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HandsOnTheWheel
01-29-2018, 07:13 PM
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goingfor28
01-29-2018, 07:14 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski

@wojespn

The Clippers and Pistons are engaged in serious talks on a deal centered on All-Star forward Blake Griffin, league sources tell ESPN.

6:02 PM ∑ Jan 29, 2018

Hmmmm

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LionsFan..LOL
01-29-2018, 07:18 PM
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mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 07:27 PM
What could this deal look like? I can't envision a scenario where Detroit would deal Drummond for Griffin. What would be the point in that, especially with DJ in LA still? Maybe it's something like Bradley's expiring plus either Harris or Jackson and their 1st rounder for Griffin?

If that were the case, I would love this deal for Detroit. A Griffin/Drummond front court in the East would be pretty formidable. They just need a playmaker at PG to really make that team work.

goingfor28
01-29-2018, 07:29 PM
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Kevin O'Connor

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The deal I heard that's being discussed is Blake Griffin for Avery Bradley, Tobias Harris, Boban Marjanovic, and a first-round pick.



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Blink
01-29-2018, 07:30 PM
Supposedly its a package of Bradley, Boban, Harris and a 1st.

Honestly seems like we could get beat rather easily with another teams offer.

warfelg
01-29-2018, 07:31 PM
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goingfor28
01-29-2018, 07:32 PM
That was quick lol

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Htownballa1622
01-29-2018, 07:32 PM
done deal :speechless:

KingPosey
01-29-2018, 07:33 PM
Man I just canít see something that makes sense if youíre the clippers. Blake being hurt every six minutes is beyond annoying but if youíre the clippers you need to be VERY careful about giving up a star because that team
Wonít recover

warfelg
01-29-2018, 07:33 PM
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Htownballa1622
01-29-2018, 07:33 PM
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KobeOwnSU
01-29-2018, 07:34 PM
Hahaha Clippers will be the Clippers.

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warfelg
01-29-2018, 07:34 PM
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7 Months after that, and 4 months from a full NTC LAC do him dirty.

KobeOwnSU
01-29-2018, 07:35 PM
Clippers about to go in tank mode. Who wants Lou Williams?

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Sly Guy
01-29-2018, 07:36 PM
in other news, the clippers have announced they're moving to seattle and being renamed the sonics.

KingPosey
01-29-2018, 07:37 PM
Man thatís not enough. Did they forget they could make 28 other phone calls?

goingfor28
01-29-2018, 07:38 PM
Clippers are going nowhere out west for the foreseeable future. Might as well trade off assets for picks. Should unload DJ/Lou/Gallo as well.

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tredigs
01-29-2018, 07:38 PM
This is insane. The Clippers are insane. The Detroit picks won't even be valuable. Wow.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-29-2018, 07:38 PM
This will sell tickets for the new Pistons arena to say the least

LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:38 PM
Wow. Holy crap! DJ is gone for sure now. Just a matter of to where. Lou will too prolly. Full tank mode. They are gonna be irrelevant for a long time.

But jeezus this came outta nowhere?! Didnt see anything like this anywhere

warfelg
01-29-2018, 07:39 PM
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KobeOwnSU
01-29-2018, 07:40 PM
958121789179203585That pick will be in 2018. Somewhere in the 18-24 range probably.

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LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:40 PM
How much cap relief does this provide? That's the only reason I can see them doing this
I feel like they coulda got a better deal elsewhere. Cavs didnt try and get in on blake?!

KobeOwnSU
01-29-2018, 07:40 PM
How much cap relief does this provide? That's the only reason I can see them doing this
I feel like they coulda got a better deal elsewhere. Cavs didnt try and get in on blake?!I do believe they are all expiring deals so it looks like they get completely out of the Griffin deal and add a couple ****** picks.

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kdspurman
01-29-2018, 07:41 PM
This is insane. The Clippers are insane. The Detroit picks won't even be valuable. Wow.

Yea very odd lol

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 07:41 PM
What the ****?! That's why they want to extend Lou and DJ. They want to increase their trade value to get the Nets pick from Cleveland.

KingPosey
01-29-2018, 07:42 PM
I mean, my kings would accidentally make a better offer than this and theyíd do it too, theyíre desperate

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 07:42 PM
**** Cavs should've gave the Nets pick for Griffin.

IT
Wade
LeBron
Griffin
Love

LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:42 PM
I do believe they are all expiring deals so it looks like they get completely out of the Griffin deal and add a couple ****** picks.

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Well ****. Clearing house for sure then. This basically guarantees DJ is gone

Cal827
01-29-2018, 07:43 PM
Wow, Clippers are looking to tank now. Detroit got away with murder in this trade... This is only slightly better than the Demarcus deal.

