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HandsOnTheWheel
02-08-2018, 01:06 PM
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KobeOwnSU
02-08-2018, 01:07 PM
That's about 15 million...what are the Lakers getting???

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KB24PG16
02-08-2018, 01:08 PM
hopefully the return is nice

J4KOP99
02-08-2018, 01:10 PM
I assume lakers get cavs pick and shumpert or something.

Hart makes clarkson expendable. Liked nantz a lot tho

KobeOwnSU
02-08-2018, 01:10 PM
Thomas and Frye makes contracts work and are expiring...

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KB24PG16
02-08-2018, 01:11 PM
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R. Johnson#3
02-08-2018, 01:11 PM
Gonna be the Cavs pick and JR. That's my bet.

HandsOnTheWheel
02-08-2018, 01:11 PM
961648533509111809

Wow!!

Dade County
02-08-2018, 01:11 PM
Setting up for life after Lbj.

Cal827
02-08-2018, 01:12 PM
Poor Isiah Thomas :pity:

HandsOnTheWheel
02-08-2018, 01:13 PM
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Dade County
02-08-2018, 01:13 PM
IT is a Laker LOL

R. Johnson#3
02-08-2018, 01:14 PM
Honestly, this is one of the best possible outcomes the Cavs could've hoped for.

YAALREADYKNO
02-08-2018, 01:17 PM
Lmao damn

Giannis94
02-08-2018, 01:19 PM
lol

CELTICS4LYFE
02-08-2018, 01:19 PM
Wow!

IKnowHoops
02-08-2018, 01:20 PM
Love the deal for the Cavs. Feel bad for IT though. Cavs get much better defensively and get much more athletic. Great trade.

R. Johnson#3
02-08-2018, 01:20 PM
So much for the Brinks truck. Looks like IT needs another moving truck.

Jeffy25
02-08-2018, 01:20 PM
For Isiah.

Feels like the Cavs got nothing for Kyrie


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COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 01:21 PM
IT mustíve been intolerable in Cleveland

HandsOnTheWheel
02-08-2018, 01:21 PM
For Isiah.

Feels like the Cavs got nothing for Kyrie


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If they keep that BKN pick and Lebron leaves, it has a good chance of going top 5 in a loaded draft class

Jeffy25
02-08-2018, 01:22 PM
Thatís funny


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Heediot
02-08-2018, 01:22 PM
Looking at it for the long term. It`s not that bad. Those two are decent pieces for a rebuilding team. The odds of them getting anything better with the Cavs first is long.

OTOH, IT experiment failed for the Cavs. Maybe with more patience things would be different. Also, maybe IT wants his money so he needs more looks and is causing some problems. Not too sure just speculaton.

If Bron is gone, I like this move. If Bron stays, it`s not the end of the world either. Those contracts are movable, the only problem is there will be more sellers vs. buyers (who want to add on salary) due to the recent overspending.

CELTICS4LYFE
02-08-2018, 01:22 PM
For Isiah.

Feels like the Cavs got nothing for Kyrie


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Nance, Clarkson, Crowdah, Zizic and Brooklyn pick for Kyrie

tredigs
02-08-2018, 01:23 PM
And to compound this move, they just opened up the cap space for the Lakers to sign Lebron and running mates with this move. Lebron is a Laker in 6 months. Book it.

Jeffy25
02-08-2018, 01:23 PM
Do the Cavs care who gets the Lakers pick? Celtics or 76ers?


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PurpleLynch
02-08-2018, 01:24 PM
It's a pity, I liked what we were getting to with our young core. The return is decent (maybe we will get Thomas a new role as a sixth man ala Lou Williams as a Laker), Frye is a body we can use in Walton's system and the first is protected. As for the first protected...is it good or bad? I don't really know the rules on picks.

aman_13
02-08-2018, 01:24 PM
I really feal for IT. Did not expect this.

Jeffy25
02-08-2018, 01:24 PM
Nance, Clarkson, Crowdah, Zizic and Brooklyn pick for Kyrie

Totally right.

I guess I was just focused on IT


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HandsOnTheWheel
02-08-2018, 01:24 PM
Thatís funny


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AllBall
02-08-2018, 01:25 PM
Lebron knew last night!

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cold blooded, lol

Wade n Fade
02-08-2018, 01:26 PM
LA wins this deal. Frye is a piece they can still get rid of as well. IT can either kill it there or can walk away. No Clarkson deal to bother with either. Nance Jr is expendable too.

IndyRealist
02-08-2018, 01:26 PM
Let me be the first to start the rumor that Lebron orchestrated this trade to get the pieces he wants in LA for when he joins them this summer.

aman_13
02-08-2018, 01:28 PM
And to compound this move, they just opened up the cap space for the Lakers to sign Lebron and running mates with this move. Lebron is a Laker in 6 months. Book it.

Woah

AllBall
02-08-2018, 01:28 PM
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Jeffy25
02-08-2018, 01:30 PM
?

I forgot to quote.

The post about Gilbert keeping Bron out of LA


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AntiG
02-08-2018, 01:31 PM
hopefully Nance dons #22

aman_13
02-08-2018, 01:31 PM
I hate how we can't read tweets on the app. Nor can we read them on the mobile browser.

CELTICS4LYFE
02-08-2018, 01:32 PM
Cavs canít trade the Brooklyn pick now and just got 2 young pieces....Lebron def gone next year!!

AllBall
02-08-2018, 01:34 PM
I hate how we can't read tweets on the app. Nor can we read them on the mobile browser.

Get a mobile browser that allows you to put it in "Desktop" mode, like Opera.

Htownballa1622
02-08-2018, 01:35 PM
And to compound this move, they just opened up the cap space for the Lakers to sign Lebron and running mates with this move. Lebron is a Laker in 6 months. Book it.

My thoughts exactly.

PG13 is my last hope for saving us from Lebron to L.A.

I have a feeling Lebron and George will be lakers this year. :puke:

aman_13
02-08-2018, 01:36 PM
Get a mobile browser that allows you to put it in "Desktop" mode, like Opera.

Thanks. I will do just that!

BostonBoy
02-08-2018, 01:38 PM
Nance, Clarkson, Crowdah, Zizic and Brooklyn pick for Kyrie

Itís really Nance, Clarkson, Crowder, Zizic, 2018 Brooklyn for Kyrie, Frye, and a protected 1st.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 01:38 PM
I hate how we can't read tweets on the app. Nor can we read them on the mobile browser.

Just go to the site itself on your phone. I never use the app, it's garbage. You can't even see a poll.

CELTICS4LYFE
02-08-2018, 01:39 PM
Just go to the site itself on your phone. I never use the app, it's garbage. You can't even see a poll.

This. Wish they would fix the app, would make these forums so much better.

CELTICS4LYFE
02-08-2018, 01:43 PM
Itís really Nance, Clarkson, Crowder, Zizic, 2018 Brooklyn for Kyrie, Frye, and a protected 1st.

