 games this year, and if they are a great team, they are a great team regardless of people's opinions of Harden. One of the arguments against the Rockets beating the Warriors this year is that they have two players that need to play great all of the time. Wouldn't you rather have it where Harden or Paul plays like **** occasionally and the rest of the team is great enough to pull out a blowout win?

Scoots
04-21-2018, 07:24 PM
Come on Wolves ... win at least one.

Driven
04-21-2018, 09:26 PM
Minnesotaís playing a fantastic game through 3


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Bostonjorge
04-21-2018, 09:28 PM
No way this Minnesota team was going to be dominated. Wiggins still needs take his game to the next level if they want to win this series. Towns starting to look good to. Rockets donít have anyone who can guard him.

We might have ourselves a series here.

c.c.
04-21-2018, 09:29 PM
Tíwolves looking nice right now but I gotta feeling some 3ís about to start falling for the Rockets.

Driven
04-21-2018, 09:31 PM
Tíwolves looking nice right now but I gotta feeling some 3ís about to start falling for the Rockets.

The problem isnít that the Rockets arenít hitting shots, itís that they are taking very bad and out of control shots


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c.c.
04-21-2018, 09:32 PM
Dumb foul CP3, Butler hit you with the Harden move

Driven
04-21-2018, 09:33 PM
Hardens also had a pretty bad game again


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goingfor28
04-21-2018, 09:34 PM
Nice to see D Rose having a solid game off the bench

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Driven
04-21-2018, 09:35 PM
Rockets need Mbah a Moute back badly. Anderson has shot very well today though


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c.c.
04-21-2018, 09:39 PM
The problem isnít that the Rockets arenít hitting shots, itís that they are taking very bad and out of control shots


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Hitting 3ís fire us up

tredigs
04-21-2018, 09:39 PM
Harden loses the ball in his own hands and complains with his hands up while the Wolves run their break. That's why you lose Harden! STFU and play.

c.c.
04-21-2018, 09:40 PM
Nice to see D Rose having a solid game off the bench

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Nice? More like rare lol

Driven
04-21-2018, 09:44 PM
Hitting 3ís fire us up

The Rockets have been hitting their threes at a decent rate tonight.

The rockets have just played very badly today, and the twolves played well. This has got to be one of the most dominating losses the rockets have had all year.

Outside of Anderson and Paul, neither who have played great, no one has played well.


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tredigs
04-21-2018, 09:50 PM
Scratch everything I said about the Rockets testing the Warriors. This team is built with players willing and ready to fold. Losers, one might say. Never seen so much talent combined with so much mental weakness.

goingfor28
04-21-2018, 09:54 PM
Nice? More like rare lolFor sure. He was so much fun to watch in his Bulls days though so I'm glad to see him having a good game and actually contrubing something positive on the floor for once.

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goingfor28
04-21-2018, 09:55 PM
Scratch everything I said about the Rockets testing the Warriors. This team is built with players willing and ready to fold. Losers, one might say. Never seen so much talent combined with so much mental weakness.

You just described Kevin Durant perfectly

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04-21-2018, 09:56 PM
TWolves are just hitting everything


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tredigs
04-21-2018, 09:58 PM
You just described Kevin Durant perfectly

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NBA Finals MVP KD who turned Bron into a tired horse? No, I don't think I did.

Scoots
04-21-2018, 10:16 PM
Scratch everything I said about the Rockets testing the Warriors. This team is built with players willing and ready to fold. Losers, one might say. Never seen so much talent combined with so much mental weakness.

Don't troll users please.

mngopher35
04-21-2018, 10:21 PM
Wiggins has played really well IMO. Towns really hasn't stepped up like he should but it's partially on thibs as well.

Our defense still breaks down at times but it is better than most of the season right now. A team like the rockets can usually hurt us more and break us down for easy scores.

tredigs
04-21-2018, 10:34 PM
Don't troll users please.

Who is trolling? Do you need series cited for reference big guy?

goingfor28
04-21-2018, 10:35 PM
NBA Finals MVP KD who turned Bron into a tired horse? No, I don't think I did.Mentally weak. Loser. Quitter. Yup.

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tredigs
04-21-2018, 10:38 PM
Mentally weak. Loser. Quitter. Yup.

