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WaDe03
02-01-2018, 10:24 AM
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Starting to sound like that KD ****. If he goes to the Warriors I'm done! The Cavs inconsistent FO worries him and he likes GS stability. What do you all think about this?

warfelg
02-01-2018, 10:26 AM
Kill the NBA if it happens.

YAALREADYKNO
02-01-2018, 10:30 AM
^

bklynny67
02-01-2018, 10:31 AM
Kill the NBA if it happens.
NBA died long ago

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 10:33 AM
Get all the way the **** outta here with that bull****.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 10:34 AM
NBA died long ago

Nah it's been in a pretty good place, KD kind of ****ed things up recently though.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 10:34 AM
Get all the way the **** outta here with that bull****.

We're coming to the Rockets!

Wes Mantooth
02-01-2018, 10:35 AM
It is not going to happen, but if it did I would boycott the NBA. This would be the most ridiculous event in the history of sports. I like Adam Silver but if he allows this to happen he should be fired immediately.

LA4life24/8
02-01-2018, 10:39 AM
If this does happen all y'all better quit your *****in about durant going to the warriors. Bron goin there would be just as ***** of a move

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 10:39 AM
We're coming to the Rockets!

That I can accept. Him going to Warriors would be so much worse than KD imo. I would stop rooting for him entirely.

If (I know longshot) the Rockets somehow managed to win it all, that's the only way I'd kinda turn a side eye to him coming here because that's kinda like KD. Him going to the Warriors would be disgusting on so many levels. :puke:

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 10:44 AM
Can't even really say LeBron ruined the league by going though because KD already did lol!

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 10:46 AM
As a warriors fan, I wouldn’t want him.

LA4life24/8
02-01-2018, 10:47 AM
^^^^ no but it would still be just as bhitch of a move as KD. It's surrender. It's saying if i can't beat em join em. 1 big difference too is KD could just straight up join em, to get bron they gonna have to axe klay or dray and bench pieces

Lakers will be more than willing to take on klay though :)

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 10:47 AM
Lebron started this whole mess with the Miami Heat Big 3.

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 10:56 AM
Lebron started this whole mess with the Miami Heat Big 3.

No, he really didn't. I'm tired of hearing that. He left a team that had crappy ownership and didn't get him enough help and FORMED his team with friends.

Basically they got on the mountain together and climbed to the top together.

KD just got dropped off by helicopter as the warriors had already reached the top of the mountain which is why KD is a *****.

LaVar Ball
02-01-2018, 10:57 AM
Lebron started this whole mess with the Miami Heat Big 3.

KG - Allen - Pierce in summer of 2007

Heediot
02-01-2018, 11:02 AM
Lebron started this whole mess with the Miami Heat Big 3.

To some degree this is a true and under-rated comment/aspect people like to ignore. In the era of Max contracts he was the first to form a free agent super-team. Back in the 90's you didn't have max contracts so teaming via FA up wasn't really feasible. As much as those 90'-80's legends say they would never pull what KD or Bron did, they didn't grow up in the same era as the current guys and it's really easy to say in hindsight. LeBron took the easy way out, maybe not to the same degree as KD, but once he signed with the heat they were one of the easiest favorites for a title in nba history the pre-season he signed.

KD still did the biggest ***** move, but Bron's was pretty big as well, just KD trumped it hard. Just my view.

LA4life24/8
02-01-2018, 11:03 AM
Lebron started this whole mess with the Miami Heat Big 3.

Boston. Boston big 3 kicked his arse so he said ima get like them. ****ing celtics

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 11:04 AM
Lebron started this whole mess with the Miami Heat Big 3.

No he didn't and this doesn't have to be explained every time either of them are mentioned. It's not near the same.

LA4life24/8
02-01-2018, 11:05 AM
To some degree this is a true and under-rated comment/aspect people like to ignore. In the era of Max contracts he was the first to form a free agent super-team. Back in the 90's you didn't have max contracts so teaming via FA up wasn't really feasible. As much as those 90'-80's legends say they would never pull what KD or Bron did, they didn't grow up in the same era as the current guys and it's really easy to say in hindsight. LeBron took the easy way out, maybe not to the same degree as KD, but once he signed with the heat they were one of the easiest favorites for a title in nba history the pre-season he signed.

KD still did the biggest ***** move, but Bron's was pretty big as well, just KD trumped it hard. Just my view.

If bron goes to warriors i think it will be as equally a biotch move as KDs imo. Goin to A team that beat you 3/4 finals and woulda been 4/4 has dray not got a bs suspension.

Ty Fast
02-01-2018, 11:07 AM
How bout Bron for Klay in a sign and trade

Heediot
02-01-2018, 11:09 AM
If bron goes to warriors i think it will be as equally a biotch move as KDs imo. Goin to A team that beat you 3/4 finals and woulda been 4/4 has dray not got a bs suspension.

No question. I agee.

I just think people's disdain for KD and his choice of the Warrior clouds/lessened their opinion of what Bron did when he signed in Miami. LeBron took the easy way out too. KD took it to a unprecedented level. If Bron joins, which I doubt, no one can top that.

HandsOnTheWheel
02-01-2018, 11:09 AM
People will believe anything nowadays. Ok, he "could" meet with them. He "could" also meet with the Nets or Kings, doesn't mean anything. Before everyone jumps to conclusions, get real for a second.

smith&wesson
02-01-2018, 11:11 AM
I think he ends up with the Rockets.

Paul
Harden - Gordon
Lebron - Green
Ariza
Capela - Nene

That's 8 man rotation can hang with the Warriors.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 11:12 AM
Lebron did wear his shoes last night in Warriors Blue/Yellow colors.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 11:12 AM
People will believe anything nowadays. Ok, he "could" meet with them. He "could" also meet with the Nets or Kings, doesn't mean anything. Before everyone jumps to conclusions, get real for a second.

No he wouldn't meet with either of those teams you mentioned. This is pretty much saying if the Warriors are interested and have a way to make the money work he's going to give them a meeting.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 11:13 AM
I think he ends up with the Rockets.

Paul
Harden - Gordon
Lebron - Green
Ariza
Capela - Nene

That's 8 man rotation can hang with the Warriors.

Capela and Gordon will have to go I believe.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 11:14 AM
No, he really didn't. I'm tired of hearing that. He left a team that had crappy ownership and didn't get him enough help and FORMED his team with friends.

Basically they got on the mountain together and climbed to the top together.

KD just got dropped off by helicopter as the warriors had already reached the top of the mountain which is why KD is a *****.

So KD did it better. They both had the same mindset.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 11:14 AM
Rockets will have to gut that whole team to fit a 35mil Max player.

Anderson Gordon Ariza and Capella.

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 11:19 AM
So KD did it better. They both had the same mindset.

Everyone has the "I want to win" mindset.

Not everyone has the "I'm going to be a kitty cat and join a team that just beat us in playoffs and I think I'm the best player in the world" mindset. Kind of different.


Rockets will have to gut that whole team to fit a 35mil Max player.

Anderson Gordon Ariza and Capella.

Wrong. The idea would be for Lebron to opt in (like cp3 did) and sign and trade some stuff.

Ariza is a free agent that could come back on low contract. Capela might have to be gone but he's rfa. Anderson and Gordon is w/e if you get LeBron .

HandsOnTheWheel
02-01-2018, 11:21 AM
No he wouldn't meet with either of those teams you mentioned. This is pretty much saying if the Warriors are interested and have a way to make the money work he's going to give them a meeting.

Great, DurNt was deciding between OKC, Celtics, and Miami Heat during his first free agency, then shocked the world by signing with gs. You have to remember that these "stars" are primadonnas and are advised by NBA PR people on how to conduct themselves with the public, media, and social media. Durant probably had it in mind to sign with GS from the start, they just didn't publicize it. I'm not buying this, if true though it may be a ploy to try and pressure/force Cavs FO to trade that Nets pick/IT to try to compete this year. Can't trust anything media related nowadays

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 11:22 AM
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I'll take that.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 11:24 AM
So KD did it better. They both had the same mindset.

No LeBron joined Wade Bosh and a bunch of scrubs to be on a level playing field with the Celtics who had 4 all stars already. He joined a team to beat Boston.

LeBron joining the Celtics would be the same.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 11:25 AM
Great, DurNt was deciding between OKC, Celtics, and Miami Heat during his first free agency, then shocked the world by signing with gs. You have to remember that these "stars" are primadonnas and are advised by NBA PR people on how to conduct themselves with the public, media, and social media. Durant probably had it in mind to sign with GS from the start, they just didn't publicize it. I'm not buying this, if true though it may be a ploy to try and pressure/force Cavs FO to trade that Nets pick/IT to try to compete this year. Can't trust anything media related nowadays

There were other teams too but the KD to the Warriors thing was a year long ordeal. They had talked about it all yearn.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 11:26 AM
Everyone has the "I want to win" mindset.

Not everyone has the "I'm going to be a kitty cat and join a team that just beat us in playoffs and I think I'm the best player in the world" mindset. Kind of different.



Wrong. The idea would be for Lebron to opt in (like cp3 did) and sign and trade some stuff.

Ariza is a free agent that could come back on low contract. Capela might have to be gone but he's rfa. Anderson and Gordon is w/e if you get LeBron .

Getting Wade would ease the blow of losing Gordon.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 11:29 AM
No LeBron joined Wade Bosh and a bunch of scrubs to be on a level playing field with the Celtics who had 4 all stars already. He joined a team to beat Boston.

LeBron joining the Celtics would be the same.

Let's not complicate it, they both wanted an easier path to the finals.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 11:30 AM
Let's not complicate it, they both wanted an easier path to the finals.

They're completely different situations.

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 11:30 AM
Getting Wade would ease the blow of losing Gordon.

Agreed, I figure getting Lebron is a package deal with Wade.

Then who knows what other banana boat member would join if they didn't mind sacrificing millions.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 11:31 AM
Everyone has the "I want to win" mindset.

Not everyone has the "I'm going to be a kitty cat and join a team that just beat us in playoffs and I think I'm the best player in the world" mindset. Kind of different.



They both had the "let's team up with with the best players possible to win" mindset.

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 11:32 AM
They both had the "let's team up with with the best players possible to win" mindset.

You're simplifying something that is much more complex than just that. But think whatever you want.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 11:33 AM
They're completely different situations.

They are but the mentality is the same. Are we really forgetting how much people complained about him joining the Heat. He got more **** for it than KD.

Remember the Jordan quote, LeBron was vilified.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 11:33 AM
You're simplifying something that is much more complex than just that. But think whatever you want.

Lol because in the end it's really that simple.

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 11:36 AM
Lol because in the end it's really that simple.

You're right.

Robert Horry has more rings than MJ.

Robert Horry is better than MJ. Simple

kdspurman
02-01-2018, 11:43 AM
Get all the way the **** outta here with that bull****.

We need the Rockets & Spurs to form into 1 team if this goes down IMO.

Vee-Rex
02-01-2018, 11:45 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU7sIRnVAAAQJ61?format=jpg

kdspurman
02-01-2018, 11:45 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU7sIRnVAAAQJ61?format=jpg

I was just about to post this :laugh2:

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 11:46 AM
We need the Rockets & Spurs to form into 1 team if this goes down IMO.