No. Itís really Nance, Clarkson, Crowdah, Zizic and pick swap for Kyrie and Frye lol IT is just dust in the wind

LA4life24/8
02-08-2018, 01:43 PM
This is great for LA. Windhorst says this paves the way for lakers to be able to go after bron and pg13 this summer

aman_13
02-08-2018, 01:45 PM
Just go to the site itself on your phone. I never use the app, it's garbage. You can't even see a poll.

I did but I can't read the tweets. It just disappears.

I wish they cared about the app. I can read deleted posts for crying out loud but can't read a tweet.

LOb0
02-08-2018, 01:45 PM
Isaiah's famous last words as a Cavs: "I'm sick of being traded I want to stay here"

lmao.

rhymeratic
02-08-2018, 01:46 PM
I told my girlfriend last night IT was getting traded the moment LeBron ignored him after hitting the game winner last night during celebration.

Check it out on YouTube.

Sly Guy
02-08-2018, 01:46 PM
this just makes no sense to me.

You trade that #1 you were clutching so tightly. You don't get a game changer back. You trade your big acquisition from last summer's trade as well.

What you get back are two role players. Cavs have role players. They need guys who are either defensive specialists, or elite talent. They lose the best player in the trade, and they give up their pick in the process. I mean unless you're REALLY high on Clarkson or Nance, I just don't get it.

And what's gonna happen with their PG spot? Are they just gonna run LBJ as the defacto-PG? or are they gonna slide and old, slow Calderon in there who even in his prime was an awful defender?

CELTICS4LYFE
02-08-2018, 01:48 PM
Man Iím so glad the Cavs ďwonĒ that IT/Kyrie trade with us lol

LOb0
02-08-2018, 01:51 PM
Man Iím so glad the Cavs ďwonĒ that IT/Kyrie trade with us lol

I'm still hurting over us getting killed in that trade.

rhymeratic
02-08-2018, 01:54 PM
this just makes no sense to me.

You trade that #1 you were clutching so tightly. You don't get a game changer back. You trade your big acquisition from last summer's trade as well.

What you get back are two role players. Cavs have role players. They need guys who are either defensive specialists, or elite talent. They lose the best player in the trade, and they give up their pick in the process. I mean unless you're REALLY high on Clarkson or Nance, I just don't get it.

And what's gonna happen with their PG spot? Are they just gonna run LBJ as the defacto-PG? or are they gonna slide and old, slow Calderon in there who even in his prime was an awful defender?

Nope they traded their own cavs 1st. They kept Brooklyn 1st.

NYKnickFanatic
02-08-2018, 01:56 PM
this just makes no sense to me.

You trade that #1 you were clutching so tightly. You don't get a game changer back. You trade your big acquisition from last summer's trade as well.

What you get back are two role players. Cavs have role players. They need guys who are either defensive specialists, or elite talent. They lose the best player in the trade, and they give up their pick in the process. I mean unless you're REALLY high on Clarkson or Nance, I just don't get it.

And what's gonna happen with their PG spot? Are they just gonna run LBJ as the defacto-PG? or are they gonna slide and old, slow Calderon in there who even in his prime was an awful defender?

They didnít trade Brooklynís pick...

Jetsguy
02-08-2018, 01:57 PM
Lebron and PG13 on Lakers is still a 3 seed at best in the West, I don't see Bron signing up for that. Feel like people are making to much of that angle

Vinylman
02-08-2018, 01:58 PM
this just makes no sense to me.

You trade that #1 you were clutching so tightly. You don't get a game changer back. You trade your big acquisition from last summer's trade as well.

What you get back are two role players. Cavs have role players. They need guys who are either defensive specialists, or elite talent. They lose the best player in the trade, and they give up their pick in the process. I mean unless you're REALLY high on Clarkson or Nance, I just don't get it.

And what's gonna happen with their PG spot? Are they just gonna run LBJ as the defacto-PG? or are they gonna slide and old, slow Calderon in there who even in his prime was an awful defender?

shhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The deal isn't final yet... don't wake up that dumbshit Gilbert

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 01:58 PM
Weird. In a way, Cavs got better both defensively and as a team in the future. Good move for them but if this is all they can do, they can kiss LeBron goodbye anyways. Lakers is looking good to sign Lebron, lmao.

LA4life24/8
02-08-2018, 01:59 PM
It's not the brooklyn pick but this is still a huge win for LA. They didnt have a first at all. This allows them to trade their 2019 1st if need be.

Vinylman
02-08-2018, 02:00 PM
Cavs canít trade the Brooklyn pick now and just got 2 young pieces....Lebron def gone next year!!

Why not? they just get ATL to give them a first this year for a future first....

its and easy work around quite frankly

LA4life24/8
02-08-2018, 02:01 PM
Weird. In a way, Cavs got better both defensively and as a team in the future. Good move for them but if this is all they can do, they can kiss LeBron goodbye anyways. Lakers is looking good to sign Lebron, lmao.

And pg13 ;) shhhhhh

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:01 PM
nah... they didn't get better overall because they don't have another guy who can go get a bucket when they need it.... that is something IT could do that neither Nance nor Clarkson can

Clarkson is streaky as **** and Nance has Zero Offense... I mean like ZIP

Channing barely plays and IT is a terrible shooter so far.. Cavs just got hood/hill. They are improving

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02-08-2018, 02:01 PM
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Vinylman
02-08-2018, 02:02 PM
Weird. In a way, Cavs got better both defensively and as a team in the future. Good move for them but if this is all they can do, they can kiss LeBron goodbye anyways. Lakers is looking good to sign Lebron, lmao.

nah... they didn't get better overall because they don't have another guy who can go get a bucket when they need it.... that is something IT could do that neither Nance nor Clarkson can

Clarkson is streaky as **** and Nance has Zero Offense... I mean like ZIP

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:03 PM
Looking at this move in the immediate for Cleveland, they're gaining in youth + athleticism, but losing in shooting (Nance can't shoot and Clarkson's a ~32% 3pt shooter). IMO it's a loss for them this season, because as bad as IT has been, he's definitely not healthy and they absolutely needed that potential superstar offense to try to get over the hump this season. It's not as if Clarkson is really going to bolster their D (Nance can a bit and has a great contract for next season... but Clarkson does not at 13 mil for a couple years).


Beyond that, you just opened up the cap space that the Lakers needed to be able to sign 2 Max players. The Lakers now only have ~35 million on the books for next season (more than half of which is Luol Deng... yeesh). They could definitely sign 'Bron and PG (tho' PG seems content right now... we'll see how the playoffs go).

Ball/Ingram/Kuzma with another year of experience along with PG and Lebron is not bad if they can add a guy like JJ Reddick for cheap. No center though.

bucketss
02-08-2018, 02:04 PM
rodney hood,clakerson, larry nance, george hill, why are teams helping cleveland?

AllBall
02-08-2018, 02:04 PM
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Mods, please rename this thread to Cleveland cleans house! Sheeeeeeetttt

YAALREADYKNO
02-08-2018, 02:06 PM
Damn cavs busy lmao

Cal827
02-08-2018, 02:07 PM
:laugh2: I swear, I think some teams just want to help Cleveland

Good deal by them though, though that Hill deal might come back to bite

LaVar Ball
02-08-2018, 02:07 PM
Cavs trade Kyrie Irving for:


Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
George Hill
Rodney Hood
Ante Zizic
Brooklyn pick

HandsOnTheWheel
02-08-2018, 02:07 PM
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What in the world??

valade16
02-08-2018, 02:08 PM
Wow, so Cleveland has traded IT, Frye, Crowder and Rose for Clarkson, Nance, Hood and Hill.

