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kdspurman
02-23-2018, 05:11 PM
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Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 06:15 PM
Last night was a crappy night for all of us. That's alright, things can get better tonight.

I'm calling it: one of the Hawks, Suns, or Mavericks are winning tonight. If not, then I won't post on this forum again until Monday.

##self-imposed ban

tredigs
02-23-2018, 06:35 PM
Last night was a crappy night for all of us. That's alright, things can get better tonight.

I'm calling it: one of the Hawks, Suns, or Mavericks are winning tonight. If not, then I won't post on this forum again until Monday.

##self-imposed ban

Not for Steph and then Dubs : ]

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 07:36 PM
Not for Steph and then Dubs : ]

I caught a small part of that game. Steph looked like he was sending a message to the league. :o

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 08:59 PM
That dribbbbbble by Gianni.. Ma God. Ain't no ons stopping hkm. So hood.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 08:59 PM
Zomg Giannis.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 09:00 PM
Prunty for COTY

tredigs
02-23-2018, 09:00 PM
I caught a small part of that game. Steph looked like he was sending a message to the league. :o

He/they slowed down the last week or two going into the break. Hoping that gets 'em back into form.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 09:04 PM
So own get the guy on the raptotes a body bag after Jabari got done with him. Sit down....

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 09:17 PM
Giannis wirh a wet fade away.!!!!!!!!!!!! Zomg.. Smash. Giannis! Bawwwwwwwh

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 09:18 PM
Just saw Gasol swing his fist at the air and kick at the ball at a bad call.

If that was Cousins he would've been suspended for that.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 09:31 PM
Bucks announcers "for the life of me. I will never understand how a foreign born player gets a textmocal foul. Just speak your own language and they will never know"

And Giannis just smasheddsd!

tredigs
02-23-2018, 09:40 PM
Giannis showing his youth and lower bbiq there. Gets the ball with 3 seconds to go for the open corner 3 and pump fakes (to take the contested deep 2) only to draw the shot clock violation. He'll get there.

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 09:43 PM
Too many turnovers from the Cavs in the first quarter.

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 09:46 PM
refs wait until they see Clarkson bleeding badly from the eye and going to the locker room before reviewing.

They're trash.

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 09:51 PM
Uggggh that was a clear charge.

tredigs
02-23-2018, 09:54 PM
Nance Jr. outletting to Korver there on the break where Korver knows he is never outletted there is why the Cavs are not scary. It takes a long time to know how teammates flow. Definitely takes dozens of practices plus at least 82 games... just saying.

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 09:57 PM
Chalmers sucks so bad my god

Scoots
02-23-2018, 09:57 PM
I suspect Giannis94 is already feeling his cups as they say.

Go Wolves!

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 10:09 PM
This is a good game. Bad reffing (both sides), but a good game.

Memphis is playing so hard.

tredigs
02-23-2018, 10:09 PM
Damn Raps give Giannis 8 feet of room from 23ft out and he doesn't bite. Ancillary to my other post, he at least knows his limits.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 10:10 PM
I suspect Giannis94 is already feeling his cups as they say.

Go Wolves!
Yessir. It's my culture. It's what I believe in. It's my process. I just hwve to trust it. And hope that I end with good rsuslts at the end of the night


If you wanra any advice :

I mix in a 6 Oz mixing cup(so that you van keep slamming quicksand not look down and keeps you refueling) of 99+ proof damn good tasting drinks. mix with 75% alcohol and 25% rockstar recovery. I normally slam 8-10 in a given night when drinking. And you know what? I had my first hangover in in 6 years last weekend. 36 hour hangover.

So obviously I'm doing something right. And posting on psd is probably not that something. I apologize.. Hopefully I dont say nethijg perma worthy.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 10:13 PM
Damn Raps give Giannis 8 feet of room from 23ft out and he doesn't bite. Ancillary to my other post, he at least knows his limits.

He has an amazing fade away.. Showcased it earlier

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 10:24 PM
Guuuyyyyys.remenber.. We're doing this without the raining ROTY!

ChiTownPacerFan
02-23-2018, 10:27 PM
Clippers 19, Suns 0.

That would be a bad start if this were a football game.

tredigs
02-23-2018, 10:29 PM
Teague is not a winning player. They would be better off with Rubio. Truly.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 10:30 PM
Yes and? Lol Giannis has a lot of +++attributes.

If he could hit a straight up jimpr like his fade away; my lawd.. Deer Jeezjs. Something the mba never seen before.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 10:30 PM
Jterry still got it. Ily

tredigs
02-23-2018, 10:30 PM
He has an amazing fade away.. Showcased it earlier

Yes and? Lol Giannis has a lot of +++attributes.

tp13baby
02-23-2018, 10:31 PM
Clippers 19, Suns 0.

That would be a bad start if this were a football game.

Watching the Suns is just horrid. Team lacks maturity and leadership beyond years. Booker is a punk *** cry baby. Jackson likes to act like a tough mf that is all about himself. Chriss and Len have terrible body language most the time. Bender whines.

Just an undisciplined team with zero accountability all around. I respect Warren and that is ****ing it.

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 10:33 PM
Memphis has a bunch of stupid players. Stupid fouls.

goingfor28
02-23-2018, 10:38 PM
Phoenix Suns: 18
Tobias Harris: 16

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Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 10:39 PM
Hawks lost. We might as well chalk the Suns up as another L. But I'm not worried: Mavaliers won't let me down.

Leeeeets GO MAAAAVS!

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 10:40 PM
I might get **** from you.guus if the Bucks loose. But Jkidd got fired and our savior I'd prunty # thankful

Vee-Rex
02-23-2018, 10:43 PM
This is crazy. Refs are STUPID in this game

Scoots
02-23-2018, 10:45 PM
I say "Go Wolves" and immediately they start falling apart.

tredigs
02-23-2018, 10:46 PM
That did not look good. Butler will be out for weeks to the year.

corky831
02-23-2018, 10:51 PM
Very nice win by the Celtics, Smarts impact was felt

Cal827
02-23-2018, 10:58 PM
Jeez, I've just been in for the 4th quarter, but what a game so far between the Bucks and Raptors... JV with a buzzer beating dunk to send it to Overtime :laugh2:

tredigs
02-23-2018, 11:04 PM
That JV smash at THE ****ing BUZZER just helped me in more ways than you know. #WeTheNorth! : )

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 11:04 PM
Jeez, I've just been in for the 4th quarter, but what a game so far between the Bucks and Raptors... JV with a buzzer beating dunk to send it to Overtime :laugh2:

Just like I said in mbts sign.. Bucks and raps in ECF. Seriously. Good + Fun game. Sounds like playoff atmosphere. Wouldn't have been like tis wir kid.

tredigs
02-23-2018, 11:08 PM
Giannis is sloppy. He's getting a little lucky with these errant passes somehow not becoming turnovers right now.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 11:08 PM
Giannis is sloppy. He's getting a little lucky with these errant passes somehow not becoming turnovers right now.

He's hitting fade away aftr fade away. Bruh just listen to MTM.. He's a stst stuffwr

tredigs
02-23-2018, 11:11 PM
Thib's reminding me of Cartoon Penguin more and more every day. Love him.

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 11:12 PM
I see you @Giannis94, clutch 12 footer from the FREAK. Ball game barring a miracle. Over is good.

His fade away is ohnestly good. We'll above avg.. It's his his straight up jumper that needs improve. Off no movement. Ya Know?

tredigs
02-23-2018, 11:14 PM
I see you @Giannis94, clutch 12 footer from the FREAK. Ball game barring a miracle. Over is good.

Cal827
02-23-2018, 11:16 PM
Good game, but it's done now. Bucks outlast the Raptors 122-119 in Overtime... Giannis is clutch

Giannis94
02-23-2018, 11:17 PM
Heddsijf out ttyl

tredigs
02-23-2018, 11:22 PM
Harden padding them stats up 15 with 20 seconds to go. Come on kid. Why are him and CP3 closing the game there. Silly.

Really tough to see JB go.down. That is there season..

IKnowHoops
02-23-2018, 11:23 PM
Never thought Iíd say this, but I love Colderon. Such a smart player. No god given NBA talent yet heís out there making the best plays.

rhino17
02-23-2018, 11:23 PM
Houston is a terrible matchup for Minny, every game plays out the same way

Butler's injury looked pretty bad

rhino17
02-23-2018, 11:24 PM
Harden padding them stats up 15 with 20 seconds to go. Come on kid.

shot clock was running out. He took the 3 from about 8 feet behind the 3 point line. And he dribbled the clock out after stealing the ball back

tredigs
02-23-2018, 11:28 PM
shot clock was running out. He took the 3 from about 8 feet behind the 3 point line. And he dribbled the clock out after stealing the ball back

I know. No reason for him to be in the game. Just noting the padding.

IKnowHoops
02-23-2018, 11:32 PM
Houston is a terrible matchup for Minny, every game plays out the same way

Butler's injury looked pretty bad

Nooooooooo! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat!? I donít want to see it if itís bad.

mightybosstone
02-23-2018, 11:35 PM
Harden padding them stats up 15 with 20 seconds to go. Come on kid. Why are him and CP3 closing the game there. Silly.