The new feature player is gonna be Austin Rivers since DJ and Lou are probably on their way to Cleveland for their 2nd round pick, Thompson, and Shumpert :laugh2:

KobeOwnSU
01-29-2018, 07:43 PM
How long until Doc quits?

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LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:44 PM
What the ****?! That's why they want to extend Lou and DJ. They want to increase their trade value to get the Nets pick from Cleveland.

They gettin that brooklyn pick. DJ and Lou for bkln+expiring salary filler?

LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:44 PM
Wow, Clippers are looking to tank now. Detroit got away with murder in this trade... This is only slightly better than the Demarcus deal.

The new feature player is gonna be Austin Rivers since DJ and Lou are probably on their way to Cleveland for their 2nd round pick, Thompson, and Shumpert :laugh2:

Doc is prolly gonna try n get Austin and himself out pronto

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 07:45 PM
They gettin that brooklyn pick. DJ and Lou for bkln+expiring salary filler?

Probably if they extend DJ and Lou but idk for real. Idk what their asking price is after seeing this Griffin trade. I mean the Cavs could've offered the Nets pick for Griffin and Lou Will and the Clippers would've been much better off.

LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:47 PM
Probably if they extend DJ and Lou but idk for real. Idk what their asking price is after seeing this Griffin trade. I mean the Cavs could've offered the Nets pick for Griffin and Lou Will and the Clippers would've been much better off.

Clippers gon clip. I can't believe cleveland didnt try to get blake honestly.

Coulda tried love+expiring salary plus bkn pick for DJ blake and Lou

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 07:48 PM
Clippers arent tanking. they're retooling.

Jerry West knows how to build teams, just give him time.

kdspurman
01-29-2018, 07:50 PM
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LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:50 PM
Clippers arent tanking. they're retooling.

Jerry West knows how to build teams, just give him time.

It's gonna be a min before they are relevant again.

LOb0
01-29-2018, 07:52 PM
Clippers arent tanking. they're retooling.

Jerry West knows how to build teams, just give him time.

That should make everyone rethink this. He knows what he's doing.

It was the correct move to dump Blake now, but I just don't think they got a lot back.

Dade County
01-29-2018, 07:52 PM
Crazy trade...

I think other teams could have joined in on this and maybe got him instead.

Also, Blake got his money, but he should of just signed with another team this past of season; now his stuck in Detroit. LA to Detroit life style.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 07:52 PM
Clippers gon clip. I can't believe cleveland didnt try to get blake honestly.

Coulda tried love+expiring salary plus bkn pick for DJ blake and Lou

Yea that's true too.

LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:52 PM
Lmao kdspurman. Bet he wish he woulda stayed w dallas. Ahaha. Jk but in all seriousness hes so gone.

Who knows blake mighta known it was basically gonna be him alone and went to seek a trade

aman_13
01-29-2018, 07:53 PM
Wow.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 07:53 PM
Clippers arent tanking. they're retooling.

Jerry West knows how to build teams, just give him time.

Well he did a terrible job retooling here. Griffin is borderline top 10 when he plays.

cheetos185
01-29-2018, 07:54 PM
Man what ainge got for Pierce/Garnett was way better than what clips got for cp3/blake lol

Ainge>West :laugh:

LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:55 PM
Its just crazy. This **** came.outta nowhere. Been talkin. About DJ and Lou gettin gone all season and fuggin blake goes 1st

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 07:56 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers kept this current core. They look alot faster.

LA4life24/8
01-29-2018, 07:56 PM
Man what ainge got for Pierce/Garnett was way better than what clips got for cp3/blake lol

Ainge>West :laugh:

Ainge raped a bad owner. That **** shoulda got vetoed for "basketball reasons" lol

mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 07:56 PM
Why in the hell did the Clippers re-sign Blake to that huge contract if they weren't even going to keep him for a full season? This just doesn't make a ton of sense to me. But maybe they think DJ is on his way out, and they can see the writing on the wall that it's over?

I don't buy that this is "retooling." This is straight up tanking. Lou Will, Bradley and possibly DJ can all be free agents after this season. Beverley, Harris and Rivers will be free agents the following year. Gallo is the only substantial guy locked in past that, and he can't stay healthy. I expect Lou Will is going to get dealt next, and I wouldn't be shocked to see DJ gone before the deadline. Doc may be on his way out as well.

kdspurman
01-29-2018, 07:56 PM
Was looking forward to those Rockets/Clippers matchups too. Not sure CP3 is as familiar with the Pistons facility

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 07:57 PM
Great trades for both teams.