Agreed. The Texas "Spur Rockets/Rocket Spurs" based out of Austin to be fair geographically for all. lol :hi5:

aman_13
02-01-2018, 11:46 AM
You're right.

Robert Horry has more rings than MJ.

Robert Horry is better than MJ. Simple

My point had context. It just didn't fit your narrative. Oh well.

kdspurman
02-01-2018, 11:47 AM
Agreed. The Texas "Spur Rockets/Rocket Spurs" based out of Austin to be fair geographically for all. lol :high5:

Texas Rockurs or Spurckets. Austin is fair :hi5:

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 11:48 AM
My point had context. It just didn't fit your narrative. Oh well.

My point about Lebron/Durant joining teams had even more context. You just simplified it to fit your narrative.

:whistle:

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 11:49 AM
Texas Rockurs or Spurckets. Austin is fair :hi5:

Spurckets/Rockurs are funny :laugh:

aman_13
02-01-2018, 12:01 PM
My point about Lebron/Durant joining teams had even more context. You just simplified it to fit your narrative.

:whistle:

So we both win!

Seriously though, I acknowledged your narrative. But the mindset is the same. One colluded, the other was presented with a rare opportunity, and took it. Both wanted it easier. KD did it worse or better depending on how you want to look at it

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 12:04 PM
So we both win!

Seriously though, I acknowledged your narrative. But the mindset is the same. One colluded, the other was presented with a rare opportunity, and took it. Both wanted it easier. KD did it worse or better depending on how you want to look at it

I can agree with this.

archdevil84
02-01-2018, 12:08 PM
i wish bron and wade would go back to miami. screw the rockets, warriors, lakers and cavs

KingstonHawke
02-01-2018, 12:16 PM
I said that the Thunder should trade Durant to the Warriors for Thompson and Barnes, and I've been saying this year that the Cavs should trade LeBron (and Wade) to the Cavs for Thompson, Iggy, Bell, and McCaw.

Just makes too much sense for everyone involved. The Cavs aren't beating the Warriors. And if LeBron leaves they are going to be really bad for a really long time. So give LeBron an excuse to play with the Warriors and cement his legacy without being killed for going their as a free agent.

Cavs get back Thompson, who could be a two way superstar if made the primary scoring option. Iggy who's a solid two-way role player. And two young players who look to have a lot of potential.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yclczrhc

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 12:19 PM
I said that the Thunder should trade Durant to the Warriors for Thompson and Barnes, and I've been saying this year that the Cavs should trade LeBron (and Wade) to the Cavs for Thompson, Iggy, Bell, and McCaw.

Just makes too much sense for everyone involved. The Cavs aren't beating the Warriors. And if LeBron leaves they are going to be really bad for a really long time. So give LeBron an excuse to play with the Warriors and cement his legacy without being killed for going their as a free agent.

Cavs get back Thompson, who could be a two way superstar if made the primary scoring option. Iggy who's a solid two-way role player. And two young players who look to have a lot of potential.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yclczrhc

I don't think the Warriors would make that trade. Front office seems to be very loyal to their players.

mike_noodles
02-01-2018, 12:22 PM
It would be a sad day for the league if this ends up happening. Very sad day indeed.

Hangin n Wangin
02-01-2018, 12:28 PM
NBA died long ago

This.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 12:29 PM
I don't think the Warriors would make that trade. Front office seems to be very loyal to their players.

They would absolutely make that trade, the thing is, it doesn't help anyone's legacy just like KD isn't helping his legacy now.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 12:33 PM
I said that the Thunder should trade Durant to the Warriors for Thompson and Barnes, and I've been saying this year that the Cavs should trade LeBron (and Wade) to the Cavs for Thompson, Iggy, Bell, and McCaw.

Just makes too much sense for everyone involved. The Cavs aren't beating the Warriors. And if LeBron leaves they are going to be really bad for a really long time. So give LeBron an excuse to play with the Warriors and cement his legacy without being killed for going their as a free agent.

Cavs get back Thompson, who could be a two way superstar if made the primary scoring option. Iggy who's a solid two-way role player. And two young players who look to have a lot of potential.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yclczrhc

Curry/Livingston
Wade/Young
Durant/Casspi
LeBron/West
Green/Zaza

IT/Rose
Klay/JR
Crowder/Korver
Love/Green
TT/Frye

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 12:35 PM
Rockets will have to gut that whole team to fit a 35mil Max player.

Anderson Gordon Ariza and Capella.

Isn’t Chris Paul a FA? I don’t think they will have to gut the entire team. I also think Lebron will be on the Rockets next season.

KnicksorBust
02-01-2018, 12:37 PM
I'm not going to cry and skewer a team/player about a rumor that has no legs. Pass on this thread. Clickbait got me though. :)

LA4life24/8
02-01-2018, 12:38 PM
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I'll take that.

I didn't think of it like that... But that's not a bad poiny at all

LA4life24/8
02-01-2018, 12:41 PM
My guess is still rox or spurs but you'd think he'd wanma stay in the weaker east

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 12:41 PM
I for some reason I think Lebron goes to the Knicks next season.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 12:45 PM
I know what the plans are this summer but I'm not allowed to say. :shush:

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 12:47 PM
The West is too loaded, you can get bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Lebron could theoretically bring Wade and CP2.5 to the Knicks.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 12:48 PM
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Archdevil you may get your wish.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 12:49 PM
As a warriors fan, Lebron on the Spurs would scare me the most.

BDawk4Prez
02-01-2018, 12:55 PM
Holy crap the Lebron apologists are something else.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 01:05 PM
You guys are all so gullible.

Lebron is the king of subtweets and passive-aggressiveness. He just pressuring the Cavs and Dan Gilbert to trade their assets.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 01:12 PM
You guys are all so gullible.

Lebron is the king of subtweets and passive-aggressiveness. He just pressuring the Cavs and Dan Gilbert to trade their assets.

I'm hoping/thinking that's what it is as I want them to trade the pick but we'll see.

LOb0
02-01-2018, 01:24 PM
lmao the mods here. Because I called KD a bundle of sticks and they go delete crazy.

Yes I'm sure KD would've found out about this and complained. SOFT.

SfgiantsJD3
02-01-2018, 01:25 PM
IF CLEAR MAX CAP SPACE
COULD Take a MEETING

SfgiantsJD3
02-01-2018, 01:27 PM
If pigs could fly LeBron to Warriors
Chances aren't much better

Chronz
02-01-2018, 01:36 PM
The hardest road for Bron too

Chronz
02-01-2018, 01:37 PM
KG - Allen - Pierce in summer of 2007
Wilt Elgin west. 69

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 01:38 PM
lol,please is rolling over in his grave at this news, especially with it possibly costing them King Klay.

RIP!

aman_13
02-01-2018, 01:44 PM
lol,please is rolling over in his grave at this news, especially with it possibly costing them King Klay.

RIP!

#freelol

LOb0
02-01-2018, 01:46 PM
Let me ask this:

Would LeBron going to GS be even worse than Durant going?

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 01:47 PM
Let me ask this:

Would LeBron going to GS be even worse than Durant going?

No because KD already ruined everything.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 01:48 PM
#freelol


:hope:

Chronz
02-01-2018, 01:51 PM
Everyone has the "I want to win" mindset.

Not everyone has the "I'm going to be a kitty cat and join a team that just beat us in playoffs and I think I'm the best player in the world" mindset. Kind of

Yup. It's like trying to argue a pick up master and a rapist being on equal footing because they both had the same mindset of getting laid.

If KD simply had done something on par with Bron, everyone would have been hyped for the clash, instead he did something no one, not even his wcw could respect. It will NEVER be the same no matter how desperately fanboys want to simplify it

Chronz
02-01-2018, 01:52 PM
Let me ask this:

Would LeBron going to GS be even worse than Durant going?

I think so, his only saving grace is his age. Still, there are certain rivals you can't join. This would be almost as bad as Bron choosing Boston or LA in his prime instead of trying to topple them

TrueFan420
02-01-2018, 01:54 PM
It is not going to happen, but if it did I would boycott the NBA. This would be the most ridiculous event in the history of sports. I like Adam Silver but if he allows this to happen he should be fired immediately.

If Lebron is a FA Silver can do anything if he signs on a vet min. It's lebrons choice but this won't happen so don't stress.

LOb0
02-01-2018, 01:55 PM
I think so, his only saving grace is his age. Still, there are certain rivals you can't join. This would be almost as bad as Bron choosing Boston or LA in his prime instead of trying to topple them

Age and the fact that he's proven he can do it already, unlike Durant. I'd still be completely disgusted.

TrueFan420
02-01-2018, 01:56 PM
I think so, his only saving grace is his age. Still, there are certain rivals you can't join. This would be almost as bad as Bron choosing Boston or LA in his prime instead of trying to topple them
He'd have to come on a vet min that would be unprecedented... he'd be walking from a super max to min. Most I can recall seeing is west leaving 10 mill from the pacers to go to the Spurs for min but they're way different types of players/impact

Htownballa1622
02-01-2018, 01:56 PM
Yup. It's like trying to argue a pick up master and a rapist being on equal footing because they both had the same mindset of getting laid.

If KD simply had done something on par with Bron, everyone would have been hyped for the clash, instead he did something no one, not even his wcw could respect. It will NEVER be the same no matter how desperately fanboys want to simplify it

Your analogy has me rolling :laugh:

TrueFan420
02-01-2018, 01:57 PM
No because KD already ruined everything.

Wade would likely follow and get a bunch more rings figured you be happy about that

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 01:57 PM
No because KD already ruined everything.

yes because Lebron Ring chased twice already.

LOb0
02-01-2018, 01:58 PM
He'd have to come on a vet min that would be unprecedented... he'd be walking from a super max to min. Most I can recall seeing is west leaving 10 mill from the pacers to go to the Spurs for min but they're way different types of players/impact

Bron won't take a penny less than max. He's already said it.

IndyRealist
02-01-2018, 02:02 PM
Yup. It's like trying to argue a pick up master and a rapist being on equal footing because they both had the same mindset of getting laid.

If KD simply had done something on par with Bron, everyone would have been hyped for the clash, instead he did something no one, not even his wcw could respect. It will NEVER be the same no matter how desperately fanboys want to simplify it

Lebron (and CP3) were instrumental in getting the NBAPA to vote down cap smoothing. The ballooned cap is what allowed KD to GSW. Lebron directly created the scenario where he is no longer the most villified player ever. Even if you think what KD did was way worse, it's still Lebron's fault.

mngopher35
02-01-2018, 02:06 PM
This would be basically as bad as kds move despite his age IMO. Still a top level player running to a team that doesn't even need him for easy success.

The rings to follow would be basically meaningless IMO if he were to think that helps him catch mj or something he would be way off.

Anyways I am guessing lebron isn't quite what the haters make him out to be and will go somewhere else to challenge the Warriors personally. We will see.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 02:07 PM
Wade would likely follow and get a bunch more rings figured you be happy about that

Well I definitely want him to win more rings so I probably wouldn't be too mad but I don't want him to win them that way. That's just too over the top imo.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 02:08 PM
yes because Lebron Ring chased twice already.