That's actually a pretty good haul for them and may fit better.

Celticsfan2007
02-08-2018, 02:08 PM
per Woj

LOL

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:08 PM
D wade traded to miami!

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Traded Wade for nothing WOW!

Cal827
02-08-2018, 02:08 PM
Side note, who the hell do they have inside other than Thompson/Love (When he's better)?

BostonBoy
02-08-2018, 02:09 PM
The trade deadline is apparently Cavs day.

IndyRealist
02-08-2018, 02:09 PM
No picks? Cavs are getting good deals.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:10 PM
Cavs know Lebron is leaving... this seals it along with the other trades with Lakers and SAC/UTAH.

They are going young and athletic to prepare for life after LBJ

But ironically, they are getting better. Younger/more athletic/more energy.

warfelg
02-08-2018, 02:10 PM
Heavily protected 2nd.

dhopisthename
02-08-2018, 02:10 PM
as a jazz fan I don't get this trade at all.

NYKnickFanatic
02-08-2018, 02:10 PM
Wtf is going on lmao 🤣😂🤣

Celticsfan2007
02-08-2018, 02:10 PM
Cavs know Lebron is leaving... this seals it along with the other trades with Lakers and SAC/UTAH.

They are going young and athletic to prepare for life after LBJ

AllBall
02-08-2018, 02:10 PM
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Too many Woj bombs!!! F'n dead! :faint::faint::faint:

LA4life24/8
02-08-2018, 02:11 PM
D wade traded to miami!

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For?

Heavily protected 2nd. Lebron is gone. He's gonna go to LA or Rox

aman_13
02-08-2018, 02:11 PM
Wade didn't play last night. He knew this was happening.

Giannis94
02-08-2018, 02:11 PM
lolol. wade is a cap dump

effen5
02-08-2018, 02:11 PM
What the **** is going on?!?!?!?!

valade16
02-08-2018, 02:11 PM
What was the trade for?

Giannis94
02-08-2018, 02:12 PM
gilbert is saying "FU" to lebron and trading his buddies

kdspurman
02-08-2018, 02:12 PM
WaDe03 where you at? :speechless:

NYKnickFanatic
02-08-2018, 02:12 PM
What was the trade for?

Heavily protected 2nd round pick.

YAALREADYKNO
02-08-2018, 02:12 PM
Are they really trading wade?

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:12 PM
That Wade trade has to be out of a request for Wade... Wade played in Orlando for a reason and didn't go to Minny for a reason.. I think Wade wanted to go back. IMO, Wade is retiring next season..

BostonBoy
02-08-2018, 02:12 PM
Cavs know Lebron is leaving... this seals it along with the other trades with Lakers and SAC/UTAH.

They are going young and athletic to prepare for life after LBJ

I donít know, all of these moves help them this year in my opinion. Hill, nance, clarkson, Hood is better than IT, wade, Frye, crowder for my money. Waiting on details for the wade trade.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:13 PM
Are they really trading wade?

Yes. I think Wade wants to just retire at this point. Cavs would not trade him as he's an insane value. This had to be a request from Wade.

Dade County
02-08-2018, 02:13 PM
D wade traded to miami!

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Traded Wade for nothing WOW!

All is Good!

prodigy
02-08-2018, 02:13 PM
Cavs trading everyone. But yes they are good really good on paper. Rodney Hood, George Hill, Nance, Clarkson so far that i know of. Dumped bad contract of Shump was a blessing.

Cal827
02-08-2018, 02:13 PM
Heat fans are gonna love this... Nice to see Wade (and Wade03 :laugh2: ) finally return to where they belong.

Now please get out of the 7th seed so we don't see you in the first round :laugh2:

lakerfan85
02-08-2018, 02:14 PM
Does Wade03 go back to being a heat fan now?

Heediot
02-08-2018, 02:14 PM
Burn!!

Wade got played after he played Chicago.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:14 PM
Let's see how much synergy you can build with zero practice and 60 days, Cleveland. Dear Lord.


Does Lebron waive his no-trade clause in the next hour and 45 minutes? I mean what is going on here.

Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 02:14 PM
Cavs trade Kyrie Irving for:


Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
George Hill
Rodney Hood
Ante Zizic
Brooklyn pick

More like this:

Cavs trade Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert, Derrick Rose, 2018 Cavs 1st round pick for:


Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
George Hill
Rodney Hood
Ante Zizic
Brooklyn pick

Not bad at all.

GREATNESS ONE
02-08-2018, 02:14 PM
Does Wade03 go back to being a heat fan now?

:laugh: so ****ing funny!

Heediot
02-08-2018, 02:14 PM
Does Wade03 go back to being a heat fan now?

he was probably all fired up for the cavs trades today! he`s probably bittersweet right now, as he is a miami guy too.

Cal827
02-08-2018, 02:15 PM
All is Good!

:laugh2: I'm guessing you're happy to see the face of your franchise return?

AllBall
02-08-2018, 02:16 PM
Welcome back to Wade County baby!!!

I want a Wade Vice Edition Jersey stat! 🔥🔥🔥

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:16 PM
Man they just traded Wade back to Miami. Bron is gonna be pissed.

Request by Wade to be traded there. Cleveland literally got nothing back and Woj reports that Cavs "gave" Wade a chance to go back.

Celticsfan2007
02-08-2018, 02:16 PM
I donít know, all of these moves help them this year in my opinion. Hill, nance, clarkson, Hood is better than IT, wade, Frye, crowder for my money. Waiting on details for the wade trade.

Younger for sure. They lost of TON of playoff experience and shooting though.

CLE isn't winning a ship with this current roster post trades... albeit they weren't winning anything with their roster prior to today either. These trades definitely set them up better for the future though.

These trades are preparation for LBJ's exodus.

Chronz
02-08-2018, 02:17 PM
I feel like this was a request by Dwade

He had this sad face on like he was gonna leave. Honestly sad to see him leave but maybe it's for the best of all involved

THE MTL
02-08-2018, 02:17 PM
I feel like this was a request by Dwade

LOb0
02-08-2018, 02:17 PM
Man they just traded Wade back to Miami. Bron is gonna be pissed.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-08-2018, 02:17 PM
Who is Derek Rose?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-08-2018, 02:19 PM
gilbert is saying "FU" to lebron and trading his buddies

lmfao :laugh:

Vinylman
02-08-2018, 02:19 PM
Let's see how much synergy you can build with zero practice and 60 days, Cleveland. Dear Lord.


Does Lebron waive his no-trade clause in the next hour and 45 minutes? I mean what is going on here.

yeah ... its weird... Cleveland is adding all these salaries for next year and not getting any assets... the young guys aren't even that good... even if LeBron leaves they got Hill and Clarksons deals next year and will have to overpay Hood most likely...

I really don't get it...