Really tough to see JB go.down. That is there season..

I understand why they were in there when it was a 10-12 point lead with a 2-3 minutes to go, but after Tucker and Ariza hit those back-to-back 3-pointers, they should have been pulled. That being said, once it got to the last minute and a half, I think D'Antoni just let them ride it out and I thought it was a classy move by Harden there to pull it out and not get the wide open layup at the end.

As for Butler, that was a real bummer to see. I didn't know the guy at all, but he and I were at the same high school at the same time for a couple of years, and I've just been a fan of his pretty much his entire time in the league. I really hope it's not as bad as it looks. But even if it is, I have no doubt he'll be back early next season and playing at a high level again. The guy really is a beast as Harden said.

tp13baby
02-23-2018, 11:44 PM
Houston is a terrible matchup for Minny, every game plays out the same way

Butler's injury looked pretty bad

Houston is a terrible matchup for anyone except GS out west. They are fast, shoot the **** out of the ball and have 2 of the best decision makers in the game handling the ball.

Jokic just is a second half guy I guess. About to be 3 triple doubles in the last 10.

zn23
02-23-2018, 11:45 PM
Jokic on triple double watch again 26 - 9- 9 in 26 minutes.

Vinny642
02-23-2018, 11:53 PM
AD not getting consideration for MVP is snub disrespectful.

tredigs
02-23-2018, 11:54 PM
I understand why they were in there when it was a 10-12 point lead with a 2-3 minutes to go, but after Tucker and Ariza hit those back-to-back 3-pointers, they should have been pulled. That being said, once it got to the last minute and a half, I think D'Antoni just let them ride it out and I thought it was a classy move by Harden there to pull it out and not get the wide open layup at the end.

As for Butler, that was a real bummer to see. I didn't know the guy at all, but he and I were at the same high school at the same time for a couple of years, and I've just been a fan of his pretty much his entire time in the league. I really hope it's not as bad as it looks. But even if it is, I have no doubt he'll be back early next season and playing at a high level again. The guy really is a beast as Harden said.

I was just needling @ Harden. I watched it, it was reasonable.

But yeah the JB injury is tough. That screamed ACL/MCL to me. I hope I'm wrong. Interesting on the school factor. He always seemed like a late bloomer but I'm sure he was still a beast..

zn23
02-24-2018, 12:02 AM
That's the 3rd straight triple double for Jokic.

zn23
02-24-2018, 12:13 AM
The refs are doing their best to give this game to the Spurs, what a horribly officiated game.

zn23
02-24-2018, 12:16 AM
Tony Brothers has money on the SPurs

tp13baby
02-24-2018, 12:18 AM
This game should be investigated. Jamal Murray got a t for politely talking to the red. Malone got a t for for clapping his ****ing hands. Jokic is doing the exact same ****ing thing as Aldridge but Jokic doesnít get a call.

Spurs fans have to admit this is ****ing ridiculous. The foul shots for the spurs just this quarter is at what 16 right?

zn23
02-24-2018, 12:18 AM
This is the worst officiated game I've ever seen this season.

Tony Brothers needs to be investigated.

mightybosstone
02-24-2018, 12:27 AM
I thought you guys were overplaying the officiating hate, so I turned it one to witness that train wreck of a stretch by Brothers. That guy is a ****ing joke of a referee. Some big players there by Gary Harris, though, with Jokic fouling out. This Denver team isn't screwing around...

zn23
02-24-2018, 12:27 AM
Nuggets deserved that one after the horribly biased and officiated game by corrupt Tony Brothers.

I don't want to hear "It was bad both ways"

No, it was bad one way. 17 free throws in the 4th for the Spurs. Biggest farce I've seen.

tp13baby
02-24-2018, 12:28 AM
I respect the hell out of the Spurs but you have to suspend Tony Brothers. That brings back memories of the Lakers Kingís playoff series.

I know I am a Nuggets fan but that type of ******** should not be in the league. If that happened to any other team even if my team was the beneficiary I would be pissed. That is ********.

zn23
02-24-2018, 12:29 AM
The most impressive win the Nuggets had all year all things considered.

Lakers + Giants
02-24-2018, 12:42 AM
Lakeshow :drool:

tredigs
02-24-2018, 12:49 AM
Lebron gets 14 rebounds tonight (insane!!), but all 14 are defensive rebounds (hint: these are generally given). Steven Adams gets 11 rebounds and 6 are offensive rebounds (he's the beast.. averages 4-6 a game on the offensive end). LBJ averages 1 ORB a game. That's nothing. Take note.

ewing
02-24-2018, 12:53 AM
Thib's reminding me of Cartoon Penguin more and more every day. Love him.

solid point. Ill be thinking that every time I see him for awhile

ewing
02-24-2018, 12:59 AM
Lebron gets 14 rebounds tonight (insane!!), but all 14 are defensive rebounds (hint: these are generally given). Steven Adams gets 11 rebounds and 6 are offensive rebounds (he's the beast.. averages 4-6 a game on the offensive end). LBJ averages 1 ORB a game. That's nothing. Take note.

just like I tell you with buckets, it matters which one you get. I actually think assists is the most deceiving stat but rebounds can be BS too.

tp13baby
02-24-2018, 01:01 AM
Lebron gets 14 rebounds tonight (insane!!), but all 14 are defensive rebounds (hint: these are generally given). Steven Adams gets 11 rebounds and 6 are offensive rebounds (he's the beast.. averages 4-6 a game on the offensive end). LBJ averages 1 ORB a game. That's nothing. Take note.

Personally think Steven Adams is the most underrated center in the league. Him and Turner.

Pumped to see Milwaukee figuring **** out. They should be a EC contender and they are showing it now.

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 01:36 AM
lol mark cuban is ****ed... after this performance tonight his players looked like they gave no ***** except chucking up shots... he is gonna get roasted.

tredigs
02-24-2018, 01:46 AM
lol mark cuban is ****ed... after this performance tonight his players looked like they gave no ***** except chucking up shots... he is gonna get roasted.

Not sure what there is to roast. He openly admitted they are trying to lose, and he paid over half a million dollars to say so. This is just the reality of the talk lol.

Vee-Rex
02-24-2018, 01:50 AM
lol mark cuban is ****ed... after this performance tonight his players looked like they gave no ***** except chucking up shots... he is gonna get roasted.

Yeah they let me down. But its been that way for them all year. They'll take a contender to the brink then get smoked by a non playoff team.

It's tanking season so I guess it's expected right now. Cool thing is these teams gonna be playing each other soon so SOMEONE has to win.

Lakers + Giants
02-24-2018, 02:24 AM
Lakers 9 straight home wins. Randle with a triple double. Zubac having another good game, can we include him in our core?!?!

:dance:

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 03:20 AM
Lakers 9 straight home wins. Randle with a triple double. Zubac having another good game, can we include him in our core?!?!

:dance:

When your organization actually realizes he is a good piece for your future? Because they are the ones holding him back lol.

When he plays he performs... then they sit him for 13 games or give him 2 minutes in one game and none in the other... I wouldnt be surprised if next game he doesnt play.

mgjohnson7851
02-24-2018, 04:08 AM
Jokic is the first Center to have 3 straight triple doubles since Wilt Chamberlain. The guy is a ****ing stud.

Lakers + Giants
02-24-2018, 04:13 AM
When your organization actually realizes he is a good piece for your future? Because they are the ones holding him back lol.

When he plays he performs... then they sit him for 13 games or give him 2 minutes in one game and none in the other... I wouldnt be surprised if next game he doesnt play.

Yup. It's like when u find a $20 dollar bill in your pocket. Feelsgood. Completely forgot about it then you're so ****in greatful for what you have. Pretty sure Luke had that moment cuz its back to back games where Zu Alcindor beasts. Last year he was the pleasant surprise, he was what made me happy about our draft. Ingram a 2nd overall pick but when a 2nd round pick outperforms him at the same age, you get excited. Now, I'm hoping he's back.

Zo
Hart
BI
Randle / Kuz
Zu

:drool:

As much as I hated it, tanking was worth it.

zn23
02-24-2018, 04:39 AM
lol mark cuban is ****ed... after this performance tonight his players looked like they gave no ***** except chucking up shots... he is gonna get roasted.

How funny would it be if the league punishes him by taking his 1st round pick this year as punishment for sexual misconduct scandal hovering over the franchise?

tp13baby
02-24-2018, 11:33 AM
Yup. It's like when u find a $20 dollar bill in your pocket. Feelsgood. Completely forgot about it then you're so ****in greatful for what you have. Pretty sure Luke had that moment cuz its back to back games where Zu Alcindor beasts. Last year he was the pleasant surprise, he was what made me happy about our draft. Ingram a 2nd overall pick but when a 2nd round pick outperforms him at the same age, you get excited. Now, I'm hoping he's back.

Zo
Hart
BI
Randle / Kuz
Zu

:drool:

As much as I hated it, tanking was worth it.

Like every core there is a ton of work, but Iím glad Luke woke the **** up and realized Zubac is a stud. Last year watching every Nuggets game, for young centers I was most impressed with Zubac. Jokic himself even said he is going to be a stud.