No.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 02:08 PM
Lebron gonna ring chase like Shaq towards the end of his career. Hoping on a Contender every year.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 02:11 PM
This is how lebrons next contract will look like.

5 year Max, No Trade Clause, player option year 2,3,4 & 5. lol

SfgiantsJD3
02-01-2018, 02:12 PM
lol,please is rolling over in his grave at this news, especially with it possibly costing them King Klay.

RIP!

They have to get rid of Klay and maybe Green to be considered for a meeting, not going to happen

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 02:12 PM
They have to get rid of Klay and maybe Green to be considered for a meeting, not going to happen

you can create cap space with a sign an trade. like what CP3 did with the Clippers and Rockets.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:13 PM
Your analogy has me rolling :laugh:

You're my kind of human

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 02:16 PM
They have to get rid of Klay and maybe Green to be considered for a meeting, not going to happen

Not with S&T.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2018, 02:16 PM
I just saw your sig. what happened to LOL, Please! ?

he was a PSD OG.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:16 PM
Lebron (and CP3) were instrumental in getting the NBAPA to vote down cap smoothing. The ballooned cap is what allowed KD to GSW. Lebron directly created the scenario where he is no longer the most villified player ever. Even if you think what KD did was way worse, it's still Lebron's fault.
The man can do no right, even when he fights for the freedom of players, he underestimated just how desperate kd was. What's hilarious is that if cp3 n Bron want tohook up, both miss out on that super max. As someone who hates capitalism, this is glorious

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:19 PM
This would be basically as bad as kds move despite his age IMO. Still a top level player running to a team that doesn't even need him for easy success.

The rings to follow would be basically meaningless IMO if he were to think that helps him catch mj or something he would be way off.

Anyways I am guessing lebron isn't quite what the haters make him out to be and will go somewhere else to challenge the Warriors personally. We will see.

Zero chance bro, even at 34, dude won't stoop to her level

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:20 PM
I just saw your sig. what happened to LOL, Please! ?

he was a PSD OG.
Politics. It's killing the US and its killing psd

aman_13
02-01-2018, 02:20 PM
Yup. It's like trying to argue a pick up master and a rapist being on equal footing because they both had the same mindset of getting laid.

If KD simply had done something on par with Bron, everyone would have been hyped for the clash, instead he did something no one, not even his wcw could respect. It will NEVER be the same no matter how desperately fanboys want to simplify it

Oh so if KD did what LeBron was vilified for, we would be hyped? Then it's different. Love that logic.

I don't like the KD move and I agree it's super weak but he was looking for an easier path just like LeBron.

And guess what, as much you can't stand KD for what he did, he will still he regarded as one of the greatest players of all time. You can pretend to not acknowledge that, but it's a fact.

Hawkeye15
02-01-2018, 02:21 PM
Lebron (and CP3) were instrumental in getting the NBAPA to vote down cap smoothing. The ballooned cap is what allowed KD to GSW. Lebron directly created the scenario where he is no longer the most villified player ever. Even if you think what KD did was way worse, it's still Lebron's fault.

so were the Chicago fires I heard

Hustla23
02-01-2018, 02:22 PM
I lowkey kinda hope this happens just to see the hilarity that would ensue. :laugh2:

Imagine a team going 82-0 and sweeping the playoffs + finals.

Imagine all their opponents benching their starters as a sign of protest and the Warriors win by 70 every game. :laugh:

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:27 PM
Oh so if KD did what LeBron was vilified for, we would be hyped? Then it's different. Love that logic. me too.



I don't like the KD move and I agree it's super weak but he was looking for an easier path just like LeBron.
So does the rapist. Lots of players want more help, especially when they've carried historically inept franchises to the degree he has (unlike kd). Context still matters. KD is the petulant child who wants his cake, eat it, **** it out and have the 5th option clean it up. Bron just wanted help to dethrone those in charge, he didn't simply join those in charge.



And guess what, as much you can't stand KD for what he did, he will still he regarded as one of the greatest players of all time. You can pretend to not acknowledge that, but it's a fact.
So? I've never suggested he wasn't, only that he deprived himself of climbing those same ranks with such unprecedented cowardice

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:28 PM
I lowkey kinda hope this happens just to see the hilarity that would ensue. :laugh2:

Imagine a team going 82-0 and sweeping the playoffs + finals.

Imagine all their opponents benching their starters as a sign of protest and the Warriors win by 70 every game. :laugh:

I would love that. **** this lg if that happens again. Bron ain't no ***** like kd tho. Mark my words, he would have to reach age 50 before he did what kd did

elledaddy
02-01-2018, 02:31 PM
Hopefully when this bozo retires we can get back to regular NBA.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 02:34 PM
I just saw your sig. what happened to LOL, Please! ?

he was a PSD OG.

Banned for racism or something.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:36 PM
Hopefully when this bozo retires we can get back to regular NBA.
Lol have you been waiting since the 50s?

aman_13
02-01-2018, 02:39 PM
So does the rapist. Lots of players want more help, especially when they've carried historically inept franchises to the degree he has (unlike kd). Context still matters. KD is the petulant child who wants his cake, eat it, **** it out and have the 5th option clean it up. Bron just wanted help to dethrone those in charge, he didn't simply join those in charge.


Context definitely matters but LeBron was hoping to do what the Warriors end up doing. You don't sit on a stage and tell everyone how many rings you are going to win if you didn't think otherwise. It just didn't end up working out that way.

KD's move is weaker or better depending on perspective, but LeBron wanted that kind of dominance himself and he was willing to do less to get it. He just end up having to do more.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 02:39 PM
Banned for racism or something.

Oh serious? Then I might have to retract my freelol comment.

COOLbeans
02-01-2018, 02:40 PM
This would go down as the all time greediest sports move in history. And I would be opposed to it as a dubs fan. Keep LeBron out of the Bay Area

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:42 PM
Context definitely matters but LeBron was hoping to do what the Warriors end up doing. You don't sit on a stage and tell everyone how many rings you are going to win if you didn't think otherwise. It just didn't end up working out that way.

KD's move is weaker or better depending on perspective, but LeBron wanted that kind of dominance himself and he was willing to do less to get it. He just end up having to do more.
Lmfao, why do people refer to a hype rally yet ignore the much more serious and objective interview where he emphasized the process of building up to a contender? The process kd skipped by joining a ready made and already proven historic core?

I don't agree with your view one iota. I don't see how you come to that conclusion without a simplistic stance devoid of context..

aman_13
02-01-2018, 02:46 PM
Lmfao, why do people refer to a hype rally yet ignore the much more serious and objective interview where he emphasized the process of building up to a contender? The process kd skipped by joining a ready made and already proven historic core?

I don't agree with your view one iota. I don't see how you come to that conclusion without a simplistic stance devoid of context..

Lol you seriously are telling me that LeBron didn't want it easier? Just because he said it was a process, one of the best ways to alleviate pressure.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 02:48 PM
It's amazing how we forget 2010 or w.e year it was. LeBron was more hated than KD is now.

jason
02-01-2018, 02:48 PM
Let me ask this:

Would LeBron going to GS be even worse than Durant going?Obviously

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 02:52 PM
LeBron will and forever always have a greater legacy than Durant. I never like to downgrade a player's ranking unless a player legitimately moves past them or they are caught cheating.. but if LeBron goes to the Warriors (assuming they still have Curry/Dray/KD), he won't be top 10 at all. In fact, I think he would ruin his legacy.

mngopher35
02-01-2018, 02:53 PM
Context definitely matters but LeBron was hoping to do what the Warriors end up doing. You don't sit on a stage and tell everyone how many rings you are going to win if you didn't think otherwise. It just didn't end up working out that way.

KD's move is weaker or better depending on perspective, but LeBron wanted that kind of dominance himself and he was willing to do less to get it. He just end up having to do more.

I mean you understand the obvious logic behind how they are obviously different though too right (and what Chronz analogy was getting at)? It isn't that no player can look for a better situation and try to make something into a GOAT level team. That has happened all throughout history of the NBA in some sense.

The clear cut difference is when you join a team already put together looking to reach that level as a supposed all time great player yourself creating a massive gap in the league. You can't ignore this obvious difference in context (like you can't ignore a guy drugging a girl as the way to get laid, that's different than being shy and needing your wingmans help). Sure in the end both wanted the same thing which was to win rings (like most player lol this isn't some new idea) but the context of how it got done is important and those who downplay/ignore this on the regular seem to be missing that major point.

cheetos185
02-01-2018, 02:54 PM
Lebron is getting old so he's going to ring chase in best possible situation i guess.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 02:55 PM
I don't take this serious but never say never.. I mean, you guys got KD and everyone was shocked.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:56 PM
Look at you click-bait retards go.

Reported

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 02:56 PM
You guys can blame social media for LeBron even attemping to do this.

"Can't win six rings."

He can win ten now if he wanted to... lol.

goingfor28
02-01-2018, 02:56 PM
Nothing more than ESPN click bait

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

Chronz
02-01-2018, 02:58 PM
Lol you seriously are telling me that LeBron didn't want it easier? Just because he said it was a process, one of the best ways to alleviate pressure.
Lmfao are you that blind? Most players who leave their teams want more support, ESPECIALLY when they've carried the crap Cleveland supplanted him with. There's a huge difference between wanting help and dickriding help

COOLbeans
02-01-2018, 02:58 PM
They have to get rid of Klay and maybe Green to be considered for a meeting, not going to happen

Those guys are life long Warriors as king as they’re producing and stay affordable

COOLbeans
02-01-2018, 02:59 PM
Politics. It's killing the US and its killing psd

This

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:01 PM
I mean you understand the obvious logic behind how they are obviously different though too right (and what Chronz analogy was getting at)? It isn't that no player can look for a better situation and try to make something into a GOAT level team. That has happened all throughout history of the NBA in some sense.

The clear cut difference is when you join a team already put together looking to reach that level as a supposed all time great player yourself creating a massive gap in the league. You can't ignore this obvious difference in context (like you can't ignore a guy drugging a girl as the way to get laid, that's different than being shy and needing your wingmans help). Sure in the end both wanted the same thing which was to win rings (like most player lol this isn't some new idea) but the context of how it got done is important and those who downplay/ignore this on the regular seem to be missing that major point.

I've acknowledged all that. I'm not downplaying what KD did.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:02 PM
It's amazing how we forget 2010 or w.e year it was. LeBron was more hated than KD is now.
Well yeah, he's LeBron, he was hated on for not winning with mo Williams as his sidekick. That idiots agree doesn't help your argument, I was saying the same **** then that I am now. Trust me, if people shat on kd for joining a team of similar caliber, i would be defending him now just as i was Bron back then. But he didn't. He chose something few can respect and the more you try to link him with Bron the dumber you sound.

Again a rapist can have the same mindset , doesn't mean everyone who wants to get laid stoops to his level in doing so

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 03:03 PM
Reported

This.