Blake is usually never healthy enough nor consistent in the playoffs. A change of scenery might help him.

Tobias+Bradley are both going to be FA's soon and they got picks for him. This season was honestly going bad for them both.

I like it. Good on the Clippers for going the rebuilding mode but they need to let DJ go, IMO.

ball4reel
01-29-2018, 07:57 PM
That Nets pick is not as good as you think it is.. The Nets are not as bad as everyone thought they were gonna be.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 07:57 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers kept this current core. They look alot faster.

Nah they just said they're still taking calls on Lou and dJ.

basch152
01-29-2018, 07:57 PM
**** this trade.

I liked Harris. I liked Bradley.

those are two players you can build a team around. a 3 &d guy and both are among the best shooters in the nba.

they traded them for an older PF with an injury history who is a stat stuffer and overrated as ****

seriously. **** this trade.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 07:57 PM
That Nets pick is not as good as you think it is.. The Nets are not as bad as everyone thought they were gonna be.

Is the 7th pick as of right now, that ***** on anything the Clippers just got.

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 07:58 PM
**** this trade.

I liked Harris. I liked Bradley.

those are two players you can build a team around. a 3 &d guy and both are among the best shooters in the nba.

they traded them for an older PF with an injury history who is a stat stuffer and overrated as ****

seriously. **** this trade.

And both those two are going to be FA's very soon.. not like you guys had them for the foreseeable future and it clearly wasn't working out.

Forever35
01-29-2018, 07:58 PM
Seems like a fair trade IMO...

Tells me that LAC are all in for Jordan... He'll get a new contract there... Harris's contract should be easy to move around draft time or at the deadline next season... Gallo was a big contract, but if he gets healthy he'll be fine...

Detroit obviously wants the playoffs and they want a new face along with Drummond... That Detroit 1st round won't be anything special unless Blake gets Blaked again...

Pretty good fireworks before the deadline... Hopefully it's not a one night show...

YAALREADYKNO
01-29-2018, 07:58 PM
Damn out of nowhere

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 07:59 PM
So this just shows us we can sit here and act like we know trade values for every star but they could actually end up going for scraps.

NYKnickFanatic
01-29-2018, 07:59 PM
I like the trade for the Clippers. Very underrated.

HandsOnTheWheel
01-29-2018, 08:00 PM
If a mod can update the title, thanks

LOb0
01-29-2018, 08:00 PM
Well he did a terrible job retooling here. Griffin is borderline top 10 when he plays.

This is important. Top 10 is going a bit far, and he'll decline soon.

Best to trade a guy like that sooner rather than later.

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 08:01 PM
Is the 7th pick as of right now, that ***** on anything the Clippers just got.

they got major cap relief and assets on a Injury prone player they probably didn't want to resign this year.

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 08:01 PM
Clippers can still trade Avery Bradley for another 1st round pick.

kdspurman
01-29-2018, 08:02 PM
If a mod can update the title, thanks

Got you as soon as i get to my computer

cheetos185
01-29-2018, 08:02 PM
Why in the hell did the Clippers re-sign Blake to that huge contract if they weren't even going to keep him for a full season? This just doesn't make a ton of sense to me. But maybe they think DJ is on his way out, and they can see the writing on the wall that it's over?

I don't buy that this is "retooling." This is straight up tanking. Lou Will, Bradley and possibly DJ can all be free agents after this season. Beverley, Harris and Rivers will be free agents the following year. Gallo is the only substantial guy locked in past that, and he can't stay healthy. I expect Lou Will is going to get dealt next, and I wouldn't be shocked to see DJ gone before the deadline. Doc may be on his way out as well.

They also paid gallo whose going to be eating up the cap now

basch152
01-29-2018, 08:03 PM
And both those two are going to be FA's very soon.. not like you guys had them for the foreseeable future and it clearly wasn't working out.

it's just annoying with Detroit having 3 elite 3pt shooters in Jackson, Bradley, and Harris and being a 5ish seed before Jackson went down to now having no 3pt shooters on the entire team aside from tolliver now.

the paint is going to be clustered as **** and it's not going to work.

the pistons literally got worse right here. it's not hard to see.

LOb0
01-29-2018, 08:03 PM
Clippers can still trade Avery Bradley for another 1st round pick.

Good God the Cavs could use him. If they could swing a Bradley and DJ trade. So many problems would be fixed.

mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 08:03 PM
For the record, I think the Clippers should have gotten a little more for Blake. But that being said, I understand the direction that franchise is headed. That team isn't the same without CP3, and if DJ is on his way out and Gallo can't stay on the floor, that team is destined for mediocrity the next 3-5 years. It's better to deal those guys while they still can, stockpile picks and young assets and go full tank mode.