I am waiting for the 3 team deal with the Clipps and ATL for Deandre

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:20 PM
I want to point out that no one would take JR Smith lol.

J.R. is a guy who plays well when the team does. He's been trash but I hope with all these new players coming in, he can somehow find his groove back. I think any trade would have helped the Cavs. It felt like players just gave up.

LOb0
02-08-2018, 02:20 PM
Why would you trade him for literally nothing? I know he's declined but nothing?

Tim3ismoney
02-08-2018, 02:20 PM
Cant belive Lebron let his boyfriend go.

Lmfao ***** wtf is a heavily protected SECOND round pick.

sep11ie
02-08-2018, 02:21 PM
WaDe03 where you at? :speechless:

Traded back to the Miami forum

GiantsSwaGG
02-08-2018, 02:21 PM
Wtf are the Jazz doing? HORRIBLE trade for them

Dade County
02-08-2018, 02:21 PM
:laugh2: I'm guessing you're happy to see the face of your franchise return?

YES!!!

Even though he is old as ****. It doesn't matter.

And I just don't want Lbj to follow him.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:21 PM
The D Wade trade was part of the 3 team deal to send that pick to Sacramento (IE Cleveland does not even keep the pick). Wade was traded for a throw-in compensation for a player that will probably never play a minute for the Kings.

LOb0
02-08-2018, 02:21 PM
I want to point out that no one would take JR Smith lol.

Vinylman
02-08-2018, 02:21 PM
I want to point out that no one would take JR Smith lol.

patience... he is needed in the Clippers deal

you'll see

J4KOP99
02-08-2018, 02:22 PM
Let's see how much synergy you can build with zero practice and 60 days, Cleveland. Dear Lord.


Does Lebron waive his no-trade clause in the next hour and 45 minutes? I mean what is going on here.

This is odd.

Vinylman
02-08-2018, 02:22 PM
The D Wade trade was part of the 3 team deal to send that pick to Sacramento (IE Cleveland does not even keep the pick). Wade was traded for a throw-in compensation for a player that will probably never play a minute for the Kings.

they needed to clear a roster spot I would assume... I doubt Cleveland is done

Heediot
02-08-2018, 02:22 PM
Request by Wade to be traded there. Cleveland literally got nothing back and Woj reports that Cavs "gave" Wade a chance to go back.

***** move by Wade, taking Chicago`s money saying he wants to play for a contender.

Giannis94
02-08-2018, 02:22 PM
lmfao :laugh:

That was honestly my first reaction. Something he would do

jason
02-08-2018, 02:22 PM
WaDe03. Still think Cavs rolling through the playoffs? Lol

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:22 PM
Why would you trade him for literally nothing? I know he's declined but nothing?

But they traded him to Miami... Out of 29 teams, you really think they wanted that 2nd round protected from Miami? This was a professional move by Cavs. Knew Wade wouldn't get the minutes as they are heavy in the guard rotation right now and probably asked Wade where he wanted to go. Miami makes sense for his career. He's aged so much.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:23 PM
i hope wade03 didn't throw those miami jerseys out

Jets012
02-08-2018, 02:23 PM
Cavs kill this trade. Holy ****. Talk about getting two guys that are PERFECT fits with LeBron. Hill and LeBron have been tailor made for each other for years now. As long as Hill is motivated, he'll produce with the Cavs. I love these moves for CLE. Think they might just be the favorite out East again.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:23 PM
961665449636384770

Remove the 2020 2nd round pick from their 'in' and into the 'in and out' and this is correct. Crazy.

Lakers + Giants
02-08-2018, 02:25 PM
biggest loser in all of this WaDe03. RIP.

Heediot
02-08-2018, 02:25 PM
If Love can become the 2nd option we all know he is capable of, consistently. Cavs are in a good spot.

ManningToTyree
02-08-2018, 02:25 PM
No idea what Utah is trying to do with this move

aman_13
02-08-2018, 02:25 PM
Let's see how much synergy you can build with zero practice and 60 days, Cleveland. Dear Lord.


Does Lebron waive his no-trade clause in the next hour and 45 minutes? I mean what is going on here.

Imo they got the talent they need to get out of the East now. They still have no chance against the Warriors.

still1ballin
02-08-2018, 02:25 PM
Bah gawd bah gawd!!


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ugottabjoshinme
02-08-2018, 02:25 PM
I'm not really sure why the Jazz did this.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:26 PM
I'm not really sure why the Jazz did this.
I'm not sure either. Jazz are on a roll. You would think they would just keep it going. they literally got nothing.

AllBall
02-08-2018, 02:26 PM
But they traded him to Miami... Out of 29 teams, you really think they wanted that 2nd round protected from Miami? This was a professional move by Cavs. Knew Wade wouldn't get the minutes as they are heavy in the guard rotation right now and probably asked Wade where he wanted to go. Miami makes sense for his career. He's aged so much.

This. Instead of sending Wade to a place he didn't want to be, just send back home.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:26 PM
Cavs definitely got their shooting back though. Hill/Hood can both drain.

LOb0
02-08-2018, 02:26 PM
LeBron: "I will not waive my no trade clause because I owe it to my team to finish the season"


lol that team is gone now Bron, will you waive it now?

LA4life24/8
02-08-2018, 02:27 PM
biggest loser in all of this WaDe03. RIP.
Rose. Literal RIP. Utah?! Ahahaha

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:27 PM
Rose. Literal RIP. Utah?! Ahahaha

**** I guarantee Hood is not happy about leaving a surging young Utah team for Cleveland. Well Hood was on the outs so he might be happy to go anywhere.

Heediot
02-08-2018, 02:27 PM
patience... he is needed in the Clippers deal

you'll see

that would nuclear. cavs would have blown away trade deadline.

LA4life24/8
02-08-2018, 02:27 PM
LeBron: "I will not waive my no trade clause because I owe it to my team to finish the season"


lol that team is gone now Bron, will you waive it now?

LMAO. Nah. He knows hes gone aft3r this year anyway.

COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 02:28 PM
League just got aloe more interesting. Hood is a good pickup. Got Clarkson in the 6th man I guess with Hood coming off the bench?

COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 02:29 PM
I'm not sure either. Jazz are on a roll. You would think they would just keep it going. they literally got nothing.

I think Crowder was shrinking with Lebron but now in a more conspicuous place maybe he can get back on track. Heís potentially a better defender than Hood and perhaps he can find his offensive game again

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:31 PM
I think Crowder was shrinking with Lebron but now in a more conspicuous place maybe he can get back on track. Heís potentially a better defender than Hood and perhaps he can find his offensive game again

You could be right and that's definitely why Utah took that gamble. Crowder's still on a very good contract. $8 million per season. BUT.. from what we've seen so far, Crowder doesn't even look like he belongs in an NBA court. His defense was terrible. I think Brad Stevens just had a tight system where every player gets better than they really are. I mean, take a look at Rosier. He's been 17/7/7 the past seven games. How? No one knows lol.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:32 PM
KD should we get these into a "Cavs Deadline Deals Extravaganza" thread? There's too many and all the thoughts are spread around. Can C/P all the main trade tweets to the OP. Edit: I'll just make it, we can use it or not.

Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 02:33 PM
League just got aloe more interesting. Hood is a good pickup. Got Clarkson in the 6th man I guess with Hood coming off the bench?

I'd say Hill and Hood start with Bron, Thompson, and Love (when he returns)

Bench is Clarkson, JR, Korver, Green, Nance as of now.

Dade County
02-08-2018, 02:33 PM
LeBron: "I will not waive my no trade clause because I owe it to my team to finish the season"


lol that team is gone now Bron, will you waive it now?

Good point

#StayAwayFromMiami

LA_Raiders
02-08-2018, 02:34 PM
Lol, wade is done with bb

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:34 PM
Both Hill and Hood are decent defenders (Hill has a 7ft wingspan which is great and helps him out a lot), Bron good when he wants to be, and Thompson okay.

Nance is a good defender and hustles a ton. I think the Cavs defense swing around pretty quickly.

Players quit. Flat out. Cavs will now have a never rotation. It couldn't have been worse than what they had.. i know that for sure.

Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 02:35 PM
Both Hill and Hood are decent defenders (Hill has a 7ft wingspan which is great and helps him out a lot), Bron good when he wants to be, and Thompson okay.

Nance is a good defender and hustles a ton. I think the Cavs defense swing around pretty quickly.

aman_13
02-08-2018, 02:35 PM
Cavs kill this trade. Holy ****. Talk about getting two guys that are PERFECT fits with LeBron. Hill and LeBron have been tailor made for each other for years now. As long as Hill is motivated, he'll produce with the Cavs. I love these moves for CLE. Think they might just be the favorite out East again.

I like them as the favorites.

kdspurman
02-08-2018, 02:36 PM
KD should we get these into a "Cavs Deadline Deals Extravaganza" thread? There's too many and all the thoughts are spread around. Can C/P all the main trade tweets to the OP. Edit: I'll just make it, we can use it or not.

Yea, we can do that for sure

COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 02:36 PM
I'd say Hill and Hood start with Bron, Thompson, and Love (when he returns)

Bench is Clarkson, JR, Korver, Green, Nance as of now.

Way better team on paper now. If they gel theyíll have no issues getting to the conference finals

AllBall
02-08-2018, 02:36 PM
Good point

#StayAwayFromMiami

#GoWestBron

lol

Tim3ismoney
02-08-2018, 02:37 PM
Rose*dont give af no more

Hes just riding out this Adidas contract then will retire.

Adidas the only reason he still in the league

LOb0
02-08-2018, 02:37 PM
Both Hill and Hood are decent defenders (Hill has a 7ft wingspan which is great and helps him out a lot), Bron good when he wants to be, and Thompson okay.

Nance is a good defender and hustles a ton. I think the Cavs defense swing around pretty quickly.

If they could finish with a DJ trade this would be pretty good.

ewing
02-08-2018, 02:37 PM
Does JR Smith survive the day?

COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 02:38 PM
I'd say Hill and Hood start with Bron, Thompson, and Love (when he returns)

Bench is Clarkson, JR, Korver, Green, Nance as of now.

I meant to say with Hood starting and Clarkson in the 6th man. But yea you guys got better. Addition by addition by subtraction.

What do you think about IT as a Cavs fan?

aman_13
02-08-2018, 02:38 PM
Well props to Altman. He did his thing.

Heediot
02-08-2018, 02:39 PM
Way better team on paper now. If they gel theyíll have no issues getting to the conference finals

They need to gel by the 2nd round of the playoffs. They could float by the 1st round.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:39 PM
961662532313321472

^Traded for a protected 2nd round pick that was then sent to Sacramento.
961648533509111809

961660720642445312

961665449636384770

961676130880237572

I love the NBA!

bucketss
02-08-2018, 02:39 PM
Both Hill and Hood are decent defenders (Hill has a 7ft wingspan which is great and helps him out a lot), Bron good when he wants to be, and Thompson okay.

Nance is a good defender and hustles a ton. I think the Cavs defense swing around pretty quickly.

7ft wing span? that can't be true

COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 02:40 PM
You could be right and that's definitely why Utah took that gamble. Crowder's still on a very good contract. $8 million per season. BUT.. from what we've seen so far, Crowder doesn't even look like he belongs in an NBA court. His defense was terrible. I think Brad Stevens just had a tight system where every player gets better than they really are. I mean, take a look at Rosier. He's been 17/7/7 the past seven games. How? No one knows lol.

Stevenís stock has risen this year in my eyes thatís for sure. His system makes guys better just like Dantoni and Pop.

Ty Fast
02-08-2018, 02:41 PM
That Wade trade has to be out of a request for Wade... Wade played in Orlando for a reason and didn't go to Minny for a reason.. I think Wade wanted to go back. IMO, Wade is retiring next season..

Could even be at the end of this year.

Wes Mantooth
02-08-2018, 02:42 PM
Wtf are the Jazz doing? HORRIBLE trade for them

Why?

The Jazz were never going to pay big money to Hood. Hood has missed 19 games per year and another 20 games ish per year his shot is way off. My point is he only helps the team half the games. Why pay a guy over 15 per year for that. Hood is a below average defender, never gets to the line, and doesn't stop shooting when he is off. When his shot is falling he is awesome. I wish it could have worked out for Rod in Utah.

Jazz like two way players that can shoot and defend. Crowder fits the mold and has an amazing contract. He also brings toughness to a team that needs it. Rose will be a buyout.

LaVar Ball
02-08-2018, 02:42 PM
Rose*dont give af no more

Hes just riding out this Adidas contract then will retire.

Adidas the only reason he still in the league


Utah is gonna release him so that he can sign with a playoff team, per Shams Charania

COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 02:42 PM
Does JR Smith survive the day?

Dude is really struggling. I think heís satisfied that people will always refer to him as an NBA champion. He simply never gets better year to year. And his shot has deserted him in big moments even though heís always struggled with consistency. You could always count on him to hit big shots

COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 02:43 PM
They need to gel by the 2nd round of the playoffs. They could float by the 1st round.

They need to remain a 3 seed or higher for that to happen. That 5th seed is going to be a good team

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:44 PM
I like IT's personality and him as a person. He was hurting the team on the court - it takes awhile to find your rhythm and get back to your previous self after missing a lot of time. He showed flashes of what he could do from time to time and could get to sweet spots on the floor, he just couldn't finish well or ended up turning the ball over. I think that's fixable with time.

I think the major thing was his defense... it was TRASH in the games he played with us. I wasn't really bothered by guys shooting over him - it was the fact that guys were just driving around him with ease.

Not sure if true but a few days ago, someone reported that IT had the WORST defensive rating for a player the past 25 years.

Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 02:44 PM
I meant to say with Hood starting and Clarkson in the 6th man. But yea you guys got better. Addition by addition by subtraction.

What do you think about IT as a Cavs fan?

I like IT's personality and him as a person. He was hurting the team on the court - it takes awhile to find your rhythm and get back to your previous self after missing a lot of time. He showed flashes of what he could do from time to time and could get to sweet spots on the floor, he just couldn't finish well or ended up turning the ball over. I think that's fixable with time.