Captain Moroni
02-01-2018, 03:04 PM
Nah it's been in a pretty good place, KD kind of ****ed things up recently though.

I completely disagree. The competitive balance is awful.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:05 PM
I completely disagree. The competitive balance is awful.

Think about this, if KD didn't join the Warriors and went to Miami, Washington, or plenty of other teams that would be title contenders.

Warriors
Spurs
Rockets
Thunder
Cavs
Boston
*Whichever team KD is on*


But because of KD, we are putting all our money into the Rockets and hoping they can snipe the Warriors down. I've never been more of a Rockets fan than this season... It's why I find it hard to cheer against them. They are the only team in the West (maybe Spurs/OKC can show up) I think if all cylinders click, can take out the Warriors.

Vee-Rex
02-01-2018, 03:06 PM
Chronz is back-handing everyone in this thread. That's actually a really good analogy.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:07 PM
I completely disagree. The competitive balance is awful.
It's the most parity we've seen since the 70s up until kds sex change

Captain Moroni
02-01-2018, 03:08 PM
No, he really didn't. I'm tired of hearing that. He left a team that had crappy ownership and didn't get him enough help and FORMED his team with friends.

Basically they got on the mountain together and climbed to the top together.

KD just got dropped off by helicopter as the warriors had already reached the top of the mountain which is why KD is a *****.

Nonsense.
Wade was a superstar
LeBron was the best player in the league
Bosh was a superstar
Climbed it together. Thats like having someone carry you to the second to top step of the statue of Liberty, putting you down having you walk up the last step and saying you "Climbed it together"
Utter nonsense.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:08 PM
Lmfao are you that blind? Most players who leave their teams want more support, ESPECIALLY when they've carried the crap Cleveland supplanted him with. There's a huge difference between wanting help and dickriding help

Lol right because doing what he did in 2010 was so normal. Very common. If you can't admit that he wanted an easier path himself, then we are done here. I've already acknowledged your point.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:09 PM
I've acknowledged all that. I'm not downplaying what KD did.
Then for logical sake, stop comparing kd to ANYONE. Hes all alone in this and will be for ever imo. It will become a defining moment in his legacy, we'll never know how truly great he was

LOb0
02-01-2018, 03:12 PM
It's amazing how we forget 2010 or w.e year it was. LeBron was more hated than KD is now.

At no point was LeBron as hated as KD is now.

We knew LeBron had a bum *** team in Cleveland. We just hated that he choked against Boston and made a spectacle of joining Miami.

What Durant did was far worse, he had a good team then went to the team he choked against, a team so loaded he's not even required.

Bron would've had to join LA to get that level of hatred.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:13 PM
Lol right because doing what he did in 2010 was so normal. Very common. If you can't admit that he wanted an easier path himself, then we are done here. I've already acknowledged your point.
Far more normal (ESPECIALLY given where he came from) than what KD did. Why do you keep asking questions I've already answered, you're beginning to bore me and I've tried to be corgial.

We can be done anytime you want, imo you never started, why else would you regurgitate your originally flawed response that I've already addressed?

TRY HARDER OR TROLL HARDEST

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:13 PM
Well yeah, he's LeBron, he was hated on for not winning with mo Williams as his sidekick. That idiots agree doesn't help your argument, I was saying the same **** then that I am now. Trust me, if people shat on kd for joining a team of similar caliber, i would be defending him now just as i was Bron back then. But he didn't. He chose something few can respect and the more you try to link him with Bron the dumber you sound.

Again a rapist can have the same mindset , doesn't mean everyone who wants to get laid stoops to his level in doing so

Again, I'm not refuting what KD did. My point maybe simple and perceived without context but it stands as true. LeBron wanted it easier. I don't see how that can be refuted. It wasn't typical about how he went about it. There was a lot of cullusion going, a lot of relationships broken, and a lot of fans upset.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:14 PM
Lol right because doing what he did in 2010 was so normal. Very common. If you can't admit that he wanted an easier path himself, then we are done here. I've already acknowledged your point.

Everyone wants an easier path. I think the part where you misunderstood "LeBron wanting the Heat to be the Warriors" is that you forgot that the Heat didn't add KD into the mix. The Warriors were already a finished product before KD even joined. LeBron had to get out of his own way to create something with uncertain pieces. Like, if KD just dropped dead and somehow revived himself a season later, odds are the Warriors are STILL the NBA champions. If LeBron dropped dead in 2010, do you think that Heat team had any chance at beating the Celtics or Pacers? You gotta remember, the Heat didn't have this much of a lopsided advantage. It was a superteam but no one would mistake them for an All-Time great team. The reality is, KD joined a team that was already being compared to Jordan's Bulls and had won 73 games. It's the uncertainty vs certainty that mattered. Yes, LeBron said "not 1, not 2" but that looked to me like it was awkward on the stage and LeBron just said what the fans wanted to hear and hype himself up. With KD, he knew this would create the most unfair advantage. And he said so himself, "I didn't want to be a leader on a team." So you can't possibly compare these two. Both wanted it easier but one guy HAD it easy already playing next to Russ/Ibaka.. The other guy never knew what it was like being on a team that didn't need him to do everything so he went and created something. BIG difference.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:15 PM
At no point was LeBron as hated as KD is now.

We knew LeBron had a bum *** team in Cleveland. We just hated that he choked against Boston and made a spectacle of joining Miami.

What Durant did was far worse, he had a good team then went to the team he choked against, a team so loaded he's not even required.

Bron would've had to join LA to get that level of hatred.

You probably never watched basketball before that happened, then. 100%, LeBron was more hated. I got calls from people I haven't spoke to in months talking about LeBron leaving.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:15 PM
Far more normal (ESPECIALLY given where he came from) than what KD did. Why do you keep asking questions I've already answered, you're beginning to bore me and I've tried to be corgial.

We can be done anytime you want, imo you never started, why else would you regurgitate your originally flawed response that I've already addressed?

TRY HARDER OR TROLL HARDEST

That's funny because you keep making the same point as well.

Captain Moroni
02-01-2018, 03:15 PM
Nothing more than ESPN click bait

Although this is the case in most cases, I disagree here.
LeBron is consumed with passing MJ as the alltime greatest player. He needs more rings and he knows it. This is EXACTLY the type of move he would make.

If he wants to cement his legacy, he would join a team and make them a title contender, not make a title winner better. Go team up with the Greek Freak, or the unicorn. Imagine LeBron coming to NYK and winning a title there? anything up to this point would be scraps to winning a ring in NY.

If you are that good, prove it without having a superstar roster

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 03:17 PM
Think about this, if KD didn't join the Warriors and went to Miami, Washington, or plenty of other teams that would be title contenders.

Warriors
Spurs
Rockets
Thunder
Cavs
Boston
*Whichever team KD is on*


But because of KD, we are putting all our money into the Rockets and hoping they can snipe the Warriors down. I've never been more of a Rockets fan than this season... It's why I find it hard to cheer against them. They are the only team in the West (maybe Spurs/OKC can show up) I think if all cylinders click, can take out the Warriors.

God damn the league would be awesome.

mngopher35
02-01-2018, 03:17 PM
I've acknowledged all that. I'm not downplaying what KD did.

Every time you try and equate it to clearly different moves that is basically what you are doing (just like trying to equate having a wingman and drugging someone, couldn't chronz have picked something less crude?). That would be pretty ridiculous if someone was like "they were just trying to do the same thing one just did it better/worse based on perspective"... Obviously you or others would never say that but it is kinda the point and why people will always question the logic of people saying stuff like that.

We all know players want to win a title and need help to do so. The context of the moves is what makes these comparisons absolutely ridiculous and that context needs to be downplayed/ignored to even attempt to do so.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:19 PM
Everyone wants an easier path. I think the part where you misunderstood "LeBron wanting the Heat to be the Warriors" is that you forgot that the Heat didn't add KD into the mix. The Warriors were already a finished product before KD even joined. LeBron had to get out of his own way to create something with uncertain pieces. Like, if KD just dropped dead and somehow revived himself a season later, odds are the Warriors are STILL the NBA champions. If LeBron dropped dead in 2010, do you think that Heat team had any chance at beating the Celtics or Pacers? You gotta remember, the Heat didn't have this much of a lopsided advantage. It was a superteam but no one would mistake them for an All-Time great team. The reality is, KD joined a team that was already being compared to Jordan's Bulls and had won 73 games. It's the uncertainty vs certainty that mattered. Yes, LeBron said "not 1, not 2" but that looked to me like it was awkward on the stage and LeBron just said what the fans wanted to hear and hype himself up. With KD, he knew this would create the most unfair advantage. And he said so himself, "I didn't want to be a leader on a team." So you can't possibly compare these two. Both wanted it easier but one guy HAD it easy already playing next to Russ/Ibaka.. The other guy never knew what it was like being on a team that didn't need him to do everything so he went and created something. BIG difference.

I never liked what KD did and said in the very beginning that it was different. In fact it was much worse. There is no arguing that.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 03:20 PM
Although this is the case in most cases, I disagree here.
LeBron is consumed with passing MJ as the alltime greatest player. He needs more rings and he knows it. This is EXACTLY the type of move he would make.

If he wants to cement his legacy, he would join a team and make them a title contender, not make a title winner better. Go team up with the Greek Freak, or the unicorn. Imagine LeBron coming to NYK and winning a title there? anything up to this point would be scraps to winning a ring in NY.

If you are that good, prove it without having a superstar roster

Nobody can beat the Warriors without a superstar roster.

Him winning rings with the Warriors doesn't help his legacy at all either.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:23 PM
Again, I'm not refuting what KD did. My point maybe simple and perceived without context but it stands as true. LeBron wanted it easier. I don't see how that can be refuted. It wasn't typical about how he went about it. There was a lot of cullusion going, a lot of relationships broken, and a lot of fans upset.
Only truth is reserved for facts and the facts you want people to acknowledge are devoid of context because they are non differentiating arguments. Of course he wanted it easier, look at the trash he carried (relative to true contenders) he STILL didn't FACTUALLY stoop to her level. Sorry bro, I'm always gonna side with context over fan boy logic

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:23 PM
I never liked what KD did and said in the very beginning that it was different. In fact it was much worse. There is no arguing that.

If it's much worse, then your argument that it was the same in terms of it being "easier" has no context. Every player wants it easier. If you think Kobe sat in the locker room with Smush saying, "This is what I want", then you are arguing a point that no one denies. But the fact is, add context and there is enough separation in what they did that you realize that no, what KD did is not comparable to any other superstar in the NBA.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:23 PM
I'm coming off as someone who is trying to defend KD. That's not what I'm trying to do. I didn't like what KD did and I didn't like what LeBron did. I was making a simple point but I thought it was a valid one. Yes within certain context, it sounds ridiculous that I'm comparing them. However, I can't withdraw from the opinion that LeBron wanted it easier. We look past it now because he end up having to do way more than he expected.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:24 PM
I never liked what KD did and said in the very beginning that it was different. In fact it was much worse. There is no arguing that.
Then just stop. Seriously, just stop. It's an insult to NBA history when you try to defend her

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:25 PM
I'm coming off as someone who is trying to defend KD. That's not what I'm trying to do. I didn't like what KD did and I didn't like what LeBron did. I was making a simple point but I thought it was a valid one. Yes within certain context, it sounds ridiculous that I'm comparing them. However, I can't withdraw from the opinion that LeBron wanted it easier. We look past it now because he end up having to do way more than he expected.