Scoots
02-24-2018, 11:34 AM
When your organization actually realizes he is a good piece for your future? Because they are the ones holding him back lol.

When he plays he performs... then they sit him for 13 games or give him 2 minutes in one game and none in the other... I wouldnt be surprised if next game he doesnt play.

Keeping him down planning for his next contract?

tp13baby
02-24-2018, 11:34 AM
Keeping him down planning for his next contract?

Didnít work well with Willy Hernangomez though.

Tony Brothers is trending on twitter and if you are a ref trending on twitter by god you must of really ****ed up

Scoots
02-24-2018, 11:35 AM
How funny would it be if the league punishes him by taking his 1st round pick this year as punishment for sexual misconduct scandal hovering over the franchise?

Yeah, not going to happen though.

aman_13
02-24-2018, 12:44 PM
After the game, they asked DeMar if the Bucks look like a different team after the coaching change. His response:"they seem the same to me".

Giannis94
02-24-2018, 01:24 PM
After the game, they asked DeMar if the Bucks look like a different team after the coaching change. His response:"they seem the same to me".

lol. Aside from the horrendous rotations, terrible/lack-luster ball movement, and having a generally ****** human being as coach. DD ovciously isn;t the sharpest tool in the shed. Doesn't shock me he said this. Enjoy an early exit yet again, DD

tredigs
02-24-2018, 01:33 PM
just like I tell you with buckets, it matters which one you get. I actually think assists is the most deceiving stat but rebounds can be BS too.

Like with buckets, I agree. I just had to laugh at your concern for Curry in that regard and brought up that he broke the 4th quarter scoring record (Jordan's) in his first Finals... TWICE. And has always been ultra clutch in the 4th + OT. Numbers back it up.

aman_13
02-24-2018, 01:56 PM
lol. Aside from the horrendous rotations, terrible/lack-luster ball movement, and having a generally ****** human being as coach. DD ovciously isn;t the sharpest tool in the shed. Doesn't shock me he said this. Enjoy an early exit yet again, DD

But they were going to the ECF a couple pages ago. Don't take it so personally.

Giannis94
02-24-2018, 02:11 PM
But they were going to the ECF a couple pages ago. Don't take it so personally.

I think it's stupid for DD to say. It's like me saying Casey made DD and that DD is hell overrated.

tp13baby
02-24-2018, 02:17 PM
I think it's stupid for DD to say. It's like me saying Casey made DD and that DD is hell overrated.

DD is a pretty emotional dude when he gets beat. He is a ****ing competitor man.

Milwaukee is clearly a different team DD just down playing it all.

Lakers + Giants
02-24-2018, 02:48 PM
Like every core there is a ton of work, but Iím glad Luke woke the **** up and realized Zubac is a stud. Last year watching every Nuggets game, for young centers I was most impressed with Zubac. Jokic himself even said he is going to be a stud.

Yup. Last year Zu was our Kuzma. Doing better than our 2nd overall pick in Ingram. Just like how Kuzma started the conversation year >lonzo

FlashBolt
02-24-2018, 03:39 PM
A lot of these centers are skilled. Like, after DMC, Jokic, Drummond, are we really supposed to believe the rest of the centers in the past years of NBA have been utterly trash? It just takes the right amount of system and playing time for some of these guys. This small ball transition hasn't been as smooth for centers but there is a market for them.

ewing
02-24-2018, 06:18 PM
Like with buckets, I agree. I just had to laugh at your concern for Curry in that regard and brought up that he broke the 4th quarter scoring record (Jordan's) in his first Finals... TWICE. And has always been ultra clutch in the 4th + OT. Numbers back it up.

I like to get you riled. I think you were a bit early on Curry but I also think he also looks stronger now then he did two years ago and plays better in small spaces then he used to. Itíd be nice it wasnít a broken league and we got to see him in more competitive games but that isnít his fault


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More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 06:40 PM
Embiid is godly right now... vuc is so lost because he cant do anything in the paint... jojo is just dominating him.

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 07:32 PM
can we ****ing put embiid back in... 21 dopwn to 13 for ****s sake.

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 07:32 PM
good call coach... embiid back in lol

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 07:34 PM
embiid in... dunk and a block back to back... incredible... Warriors not worried about the thunder tonight... they watching this game thinking we are in trouble.

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 07:39 PM
embiid just tried to destroy the ****ing backboard lmfao... he tried to dunk from damn enar the free throw line... byombo... you my dude are a god for standing your ground and stopping that... Holy ****.

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 07:42 PM
holy **** embiid with the block and the mutumbo finger wave.

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 07:44 PM
28 points on 67 percent shooting with 13 rebounds 2 blocks and 0 turnovers... Legen-----------dary.

Sixers3Fan
02-24-2018, 07:47 PM
Embiid baby lets go. Beast mode


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Sixers3Fan
02-24-2018, 07:48 PM
No late 4th quarter collapse here. Keep it going.


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Sixers3Fan
02-24-2018, 08:08 PM
No need to keep fouling them every possession. Just play normal defense with this lead


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Saddletramp
02-24-2018, 08:19 PM
Like with buckets, I agree. I just had to laugh at your concern for Curry in that regard and brought up that he broke the 4th quarter scoring record (Jordan's) in his first Finals... TWICE. And has always been ultra clutch in the 4th + OT. Numbers back it up.

I wonder what Jordan would've done against a totally exhausted second stringer and those illegal yet not illegal screens. He'd have been licking his chops in the fourth for sure. Or not playing after going up 30 points in the first three quarters.

Sixers3Fan
02-24-2018, 08:20 PM
7 in a row. Trust the process


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More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 08:22 PM
7 in a row. Trust the process


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with embiid and simmons being taken out with 6 minutes to go..

embiid... 26 minutes... 28 points 14 rebounds 1 block 1 assist 0 turnovers. His only issue has been tunovers and that doesnt seem to be much of an issue anymore... on top of all of this he should be defensive player of the year.

Simmons- 17/7/4 with 2 turnovers and 63 percent shooting on 11 shots.

More-Than-Most
02-24-2018, 09:55 PM
Not sure who i even cheer for here... Hate the warriors and curry but I also hate overrated PG and Melo.

Chronz
02-24-2018, 10:14 PM
Not sure who i even cheer for here... Hate the warriors and curry but I also hate overrated PG and Melo.
Wtf man be fare. Those guys have been humbled abit as is.

But yeah pg has poor shot selection that can go the other way when the loffs come and he actually engages his talent.

Melo ain't overrated man, he's shat on by most publications, it's just Iso fans that love him and tbf, Melo types are better off in the 90s. I feel bad for players who's games were undermined at the last minute due to rule changes

Chronz
02-24-2018, 10:19 PM
Decent start. OKC +10 and Under 233.5. Lett''ssss gooo !~

Didn't check the lines today, been totally off in life lately but I'm assuming that's a custom bet.

tredigs
02-24-2018, 10:20 PM
Decent start. OKC +10 and Under 233.5. Lett''ssss gooo !~

Chronz
02-24-2018, 10:21 PM
Must say Rwb passes have been on ****ing point tonight.

tredigs
02-24-2018, 10:21 PM
Klay 3-10 and 0-6 from three midway through the 2nd? Chill bra

Chronz
02-24-2018, 10:23 PM
Only thing I hate is that I'm watching tv. Commercials are b's. Hoping y'all are aware of their propaganda

tredigs
02-24-2018, 10:29 PM
Only thing I hate is that I'm watching tv. Commercials are b's. Hoping y'all are aware of their propaganda

Stream it. No commercials.

Chronz
02-24-2018, 10:36 PM
I know it doesn't look like he deserved that t but dray knows what he's doing and how to best hide it. From other players that's not a t. For him, he's a psycho

mightybosstone
02-24-2018, 10:47 PM
Only thing I hate is that I'm watching tv. Commercials are b's. Hoping y'all are aware of their propaganda

Who is "they?"

tredigs
02-24-2018, 10:48 PM
PG and Westbrook 2 for 19 - YIKES.

Chronz
02-24-2018, 11:01 PM
Who is "they?"
Them

tredigs
02-24-2018, 11:21 PM
Lmfao why in the world was Melo pissed? You got the call idiot.

Sixers3Fan
02-24-2018, 11:24 PM
Lmfao why in the world was Melo pissed? You got the call idiot.

Just the dirty player Green is. Gave Melo that extra hit in the head after the foul.

tredigs
02-24-2018, 11:30 PM
Well that escalated quickly.

Sixers3Fan
02-24-2018, 11:30 PM
If so, good. Melo is a *****.

I thought you saw that "extra" hit by Green that's why I couldn't tell if you were serious or not. Melo can be a pain as well but Green is one technical away from getting a 1 game suspension.

tredigs
02-24-2018, 11:31 PM
Just the dirty player Green is. Gave Melo that extra hit in the head after the foul.

If so, good. Melo is a *****.