I think the major thing was his defense... it was TRASH in the games he played with us. I wasn't really bothered by guys shooting over him - it was the fact that guys were just driving around him with ease.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 02:45 PM
What do you guys think, as the dust settles (for now), is this a better team? Is it enough time for them to gel? Are they hedging their bets and planning for the future? A lot to digest.

zn23
02-08-2018, 02:45 PM
Really surprised that the jazz traded Hood. Hes one of the best 6th men in the league.

AllBall
02-08-2018, 02:45 PM
Utah is gonna release him so that he can sign with a playoff team, per Shams Charania

Thibs reunion?

Dade County
02-08-2018, 02:46 PM
I'm just happy!

Ty Fast
02-08-2018, 02:46 PM
It will be nice seeing D-Wade in one of those Miami Vice jerseys :-)

Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 02:47 PM
7ft wing span? that can't be true

Yep.

George Jesse Hill Jr. is an American professional basketball player for the Cleveland Cavaliers of the National Basketball Association. Wikipedia
Born: May 4, 1986 (age 31), Indianapolis, IN
Height: 6′ 2″
Wingspan: 7′ 0″
Current team: Sacramento Kings (#3 / Point guard)

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:48 PM
Better? Time will tell. But I can't imagine they've gotten worse than what they were. Players just quit. You watch that Orlando Magic game and you can tell they just didn't want to be there. Defensive issues were the root of their problem. They've got guys who can bring energy and know how to guard now. Offensively, their shooting has improved big time. Crowder+IT were supposed to be two of Cavs best shooters. Crowder hasn't looked good shooting the ball at all while IT was 23% for the season. George Hill+Rodney Hood are alone worth it for the shooting. I think they're a significantly better team but I'm not sure how good they will be. It's all on lebron now. Quit whining cause you got a team that looks good on paper both as a fit and value.

LA4life24/8
02-08-2018, 02:49 PM
Rose*dont give af no more

Hes just riding out this Adidas contract then will retire.

Adidas the only reason he still in the league

LMAO. Gettin released. Who gomma pick him up

WaDe03
02-08-2018, 02:49 PM
:laugh: so ****ing funny!

I'm home! :laugh:

WaDe03
02-08-2018, 02:49 PM
WaDe03. Still think Cavs rolling through the playoffs? Lol

First round exit if they meet he Heat.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:49 PM
Yep.

George Jesse Hill Jr. is an American professional basketball player for the Cleveland Cavaliers of the National Basketball Association. Wikipedia
Born: May 4, 1986 (age 31), Indianapolis, IN
Height: 6′ 2″
Wingspan: 7′ 0″
Current team: Sacramento Kings (#3 / Point guard)

Best part of George Hill is he played for the spurs. He knows how to play basketball at its purity.

WaDe03
02-08-2018, 02:50 PM
LeBron is coming this summer

KnicksorBust
02-08-2018, 02:51 PM
I think they got worse. I don't see them making the Finals anymore. Wade for nothing is the most bizarre to me. Lebron must not like IT.

COOLbeans
02-08-2018, 02:51 PM
Thibs reunion?

If he can still handle the ball and give you 14ppg then Iíd take him on the Warriors. Dubs need to upgrade their bench and Iím not Ok with them standing pat

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:51 PM
LeBron is coming this summer

So why trade Wade? he was on a one year deal anyways.

KnicksorBust
02-08-2018, 02:51 PM
The irony is lebron always complains his team doesn't have enough playmakers so they get guys like deron williams, rose, wade, thomas and now they just traded away all the "playmakers". Its' all lebron show now.

mightybosstone
02-08-2018, 02:51 PM
Like everyone else, I love this deal for Cleveland and hate it for Utah. Cleveland's roster is starting to make more sense on paper. But I still think they need to get better in terms of their interior defense.

AllBall
02-08-2018, 02:52 PM
961673010263547904

I'm a wizard!

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:53 PM
I think they got worse. I don't see them making the Finals anymore. Wade for nothing is the most bizarre to me. Lebron must not like IT.

How do you get worse than what they already are? IT+Channing+Shump+Crowder+Rose. None of those players were contributing at all.

Dade County
02-08-2018, 02:53 PM
I'm home! :laugh:

:laugh:


LeBron is coming this summer

#StayAwayFromMiami

bucketss
02-08-2018, 02:54 PM
Yep.

George Jesse Hill Jr. is an American professional basketball player for the Cleveland Cavaliers of the National Basketball Association. Wikipedia
Born: May 4, 1986 (age 31), Indianapolis, IN
Height: 6′ 2″
Wingspan: 7′ 0″
Current team: Sacramento Kings (#3 / Point guard)

6'2 with a 7ft wingspan pretty nice measurements

Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 02:57 PM
6'2 with a 7ft wingspan pretty amazing measurements

Yeah, he's a pretty average defender but the wingspan makes him above-average (when he wants to be). He has great hands.

He isn't a pure point guard or shooting guard, but I don't think it's a huge deal with LeBron on the team since Bron does a ton of play-making. Not to mention Hill is a terrific 3-point shooter and has good handles.

TrueFan420
02-08-2018, 02:58 PM
Damn that's a lot of moves

kyubi256
02-08-2018, 02:59 PM
I don't understand what the Cavs are doing at all.... Are they rebuilding? So you deal a franchise superstar in Kyrie Irving to keep Lebron happy and now you are gonna lose Lebron in the offseason. Well, dark times coming to Cleveland soon.

AllBall
02-08-2018, 03:00 PM
961675278056554497

redsox12
02-08-2018, 03:00 PM
These moves feel like the Cavs are preparing for life without LeBron. Cost effective guards, not trading for a big star, keeping Love and TT. Feels like one run with LeBron and role players then super Rockets for LeBron next year with Harden and Paul.

2018-2019 Cavs

SG Clarkson
PG Hill/Hood
SF New Franchise Player taken with Nets Pick
PF Love
C Thompson

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 03:00 PM
These moves feel like the Cavs are preparing for life without LeBron. Cost effective guards, not trading for a big star, keeping Love and TT. Feels like one run with LeBron and role players then super Rockets for LeBron next year with Harden and Paul.

2018-2019 Cavs

SG Clarkson
PG Hill/Hood
SF New Franchise Player taken with Nets Pick
PF Love
C Thompson

There were no big stars left to go after. Market is really picky. No one wants to take on large contracts.

kyubi256
02-08-2018, 03:00 PM
I honestly don't understand what the Jazz or Cavs are doing in this. Is Cleveland preparing for life after Lebron with these moves? Because they're not looking good at all IMO

Oakmont_4
02-08-2018, 03:01 PM
How do you get worse than what they already are? IT+Channing+Shump+Crowder+Rose. None of those players were contributing at all.

While true, I don't think they're better either. Now they have the difficult task of trying to gel in a half season.

kyubi256
02-08-2018, 03:01 PM
I think Cleveland got a bunch worst also

Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 03:02 PM
OUT
-Isaiah Thomas
-Dwyane Wade
-Derrick Rose
-Jae Crowder
-Iman Shumpert
-Channing Frye
-2018 own 1st

IN
-Jordan Clarkson
-Larry Nance Jr
-George Hill
-Rodney Hood
-Heavily-protected future 2nd

The only ones I'm gonna miss losing out on from that group is Wade and Frye.