For reference, do you know how much more hated and frowned upon LeBron would look going to the Lakers instead of the Heat? There, my friend, is the separation of context we need to look at.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:25 PM
Nobody can beat the Warriors without a superstar roster.

Him winning rings with the Warriors doesn't help his legacy at all either.

Bingo. Bron knows he can't best mj by following in her footsteps

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:26 PM
I'm coming off as someone who is trying to defend KD. That's not what I'm trying to do. I didn't like what KD did and I didn't like what LeBron did. I was making a simple point but I thought it was a valid one. Yes within certain context, it sounds ridiculous that I'm comparing them. However, I can't withdraw from the opinion that LeBron wanted it easier. We look past it now because he end up having to do way more than he expected.
What did you want Bron to do after 6 or was it 7 years of carrying trash?

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:27 PM
If it's much worse, then your argument that it was the same in terms of it being "easier" has no context. Every player wants it easier. If you think Kobe sat in the locker room with Smush saying, "This is what I want", then you are arguing a point that no one denies. But the fact is, add context and there is enough separation in what they did that you realize that no, what KD did is not comparable to any other superstar in the NBA.

Yes every player wants to easier but the path that LeBron took isn't typical. That's all I'm saying.

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 03:31 PM
Lebron is going to join the Rockets or Spurs

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:31 PM
Yes every player wants to easier but the path that LeBron took isn't typical. That's all I'm saying.

And do you think LeBron had a typical seven seasons playing with an incompetent franchise in which the best player in the NBA had to play with some guy who was rumored to have been screwing his mom and also Mo Williams as his 2nd best player? C'mon, dude. Nothing is typical when it comes to GOAT-level players. He made it easier for himself after he was labeled a loser because he couldn't carry a piece of trash team in the playoffs. In one playoff season, he averaged 37/9/7 and had a 38 PER. They still lost to the Orlando and you would think LeBron was the reason? averaged 40/8/8 for the series.. His team sucked, he left and created an unproven team with his friends. KD left a team that had a top ten player, top three PG, Adams+Kanter+Ibaka creating one of the best frontcourt squads, and a team that should have beaten the Warriors but he choked and then decides to join them.. How, in any way, when you break it down, does it come close to being the same?

Celticsfan2007
02-01-2018, 03:32 PM
Lebron should join Boston and take over the team just to fu ck with Kyrie

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:32 PM
What did you want Bron to do after 6 or was it 7 years of carrying trash?

You didn't have a problem with him joining Wade? Wade was at a peak level at that point of his career. Bosh was at his peak. I'm not comparing that team to the Warriors or saying it's the same in that regard, but within that time period, it was considered a super team. No?

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:33 PM
You didn't have a problem with him joining Wade? Wade was at a peak level at that point of his career. Bosh was at his peak. I'm not comparing that team to the Warriors or saying it's the same in that regard, but within that time period, it was considered a super team. No?

You make it seem as if it was lopsided when he created the Big Three in Miami. No one ever said, "NBA is broken" after that. When KD joined, people did say that. It takes a special kind of loser to join a team that just beat you after YOU were the reason they even won.

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 03:34 PM
You didn't have a problem with him joining Wade? Wade was at a peak level at that point of his career. Bosh was at his peak. I'm not comparing that team to the Warriors or saying it's the same in that regard, but within that time period, it was considered a super team. No?

it's the same ****. They ****ing knew what they were doing and had a celebration to rub it in the NBA's face, not 1,not 2, not 3, they're both ***** moves and it's what the NBA has become. Just let them rant, nothing is stopping the Warriors from winning another NBA title.... other than a major injury.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:35 PM
And do you think LeBron had a typical seven seasons playing with an incompetent franchise in which the best player in the NBA had to play with some guy who was rumored to have been screwing his mom and also Mo Williams as his 2nd best player? C'mon, dude. Nothing is typical when it comes to GOAT-level players. He made it easier for himself after he was labeled a loser because he couldn't carry a piece of trash team in the playoffs. In one playoff season, he averaged 37/9/7 and had a 38 PER. They still lost to the Orlando and you would think LeBron was the reason? averaged 40/8/8 for the series.. His team sucked, he left and created an unproven team with his friends. KD left a team that had a top ten player, top three PG, Adams+Kanter+Ibaka creating one of the best frontcourt squads, and a team that should have beaten the Warriors but he choked and then decides to join them.. How, in any way, when you break it down, does it come close to being the same?

I don't blame LeBron for leaving. He could go anywhere. I just didn't like that he felt the need to collude with another superstar and a top 5 pf at the time. I guess you guys didn't mind it.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:37 PM
You make it seem as if it was lopsided when he created the Big Three in Miami. No one ever said, "NBA is broken" after that. When KD joined, people did say that. It takes a special kind of loser to join a team that just beat you after YOU were the reason they even won.

Ahh people were saying that. They said it was unfair. The Miami Cheat? Remember that?

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:37 PM
Lol, I'll let this die. You're the only one arguing that it's the same despite saying context matters. Like most people here, no one is saying we liked what LeBron did. We're saying, it wasn't as bad as what KD did but because LeBron's legacy is far greater than KD ever was, he was more victimized for it. If your only argument is that both did it because it was easier, then you can make the same argument for every other player in free agency. So literally, if that's your argument, then you have no argument. Use context or there isn't anything to be made otherwise.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:38 PM
Ahh people were saying that. They said it was unfair. The Miami Cheat? Remember that?

Miami Cheat? How is that even the same?

tredigs
02-01-2018, 03:38 PM
Every time you try and equate it to clearly different moves that is basically what you are doing (just like trying to equate having a wingman and drugging someone, couldn't chronz have picked something less crude?). That would be pretty ridiculous if someone was like "they were just trying to do the same thing one just did it better/worse based on perspective"... Obviously you or others would never say that but it is kinda the point and why people will always question the logic of people saying stuff like that.

We all know players want to win a title and need help to do so. The context of the moves is what makes these comparisons absolutely ridiculous and that context needs to be downplayed/ignored to even attempt to do so.

Of course the details are different, but the bottom line is they both went to the best possible situations they could. One fundamental difference is Lebron/Wade/Bosh took fairly big pay cuts to make it happen. Both moves were "cowardly" in the competitive regard for their personal legacy, but ultimately brought in heightened popularity to the game and IMO the ability to watch some truly GOAT level basketball. As a fun thought exercise, go ahead and find the last 10 times a top 5 player had the chance to join a Finals team on the max in the off-season.

HINT: It's a trick question. That opportunity was 1 in a million, so no **** we don't see it.

As another fun thought exercise for everyone out there, try not to live your life with the mentality of a defeatist. You'd be surprised what is possible.


And that's enough KD/Bron talk for the month of February for me.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:39 PM
You didn't have a problem with him joining Wade? Wade was at a peak level at that point of his career. Bosh was at his peak. I'm not comparing that team to the Warriors or saying it's the same in that regard, but within that time period, it was considered a super team. No?

You mean the same wade that was already declining and not contending(peak? Lmfao maybe for a year butt no self respecting fan or wannabe analyst would claim wade had many years left, ESPECIALLY given he was ALREADY declining, far different than being a unanimous mvp amidst his true peak years that'd for sure )? You mean the same bosh who quit on his team amidst a playoff run and vowed to never again play the same physical style that produced that year? This is why context matters more than your baseless opinion.

When it comes to arbitrary definitions such as super teams i really need you to be more in depth. Trust me, these arguments can go many ways depending on that singular term.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:40 PM
Tackle my rebuttal plz

"Kobe iz teh greatest. 81 pointz big scorer lots of baskutbullz in hoop. Kobyyy Briant"

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:41 PM
it's the same ****. They ****ing knew what they were doing and had a celebration to rub it in the NBA's face, not 1,not 2, not 3, they're both ***** moves and it's what the NBA has become. Just let them rant, nothing is stopping the Warriors from winning another NBA title.... other than a major injury.

Tackle my rebuttal plz

Jamiecballer
02-01-2018, 03:42 PM
I think it sounds like garbage or something that would come out of Durants camp. Don't believe it at all.

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mngopher35
02-01-2018, 03:43 PM
Lebron is going to join the Rockets or Spurs

My guess is rockets

mngopher35
02-01-2018, 03:43 PM
I'm coming off as someone who is trying to defend KD. That's not what I'm trying to do. I didn't like what KD did and I didn't like what LeBron did. I was making a simple point but I thought it was a valid one. Yes within certain context, it sounds ridiculous that I'm comparing them. However, I can't withdraw from the opinion that LeBron wanted it easier. We look past it now because he end up having to do way more than he expected.

Lebron did want it easier. He was also in a tougher situation to begin with and most players do anyways lol (again wanting to win etc. isn't the key here most players do). I think the thing is some want to then use that one common thing (wanting to be on a better team for a title) and then try and justify/compare. It's the same reason that analogy sounds ridiculous too though and isn't even remotely logical. You maybe didn't intend to take this route but if you read back you certainly seemed to be on this track.

Lebron made a weak move but within context looking at the league I have pointed out it was in the same sense of GS before Durant joined. Like odds wise they had a pretty similar chance to win the title over other top competitor etc. This isn't some ridiculously easy path where the team can lose him and they still are favorites to win it all, he needed to be a top player type guy still etc.

While both had the same intentions of getting help the context is what makes Durant's move so obviously different from anything before it and comparisons so ridiculous. The core he joined was quite literally being compared to all time great teams the season before without him even there.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:44 PM
Of course the details are different, but the bottom line is they both went to the best possible situations they could. One fundamental difference is Lebron/Wade/Bosh took fairly big pay cuts to make it happen. Both moves were "cowardly" in the competitive regard for their personal legacy, but ultimately brought in heightened popularity to the game and IMO the ability to watch some truly GOAT level basketball. As a fun thought exercise, go ahead and find the last 10 times a top 5 player had the chance to join a Finals team on the max in the off-season.

HINT: It's a trick question. That opportunity was 1 in a million, so no **** we don't see it.

As another fun thought exercise for everyone out there, try not to live your life with the mentality of a defeatist. You'd be surprised what is possible.


And that's enough KD/Bron talk for the month of February for me.
No That's not the bottom line nor would it be in the same stratosphere even if we pretended the mindset was similar.

Again, likeI've told you before, that other players faced less friendly circumstances and still decided against taking the easiest route imaginable does not help your case.

You won't be done, trust.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:44 PM
My guess is rockets

They said Warriors were the ones that leaked the news and LeBron's camp denied saying it. But I think this is a further ploy of his to try and make his departure from Cleveland more like a relief than "OMG HE IS GOING TO THE WARRIORS." Rockets or Spurs make the most sense for his career. Warriors? Man, if I ever get a notification that it was real and he does join, I think most would automatically drop him off their top five NBA players of all time. I would.