IKnowHoops
02-24-2018, 11:33 PM
Wiggins currently the best player on the floor. Letís give up on this 22 year old

IKnowHoops
02-24-2018, 11:35 PM
Or Teague lol.

tredigs
02-24-2018, 11:35 PM
Well damn, looks like the Warriors actually wanted to close this one out. Playoff preview for ya OKC.

tredigs
02-24-2018, 11:44 PM
I thought you saw that "extra" hit by Green that's why I couldn't tell if you were serious or not. Melo can be a pain as well but Green is one technical away from getting a 1 game suspension.

I didn't. And yes, Green will get his suspension. Though his T tonight was laughable and will obviously be rescinded upon review. So it will have to wait a bit longer.

Disappointed in how pathetic OKC is. Had them covering the double digit loss.

tredigs
02-24-2018, 11:55 PM
Game looking to go about 40 points under the over/under. Caaash it.

Cal827
02-25-2018, 12:02 AM
Right now this is the 2-7 in west... please let it happen NBA gods..

Seriously though, I can't wait for the playoffs, both sides look pretty well stacked.

Toronto-Miami
Boston-Philly
Cleveland-Milwaukee
Wizards-Pacers

Rockets-Pelicans
Warriors-Thunder
Spurs- Blazers
T'wolves-Nuggets

And lets also mention how close both conferences are from like 3 or 4-8 :laugh2:

nastynice
02-25-2018, 12:09 AM
Well damn, looks like the Warriors actually wanted to close this one out. Playoff preview for ya OKC.

You mean playoff preview for ya NBA, muhaha :smoking:

nastynice
02-25-2018, 12:10 AM
And lets also mention how close both conferences are from like 3 or 4-8 :laugh2:

Some good battles in both conferences.

Chronz
02-25-2018, 12:19 AM
Lmfao why in the world was Melo pissed? You got the call idiot.

He wanted the ejection after getting whacked in the head.

ewing
02-25-2018, 12:44 AM
Trey Bruke is godly. Godbruke!


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ewing
02-25-2018, 12:47 AM
If so, good. Melo is a *****.

Not nice


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Scoots
02-25-2018, 12:50 AM
Stream it. No commercials.

That leads to the horrors of in arena timeout entertainment.

Scoots
02-25-2018, 12:58 AM
PG and Klay Thompson had nightmare nights. Westbrook still has a tendency to be an out of control chucker.

goingfor28
02-25-2018, 01:01 AM
Once again, Zaza is a piece of ****

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nastynice
02-25-2018, 01:07 AM
Once again, Zaza is a piece of ****

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Falling on westbrook's leg?

won't lie, seemed a bit odd to me...

Nikeman
02-25-2018, 01:25 AM
Watched the replay 10+ times. Looks super intentional.

Zaza is untouched, sees Westbrook is down on the ground, and magically stumbled and lands on his legs full force with his 250 pound body.

Kind of sad that these might Golden State Warriors, who are calling themselves a dynasty have a bounty hunter on their team to take out other teams' star players. Complete trash.

I am sure the league will turn a blind eye to this as well, just as they always do.

goingfor28
02-25-2018, 01:26 AM
Falling on westbrook's leg?

won't lie, seemed a bit odd to me...Yup. As intentional as it gets. He looked right at him, then "fell."

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Texan_Rocket
02-25-2018, 01:26 AM
Post the clip, i missed it

goingfor28
02-25-2018, 01:37 AM
Post the clip, i missed it
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfmw9qiA7lE/?taken-by=bleacherreport

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dhopisthename
02-25-2018, 01:47 AM
man this play is so bad. it looks like fell on his legs on purpose.

goingfor28
02-25-2018, 01:49 AM
man this play is so bad. it looks like fell on his legs on purpose.He absolutely did. Zaza is an absolute piece of ****. Dude needs to be suspended asap. Not like this is a one time thing. He has a bad history with being dirty.

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More-Than-Most
02-25-2018, 02:05 AM
This looks really really bad and it does look intentional BUT if you look at nick youngs leg it looks like he may have pulled zaza leg if i am playing devils advocate and looking for an out here. Now that being said this type of stuff happens way to often with zaza and the league should come down hard on him but i doubt they will... Intentional or not he needs to control his body better and it looks like he doesnt even try to avoid falling on him at full... Again intentional or not zaza could have tried to do something there to stop himself from falling full weight on westy legs but he clearly didnt... I wont say its intention or not though.

More-Than-Most
02-25-2018, 02:08 AM
Lol where is lakers at... didnt i tell ya... zubs play a whole 11 minutes... i swear its like your front office hates the kid.

nastynice
02-25-2018, 02:12 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfmw9qiA7lE/?taken-by=bleacherreport

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Doesn't look like anything bad there. But it seemed odd in real time.

nastynice
02-25-2018, 02:14 AM
zubacs is a savage

they sleepin on him

Lakers + Giants
02-25-2018, 02:53 AM
This just confirms that the kawhi play was intentional as well. **** Zaza.

More-Than-Most
02-25-2018, 03:34 AM
This just confirms that the kawhi play was intentional as well. **** Zaza.

The KL thing was 100000 percent intentional... I am not sure how that was ever a debate.

Lakers + Giants
02-25-2018, 03:41 AM
Lol where is lakers at... didnt i tell ya... zubs play a whole 11 minutes... i swear its like your front office hates the kid.

Yea it was sad to see lmao.

Got the win tho. I'd be more pissed if we lost. Still no excuse. He better be starting next year. Once Lopez is gone.

arnchise
02-25-2018, 03:42 AM
We need another angle because there is no way from that angle you can tell if he purposely fell on his legs or not.

jaydubb
02-25-2018, 04:39 AM
Watch nick youngs leg.. It gets behind zaza and pulls him down. I hate zaza but idk if you can say this one was intentional.. Is there another camera angle out there?

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aman_13
02-25-2018, 05:13 AM
https://youtu.be/v3wdEqrhyPo

That looks intentional.

Vallejo Raiders
02-25-2018, 05:35 AM
OMG not intentional. Nick Youngs foot clearly hit Za Zas leg causing the 7 footer to collapse.:facepalm::facepalm:

KobeOwnSU
02-25-2018, 05:36 AM
zubacs is a savage

they sleepin on himZubac is filthy. It's almost like they are blind.

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KobeOwnSU
02-25-2018, 05:38 AM
The KL thing was 100000 percent intentional... I am not sure how that was ever a debate.This is the 1st thing we have agreed upon. Game 1 Zaza was intentional. He stepped on Kawhi on purpose.

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JLynn943
02-25-2018, 06:14 AM
https://youtu.be/v3wdEqrhyPo

That looks intentional.

That's 100% intentional. He even looks like he intentionally moves toward and lays out over Westbrook's knee.

If you're willing to intentionally go for someone's knee and possibly mess up the rest of their career, you don't belong in the league. He better get a lengthy suspension out of this. If not, he's just going to keep doing it.

ewing
02-25-2018, 07:21 AM
Doesnít look intentional but I like hearing Russ talk **** after the game


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Giannis94
02-25-2018, 09:32 AM
OMG not intentional. Nick Youngs foot clearly hit Za Zas leg causing the 7 footer to collapse.:facepalm::facepalm:

Shocking. A Cali fan saying not intentional? :facepalm:

prodigy
02-25-2018, 10:14 AM
Was just talking about ZAZA in another thread yesterday lol. I have nothing against physical players, but i cant stand cheap shot players. ZAZA has to be dealt with either by the NBA or the Players. Or he's gonna ruin another teams season by taking out their top player.

prodigy
02-25-2018, 10:18 AM
Doesnít look intentional but I like hearing Russ talk **** after the game


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how the heck is that not intentional explain ur self. He stands there looking down at westbrook. Then slowly falls down, moves his body towards Westbrooks legs then turns over to go back first lmao!!

I don't give a dang about Westbrook, But common now. this craps getting redic

prodigy
02-25-2018, 10:29 AM
Again intentional or not zaza could have tried to do something there to stop himself from falling full weight on westy legs but he clearly didnt... I wont say its intention or not though.

in my eyes it was on purpose no question. But even if Young did trip ZAZA, he started to fall slow, he had more than enough time to put his arms down. But he proceeds to turns over and goes back first smdh...

ewing
02-25-2018, 11:02 AM
how the heck is that not intentional explain ur self. He stands there looking down at westbrook. Then slowly falls down, moves his body towards Westbrooks legs then turns over to go back first lmao!!

I don't give a dang about Westbrook, But common now. this craps getting redic

He didnít throw a Hogan leg drop. A clumsy guy fell over in a crowd. It could have been intentional but I donít think you can tell and Iím not going to say it is just bc itís Zaza. Seems like everyone is assuming bc it a guy that is known to be a dirty player


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Sixers3Fan
02-25-2018, 11:06 AM
We need another angle because there is no way from that angle you can tell if he purposely fell on his legs or not.

What are you looking at? He clearly did not trip over anybody. He just fell ontop of Westbrook.

tp13baby
02-25-2018, 12:11 PM
He didnít throw a Hogan leg drop. A clumsy guy fell over in a crowd. It could have been intentional but I donít think you can tell and Iím not going to say it is just bc itís Zaza. Seems like everyone is assuming bc it a guy that is known to be a dirty player


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He clenches his fist and punches Westy on the way down. Get the **** out with this Zaza love train he is a piece of ****.