For Detroit, I have no idea what that team is going to look like, but I'm definitely interested to see how they play. I don't think there's a front court in the East that's remotely as good as Griffin/Drummond right now. That's going to be really tough to defend, and the East isn't exactly stacked with elite defensive bigs.

basch152
01-29-2018, 08:03 PM
Good God the Cavs could use him. If they could swing a Bradley and DJ trade. So many problems would be fixed.

Bradley is definitely better than any guard currently on the cavs.

tredigs
01-29-2018, 08:04 PM
**** this trade.

I liked Harris. I liked Bradley.

those are two players you can build a team around. a 3 &d guy and both are among the best shooters in the nba.

they traded them for an older PF with an injury history who is a stat stuffer and overrated as ****

seriously. **** this trade.
You just got a 28 year old borderline superstar when he's healthy for ancillary pieces and middling draft picks. You should be THRILLED. BG added thev3 ball to his game this year too. He's a good fit next to Drummond and makes it more likely that you can sign a decent free agent over the summer. You won. Be happy.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:04 PM
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WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:05 PM
Bradley is definitely better than any guard currently on the cavs.

Other than IT and Wade.

mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 08:05 PM
They also paid gallo whose going to be eating up the cap now

Yeah, that Gallo contract looks exceptionally bad now. If they had just paid Blake, they'd be a hell of a lot happier today than they probably are. All that money they're going to have to pay Gallo for a team that probably won't win 30 games next season...

basch152
01-29-2018, 08:05 PM
Other than IT and Wade.

lol, Bradley is quite easily better than both.

kobebabe
01-29-2018, 08:06 PM
I am not sure why people are saying its a bad trade. Sure they could have had a better return but who knows if Doc tried but there were no takers? may be this is the best he ofer he got out there. We are acting like Blake is such a special player. He's good but he's often injured. Doesn't play much in the playoffs due to injury.

basch152
01-29-2018, 08:07 PM
You just got a 28 year old borderline superstar when he's healthy for ancillary pieces and middling draft picks. You should be THRILLED. BG added thev3 ball to his game this year too. He's a good fit next to Drummond and makes it more likely that you can sign a decent free agent over the summer. You won. Be happy.

I can't believe people still suck so hard at seeing players that don't help the win column. bg is one of those players. he's not good.

I would EASILY have a multi faceted player like Harris on my team any day of the week and Bradley is practically the definition of a 3&D guy which is one of the most important things you can have in today's NBA.

Forever35
01-29-2018, 08:07 PM
AB gets bought out from LAC... DA uses the DPE on him... Talk about full circle if that's even allowed...

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:08 PM
it's just annoying with Detroit having 3 elite 3pt shooters in Jackson, Bradley, and Harris and being a 5ish seed before Jackson went down to now having no 3pt shooters on the entire team aside from tolliver now.

the paint is going to be clustered as **** and it's not going to work.

the pistons literally got worse right here. it's not hard to see.

The problem is, there wasn't a strong market for Bradley and Tobias is a free agent after next season. Blake Griffin is a solid piece for the Pistons. This wasn't a bad trade at all. Your team was poopoo for much of the season (due to two large losing streaks). Something had to change.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:08 PM
lol, Bradley is quite easily better than both.

Lmao! Not at all, last I checked IT was 5th in the MVP voting and the clear leader of that Celtics team last year, Bradley has fallen off without IT and Wade is leading one of the best benches in the NBA.

mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 08:08 PM
it's just annoying with Detroit having 3 elite 3pt shooters in Jackson, Bradley, and Harris and being a 5ish seed before Jackson went down to now having no 3pt shooters on the entire team aside from tolliver now.

the paint is going to be clustered as **** and it's not going to work.

the pistons literally got worse right here. it's not hard to see.

Wow... Was not expecting this reaction from a Pistons fan. I mean, I like Bradley and Harris, but those guys are role players at best. Even only getting 60 games of Blake Griffin a season is better than 80 games of those two guys.

It may not work out, but if I were a Detroit fan, I'd be totally stoked that my front office was trying to compete and get better. And I'd be looking around at the rest of the East and thinking my team has a legitimate shot to contend in that conference for a long time. If you guys get a quality guard or wing to pair with those guys (not a fan of Reggie), that has the potential to be a damn fine basketball team.

bigmac8675
01-29-2018, 08:09 PM
Clippers going full rebuild mode

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:09 PM
Wow... Was not expecting this reaction from a Pistons fan. I mean, I like Bradley and Harris, but those guys are role players at best. Even only getting 60 games of Blake Griffin a season is better than 80 games of those two guys.