GoferKing_
02-01-2018, 03:44 PM
It would be GSW only in the NBA. The rest would just tank and stop giving huge azz contracts, just develop players. I would like to see that. hahahah. xD

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:45 PM
You mean the same wade that was already declining and not contending(peak? Lmfao maybe for a year butt no self respecting fan or wannabe analyst would claim wade had many years left, ESPECIALLY given he was ALREADY declining, far different than being a unanimous mvp amidst his true peak years that'd for sure )? You mean the same bosh who quit on his team amidst a playoff run and vowed to never again play the same physical style that produced that year? This is why context matters more than your baseless opinion.

When it comes to arbitrary definitions such as super teams i really need you to be more in depth. Trust me, these arguments can go many ways depending on that singular term.

I can continue but this is becoming boring and really a recycled discussion. Let's move on. I didn't forsee going this deep into this topic.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:45 PM
Lol, I'll let this die. You're the only one arguing that it's the same despite saying context matters. Like most people here, no one is saying we liked what LeBron did. We're saying, it wasn't as bad as what KD did but because LeBron's legacy is far greater than KD ever was, he was more victimized for it. If your only argument is that both did it because it was easier, then you can make the same argument for every other player in free agency. So literally, if that's your argument, then you have no argument. Use context or there isn't anything to be made otherwise.

I liked what LeBron did, he took risks without joining the best. KD took none and didn't really take much of a pay cut thx to the jump in cap

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 03:45 PM
lolz hilarious.

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 03:46 PM
I can continue but this is becoming boring and really a recycled discussion. Let's move on. I didn't forsee going this deep into this topic.

oh you think this is bad? wait for the NBA Finals thread lolz Last years was hilarious.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:46 PM
I liked what LeBron did, he took risks without joining the best. KD took none and didn't really take much of a pay cut thx to the jump in cap

Yes, but did you like him colluding with Bosh+Wade before they were ever close to free agency and also having their free agency end at the same time so they can have these options? I don't. But I can see why he would do it. Sooner or later, another player would have done it. With social media and everything going on, this is the only reason we're seeing all these trade rumors. I can bet there were many MJ discussions going on back then that no one will ever speak about for legacy's sake. If no social media, no one would know about KD being a complete baby.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:47 PM
Lol, I'll let this die. You're the only one arguing that it's the same despite saying context matters. Like most people here, no one is saying we liked what LeBron did. We're saying, it wasn't as bad as what KD did but because LeBron's legacy is far greater than KD ever was, he was more victimized for it. If your only argument is that both did it because it was easier, then you can make the same argument for every other player in free agency. So literally, if that's your argument, then you have no argument. Use context or there isn't anything to be made otherwise.

We disagree with the Heat team that was formed or what it was excepted to be. I don't consider it all time team but within that period, no team touched them talent wise.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 03:47 PM
KD has a small weenie.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:47 PM
Lebron did want it easier. He was also in a tougher situation to begin with and most players do anyways lol (again wanting to win etc. isn't the key here most players do). I think the thing is some want to then use that one common thing (wanting to be on a better team for a title) and then try and justify/compare. It's the same reason that analogy sounds ridiculous too though and isn't even remotely logical. You maybe didn't intend to take this route but if you read back you certainly seemed to be on this track.

Lebron made a weak move but within context looking at the league I have pointed out it was in the same sense of GS before Durant joined. Like odds wise they had a pretty similar chance to win the title over other top competitor etc. This isn't some ridiculously easy path where the team can lose him and they still are favorites to win it all, he needed to be a top player type guy still etc.

While both had the same intentions of getting help the context is what makes Durant's move so obviously different from anything before it and comparisons so ridiculous. The core he joined was quite literally being compared to all time great teams the season before without him even there.
Tmac is a great example. Could've joined the spurs but he spurned the thought because he wanted a challenge and found no glory in having it that easy.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:48 PM
I can continue but this is becoming boring and really a recycled discussion. Let's move on. I didn't forsee going this deep into this topic.
That's the difference between you and I. Foresight, I already knew where this faux argument was heading

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:49 PM
KD has a small weenie.
You're giving him too much credit

aman_13
02-01-2018, 03:49 PM
That's the difference between you and I. Foresight, I already knew where this faux argument was heading

You know it all.

Jamiecballer
02-01-2018, 03:50 PM
Let's not complicate it, they both wanted an easier path to the finals.But it is complicated because the same is true for just about every free agent. I think the case where a free agent has the option to go to a better team, and that team has both the fit and equal interest, as well as cap room or flexibility to make it happen BUT doesn't is probably not very common.

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SfgiantsJD3
02-01-2018, 03:51 PM
Not with S&T.

The article says he could take a meeting if they clear the cap space, S&T assumes he comes without a meeting

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 03:51 PM
You know it all.

:laugh:

c.c.
02-01-2018, 03:53 PM
We're coming to the Rockets!

“We’re” coming to the Rockets? Lol I’m assuming you adding Wade

kdspurman
02-01-2018, 03:53 PM
Is it possible for LeBron to commit to going there, GS then frees up space by moving pieces or whatever, then he changes his mind after GS has already shipped out a few pieces?

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 03:53 PM
https://youtu.be/e9BqUBYaHlM

Lil Rhody
02-01-2018, 03:53 PM
I still laugh at people comparing Bron to what the Celtics did.

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FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:54 PM
The article says he could take a meeting if they clear the cap space, S&T assumes he comes without a meeting

The leverage in this is that Klay has no say and LeBron has an NTC this season. LeBron could really push for a trade to the Warriors via S&T in the offseason to unload Klay - who the Cavs would gladly take if they are to lose LeBron for nothing anyways. Iguodala would also have to go. Not sure he is worth having for that price but it's definitely better than nothing. I think the most underrated part of LeBron's NTC and signing two year with a one year player option is that there are more options in particular with teams that are filled with contracts but could do S&T's. That's the part where I think LeBron has perfected. We used to thought it was just so he could see his options after a year. It's now realistically, a way for LeBron to get to most NBA teams because of S&T.

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 03:54 PM
Is it possible for LeBron to commit to going there, GS then frees up space by moving pieces or whatever, then he changes his mind after GS has already shipped out a few pieces?

lol that would be hilarious.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:55 PM
Yes, but did you like him colluding with Bosh+Wade before they were ever close to free agency and also having their free agency end at the same time so they can have these options? I don't. But I can see why he would do it. Sooner or later, another player would have done it. With social media and everything going on, this is the only reason we're seeing all these trade rumors. I can bet there were many MJ discussions going on back then that no one will ever speak about for legacy's sake. If no social media, no one would know about KD being a complete baby.
Yes, because players tend to collude and there ain't **** the NBA can do stop them. Front office types yes, but most know there are ways around that.

Put it this way, collusion is impossible to stop unless the front office types get caught.

I disagree with you on mj. Back in the day, few of us had access to discuss sports but I remember ghosting a few topics and mj gambling was huge. Obviously social media has propelled it to a degree where I may as well be talking about vcror beta max but he wasn't without conspiracy theories

Jamiecballer
02-01-2018, 03:55 PM
Look at you click-bait retards go.This is my favorite comment but rape cums a close second

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FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:56 PM
Yes, because players tend to collude and there ain't **** the NBA can do stop them. Front office types yes, but most know there are ways around that.

Put it this way, collusion is impossible to stop unless the front office types get caught.

I disagree with you on mj. Back in the day, few of us had access to discuss sports but I remember ghosting a few topics and mj gambling was huge. Obviously social media has propelled it to a degree where I may as well be talking about vcror beta max but he wasn't without conspiracy theories

1) Just because players do it doesn't mean you have to like it. I find it disgusting that players, on an NBA team currently, collude to join another team while being on contract.

2) And how many of us knew about that T-Mac trade for Pippen? I think it just recently came out. Not everything is out for the public. Social media has made hiding things impossible. I mean, Woj would never have near the reputation that he does if he wasn't exposing the general public of these trades. He, has benefitted the most from social media because he is now looked at as the messenger of the NBA.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:56 PM
Is it possible for LeBron to commit to going there, GS then frees up space by moving pieces or whatever, then he changes his mind after GS has already shipped out a few pieces?
Omg I hadn't even thought of that. The ultimate con. Lol if he were 25 years old it might've worked

DJG
02-01-2018, 03:58 PM
LeBrons not joining the Warriors. People go crazy without looking at the facts. This is silly.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 03:58 PM
You know it all.tbh, I really think I do. I'm surrounded by zombies in la

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 03:59 PM
Is it possible for LeBron to commit to going there, GS then frees up space by moving pieces or whatever, then he changes his mind after GS has already shipped out a few pieces?

Doubtful. I mean, they are talking about S&T deals so it would have to include LeBron or the deal falls apart. The Warriors are proving to be the best NBA Franchise in the league right now. They know a LeBron to Rockets or Spurs would put their legacy at a risk. LeBron needs another mega-star to counter KD/Curry. Having LeBron would totally eliminate any competition (even more than it already has).

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 04:01 PM
“We’re” coming to the Rockets? Lol I’m assuming you adding Wade

Yezzir!

Chronz
02-01-2018, 04:01 PM
1) Just because players do it doesn't mean you have to like it. I find it disgusting that players, on an NBA team currently, collude to join another team while being on contract.

2) And how many of us knew about that T-Mac trade for Pippen? I think it just recently came out. Not everything is out for the public. Social media has made hiding things impossible. I mean, Woj would never have near the reputation that he does if he wasn't exposing the general public of these trades. He, has benefitted the most from social media because he is now looked at as the messenger of the NBA.

Why tho? It's their legacy on the line, I wouldn't just leave that 100%to chance.
Tmac for Pippen was known since the 90s bro.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 04:04 PM
Why tho? It's their legacy on the line, I wouldn't just leave that 100%to chance.
Tmac for Pippen was known since the 90s bro.

1) Because it's like a contingency plan in the event you fail. I just think it's lame for them to plan this 3-5 years before and then we are supposed to act like it was something spontaneous.

2) By how many, though? Like, c'mon. You really think people really had access to info like that? It was either turn on the T.V. or newspaper. Dude, I can get a notification of a player getting traded before the player in said, trade, finds out... Everything is leaked these days. If KD was playing during that time, no one would find him to be a weak baby for having fake Twitter accounts or hopping teams because it wasn't really an option.

TrueFan420
02-01-2018, 04:07 PM
Bron won't take a penny less than max. He's already said it.

Well if that's truly the case then no one needs to worry cause there's no way he can join the warriors making max.

Heediot
02-01-2018, 04:08 PM
I liked what LeBron did, he took risks without joining the best. KD took none and didn't really take much of a pay cut thx to the jump in cap

I don't know. Once that team was formed. They had the best odds of winning the title that first year, and most/vast majority of execs and experts picked them to hoist the trophy.

Now I do agree, he had the right to leave his situation. But he did create/join a stacked team.

KD left a stacked team to joined a super team though, so there's that.

Jamiecballer
02-01-2018, 04:09 PM
Tmac is a great example. Could've joined the spurs but he spurned the thought because he wanted a challenge and found no glory in having it that easy.Orrrr, maybe going somewhere with a coach who would never allow that kind of freedom to a wing player no matter how talented was less appealing if he thought he could play his game and still win in another situation.