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We're talking about incumbent Finals MVP Kevin Durant. Not the subtext to your biography.

Scoots
04-21-2018, 10:51 PM
Who is trolling? Do you need series cited for reference big guy?

You are and you know you are.

tredigs
04-21-2018, 10:54 PM
You are and you know you are.

It's called talking having fun and talking ****. And, there is more than enough validity behind the statement. It's the playoffs. Stfu.

goingfor28
04-21-2018, 10:54 PM
We're talking about incumbent Finals MVP Kevin Durant. Not the subtext to your biography.Yes. The vagina who quit on his team so he could play 2nd fiddle on the team who broke the wins record. Mental midget.

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tredigs
04-21-2018, 10:57 PM
Yes. The vagina who quit on his team so he could play 2nd fiddle on the team who broke the wins record. Mental midget.

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How's that team doing without him? In shape for two 1st round exits. Maybe one 2nd round exit if they're lucky. I think he made the quality decision to remove himself from a me-first player to join a team of winners. And, again, won FMVP. Moving on from you though -- >

JordansBulls
04-21-2018, 11:17 PM
Harden is the 2nd best player in the league behind the reigning finals mvp winner

tredigs
04-21-2018, 11:27 PM
Harden is the 2nd best player in the league behind the reigning finals mvp winner

He's up there. I'd put him 3rd. Bron, Curry, Harden, KD, AD. Though Bron's demand to control his team and it's picks/signings combined with his complete ineptness to control a team might drop him out of the top 5 sooner than later. Curry is clearly more important to the Warriors than KD and all the numbers back it up in droves so that one is not really a question, but KD > Harden is a good debate. AD is climbing the ranks though.

Saddletramp
04-21-2018, 11:45 PM
You just described Kevin Durant perfectly

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Exactly. But you know what happens when you troll a troll.


This site is getting waaaaay too buggy. These three sentences took 3 minutes to type and "sentences" autocorrected to crab Dont know whats worse, tre's incesstant trolling or PSD's technology.

tredigs
04-21-2018, 11:52 PM
Exactly. But you know what happens when you troll a troll.


This site is getting waaaaay too buggy. These three sentences took 3 minutes to type and "sentences" autocorrected to crab Dont know whats worse, tre's incesstant trolling or PSD's technology.

To be fair, you're a massive, massive troll. You're just not quite as smart as some of them. And not in my league. Sorry about your ****** PC, and the Rockets looking like their old selves tonight.

ewing
04-21-2018, 11:54 PM
To be fair, you're a massive, massive troll. You're just not quite as smart as some of them. And not in my league. Sorry about your ****** PC, and the Rockets looking like their old selves tonight.

Same league, your like a 6. Saddletramp is a like 4.

tredigs
04-21-2018, 11:56 PM
Same league, your like a 6. Saddletramp is a like 4.

This is worse than your evaluation of Rubio.

Saddletramp
04-22-2018, 12:17 AM
It's my phone, and no other website ****s up but this one. Hell, the whole site was down yesterday. Still think that the tech around here is the less ****** of the two.

mightybosstone
04-22-2018, 12:55 AM
Scratch everything I said about the Rockets testing the Warriors. This team is built with players willing and ready to fold. Losers, one might say. Never seen so much talent combined with so much mental weakness.

Lol. Really? After one loss? You've been praising this Rockets team all season, and they lose one game to an insanely talented team on the road and it's "jk... same old Rockets."

Granted, I haven't been able to catch a minute of these games, but I'm not worried about this series. Minnesota is an unusually talented 8 seed. Hell, if Butler doesn't go down late in the season. They're a 3 or 4 seed with 50+ wins.

And if they were ever going to win a game, it was going to be Game 3. But worry not. A gentlemen's sweep is coming.

IKnowHoops
04-22-2018, 01:02 AM
I missed some good ish talkin

tredigs
04-22-2018, 01:09 AM
Lol. Really? After one loss? You've been praising this Rockets team all season, and they lose one game to an insanely talented team on the road and it's "jk... same old Rockets."

Granted, I haven't been able to catch a minute of these games, but I'm not worried about this series. Minnesota is an unusually talented 8 seed. Hell, if Butler doesn't go down late in the season. They're a 3 or 4 seed with 50+ wins.