It may not work out, but if I were a Detroit fan, I'd be totally stoked that my front office was trying to compete and get better. And I'd be looking around at the rest of the East and thinking my team has a legitimate shot to contend in that conference for a long time. If you guys get a quality guard or wing to pair with those guys (not a fan of Reggie), that has the potential to be a damn fine basketball team.

Disagree on Harris being a role player. Cavs should have gone after him, IMO. I mean, if we could have gotten Harris for Melo, I'd do it. Quickly.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:09 PM
I can't believe people still suck so hard at seeing players that don't help the win column. bg is one of those players. he's not good.

I would EASILY have a multi faceted player like Harris on my team any day of the week and Bradley is practically the definition of a 3&D guy which is one of the most important things you can have in today's NBA.

So Blake isn't good? Good lord.

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:09 PM
So Blake isn't good? Good lord.

Blake sucks at the playoffs. Still worth gambling on him at this point but people seem to forget that Blake is constantly injured in some shape or form and also gets bullied by Zach Randolph.. he shrinks in the playoffs.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:10 PM
Frye Shumpert Cedi Zizic JR Nets pick for AB Lou and DJ.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:11 PM
Blake sucks at the playoffs. Still worth gambling on him at this point but people seem to forget that Blake is constantly injured in some shape or form and also gets bullied by Zach Randolph.. he shrinks in the playoffs.

He's still a great player. Any team should take him for that package.

cheetos185
01-29-2018, 08:11 PM
Reggie/Blake/Drummond doesn't seem like a good fit i don't see lob city in detroit lol

GiantsSwaGG
01-29-2018, 08:11 PM
Pistons got worse :shrug:

Clippers actually got better but if theyíre trading DJ then theyíre definitely in tank mode

Imo itís a bad trade for the Pistons. Blake is a borderline superstar but his knees are about to explode, isnít that much of a difference maker, heís signed to a max contract and picks. The Pistons were better off trading Bradley/Harris for picks.

mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 08:12 PM
Disagree on Harris being a role player. Cavs should have gone after him, IMO. I mean, if we could have gotten Harris for Melo, I'd do it. Quickly.

"Role player" isn't really a fair description of the guy. But I don't think he can be your second best player on a contending team. At best, he's a solid No. 3. And in that regard, he's kind of a role player. Compared to Blake, who can be an elite No. 2 or a weak No. 1, Harris just isn't remotely in the same league.

GiantsSwaGG
01-29-2018, 08:12 PM
So Blake isn't good? Good lord.

Heís overrated

Westbrook36
01-29-2018, 08:13 PM
Yeah, that Gallo contract looks exceptionally bad now. If they had just paid Blake, they'd be a hell of a lot happier today than they probably are. All that money they're going to have to pay Gallo for a team that probably won't win 30 games next season...

Does it really hurt them that much though? They'll likely move Jordan/Lou and in the end will need to hit the cap floor. He'll have another two years while nobody will want to sign with LAC anyway.

Saddletramp
01-29-2018, 08:13 PM
Yeah, I was looking forward to those Clippers/Rockets games coming up.
And that's hilarious that DaJ stayed for his guys and now they're all gone.

LOb0
01-29-2018, 08:14 PM
Frye Shumpert Cedi Zizic JR Nets pick for AB Lou and DJ.


All 3 is a bit of a pipe dream for that package. But I'd pull the trigger on that in a heart beat if I were the Cavs.

No way in hell they take JR.

mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 08:15 PM
Does it really hurt them that much though? They'll likely move Jordan/Lou and in the end will need to hit the cap floor. He'll have another two years while nobody will want to sign with LAC anyway.

It probably won't hurt them that much, but it's not a moveable asset either. And if I was a rebuilding team going into tank mode, I'd rather be overpaying a young guy with upside (like Harris) than aging veterans who can't stay on the floor (like Gallo).

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:15 PM
"Role player" isn't really a fair description of the guy. But I don't think he can be your second best player on a contending team. At best, he's a solid No. 3. And in that regard, he's kind of a role player. Compared to Blake, who can be an elite No. 2 or a weak No. 1, Harris just isn't remotely in the same league.

But think about it: How many teams are actually contenders with the amount of stacked talent on a few teams? It used to be that one superstar and another All-Star on your team was enough. Now? You'll need at least two superstars. So if you're talking about contending for the title, yeah, I mean he probably would be a 3-4th option. But look at Klay+Draymond. They are 3-4th options on the Warriors. He might not be in the same league but he's still very young and gets better every year.

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:16 PM
All 3 is a bit of a pipe dream for that package. But I'd pull the trigger on that in a heart beat if I were the Cavs.