I mean we should at least acknowledge we are guessing. And please, anything the player says publicly, to the media, whatever... after signing on the dotted line, the next year, hell even post career - should be discarded. Everthing they say is going to be calculated to come across how they want it too.

There is no such thing as full transparency in sports and this thread is exhibit numero uno for exactly why that is.



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mngopher35
02-01-2018, 04:09 PM
Of course the details are different, but the bottom line is they both went to the best possible situations they could. One fundamental difference is Lebron/Wade/Bosh took fairly big pay cuts to make it happen. Both moves were "cowardly" in the competitive regard for their personal legacy, but ultimately brought in heightened popularity to the game and IMO the ability to watch some truly GOAT level basketball. As a fun thought exercise, go ahead and find the last 10 times a top 5 player had the chance to join a Finals team on the max in the off-season.

HINT: It's a trick question. That opportunity was 1 in a million, so no **** we don't see it.

As another fun thought exercise for everyone out there, try not to live your life with the mentality of a defeatist. You'd be surprised what is possible.


And that's enough KD/Bron talk for the month of February for me.

I am not sure what you are getting at the end but I am more into gambling and playing the odds as I think you are too than blindly hoping for the best. My guess is we both have some good $ down on the team we know will win...

I mean technically anyone can go anywhere for the minimum. What we know is that Lebron made a weak move and created a team that was favorite to win a title but it was to the extent of GS running the league BEFORE durant joined basically. I have been over the context and odds plenty but again this is the type of downplay that ignores obvious logic. Sure they both had different scenarios to choose from and KD's gave him a better excuse to join a top team (they could still pay him and due to injury/suspension arguably lost a close title after 73 wins). That doesn't change any of what actually happened though and in the end that is what really matters not this dumb idea of what people think the intentions were etc.

Like shoot that guy drugged her but it was only because he actually had a pill to do so. That guy using the wingman totally would have if he had the chance/drug. hey both had the same intentions tonight so it's just that one had the opportunity! I am not going to say we know anything about what these guys would do other than what they actually have done and that is the discussion at hand. Lebron could sign for the minimum with GS if he wants the absolute easiest path to a title but I don't think that is true or he would do that personally. We will see I guess.

We can go on and on trying to argue he would have done this or he wanted to do that but the reality is the move KD made was far far different when you don't downplay/ignore the context. Some people will run in circles ignoring context and logic to try and equate the situations, blame Lebron, say it's the same intentions so that doesn't matter etc. but it will always be easy to point out the obvious lack of logic in that stance.

Lebron's move was weak and I have definitely said that before. Durant's is in a whole different stratosphere though when you consider the context and that is what people generally ignore to equate the two.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 04:13 PM
1) Because it's like a contingency plan in the event you fail. I just think it's lame for them to plan this 3-5 years before and then we are supposed to act like it was something spontaneous.

2) By how many, though? Like, c'mon. You really think people really had access to info like that? It was either turn on the T.V. or newspaper. Dude, I can get a notification of a player getting traded before the player in said, trade, finds out... Everything is leaked these days. If KD was playing during that time, no one would find him to be a weak baby for having fake Twitter accounts or hopping teams because it wasn't really an option.
I don't see anything wrong with giving your team a chance and leaving the opening for escape that so many others regretted not having. It's a bit of a compromise but I'm a big fan of 2 parties coming together and agreeing with an objective time table. In brons mind, if you can't build a contender after 7 or whatever years aground me, then I see I no reason why I would sign without an escape clause. You sound very juvenile in your approach imo.

Dude it was known by anyone who lurked in rumor mills, what that number consists of idk but it became common knowledge long before social media became a thing that's for sure

TheDish87
02-01-2018, 04:15 PM
i dont buy this BUT if he goes to GSW i would disqualify him from being eligible for the HOF. **** this egomaniac.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 04:18 PM
I don't see anything wrong with your team a chance and leaving the opening for escape that so many others regretted not having. It's a bit of a compromise but I'm a big fan of 2 parties coming together and agreeing with an objective time table. In brons mind, if you can't build a contender after 7 or whatever years aground me, then I see I no reason why I would sign without an escape clause. You sound very juvenile in your approach imo.

Dude it was known by anyone who lurked in rumor mills, what that number consists of idk but it became common knowledge long before social media became a thing that's for sure

And you sound like an old grandpa who needs to let the younglings take over. Love when old people bring up their seniority status. Yes, you will die sooner. Congrats. Anyhow, you can defend yourself all you want. You talk about collusion like it's a good thing, lmao. Collusion is a NEGATIVE word and response in business.

And if you think they knew more about a player back then than we do now, you are just a liar. Again, you seem to have zero clue on how social media works. We know more about MJ today than we did back then. It's called the Internet. No one digs up newspapers anymore. I thought I would let you in on that secret. And Chronz, you too can use the internet without the help of a family member typing up the website for you.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 04:18 PM
I don't know. Once that team was formed. They had the best odds of winning the title that first year, and most/vast majority of execs and experts picked them to hoist the trophy.

Now I do agree, he had the right to leave his situation. But he did create/join a stacked team.

KD left a stacked team to joined a super team though, so there's that.
Yeah but you know what trumps projections? Facts. And even if you wanted to play that card, no team in history was favored the way currys team was after kd joined. Like this is where context matters, Bron joining a declining unknown cast today would not net the same value whereas kds move was such a ***** move that even after learning this lesson, Vegas STILL ranked the dubs ahead of even the 72 win bulls fresh off a chip. If you're arguing that people are dumb im with you, just don't expect me to adhere to such logic when its been proven false.

Creating an allegedly stacked team isn't the same as joining a certifiable history maker and already championship winner. AGAIN, I WISH she would have merely settled for being a heavy favorite, instead he joined such a team

TrueFan420
02-01-2018, 04:20 PM
1) Just because players do it doesn't mean you have to like it. I find it disgusting that players, on an NBA team currently, collude to join another team while being on contract.

This is something that seriously needs to be addressed by the NBA. As long as a player in under contract for a team they should be considered a messenger of the team and off limits to discuss the joining of their team. I know it would be nearly impossible to enforce this but something should be done as it stands now all they have to do is have the GM ask his player to pass info to another player on another team in a "hypothetical" if you want to come here we do it this way and it's kosher. That just doesn't feel right.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 04:21 PM
Orrrr, maybe going somewhere with a coach who would never allow that kind of freedom to a wing player no matter how talented was less appealing if he thought he could play his game and still win in another situation.

I mean we should at least acknowledge we are guessing. And please, anything the player says publicly, to the media, whatever... after signing on the dotted line, the next year, hell even post career - should be discarded. Everthing they say is going to be calculated to come across how they want it too.

There is no such thing as full transparency in sports and this thread is exhibit numero uno for exactly why that is.



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Why would i think that when I've already heard pop say he would acclimate his approach based on the talent presented, he literally said this about Bron who was less versatile I his approach. So no, u less you have facts to offer, i won't go against pop.

Guessing is fine, it just has to be an educated guess rather than a biased opinion. Show me facts,
Then I'll care.

I don't m know what your last sentence was getting at, feel free to educate me

SfgiantsJD3
02-01-2018, 04:24 PM
Is it possible for LeBron to commit to going there, GS then frees up space by moving pieces or whatever, then he changes his mind after GS has already shipped out a few pieces?

The Warriors wanted a meeting in 2014 and LeBron wouldn't even meet with them, it was simpler back then.
Why would they risk unloading players when he may not meet with them and in the past wouldn't meet with them? in 2014 Trade Barnes or Igoudala and sign LeBron
Curry
Klay
Lee
Lebron
Bogut

Lee gets injured and its

Curry
Klay
Green
Lebron
Bogut

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 04:27 PM
The Warriors wanted a meeting in 2014 and LeBron wouldn't even meet with them, it was simpler back then.
Why would they risk unloading players when he may not meet with them and in the past wouldn't meet with them? in 2014 Trade Barnes or Igoudala and sign LeBron
Curry
Klay
Lee
Lebron
Bogut

Lee gets injured and its

Curry
Klay
Green
Lebron
Bogut

Warriors in 2014 wasn't looking like this Warriors, to be fair. Remember how everyone thought the Spurs were going to be right back at it again with how they whooped the Heat?

Chronz
02-01-2018, 04:30 PM
And you sound like an old grandpa who needs to let the younglings take over. Love when old people bring up their seniority status. Yes, you will die sooner. Congrats. Anyhow, you can defend yourself all you want. You talk about collusion like it's a good thing, lmao. Collusion is a NEGATIVE word and response in business.

And if you think they knew more about a player back then than we do now, you are just a liar. Again, you seem to have zero clue on how social media works. We know more about MJ today than we did back then. It's called the Internet. No one digs up newspapers anymore. I thought I would let you in on that secret. And Chronz, you too can use the internet without the help of a family member typing up the website for you.
Spoken like a true juvenile. I don't knows how old you are, I'm merely talkingabout your mental capacity. You don't know **** about my health or age, for all you know, I die later or younger than you. That had absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, but kids bringup random **** so I don't blame you. Lmfao at collusion being a negative word, lemme guess, you don't do anything the government hasn't given you clearance for. In case you haven't noticed my name has remained Chronz despite chronz going out of fashion AND becoming legal. Idc about social constructs, weed being legal now doesn't change ****, it should have always been legal, hence why the NBA doesn't persecute,hell most players laugh at the NBA drug test, but you want me to focus on labels? Lmfao, dude how old are you and what are you studying, seriously I want to know you outside the NBA.

I never claimed to know more than the collective world, just that I knew more than you because that's how closely and how long I've followed the sport. The answers or clues were there, you just had to be smarter than a millennial

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 04:34 PM
Spoken like a true juvenile. I don't knows how old you are, I'm merely talkingabout your mental capacity. You don't know **** about my health or age, for all you know, I die later or younger than you. That had absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, but kids bringup random **** so I don't blame you. Lmfao at collusion being a negative word, lemme guess, you don't do anything the government hasn't given you clearance for. In case you haven't noticed my name has remained Chronz despite chronz going out of fashion AND becoming legal. Idc about social constructs, weed being legal now doesn't change ****, it should have always been legal, hence why the NBA doesn't persecute,hell most players laugh at the NBA drug test, but you want me to focus on labels? Lmfao, dude how old are you and what are you studying, seriously I want to know you outside the NBA.

I never claimed to know more than the collective world, just that I knew more than you because that's how closely and how long I've followed the sport. The answers or clues were there, you just had to be smarter than a millennial

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

Find me the word collusion in a positive concept, bud. It isn't. When the word COLLUSION is mentioned in business, you have the SEC and lawyers coming into play. Don't use words you aren't familiar with.

And you seem to again, not understand that there are very few hardcore NBA fans relative to casual fans. NBA doesn't care about us diehard shmucks. They care about the fans who are shelling money into their product with or without care of "competition." Don't tell me a casual fan had more knowledge of the NBA environment back then than they do now. It's a lie and you know it.