This is 100 percent intentional. Even if Youngís scrawny *** legs pulled down a professional athlete. His intent was to injure.

If Zaza naturally falls like that he wouldnít even be an NBA player. I see more gracefulness from an infant.

IndyRealist
02-25-2018, 12:11 PM
Nick Young's foot is behind Zaza's knee, and his legs tangled with Westbrook. When Russ goes down, it pulls Nick's legs which trip Zaza.

No unbiased person could watch that and come to any other conclusion. The level of discourse around here has gone downhill fast.

tp13baby
02-25-2018, 12:26 PM
Nick Young's foot is behind Zaza's knee, and his legs tangled with Westbrook. When Russ goes down, it pulls Nick's legs which trip Zaza.

No unbiased person could watch that and come to any other conclusion. The level of discourse around here has gone downhill fast.

Anyone who has ever fallen from ESPNs video can tell you the way Zaza comes down with his hand was not to break a fall. Itís really not that hard to see the intent behind the fall.

Nicks leg no way enough force to bring down a guy like. Maybe if Zaza was 90 but **** I work with Elders who have better balance than that ďathleteĒ if it was unintentional.

IndyRealist
02-25-2018, 12:37 PM
Anyone who has ever fallen from ESPNs video can tell you the way Zaza comes down with his hand was not to break a fall. Itís really not that hard to see the intent behind the fall.

Nicks leg no way enough force to bring down a guy like. Maybe if Zaza was 90 but **** I work with Elders who have better balance than that ďathleteĒ if it was unintentional.

Lol. It doesn't take any force when it's to the back of the knee. This is really sad.

ewing
02-25-2018, 12:39 PM
Nick Young's foot is behind Zaza's knee, and his legs tangled with Westbrook. When Russ goes down, it pulls Nick's legs which trip Zaza.

No unbiased person could watch that and come to any other conclusion. The level of discourse around here has gone downhill fast.

Thanks Indy,

aman_13
02-25-2018, 12:54 PM
Yeah the way he tried to break his fall makes me believe it was intentional.

SoulBrotha
02-25-2018, 01:08 PM
Lol tried to break his fall with a clenched fist to Westbrooks nutz. If that ain't dirty....

WaDe03
02-25-2018, 01:22 PM
The guys defending it are hilarious.

KingPosey
02-25-2018, 01:38 PM
It cracks me Up watching people try and say nick Young pulled him down with that lol. He barely touches him. Not
To meantion ZaZa waddles forward to get close, looks down, and falls right on him without ever even being in the play.

dhopisthename
02-25-2018, 01:52 PM
https://streamable.com/v6fqa

pretty clearly shows that nick young is the one that made him fall.

prodigy
02-25-2018, 02:03 PM
Nick Young's foot is behind Zaza's knee, and his legs tangled with Westbrook. When Russ goes down, it pulls Nick's legs which trip Zaza.

No unbiased person could watch that and come to any other conclusion. The level of discourse around here has gone downhill fast.


I don't give 2 craps about thunder or warriors. That was a dirty play. horrible.

prodigy
02-25-2018, 02:08 PM
https://streamable.com/v6fqa

pretty clearly shows that nick young is the one that made him fall.

So why did he (as he's slowly falling) not try to put a hand down to catch himself? why did he move down to the lower legs and why did he roll over to his back? it looked like a horrible actor trying to fall. Shaq falls with more grace.

I hope the NBA does something or its gonna get ugly. Irving spoke up about this too. Its well known throughout the NBA. If the NBA doesn't step him the players should. ZAZA wants to take out other teams stars maybe someone should take out theirs? eye for an eye.

tp13baby
02-25-2018, 02:22 PM
https://streamable.com/v6fqa

pretty clearly shows that nick young is the one that made him fall.

Baseline view pretty clearly shows Zaza's intent was to injure. We can discuss after you see that angle. I am not buying Nick Youngs foot forcefully pulled down an NBA athlete. Will not.

Vallejo Raiders
02-25-2018, 02:29 PM
Shocking. A Cali fan saying not intentional? :facepalm:

Not necessarily if you take off your goggles that are blinding you with the hate for the Warriors you will see that Nick Young clearly hits him on the back of his knee now if you do that to a 7-footer I would expect him to collapse come on man I think KL was intentional No Lie

Fla.SticKy
02-25-2018, 02:39 PM
Heís a dirty *** player and need to be fined heavily and suspended a bunch of games. Heís really a threat to peopleís careers and potentially hundreds of millions of dollars, they need to start thinking about banning him from the league with any further incidents. Heís a dangerous bum.

tp13baby
02-25-2018, 02:41 PM
Not necessarily if you take off your goggles that are blinding you with the hate for the Warriors you will see that Nick Young clearly hits him on the back of his knee now if you do that to a 7-footer I would expect him to collapse come on man I think KL was intentional No Lie

Nothing to do with hating the Warriors, I really don't hate them as I love Curry, Klay and Green, still think Durant, Zaza and Iggy are *****es, but watch the BASELINE view.

WATCHING THE BASELINE VIEW SHOWS HIS INTENT TO INJURE WESTBROOK. No **** you can see Young's foot behind Zaza, not arguing that, that way he lands on Westbrook with his right arm is disregards any fact that this was unintentional. It is absolutely hilarious people are defending this guy.

warfelg
02-25-2018, 02:49 PM
Itís dirty.

goingfor28
02-25-2018, 02:53 PM
Someone deleted the Zaza thread? It just disappeared lol

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Scoots
02-25-2018, 03:04 PM
Someone deleted the Zaza thread? It just disappeared lol

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Yeah, I merged it with the game thread and instantly realized I shouldn't have because so many people had replied and can't find a way to undo it. I started to merge it early then left the screen for a while then came back and finished the merge. Sorry. In general I didn't think a non-injury non-foul really warranted it's own thread.

Sixers3Fan
02-25-2018, 03:45 PM
Someone deleted the Zaza thread? It just disappeared lol

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I was just looking for it as well.

aman_13
02-25-2018, 04:04 PM
Nothing to do with hating the Warriors, I really don't hate them as I love Curry, Klay and Green, still think Durant, Zaza and Iggy are *****es, but watch the BASELINE view.

WATCHING THE BASELINE VIEW SHOWS HIS INTENT TO INJURE WESTBROOK. No **** you can see Young's foot behind Zaza, not arguing that, that way he lands on Westbrook with his right arm is disregards any fact that this was unintentional. It is absolutely hilarious people are defending this guy.

That's the view that makes me believe he knew what he was doing. I can see why he fell but he wasn't very cautious on how he planned to break his fall. And honestly, his reputation makes it hard for me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

aman_13
02-25-2018, 04:15 PM
Yeah, I merged it with the game thread and instantly realized I shouldn't have because so many people had replied and can't find a way to undo it. I started to merge it early then left the screen for a while then came back and finished the merge. Sorry. In general I didn't think a non-injury non-foul really warranted it's own thread.

When did you think of merging? There was quite a bit of activity on this thread from the start relatively speaking.

Scoots
02-25-2018, 04:15 PM
I wonder if Westbrook will get a fine for coming off the bench to shove Nick Young

Scoots
02-25-2018, 04:17 PM
When did you think of merging? There was quite a bit of activity on this thread from the start relatively speaking.

I started to merge yesterday, had to leave my computer for an extended period, came back and saw that I hadn't hit go and did, then noticed how active it had been.

aman_13
02-25-2018, 04:19 PM
I started to merge yesterday, had to leave my computer for an extended period, came back and saw that I hadn't hit go and did, then noticed how active it had been.


Oh well. Let's see if the NBA does anything. If they don't, then they likely side with those who believe it was unintentional.

nastynice
02-25-2018, 04:27 PM
Nothing to do with hating the Warriors, I really don't hate them as I love Curry, Klay and Green, still think Durant, Zaza and Iggy are *****es, but watch the BASELINE view.

WATCHING THE BASELINE VIEW SHOWS HIS INTENT TO INJURE WESTBROOK. No **** you can see Young's foot behind Zaza, not arguing that, that way he lands on Westbrook with his right arm is disregards any fact that this was unintentional. It is absolutely hilarious people are defending this guy.

Where are you seeing this view at?

In real time it looked odd. The replay linked in this thread clearly shows he was legitimately tripped. He also DID put his hand out to break the fall and it slides out, that's why he falls. Wether he purposely let it slide out, I don't know, but it's definitely confusing how someone can see the replay and say he just intentionally fell

Of course this is all based on the view linked earlier, I'm curious to see the baseline view

ewing
02-25-2018, 05:31 PM
That's the view that makes me believe he knew what he was doing. I can see why he fell but he wasn't very cautious on how he planned to break his fall. And honestly, his reputation makes it hard for me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

At least you are honest. I can see thinking itís intentional bc itís Zaza but I donít think it obviously intentional at all. I donít anyone would have said a word if the same play happened and it was Shaun Livingston that fell.


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TrueFan420
02-25-2018, 09:12 PM
I wonder if Westbrook will get a fine for coming off the bench to shove Nick Young

Unlikely

aman_13
02-26-2018, 03:44 PM
Zaza getting a lot of heat from players and media for the way he fell. I think we might see a suspension.