No way in hell they take JR.

LAC are in tank mode. They have no leverage here. I think they'll take that Cavs deal if IT was included instead of J.R., though.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:17 PM
All 3 is a bit of a pipe dream for that package. But I'd pull the trigger on that in a heart beat if I were the Cavs.

No way in hell they take JR.

Throw TT in there instead then but I don't think they care about salary if they're rebuilding. They get a top 7 pick and 2 solid young prospects.

One Nut Kruk
01-29-2018, 08:18 PM
The problem is, there wasn't a strong market for Bradley and Tobias is a free agent after next season. Blake Griffin is a solid piece for the Pistons. This wasn't a bad trade at all. Your team was poopoo for much of the season (due to two large losing streaks). Something had to change.

Apparently he must suck at seeing the Pistons current win column.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:21 PM
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Extensions for Lou and DJ increases trade value.

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:22 PM
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Extensions for Lou and DJ increases trade value.

I think you read that incorrectly or maybe I am. They are trying to get Lou/DJ for the right price and also working on trades for them at the same time. They are not trying to extend them for the purpose of trading.

TrueFan420
01-29-2018, 08:23 PM
Yeah, I was looking forward to those Clippers/Rockets games coming up.
And that's hilarious that DaJ stayed for his guys and now they're all gone.
Bet Cuban is getting a giggle tho

LOb0
01-29-2018, 08:25 PM
Bet Cuban is getting a giggle tho

Or foaming at the mouth thinking he can still get him and make him "the man".

How stupid was that entire thing?

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:26 PM
I think you read that incorrectly or maybe I am. They are trying to get Lou/DJ for the right price and also working on trades for them at the same time. They are not trying to extend them for the purpose of trading.

Why look at trade deals if the goal is to extend though? Is AB eligible for an extension?

basch152
01-29-2018, 08:29 PM
Lmao! Not at all, last I checked IT was 5th in the MVP voting and the clear leader of that Celtics team last year, Bradley has fallen off without IT and Wade is leading one of the best benches in the NBA.

I'm tired of this argument at this point.

been over it so many times already. Players who are only good at scoring and can't do anything else are always the most overrated players in the NBA, they generally don't help win columns that much but retards see their numbers and OMG IT IS A TOP 3 PLAYER IN THE NBA!!!!

they're good in situations with perfect teammates, like in a good luck and role system or surrounded by great defensive teammates who will fill all the holes. but most teams don't get better with a player like that.

luckily for him his time in Boston was filled with exactly those kind of teammates.


Reggie/Blake/Drummond doesn't seem like a good fit i don't see lob city in detroit lol


they arent. it's an atrocious fit and anyone who isn't a moron can see the pistons just got a lot worwe.

you now have a C/PF combo of Drummond and griffen with pretty much zero three point shooting. anyone with half a brain can tell you it's not going to work.

Pistons got worse :shrug:

Clippers actually got better but if theyíre trading DJ then theyíre definitely in tank mode

Imo itís a bad trade for the Pistons. Blake is a borderline superstar but his knees are about to explode, isnít that much of a difference maker, heís signed to a max contract and picks. The Pistons were better off trading Bradley/Harris for picks.

very clearly got worse. much worse defensively, much worse 3pt shooting, but I mean...they'll be able to score in the paint. whoopty ****ing doo.

Raps08-09 Champ
01-29-2018, 08:30 PM
What a hell of a deal for the Pistons.

KingPosey
01-29-2018, 08:30 PM
I just have a hard time believing they got the best deal available. My
Kings are desperate for a star, Iíd have to believe OKC would HAVE to think long and hard about getting the locked up star next to westy, using George as cap swap and moving melo back to the 3 as a sure thing over hoping George stays. Griffin is a local boy too. Itís like they forgot thereís 28 other teams lol

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:33 PM
Also about my trade proposal for the Cavs-Clippers earlier, don't forget the Clippers wanted JR and TT in the deal for Lou and DJ if the Nets pick was coming back.

TrueFan420
01-29-2018, 08:35 PM
Or foaming at the mouth thinking he can still get him and make him "the man".

How stupid was that entire thing?
Cuban dodged that bullet once I doubt he'll double down on it.

AllBall
01-29-2018, 08:36 PM
**** this trade.

I liked Harris. I liked Bradley.

those are two players you can build a team around. a 3 &d guy and both are among the best shooters in the nba.

they traded them for an older PF with an injury history who is a stat stuffer and overrated as ****

seriously. **** this trade.

I understand that internet drama has soured the perspective of the common man, but Pistons fan's can not possibly be this jaded? You have to take risks to get rewards. The oh so coveted low risk high reward is practically and elusive fantasy. I think this can move can payoff, especially in the weak East. Role players aren't going to bring you to contention in today's NBA, this isn't '04.