Bringing up non-basketball related info to you proves nothing. You can interject all you want with your nonsense. I was speaking of the moral impact in colluding rather than actually colluding. If you'd rather a player collude with another player before their contract is even close to expiring, then that's your own decision. Most people would rather not hear about these things because it shows a lack of character in competing. I've already said it is impossible to stop collusion. But by your logic, you would love it if the government committed collusion. That's literally what you just said.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 04:45 PM
But it is complicated because the same is true for just about every free agent. I think the case where a free agent has the option to go to a better team, and that team has both the fit and equal interest, as well as cap room or flexibility to make it happen BUT doesn't is probably not very common.

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LeBron took extreme measures to team up with his buddies to make life easier on himself to win a ring. I honestly love the "every player wants it easier argument". What LeBron did was not typical. We can excuse it all we want now but it's a fact.

Both players had enormous expectations to win a ring, both found easier ways to get it.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 04:54 PM
LeBron took extreme measures to team up with his buddies to make life easier on himself to win a ring. I honestly love the "every player wants it easier argument". What LeBron did was not typical. We can excuse it all we want now but it's a fact.

Both players had enormous expectations to win a ring, both found easier ways to get it.

What LeBron did wasn't typical because he's LeBron. Plenty of players have done what he has done but none of his caliber. I'm not sure what something being typical or not typical has to do with the result. You're also not taking into account that KD had it pretty good in OKC. We were a top five NBA team for many years and you could make a case a top three NBA team for more than a few years. In fact, could you imagine if Durant didn't choke and we faced Cleveland in the Finals - to which I believe we would have won? How much more different would KD's legacy be if he had beaten LeBron in 2016 and LeBron only has two rings but KD has one and is more than a few years younger? LeBron was stuck on a trash team finally having the ability to create a great team. KD was on a great team. If LeBron had KD's 2015-16 roster in 2009, he ain't leaving Cleveland.

Bostonjorge
02-01-2018, 04:56 PM
Lebron is not built like Kyrie

Chronz
02-01-2018, 05:01 PM
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

Find me the word collusion in a positive concept, bud. It isn't. When the word COLLUSION is mentioned in business, you have the SEC and lawyers coming into play. Don't use words you aren't familiar with.

And you seem to again, not understand that there are very few hardcore NBA fans relative to casual fans. NBA doesn't care about us diehard shmucks. They care about the fans who are shelling money into their product with or without care of "competition." Don't tell me a casual fan had more knowledge of the NBA environment back then than they do now. It's a lie and you know it.

Bringing up non-basketball related info to you proves nothing. You can interject all you want with your nonsense. I was speaking of the moral impact in colluding rather than actually colluding. If you'd rather a player collude with another player before their contract is even close to expiring, then that's your own decision. Most people would rather not hear about these things because it shows a lack of character in competing. I've already said it is impossible to stop collusion. But by your logic, you would love it if the government committed collusion. That's literally what you just said.
Sure, here's the positive concept. Guys(possibly friends) talking about their future, possibly together. what a crime. Should Bron and wade been told not to join forces even tho wade wasn't even close to winning, on the decline and lived in fun af Miami? You guys are cold blooded, where could Bron have gone that made it ok?

I'm never coming from the mindset of a casual fan so drop the pretenses. You consider yourself a hardcore fan and that's key, just know hard core fans didn't need social media to follow back ground rumblings even back then. For as much as you think we know today, there is just as much misinformation against it. It's literally a thing in most politically swayed debates in America.

My non basketball related question was only a request, you don't have to tell me (or pm me) anything I'm just curious because its what I do as an interest in my life.

Morally speaking, none of us have the high ground, it's too subjective to dissect, I respect your opinion even when I 100% disagree, that's solely due to the conviction in your beliefs, just know it runs dry when you insist on knowing everything

aman_13
02-01-2018, 05:04 PM
What LeBron did wasn't typical because he's LeBron. Plenty of players have done what he has done but none of his caliber. I'm not sure what something being typical or not typical has to do with the result. You're also not taking into account that KD had it pretty good in OKC. We were a top five NBA team for many years and you could make a case a top three NBA team for more than a few years. In fact, could you imagine if Durant didn't choke and we faced Cleveland in the Finals - to which I believe we would have won? How much more different would KD's legacy be if he had beaten LeBron in 2016 and LeBron only has two rings but KD has one and is more than a few years younger? LeBron was stuck on a trash team finally having the ability to create a great team. KD was on a great team. If LeBron had KD's 2015-16 roster in 2009, he ain't leaving Cleveland.

Yes my entire premise is based on the fact that he's LeBron. This is where my point gets lost. For some reason I can't acknowledge that KD's move was weaker but both looked to find an easier way to win.

I'm reading comments from 2010 and people are calling him a coward, quitter, Robin etc. Sounds familiar?

Chronz
02-01-2018, 05:07 PM
Ok I think I've reached the point where I have to argue against this same damn idea another day, re-read some of my posts and I'm already seeing the dick tone. **** it, I'm outs. KD is a goat who took the hardest route. Klay is wet.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 05:09 PM
Sure, here's the positive concept. Guys(possibly friends) talking about their future, possibly together. what a crime. Should Bron and wade been told not to join forces even tho wade wasn't even close to winning, on the decline and lived in fun af Miami? You guys are cold blooded, where could Bron have gone that made it ok?

I'm never coming from the mindset of a casual fan so drop the pretenses. You consider yourself a hardcore fan and that's key, just know hard core fans didn't need social media to follow back ground rumblings even back then. For as much as you think we know today, there is just as much misinformation against it. It's literally a thing in most politically swayed debates in America.

My non basketball related question was only a request, you don't have to tell me (or pm me) anything I'm just curious because its what I do as an interest in my life.

Morally speaking, none of us have the high ground, it's too subjective to dissect, I respect your opinion even when I 100% disagree, that's solely due to the conviction in your beliefs, just know it runs dry when you insist on knowing everything

And how is doing that not deceiving a team of what you're planning to do? Was this before or after he said, "I want to win a title for Cleveland"?

Vee-Rex
02-01-2018, 05:11 PM
Why is a "LeBron could go to the Warriors if they had the cap space for a max contract" thread 16 pages long in just 7 hours?

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 05:12 PM
Yes my entire premise is based on the fact that he's LeBron. This is where my point gets lost. For some reason I can't acknowledge that KD's move was weaker but both looked to find an easier way to win.

I'm reading comments from 2010 and people are calling him a coward, quitter, Robin etc. Sounds familiar?

LeBron's was worse in terms of reaction. KD's was worse in impact. You're probably never going to see another player get as much hate as LeBron did after announcing he would sign with Miami. Let me ask you, though, it's 2015-16 and LeBron just lost to the Warriors after that Finals. LeBron says, "I am signing with the Warriors." Do you think that would be worse than his Miami signing? I do.

Muttman73
02-01-2018, 05:13 PM
Lebron started this whole mess with the Miami Heat Big 3.

EXACTLY and that's when I stopped caring about the NBA

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 05:14 PM
EXACTLY and that's when I stopped caring about the NBA

*but i still show up on the NBA basketball forum because...."

aman_13
02-01-2018, 05:18 PM
LeBron's was worse in terms of reaction. KD's was worse in impact. You're probably never going to see another player get as much hate as LeBron did after announcing he would sign with Miami. Let me ask you, though, it's 2015-16 and LeBron just lost to the Warriors after that Finals. LeBron says, "I am signing with the Warriors." Do you think that would be worse than his Miami signing? I do.

It's worse. But again, not the point I was making.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 05:19 PM
Why is a "LeBron could go to the Warriors if they had the cap space for a max contract" thread 16 pages long in just 7 hours?

It's all my fault.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 05:26 PM
LeBron took extreme measures to team up with his buddies to make life easier on himself to win a ring. I honestly love the "every player wants it easier argument". What LeBron did was not typical. We can excuse it all we want now but it's a fact.

Both players had enormous expectations to win a ring, both found easier ways to get it.

What LeBron did was build something new to compete, kd saw a team that could already compete at a the highest of levels and saw fit to mount that **** and ride the wave into oblivion.

Rape differs my friend

Chronz
02-01-2018, 05:28 PM
And how is doing that not deceiving a team of what you're planning to do? Was this before or after he said, "I want to win a title for Cleveland"?
He's of no obligation to maintain any mindset given experience. Lemme ask you this, how many times does your wife have to cheat on you before enough is enough? What if you promised your children you would never leave them only to find governments siding with females and you having to break that promise lest you risk it All. What you doing?

nastynice
02-01-2018, 05:29 PM
lmaooo!!

What up Sadds! What up flash, what up IKnowHoops!

My God I would pay money to see haters faces when they read this news!
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Chronz
02-01-2018, 05:30 PM
Why is a "LeBron could go to the Warriors if they had the cap space for a max contract" thread 16 pages long in just 7 hours?
Fun. Drunk. Waiting for my dog to get out of surgery. Read the origins of this thread and got triggered. Honestly, only reason I come to psd is to keep up with this bs

nastynice
02-01-2018, 05:31 PM
Come thru LeBron!

Come thru blood! I would laugh my *** off for days if he did!

nastynice
02-01-2018, 05:32 PM
Fun. Drunk. Waiting for my dog to get out of surgery. Read the origins of this thread and got triggered. Honestly, only reason I come to psd is to keep up with this bs

You're triggered by anything warriors

nastynice
02-01-2018, 05:34 PM
It's all my fault.

At least ur man enough to admit it

Chronz
02-01-2018, 05:38 PM
You're triggered by anything warriors
You could say the dubs are the greatest collection of talent ever assembled and I would bring back "duh"

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 05:42 PM
He's of no obligation to maintain any mindset given experience. Lemme ask you this, how many times does your wife have to cheat on you before enough is enough? What if you promised your children you would never leave them only to find governments siding with females and you having to break that promise lest you risk it All. What you doing?

I'm speaking about the morality of it. I said I don't agree with it but acknowledge that it's something that can't be prevented. Just because it's done doesn't mean I have to agree that it should be done.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 05:43 PM
Bad timing for lol, please to miss this. His insight would be entertaining. Can we bring him back?

aman_13
02-01-2018, 05:44 PM
What LeBron did was build something new to compete, kd saw a team that could already compete at a the highest of levels and saw fit to mount that **** and ride the wave into oblivion.

Rape differs my friend

You could of at least chose a pleasant analogy lol.

aman_13
02-01-2018, 05:48 PM
Bad timing for lol, please to miss this. His insight would be entertaining. Can we bring him back?

I was bummed to see him get the perma ban. I just didn't realize it was due to racial reasons.

SfgiantsJD3
02-01-2018, 05:48 PM
Warriors in 2014 wasn't looking like this Warriors, to be fair. Remember how everyone thought the Spurs were going to be right back at it again with how they whooped the Heat?

His agent took meetings with the Lakers (27-55) , Rockets (54-28) , Mavericks (49-33) and Heat (54-28) before signing with Cleveland (‎33–49).
Warriors were 51-31

aman_13
02-01-2018, 05:50 PM
At least ur man enough to admit it

I haven't got into a debate on here in a while. It was fun lol.