I'm too excited to post a huge 234908234 word post right now though. I think we'll be better. Minimally I think we need a 3rd star to compete with whoever comes out from the West, but I think we have a better chance at making it out of the East right now.

LaVar Ball
02-08-2018, 03:02 PM
More like this:

Cavs trade Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert, Derrick Rose, 2018 Cavs 1st round pick for:


Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
George Hill
Rodney Hood
Ante Zizic
Brooklyn pick

Not bad at all.

DRose was moreso just a very small free agent signing and nothing else. Maybe put Channing Frye there instead of DRose. Then yeah, that makes sense.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 03:02 PM
Okc could use Rose

No thanks. If I have to see Rose pull up for a midrange shot one more time....

JLynn943
02-08-2018, 03:03 PM
No clue what the point of this was for the Kings. Shumpert should probably opt in because he won't get $12M/yr on the open market. Joe Johnson doesn't matter at all, but at least he's expiring. We get a 2nd and cap space, but we lose an actual asset in Hill, who I think we could have gotten good value for next year at this time since he's basically an expiring next year (third year only guaranteed for $1M). Cap space is wasted on us because no one wants to come here.

Bostonjorge
02-08-2018, 03:03 PM
Okc could use Rose

LaVar Ball
02-08-2018, 03:04 PM
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Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 03:04 PM
I honestly don't understand what the Jazz or Cavs are doing in this. Is Cleveland preparing for life after Lebron with these moves? Because they're not looking good at all IMO

We've been a top 5 offensive team without Isaiah Thomas and we (pretty massively) improve our defense with these trades.

We still need a big man, though.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 03:04 PM
why do i feel like he was ALWAYS with the cavs still? This guy is like living in LeBron's locker or something.. idk why Cavs want him. they need more size. Perkins is just a fat blob.

archdevil84
02-08-2018, 03:06 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. THIS IS SO AWESOME! wade is BACK!

archdevil84
02-08-2018, 03:07 PM
finally i dont have to watch cavs games anymore LOL

kyubi256
02-08-2018, 03:07 PM
True but these moves don't really scream "We can compete with the Super Powers" so you should stay here Lebron....

Muttman73
02-08-2018, 03:07 PM
Wade can just retire now ...

tredigs
02-08-2018, 03:07 PM
How do you get worse than what they already are? IT+Channing+Shump+Crowder+Rose. None of those players were contributing at all.

Forgetting D Wade. It's interesting though. I think their floor is definitely higher now, but the ceiling is an issue. To me it simply illustrates just how dysfunctional this team was from a locker room standpoint, because this team was still the favorite to represent the East in the NBA Finals. When has a team with that standard ever done something like this? Never, ever. You simply can't destroy that much chemistry mid-season for non-stars unless there is no chemistry to begin with.

But man, there's literally no practices that go down between now and the playoffs (maybe 5 or 6 potentially, max... but the Cavs are on record saying they don't practice). I just don't see how you can mash together players from all these different teams/schemes in this amount of time and expect them to form any sort of cohesion. I really think a well oiled team like Toronto and potentially Boston are going to take them out now.


OUT
-Isaiah Thomas
-Dwyane Wade
-Derrick Rose
-Jae Crowder
-Iman Shumpert
-Channing Frye
-2018 own 1st

IN
-Jordan Clarkson
-Larry Nance Jr
-George Hill
-Rodney Hood
-Heavily-protected future 2nd

The only ones I'm gonna miss losing out on from that group is Wade and Frye.

I'm too excited to post a huge 234908234 word post right now though. I think we'll be better. Minimally I think we need a 3rd star to compete with whoever comes out from the West, but I think we have a better chance at making it out of the East right now.

I do think you're better on paper. I just don't think a team can re-vamp that much of a roster with 30 games + no practices to go and expect to compete for a title, especially without netting a true game changer (ala a healthy IT...).

mightybosstone
02-08-2018, 03:08 PM
So as of 1:02 p.m. CST, the Cavs roster looks something like:

PG: George Hill / Jordan Clarkson / Jose Calderon
SG: Rodney Hood / J.R. Smith
SF: Lebron James / Cedi Osman
PF: Kevin Love / Jeff Green
C: Tristan Thompson / Larry Nance Jr. / Ante Zizic

This team will almost certainly be better if only because so many guys on the roster that they dealt have been so bad. Hill gives them a guy who can actually defend opposing point guards, and he and Hood are actually reliable, quality shooters who Lebron can rely on to hit shots. IT and Crowder have failed miserably in that regard. I'm lukewarm on Clarkson and Nance, but they can at least provide some energy off the bench, which is more than I can say for half the guys on their roster before the deals this morning.

This squad feels a little more like the Cleveland teams Lebron had in his first stint with the Cavs where he's going to be required to do the vast majority of the playmaking, but he's surrounded by role players and shooters. I still think they need more interior defense, but this is at least a step in the right direction defensively.

Honestly, in an Eastern Conference that is still wide open, that might be enough to make the Finals. The one deal that doesn't make sense to me is Wade. Something is going on there, but my gut tells me this could be his last season and he just wants to go out with the franchise where he spent most of this career.

Vinylman
02-08-2018, 03:08 PM
who bumped this thread from 2014?

redsox12
02-08-2018, 03:08 PM
The thing is, to keep LeBron the Cavs will need to send Hill and some of these other players in a sign and trade for Paul during the offseason, and it just became harder to get Paul with Hill and Clarkson in the way.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 03:08 PM
So as of 1:02 p.m. CST, the Cavs roster looks something like:

PG: George Hill / Jordan Clarkson / Jose Calderon
SG: Rodney Hood / J.R. Smith
SF: Lebron James / Cedi Osman
PF: Kevin Love / Jeff Green
C: Tristan Thompson / Larry Nance Jr. / Ante Zizic

This team will almost certainly be better if only because so many guys on the roster that they dealt have been so bad. Hill gives them a guy who can actually defend opposing point guards, and he and Hood are actually reliable, quality shooters who Lebron can rely on to hit shots. IT and Crowder have failed miserably in that regard. I'm lukewarm on Clarkson and Nance, but they can at least provide some energy off the bench, which is more than I can say for half the guys on their roster before the deals this morning.

This squad feels a little more like the Cleveland teams Lebron had in his first stint with the Cavs where he's going to be required to do the vast majority of the playmaking, but he's surrounded by role players and shooters. I still think they need more interior defense, but this is at least a step in the right direction defensively.

Honestly, in an Eastern Conference that is still wide open, that might be enough to make the Finals. The one deal that doesn't make sense to me is Wade. Something is going on there, but my gut tells me this could be his last season and he just wants to go out with the franchise where he spent most of this career.

They lost size and got way too many guards who need the ball to score. Wade would take too many possessions so Cavs consulted with Wade's agent, LeBron, and Wade about him going back to Miami. Man, this might just be buyer's remose. Cleveland doesn't fit Wade and his wife's lifestyle.

mightybosstone
02-08-2018, 03:10 PM
What???? The dude hasn't played in the NBA in two years. Is that really the best they could do? They're not even going to wait for buyouts to see if any centers are available?