Scoots
02-26-2018, 04:56 PM
Zaza getting a lot of heat from players and media for the way he fell. I think we might see a suspension.

I doubt it. No proof of intent makes it hard for the league to take action.

aman_13
02-26-2018, 05:05 PM
I doubt it. No proof of intent makes it hard for the league to take action.

Well we disagree on what we saw on video.

Chronz
02-26-2018, 06:05 PM
Well we disagree on what we saw on video.
That's his point.

Chronz
02-26-2018, 06:12 PM
Zaza getting a lot of heat from players and media for the way he fell. I think we might see a suspension.
Sounds like bias overcoming reason. His hand slipped as he braced for impact. Why do that if you're injuring someone. Yes maybe he's the master Of deception but damn that's hard to restrict. I would just suspend him because of his rep but it's kind of sad that the very thing that made him attractive as a rookie is the thing players are *****ing about today. He's a brute to the core.

I do wonder if a predominantly black league harbors bias towards other cultures and ethnic backgrounds. Steven Adams has spoken on it, Lin has spoken on it and I've even heard max and sas/marcellus speak on how having a certain culture endears you to the NBA community.

I remember growing up with friends of mine getting offended by my linking of hip hop and basketball as a cultural/ethnic pairing but it was and remained obvious.

aman_13
02-26-2018, 07:03 PM
That's his point.

And I merely acknowledged it.

aman_13
02-26-2018, 07:08 PM
Sounds like bias overcoming reason. His hand slipped as he braced for impact. Why do that if you're injuring someone. Yes maybe he's the master Of deception but damn that's hard to restrict. I would just suspend him because of his rep but it's kind of sad that the very thing that made him attractive as a rookie is the thing players are *****ing about today. He's a brute to the core.

I do wonder if a predominantly black league harbors bias towards other cultures and ethnic backgrounds. Steven Adams has spoken on it, Lin has spoken on it and I've even heard max and sas/marcellus speak on how having a certain culture endears you to the NBA community.

I remember growing up with friends of mine getting offended by my linking of hip hop and basketball as a cultural/ethnic pairing but it was and remained obvious.

His reputation maybe fogging my objectively but I've talked to many people about this and have listened to players and they are all convinced as well that he knew what he was doing when he fell.

IndyRealist
02-26-2018, 07:08 PM
His reputation maybe fogging my objectively but I've talked to many people about this, I've heard players talk about this and most of the media seems convinced as well that he knew what he was doing when he fell.
The media doesn't get clicks if it's an accident. They have a vested interest in sensationalizing it.

aman_13
02-26-2018, 07:19 PM
The media doesn't get clicks if it's an accident. They have a vested interest in sensationalizing it.


That's funny, I actually edited my post to delete the media part prior to reading your post. I expected this response but I only listen to certain media members who I believe don't have a reason to show bias.

IndyRealist
02-26-2018, 07:41 PM
That's funny, I actually edited my post to delete the media part prior to reading your post. I expected this response but I only listen to certain media members who I believe don't have a reason to show bias.

They all have REASON to show bias, but some guys are more honest than others I'll concede.

aman_13
02-26-2018, 07:50 PM
They all have REASON to show bias, but some guys are more honest than others I'll concede.

That's true. I try to stay away from mainstream media on certain topics. Colin, SAS, Skip, Shannon, Whitlock all show incredible bias.

Btw you guys would be very surprised on how different TV personalities are here in Canada.

Scoots
02-26-2018, 08:17 PM
His reputation maybe fogging my objectively but I've talked to many people about this and have listened to players and they are all convinced as well that he knew what he was doing when he fell.

All of the players are convinced? Or are you talking about Westbrook who already has a beef with Zaza for a play last year, or PG his teammate, or Irving who played them last year and doesn't like the Warriors either?

If Zaza had that level of control why wasn't Westbrook injured? And why did he do the same thing to his teammate last year? Does Zaza secretly hate KD?

Scoots
02-26-2018, 08:36 PM
Sounds like bias overcoming reason. His hand slipped as he braced for impact. Why do that if you're injuring someone. Yes maybe he's the master Of deception but damn that's hard to restrict. I would just suspend him because of his rep but it's kind of sad that the very thing that made him attractive as a rookie is the thing players are *****ing about today. He's a brute to the core.

I do wonder if a predominantly black league harbors bias towards other cultures and ethnic backgrounds. Steven Adams has spoken on it, Lin has spoken on it and I've even heard max and sas/marcellus speak on how having a certain culture endears you to the NBA community.

I remember growing up with friends of mine getting offended by my linking of hip hop and basketball as a cultural/ethnic pairing but it was and remained obvious.

The Warriors have low key talked about some other NBA players not liking them because they are not black enough to the point that a rookie on the Warriors made a joke about it ... that he learned to "pass it to the lightskinned dudes" ... but he didn't mean Zaza.

I had hoped the Warriors would have been able to replace Zaza because his skills are so limited ... but he is physical on a team that isn't very physical a lot of the time and that the book is to shove them and beat them up and if you watch the Warriors games vs the Thunder this contact where nobody was hurt really is nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTHtkGlJPUg This one from last year was just barely a foul, he got mostly ball but the contact with the face makes it a foul the majority of the time. Zaza didn't say anything and looking at someone on the floor shouldn't be a foul, but walking toward him is what made it deserve a technical. I'm glad that play is not 3 shots anymore. That's Zaza doing his job ... Westbrook's acting is what makes it look really bad. Most of the time when a player goes for a steal the other player doesn't drop like they've been shot (only to run away smiling after the foul is called). You can see in the video another little shove by Zaza that Westbrook didn't like. But if you watched big men in the 80s and 90s none of what Zaza did is anything compared to what they used to do.

Zaza is completely capable of being an enforcer type, it's absolutely part of his job. I don't think he's ever tried to directly injure someone (my definition of dirty), but his body definitely gets out of control, and he is definitely physical on purpose. But this one doesn't come close to meeting any kind of burden of proof for a suspension

aman_13
02-26-2018, 08:40 PM
All of the players are convinced? Or are you talking about Westbrook who already has a beef with Zaza for a play last year, or PG his teammate, or Irving who played them last year and doesn't like the Warriors either?

If Zaza had that level of control why wasn't Westbrook injured? And why did he do the same thing to his teammate last year? Does Zaza secretly hate KD?

So because he didn't get hurt, we should surpress any thought of intent? I said players, not all. Irving is one of the players I was referencing. He's openly acknowledged his respect for the Warriors and is good friends with Curry. I think Irving is one of the realest dudes in the NBA. I respect his opinion, and no that doesn't mean i agree with everything he says. Stephan Jackson was emphatic about his stance on the matter and he felt it was intentional. Here is a guy who knows a thing or two about enforcing and dirty plays.

warfelg
02-26-2018, 09:55 PM
It was dirty. You can't convince me otherwise. World class athlete can't avoid that fall? GTFO with that IMO.

And Kerr is losing my respect...and yea yea what does he care he doesn't know me. So what. He comes off more and more classless the most this stuff happens with his team, as his team has steadily advanced higher and higher up the total technical charts every year under him. They went from 10, to 9, to 4, to 3. They lead the league (by a good margin) in ejections this year, with more than double the next team.

And then he calls Zaza the 'Moral compass of the team'. Like at this point just shove it. You look terrible saying that.

tredigs
02-26-2018, 10:31 PM
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Scoots
02-26-2018, 11:01 PM
So because he didn't get hurt, we should surpress any thought of intent? I said players, not all. Irving is one of the players I was referencing. He's openly acknowledged his respect for the Warriors and is good friends with Curry. I think Irving is one of the realest dudes in the NBA. I respect his opinion, and no that doesn't mean i agree with everything he says. Stephan Jackson was emphatic about his stance on the matter and he felt it was intentional. Here is a guy who knows a thing or two about enforcing and dirty plays.

You did say "players and they are all convinced" ... you said "all". If Zaza is so good at doing this stuff and he was trying to injure Westbrook why wasn't he injured? Irving is nuts and to you he's "one of the realest"? Stephen Jackson is also a lunatic.

I think Zaza is mostly just a klutz.

Scoots
02-26-2018, 11:02 PM
You can't convince me otherwise.

Always a good way to open a discussion.

warfelg
02-26-2018, 11:07 PM
Always a good way to open a discussion.

I'm willing to have a conversation, but dirty players are always fun when their on your team. As someone who had the dirtiest player in the NFL on his team for years (Ward then Harrison) I get it.

But right now Zaza is in the 'fool me three times' area. A world class athlete doesn't go down because someone brushed his leg. Sorry they just don't. And if he goes down from that he should retire.

tredigs
02-26-2018, 11:30 PM
Doesnít look intentional but I like hearing Russ talk **** after the game


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Regardless, I'm all for a year long ban.

Scoots
02-26-2018, 11:33 PM
I'm willing to have a conversation, but dirty players are always fun when their on your team. As someone who had the dirtiest player in the NFL on his team for years (Ward then Harrison) I get it.

But right now Zaza is in the 'fool me three times' area. A world class athlete doesn't go down because someone brushed his leg. Sorry they just don't. And if he goes down from that he should retire.