And if they were ever going to win a game, it was going to be Game 3. But worry not. A gentlemen's sweep is coming.

Full disclosure is that I had a big 1st half ML bet on them and Capela botching both his FT's cost me a grip. So, I had some fun talking **** at their expense. It is interesting though. With how dominant they have been, you do forget that this is truly a team with some guys who can really turtle in big situations. It's one of the main reasons why I think the Warriors should still take care of them in 6 (maybe 7... but then it gets hairy) without HCA despite everything trending the Rockets direction.

Oefarmy2005
04-23-2018, 12:59 PM
I can't stop laughing at the minute by minute reactions on this thread. "Rox are the best team in the league" and after the loss "Rox are can't hold a candle to GS", all by the same poster(nobody specific, just speaking in general). Relax Rockets fans your team will win this in 5, winning the next two games by double digits.

IKnowHoops
04-23-2018, 01:12 PM
I can't stop laughing at the minute by minute reactions on this thread. "Rox are the best team in the league" and after the loss "Rox are can't hold a candle to GS", all by the same poster(nobody specific, just speaking in general). Relax Rockets fans your team will win this in 5, winning the next two games by double digits.

No

MN has the best fans!!!

Oefarmy2005
04-23-2018, 05:46 PM
No

MN has the best fans!!!

No we don't, cause you are one of them...

Vee-Rex
04-23-2018, 05:52 PM
I agree Minny has the best fans. They're usually pretty rational and level-headed.

Heediot
04-23-2018, 05:56 PM
I agree Minny has the best fans. They're usually pretty rational and level-headed.

How do they feel about Rubio now though?

mngopher35
04-23-2018, 05:58 PM
Most still love him pretty much

hallzi43
04-23-2018, 07:42 PM
How do they feel about Rubio now though?

A much better fit for Jazz.

Htownballa1622
04-23-2018, 08:09 PM
This game 4 should be a statement game for rox but I bet they eek out a win and blowout a home game 5.

JAZZNC
04-23-2018, 08:20 PM
Playoff Harden in full effect to start the game.

More-Than-Most
04-23-2018, 08:26 PM
Playoff Harden in full effect to start the game.

he will get his 30 from the line on some of the worst calls ever with his bad shooting and poor turnovers... This team will get spanked by the warriors even without curry. I said it from day 1.

JAZZNC
04-23-2018, 08:31 PM
Can't understand how the Wolves aren't up big right now?

WaDe03
04-23-2018, 08:39 PM
Can't understand how the Wolves aren't up big right now?

Trevor Ariza

goingfor28
04-23-2018, 08:48 PM
Good start for Harden

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More-Than-Most
04-23-2018, 09:02 PM
the moment you realize... rose is out playing Harden and the year is 2018

tredigs
04-23-2018, 09:27 PM
Caught the Rox -3.5 when they were down 5 in the first half. I think they're gonna clean this game by 8+.

Htownballa1622
04-23-2018, 09:28 PM
Need some tissues in here...

SportsStar
04-23-2018, 09:30 PM
The foul calls in this game are ridiculous. Almost Lebron level crazy.

SportsStar
04-23-2018, 09:35 PM
This game is trash hope some MLB is on

Htownballa1622
04-23-2018, 09:36 PM
Whurr duh haterz att?

tredigs
04-23-2018, 09:37 PM
Annnnd blowout. That's the series.

More-Than-Most
04-23-2018, 09:40 PM
Need some tissues in here...

it only took him 3 quarters to get it going while his team did the heavy lifting and kept him in it... How many superstars besides KD wishes they had that luxury?

Htownballa1622
04-23-2018, 09:43 PM
it only took him 3 quarters to get it going while his team did the heavy lifting and kept him in it... How many superstars besides KD wishes they had that luxury?

That's what can happen when u have a great team.

Maybe in a couple years yall will have that in Philly.

Beard! 34 pts. 22 in quarter.

More-Than-Most
04-23-2018, 09:44 PM
I really hate harden.

IKnowHoops
04-23-2018, 09:46 PM
That's what can happen when u have a great team.

Maybe in a couple years yall will have that in Philly.

Beard! 34 pts. 22 in quarter.

Heíll be in Philly next season.

Htownballa1622
04-23-2018, 09:51 PM
I really hate harden.

:)