KingPosey
01-29-2018, 08:39 PM
You just got a 28 year old borderline superstar when he's healthy for ancillary pieces and middling draft picks. You should be THRILLED. BG added thev3 ball to his game this year too. He's a good fit next to Drummond and makes it more likely that you can sign a decent free agent over the summer. You won. Be happy.ya no **** man hahaha

basch152
01-29-2018, 08:39 PM
I understand that internet drama has soured the perspective of the common man, but Pistons fan's can not possibly be this jaded? You have to take risks to get rewards. The oh so coveted low risk high reward is practically and elusive fantasy. I think this can move can payoff, especially in the weak East. Role players aren't going to bring you to contention in today's NBA, this isn't '04.

I promise you the pistons got a lot worse.

and I'm going to be coming back to this thread periodically throughout the year to point out how right I was.

I swear most of you don't understand basketball and just think adding any big name will make you better.

goingfor28
01-29-2018, 08:42 PM
I promise you the pistons got a lot worse.

and I'm going to be coming back to this thread periodically throughout the year to point out how right I was.

I swear most of you don't understand basketball and just think adding any big name will make you better.It's not like the Pistons were some juggernaut team before this trade. They're currently 9th in the east.

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Vee-Rex
01-29-2018, 08:43 PM
Not shocking - what bottom 5 team is gonna trade a chance at Bagley/Porter for Blake-always-injured-Griffin? Clippers weren't gonna get an enormous haul for Blake.

Honestly, the trade makes sense for both teams.

Welcome to the East, Blake!

Burkey3472
01-29-2018, 08:43 PM
I actually like this deal for both teams.

Pistons - You get the best player in the deal. They can build around Griffin and Drummond and hopefully bring in another piece eventually.

Clippers - this starts their rebuild. They should trade Lou Will, DeAndre, and repackage Bradley and get as many draft assets as you can. Allow one of the best team builders in Jerry West to have higher draft picks and other acquired 1st round assets to build a solid team in 3-5 years.

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:45 PM
Why look at trade deals if the goal is to extend though? Is AB eligible for an extension?

Key words from that Woj post you made:

1) At the right price
2) AB is not included in either discussions for an extension or trade.

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:47 PM
I get where Basch is coming from but I do think most of his frustration with this deal is that he doesn't like Blake. I mean, Blake hasn't really given anyone a reason to be high on him for quite some time now. Hopefully Detroit gets him more focused and away from LAL. He's still a top PF.

J4KOP99
01-29-2018, 08:50 PM
Doesn't this open a ton of cap space for lac? So west can work his magic

tredigs
01-29-2018, 08:50 PM
I actually like this deal for both teams.

Pistons - You get the best player in the deal. They can build around Griffin and Drummond and hopefully bring in another piece eventually.

Clippers - this starts their rebuild. They should trade Lou Will, DeAndre, and repackage Bradley and get as many draft assets as you can. Allow one of the best team builders in Jerry West to have higher draft picks and other acquired 1st round assets to build a solid team in 3-5 years.

I agree with this, but the Pistons should have got more back. Harris and Bradley are not building blocks, they're role players for a team looking to contend.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 08:51 PM
Will he be available to get waxed by Cleveland tomorrow?

mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 08:54 PM
But think about it: How many teams are actually contenders with the amount of stacked talent on a few teams? It used to be that one superstar and another All-Star on your team was enough. Now? You'll need at least two superstars. So if you're talking about contending for the title, yeah, I mean he probably would be a 3-4th option. But look at Klay+Draymond. They are 3-4th options on the Warriors. He might not be in the same league but he's still very young and gets better every year.

Harris is a fine player, but he's 25 years old and is in his seventh season in the league. Even with him having a career year, I think this is kind of who he is: a tweener forward who can get can consistently get you 18 and 5. And there's nothing wrong with that, except he was the No. 1 or No. 2 guy offensively at times for Detroit, and if he's your No. 1 or No. 2 guy offensively, you're not going anywhere.

For all of his flaws, Blake is a massive step up from Harris. A Harris/Drummond duo is something you can build around. And given the big question mark that is Lebron this upcoming offseason, it's not unrealistic to think the Pistons could add a third major piece and start contending for the conference title every season in the near future.

That being said, I definitely think they're still missing that third piece.

FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 08:57 PM
Will he be available to get waxed by Cleveland tomorrow?