I didn't think Ward was dirty, Harrison was though. Kevin Gogan was on the 49ers "my team" and he was incredibly dirty. I think Gogan is still the only player in NFL history to be ejected from the pro-bowl for a kick to Neil Smith's nuts so hard it lifted him off the ground. I can see the play and the player without slanting it to "my team". I really enjoyed the Bad Boys of Detroit but I never defended them for their dirty ways. Zaza has a reputation much worse than he's earned, and most of his reputation came from before he was on the Warriors.

From what I've seen most of what's got Zaza a reputation has been debatable for intent, and a lot of centers and power forwards have had similar actions where they just don't get called for it.

It's all much ado about nothing.

ewing
02-26-2018, 11:40 PM
Regardless, I'm all for a year long ban.

agreed.

aman_13
02-26-2018, 11:42 PM
You did say "players and they are all convinced" ... you said "all". If Zaza is so good at doing this stuff and he was trying to injure Westbrook why wasn't he injured? Irving is nuts and to you he's "one of the realest"? Stephen Jackson is also a lunatic.

I think Zaza is mostly just a klutz.

I meant all players that have shared their opinion on the matter. And come on, I'm not going to get into what you think of said player.

He did hurt Leonard and I'm seriously baffled at what being injured or not has to do with intent.

Scoots
02-27-2018, 12:19 AM
I meant all players that have shared their opinion on the matter. And come on, I'm not going to get into what you think of said player.

He did hurt Leonard and I'm seriously baffled at what being injured or not has to do with intent.

It's not just what I think of the players, Westbrook, Irving, and Jackson all have reputations for talking crap, and PG defending his teammate is really nothing.

First, if Leonard doesn't get hurt Zaza stepping under him is maybe no foul at all and certainly isn't any kind of big deal.

Second, if Zaza is so good at hurting people why didn't Westbrook get hurt? It's because Westbrook puts on a show and acts like it's a great big deal when it's not.

Giannis94
02-27-2018, 12:29 AM
It's not just what I think of the players, Westbrook, Irving, and Jackson all have reputations for talking crap, and PG defending his teammate is really nothing.

First, if Leonard doesn't get hurt Zaza stepping under him is maybe no foul at all and certainly isn't any kind of big deal.

Second, if Zaza is so good at hurting people why didn't Westbrook get hurt? It's because Westbrook puts on a show and acts like it's a great big deal when it's not.

Westbrook isn't the only actor in the NBA. Kd is.. Curry is. Lebron is. Oh and lord knows Harden is. Harden is probably worse than westy

aman_13
02-27-2018, 12:46 AM
It's not just what I think of the players, Westbrook, Irving, and Jackson all have reputations for talking crap, and PG defending his teammate is really nothing.

First, if Leonard doesn't get hurt Zaza stepping under him is maybe no foul at all and certainly isn't any kind of big deal.

Second, if Zaza is so good at hurting people why didn't Westbrook get hurt? It's because Westbrook puts on a show and acts like it's a great big deal when it's not.

He's a dirty player and you don't have to literally injure someone to be defined as one. Westbrook was hurt on that play, and it could have potentially been worse. Even if there isn't intent, the league should legislate recklessness. He has a compelation of these so called "clumsy" plays.

Saddletramp
02-27-2018, 02:02 AM
If it wasn't dirty then he's one of the clumsiest mother****ers I've ever seen. And if you're that much of a clumsy mother****er, you gotta get out before you hurt someone else.


Warriors just Warriorin'.

nastynice
02-27-2018, 03:50 AM
What if after the game they found in Zaza's locker a child like drawing of Zaza elbow dropping Westbrook's?

That would make it all look even more intentional

IKnowHoops
02-27-2018, 04:18 AM
Doesn't look like anything bad there. But it seemed odd in real time.

GTFOH - your bias has been deemed unfit for discussion. Everything you say in refeference to your team is officially worthless.

IKnowHoops
02-27-2018, 04:22 AM
how the heck is that not intentional explain ur self. He stands there looking down at westbrook. Then slowly falls down, moves his body towards Westbrooks legs then turns over to go back first lmao!!

I don't give a dang about Westbrook, But common now. this craps getting redic

Dó. I am really starting to question intelligence in here. F b-ball IQ, we need to first find out if the people in here who donít think that was on purpose have actual intelligence for every day life, because there are obviously a lot of suckers in here.

IKnowHoops
02-27-2018, 04:26 AM
Nick Young's foot is behind Zaza's knee, and his legs tangled with Westbrook. When Russ goes down, it pulls Nick's legs which trip Zaza.

No unbiased person could watch that and come to any other conclusion. The level of discourse around here has gone downhill fast.

OMG dude. Have you ever seen a lineman fall down limp on a QB just to crush him so he feels the full weight. That was Not a natural fall. That was a targeted limp fall. Play sports bro!

IKnowHoops
02-27-2018, 04:29 AM
Yeah, I merged it with the game thread and instantly realized I shouldn't have because so many people had replied and can't find a way to undo it. I started to merge it early then left the screen for a while then came back and finished the merge. Sorry. In general I didn't think a non-injury non-foul really warranted it's own thread.

You struck again🤬

IKnowHoops
02-27-2018, 04:44 AM
Sounds like bias overcoming reason. His hand slipped as he braced for impact. Why do that if you're injuring someone. Yes maybe he's the master Of deception but damn that's hard to restrict. I would just suspend him because of his rep but it's kind of sad that the very thing that made him attractive as a rookie is the thing players are *****ing about today. He's a brute to the core.

I do wonder if a predominantly black league harbors bias towards other cultures and ethnic backgrounds. Steven Adams has spoken on it, Lin has spoken on it and I've even heard max and sas/marcellus speak on how having a certain culture endears you to the NBA community.

I remember growing up with friends of mine getting offended by my linking of hip hop and basketball as a cultural/ethnic pairing but it was and remained obvious.

Def reaching with the cultural bias in this case. I do agree that all cultures who have the power, want to keep it and kind trounce on anyone who wants to try and take it, but I also think sports are the one place where color doesnít matter. All that matters is that you can ball. You call Zaza a brute? I call him a bóó. Mahorn, Oakley were brutes. They bring the pain to your chest. They will injure you with an elbow to jaw, when you first step out of line. Even the bad boys hit Jordan high. They didnít go at his knees and ankles. Plus it was accepted then. What Zaza does has never been accepted. And the dude cannot ball. Heís hated on for his court play. Got nothing to do with his nationality.

IKnowHoops
02-27-2018, 04:51 AM
The Warriors have low key talked about some other NBA players not liking them because they are not black enough to the point that a rookie on the Warriors made a joke about it ... that he learned to "pass it to the lightskinned dudes" ... but he didn't mean Zaza.

I had hoped the Warriors would have been able to replace Zaza because his skills are so limited ... but he is physical on a team that isn't very physical a lot of the time and that the book is to shove them and beat them up and if you watch the Warriors games vs the Thunder this contact where nobody was hurt really is nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTHtkGlJPUg This one from last year was just barely a foul, he got mostly ball but the contact with the face makes it a foul the majority of the time. Zaza didn't say anything and looking at someone on the floor shouldn't be a foul, but walking toward him is what made it deserve a technical. I'm glad that play is not 3 shots anymore. That's Zaza doing his job ... Westbrook's acting is what makes it look really bad. Most of the time when a player goes for a steal the other player doesn't drop like they've been shot (only to run away smiling after the foul is called). You can see in the video another little shove by Zaza that Westbrook didn't like. But if you watched big men in the 80s and 90s none of what Zaza did is anything compared to what they used to do.

Zaza is completely capable of being an enforcer type, it's absolutely part of his job. I don't think he's ever tried to directly injure someone (my definition of dirty), but his body definitely gets out of control, and he is definitely physical on purpose. But this one doesn't come close to meeting any kind of burden of proof for a suspension

This Warriors bias is really the worst Iíve seen. You probably shouldnít be allowed to modify threads that involve the Warriors. You done fed up again on a warrior thread that ďyou donít think needs to be thereĒ. Dude your not the end all be all. People think way different. Stop making these judgment calls ruening the experience for others with you obvious bias bro.

IKnowHoops
02-27-2018, 04:56 AM
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Exactly! Even Tre has to much self respect, and dare I say ATHLETIC EXPERIENCE to defend this.

A lot of people in here obviously just watch sports. They think these NBA athletes fall like there fat out of shape arses fall lol.

IndyRealist
02-27-2018, 09:34 AM
OMG dude. Have you ever seen a lineman fall down limp on a QB just to crush him so he feels the full weight. That was Not a natural fall. That was a targeted limp fall. Play sports bro!

10 years of judo, bro. Lay off the sauce.

ewing
02-27-2018, 09:37 AM
Exactly! Even Tre has to much self respect, and dare I say ATHLETIC EXPERIENCE to defend this.

A lot of people in here obviously just watch sports. They think these NBA athletes fall like there fat out of shape arses fall lol.

I play a B2B every Monday and Tuesday. I'm a warrior!

Scoots
02-27-2018, 10:17 AM
He's a dirty player and you don't have to literally injure someone to be defined as one. Westbrook was hurt on that play, and it could have potentially been worse. Even if there isn't intent, the league should legislate recklessness. He has a compelation of these so called "clumsy" plays.