Of all the moves the Cavs have made today, this one might be the most confusing...

JLynn943
02-08-2018, 03:10 PM
lol, why?

tredigs
02-08-2018, 03:10 PM
The thing is, to keep LeBron the Cavs will need to send Hill and some of these other players in a sign and trade for Paul during the offseason, and it just became harder to get Paul with Hill and Clarkson in the way.

Correct. They would be like 50 million into the luxury tax as is. This is a one and done hoorah for a large chunk of the roster.

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 03:10 PM
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Lmao. this is hilarious... I'm guessing they are trying to move J.R. for some frontcourt presence and nothing is happening.

AllBall
02-08-2018, 03:10 PM
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LOb0
02-08-2018, 03:10 PM
2018 title

CONFIRMED

Heediot
02-08-2018, 03:11 PM
he sucks

kyubi256
02-08-2018, 03:12 PM
Are the Lakers gonna keep IT? Or trade him away? Cause I can't see IT and Ball playing together TBH

kyubi256
02-08-2018, 03:12 PM
Can't see Paul leaving OKC for Cleveland. OKC has a better team and dynamic than Cleveland

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 03:13 PM
Are the Lakers gonna keep IT? Or trade him away? Cause I can't see IT and Ball playing together TBH

season is already almost over. this was a salary dump for them next season. Lakers should wait for 2019 and let Ingram/kuzma/Ball develop more. Then see where you go from there. If all three of those guys make huge improvements, they don't need more wing players.

_Supreme_
02-08-2018, 03:14 PM
This is a glorious day! :clap:

Tim3ismoney
02-08-2018, 03:14 PM
Isaiah Thomas reported has stated he wonít play for lakers if ball starts

AllBall
02-08-2018, 03:15 PM
Are the Lakers gonna keep IT? Or trade him away? Cause I can't see IT and Ball playing together TBH

Reports are they intend to keep him and play heavily.

R. Johnson#3
02-08-2018, 03:15 PM
Lebron needs someone to take cheap shots in the post season.

mightybosstone
02-08-2018, 03:15 PM
The thing is, to keep LeBron the Cavs will need to send Hill and some of these other players in a sign and trade for Paul during the offseason, and it just became harder to get Paul with Hill and Clarkson in the way.

The Rockets will not be doing that. Paul is a Rocket next year. Book it.

HandsOnTheWheel
02-08-2018, 03:16 PM
WTF Porkins is still around?

Vee-Rex
02-08-2018, 03:18 PM
True but these moves don't really scream "We can compete with the Super Powers" so you should stay here Lebron....

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The Cavs traded half their team. Got younger. More flexible. Better defensively. And they kept the Brooklyn pick

Vardon sums it up well.

And no, I don't expect to suddenly compete with the Super Powers, but this brings some stability to a team that was downright crashing, at least on paper anyway. On paper we should be able to compete with the top East teams.

The Nets pick is the only thing that could possibly bring in another all-star level talent and we still have it. It's possible we use it during the offseason to try to convince LeBron to stay.

YAALREADYKNO
02-08-2018, 03:18 PM
😂😂😂 kinda move is this?

AllBall
02-08-2018, 03:19 PM
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archdevil84
02-08-2018, 03:22 PM
lol isnt this obvious? Zaza robbed san antonio last year so the cavs took measure into their own hands and got perkins to kill durant in game 1 of the finals

tredigs
02-08-2018, 03:23 PM
They're signing Perkins to try to help make sense of all the different personalities that are now there. He obviously can't help them on the court (and he can't help them gel on the court), but they're probably hoping he can help from a vet locker-room standpoint.

ewing
02-08-2018, 03:25 PM
lol, why?

LeBron said so

KnicksorBust
02-08-2018, 03:25 PM
Forgetting D Wade. It's interesting though. I think their floor is definitely higher now, but the ceiling is an issue. .

The rest of the post was good but this sums it up nicely.

With these younger players they should recover and end the season with a top 4 seed. But that's scared trading. I am amazed everyone seems blown away by George Hill, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Clarkson. They are solid players but IT was a 30ppg scorer and they just gave up on him after 15 games. They were okay trading a 25 year old star player Kyrie Irving to get him but after 15 games coming back from an injury they dumped him for role players. Terrible deal. If they just made the Hill and Hood moves I might think differently but without IT it's ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the LeBron show and that won't be enough to beat Boston. It might not even be enough to be Toronto or Washington.

Jamiecballer
02-08-2018, 03:32 PM
Forgetting D Wade. It's interesting though. I think their floor is definitely higher now, but the ceiling is an issue. To me it simply illustrates just how dysfunctional this team was from a locker room standpoint, because this team was still the favorite to represent the East in the NBA Finals. When has a team with that standard ever done something like this? Never, ever. You simply can't destroy that much chemistry mid-season for non-stars unless there is no chemistry to begin with.

But man, there's literally no practices that go down between now and the playoffs (maybe 5 or 6 potentially, max... but the Cavs are on record saying they don't practice). I just don't see how you can mash together players from all these different teams/schemes in this amount of time and expect them to form any sort of cohesion. I really think a well oiled team like Toronto and potentially Boston are going to take them out now.



I do think you're better on paper. I just don't think a team can re-vamp that much of a roster with 30 games + no practices to go and expect to compete for a title, especially without netting a true game changer (ala a healthy IT...).

you've literally taken every word from my mouth on this one.

tredigs
02-08-2018, 03:36 PM
The rest of the post was good but this sums it up nicely.

With these younger players they should recover and end the season with a top 4 seed. But that's scared trading. I am amazed everyone seems blown away by George Hill, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Clarkson. They are solid players but IT was a 30ppg scorer and they just gave up on him after 15 games. They were okay trading a 25 year old star player Kyrie Irving to get him but after 15 games coming back from an injury they dumped him for role players. Terrible deal. If they just made the Hill and Hood moves I might think differently but without IT it's ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the LeBron show and that won't be enough to beat Boston. It might not even be enough to be Toronto or Washington.

Yeah, they're also on the hook for a George Hill in his 30's that's averaging 10/2/3 on the Kings (granted efficiently) and Jordan Clarkson (inefficient, non-winning type player to this point) for ~32 million combined for multiple years. That's a third of your cap into 2020 on players that don't move the needle much. And while I'd say I'd much rather take my chances on IT rounding back into form, there was definitely internal issues there. I don't know, this fascinates me though.

angelsfan1984
02-08-2018, 03:36 PM
Isaiah Thomas reported has stated he wonít play for lakers if ball starts

source?

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 03:36 PM
cavs will have practice time in ASB. Without LeBron/Love but they'll probably be practicing the entire week. Also, george hill doesn't need practice time. Clarkson is the one who will need to adjust the most.

Hawkeye15
02-08-2018, 03:36 PM
Lakers clearing cap space, which is their goal, so for that, they get a win. however, I am not sure who they think they are getting, the Lakers aren't the attractive place they used to be. I guess time will tell..