Including on his own teammate. If it's intentional why would he do it to his teammate? Watch him try to shoot. The dude has poor body control. His primary skill is that he's a large person and they are in short supply.

Scoots
02-27-2018, 10:23 AM
This Warriors bias is really the worst Iíve seen. You probably shouldnít be allowed to modify threads that involve the Warriors. You done fed up again on a warrior thread that ďyou donít think needs to be thereĒ. Dude your not the end all be all. People think way different. Stop making these judgment calls ruening the experience for others with you obvious bias bro.

Calm down. I didn't delete anything I just merged a comment on a non-play in a game back into the game day thread it would normally be a part of. That's normal behavior. I had no idea at the time this would go on multiple days and become a national discussion. And your bias argument isn't helped by the fact that I've said and thought similar things about players on other teams. People are WAY too quick to call people dirty when the reality is that they are more likely reckless at most. I even defend Dellavedova as not being dirty and he was on the "enemy" and injuring Warriors players. Why not get your facts before you make accusations.

And, just to put a period on this discussion the NBA said they are not going to take any action on this ... no foul, no technical, no flagrant, no suspension. It really was a nothing play.

warfelg
02-27-2018, 10:30 AM
Including on his own teammate. If it's intentional why would he do it to his teammate? Watch him try to shoot. The dude has poor body control. His primary skill is that he's a large person and they are in short supply.

If his body control is that bad he shouldnít be playing.

Scoots
02-27-2018, 10:32 AM
If his body control is that bad he shouldnít be playing.

I agree. He literally struggles to make a layup. I didn't want him in the first place, and didn't want him back for a 2nd year, but it's hard to find a player who is big, healthy, sets picks, can make an occasional pass, can hit free throws, and will play for the vet minimum.

TrueFan420
02-27-2018, 11:46 AM
I agree. He literally struggles to make a layup. I didn't want him in the first place, and didn't want him back for a 2nd year, but it's hard to find a player who is big, healthy, sets picks, can make an occasional pass, can hit free throws, and will play for the vet minimum.
The funny thing is he was widely considered underrated during his time with the Hawks and then the Mavs... he didn't start to get this bad rep so widely accepted until he turned down money and took a Vet Min to join the Warriors.

Im not going to get into the whole debate of dirty or not right now... but he definitely sees a bias against him because of who he plays for. It's human nature and similar examples can be seen with other players in the past on their top team of the day. Some just some not some embellished some not.

Scoots
02-27-2018, 11:54 AM
The funny thing is he was widely considered underrated during his time with the Hawks and then the Mavs... he didn't start to get this bad rep so widely accepted until he turned down money and took a Vet Min to join the Warriors.

Im not going to get into the whole debate of dirty or not right now... but he definitely sees a bias against him because of who he plays for. It's human nature and similar examples can be seen with other players in the past on their top team of the day. Some just some not some embellished some not.

Next year it might be Gortat or Chandler on the Warriors and they will be the target then.

JLynn943
02-27-2018, 12:01 PM
A man that massive is most likely not falling from Nick Young clipping the back of his knee like that. The "most likely" is what is going to keep him from being fined/suspended/whatever though. There's reasonable doubt. However, the way he fell makes it pretty clear to me that, realistically, he targeted Westbrook's knee. He looked, shimmy/stumbled, and then laid out right over it. It didn't look natural at all.

JLynn943
02-27-2018, 12:10 PM
The funny thing is he was widely considered underrated during his time with the Hawks and then the Mavs... he didn't start to get this bad rep so widely accepted until he turned down money and took a Vet Min to join the Warriors.

Im not going to get into the whole debate of dirty or not right now... but he definitely sees a bias against him because of who he plays for. It's human nature and similar examples can be seen with other players in the past on their top team of the day. Some just some not some embellished some not.

I always thought he was underrated before, but I also didn't get to see him play this much. He was always a physical, defensive center, but I don't remember seeing such questionable moves before. A dirty player is a dirty player wherever they are. There's not bias from who he plays for imo. I think it's exposure to seeing it happen. He could have not been dirty before and just become like that since then, too. It's not out of question :shrug:

mngopher35
02-27-2018, 12:13 PM
I thought this was less obvious to tell intent than last year tbh with the traffic around him (and getting clipped). I won't get too much into the intent of his fall but just going down is definitely possible even with minimal contact if hit in the back of knee and it buckles etc.

He has a history and it was just last season his antics were the big story so I get people not giving him the benefit of the doubt.

nastynice
02-27-2018, 12:44 PM
Dó. I am really starting to question intelligence in here. F b-ball IQ, we need to first find out if the people in here who donít think that was on purpose have actual intelligence for every day life, because there are obviously a lot of suckers in here.

Haha, it's funny cuz if you actually look at the replay you gotta be a legit dumb *** to think he intentionally dove at Westbrook's leg

You can visually see him fall via leg to the back of his knee. You can visually see him stick his arm out to break his fall but his arm slides out, thus him falling on Westbrook's leg

I'm not gonna stop the cry baby party, anyone can cry as much as they want about how crappy their team is (cuz let's be honest, that's the REAL reason anyone's complaining here), but just want to point out the legitimate dumb *** effect

Every time the warriors score a bucket, this effect begins brewing within haters :smoking: lmao

In other words, IKnowHoops is the perfect test subject to study :)

nastynice
02-27-2018, 12:49 PM
I always thought he was underrated before, but I also didn't get to see him play this much. He was always a physical, defensive center, but I don't remember seeing such questionable moves before. A dirty player is a dirty player wherever they are. There's not bias from who he plays for imo. I think it's exposure to seeing it happen. He could have not been dirty before and just become like that since then, too. It's not out of question :shrug:

His point is, if he's wearing any other jersey during that play it's a non issue

Which is 100% true

JLynn943
02-27-2018, 01:05 PM
His point is, if he's wearing any other jersey during that play it's a non issue

Which is 100% true

I really don't think that's true at all though. I think the bigger issue is that it was against a star player like Westbrook. If anyone (especially with a history) dove on a star player's knee, I think it would be an issue.

nastynice
02-27-2018, 01:25 PM
I really don't think that's true at all though. I think the bigger issue is that it was against a star player like Westbrook. If anyone (especially with a history) dove on a star player's knee, I think it would be an issue.

In theory yea, but I don't think that's how reality plays out

Zaza does a step under on kawhi, people lose it. Aldridge does it to curry, people like meh.

Def a product of the hate

I'm not saying you can't criticize a move like this, but look how emo these posts complaining about Zaza are. Hella emo. That's a hate driven situation

Saddletramp
02-27-2018, 02:51 PM
The funny thing is he was widely considered underrated during his time with the Hawks and then the Mavs... he didn't start to get this bad rep so widely accepted until he turned down money and took a Vet Min to join the Warriors.

Im not going to get into the whole debate of dirty or not right now... but he definitely sees a bias against him because of who he plays for. It's human nature and similar examples can be seen with other players in the past on their top team of the day. Some just some not some embellished some not.

No, he's been a goon for years. Usually, the only times I'd notice him was when he'd get into it with guys.

TrueFan420
02-27-2018, 03:06 PM
No, he's been a goon for years. Usually, the only times I'd notice him was when he'd get into it with guys.

Never really watched him all that closely. Just knew he was an average defender with a decent jumpshot, passing ability and could hit free throws. But remember in the NBA of the last 10 years, center is the last vestige to the old ways. Most bigs are expected to be the enforcers. Right or wrong that's what the league has shifted to.

He might have been goon or not but he doesn't take the heat he does now playing for any other team.

Let's say he is/was a dirty player by nature of being on the team he is that "dirtyness" is going to be embellished as the spotlight/magnifying glass on the warriors is far greater. You put him on Nets making the same play and it might get talked about for a full 15 seconds but no one rants about kicking him out of the league or fining him or suspending him or the league needing to have an intervention with him.

aman_13
02-27-2018, 03:36 PM
The funny thing is he was widely considered underrated during his time with the Hawks and then the Mavs... he didn't start to get this bad rep so widely accepted until he turned down money and took a Vet Min to join the Warriors.

Im not going to get into the whole debate of dirty or not right now... but he definitely sees a bias against him because of who he plays for. It's human nature and similar examples can be seen with other players in the past on their top team of the day. Some just some not some embellished some not.

I have been watching him play since he's been a Hawk. I have nothing against the Warriors. I actually felt obligated to mention that last night (decided not to) because I also know it's "human nature" to think that.

aman_13
02-27-2018, 03:36 PM
His point is, if he's wearing any other jersey during that play it's a non issue

Which is 100% true

Except it's not.

aman_13
02-27-2018, 03:43 PM
I don't care who he plays for. I don't get into petty arguments. I'm a huge Steph Curry fan, and I'm lucky that we get a lot of Warrior games here in Toronto. Zaza has been annoying me long before he's been a Warrior.

It's not a surprise however to see Warrior fans play that card.

Vee-Rex
02-27-2018, 03:45 PM
Zaza was regarded as 'dirty' before he joined the Warriors. That has absolutely nothing to do with it.