Sorry to tell you but not everything revolves around Cleveland. I think the fact Cleveland didn't go after AB and or make phone calls have been pretty indicative of them at this point, being indecisive. That George Hill ordeal was hilarious. How do you expect someone to forfeit money based on what LeBron does? Lmao, man. This new GM Koby is inexperienced. If they had David Griffin, this wouldn't be an issue and Cavs would have had the trades they wanted. There is a huge disconnect from what the players want vs what management wants. When LeBron is gone, they will realize that they should have been more aggressive with trades.

AllBall
01-29-2018, 08:58 PM
I promise you the pistons got a lot worse.

and I'm going to be coming back to this thread periodically throughout the year to point out how right I was.

I swear most of you don't understand basketball and just think adding any big name will make you better.

Blake is an All-Star in weak East.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 09:00 PM
Sorry to tell you but not everything revolves around Cleveland. I think the fact Cleveland didn't go after AB and or make phone calls have been pretty indicative of them at this point, being indecisive. That George Hill ordeal was hilarious. How do you expect someone to forfeit money based on what LeBron does? Lmao, man. This new GM Koby is inexperienced. If they had David Griffin, this wouldn't be an issue and Cavs would have had the trades they wanted. There is a huge disconnect from what the players want vs what management wants. When LeBron is gone, they will realize that they should have been more aggressive with trades.

I didn't read your whole post but I'm asking if he'll be available to play tomorrow against Cleveland. Yes, everything does revolve around Cleveland.

Vee-Rex
01-29-2018, 09:04 PM
I didn't read your whole post but I'm asking if he'll be available to play tomorrow against Cleveland. Yes, everything does revolve around Cleveland.

I strongly doubt he'll be available tomorrow.

PAOboston
01-29-2018, 09:05 PM
Don't really get the deal for Detroit. Griffin is oft injured and on a massive contract. He's also a questionable fit next to Drummond.

Solid move by the Clippers to dump that contract and get some nice players/flexibility. I assume Williams/Jordan are next out the door.

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 09:06 PM
Good for both sides.

Detroit needs to sell tickets!

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 09:07 PM
I strongly doubt he'll be available tomorrow.

I think you're right.

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 09:07 PM
We all lose in this trade...

Clippers vs Rockets rivalry pretty much over. I wanted to see another fight!

mightybosstone
01-29-2018, 09:24 PM
Wow. Matt Barnes just called out Doc.
https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA/status/958145214882881541/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwi tter.min.html%23958145214882881541

AllBall
01-29-2018, 09:24 PM
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BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 09:33 PM
KD was right. Ainít No loyalty in sports.

GREATNESS ONE
01-29-2018, 09:44 PM
KD was right. Ainít No loyalty in sports.

Thereís never been even some fans canít stay loyal to a team lolz but some of us fans are die hard fanatics.

TrueFan420
01-29-2018, 09:45 PM
Wow. Matt Barnes just called out Doc.
https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA/status/958145214882881541/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwi tter.min.html%23958145214882881541

He's not wrong tho... everyone and their mother knows Doc is a huge part the problem.

GREATNESS ONE
01-29-2018, 09:45 PM
He's not wrong tho... everyone and their mother knows Doc is a huge part the problem.

Austin Rivers tho...

TrueFan420
01-29-2018, 09:47 PM
Don't really get the deal for Detroit. Griffin is oft injured and on a massive contract. He's also a questionable fit next to Drummond.

Solid move by the Clippers to dump that contract and get some nice players/flexibility. I assume Williams/Jordan are next out the door.

It gets them a very talented player that puts them in the playoffs. Always add the talent and figure out the rest later. They need to sell tickets right now and this move does that.

TrueFan420
01-29-2018, 09:48 PM
Austin Rivers tho...

Exactly... Doc should have been fired on the spot for that contract he gave him.

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 09:50 PM
Oh well, who gives a *******.

Blakeís got a 170m contract. Heís winning in life.

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 09:51 PM
Cavs should trade for Austin Rivers.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 09:52 PM
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FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 09:52 PM
958153473270444032

Lmfao, I am convinced Doc is on drugs. He has to be. Jerry West is good but he's not God.

BKLYNpigeon
01-29-2018, 09:54 PM
They can always fire doc rivers. And hire a coach of Lebrons choosing.

c.c.
01-29-2018, 09:57 PM
He should of left this past summer to a team of his choice

LA_Raiders
01-29-2018, 10:08 PM
Good move both teams. Clips can not contend in the west, and Detroit can make a deeper run in the POffs...

J4KOP99
01-29-2018, 10:10 PM
958153473270444032

No ****. Nobody in here seems to understand how Jerry west works

PAOboston
01-29-2018, 10:11 PM
It gets them a very talented player that puts them in the playoffs. Always add the talent and figure out the rest later. They need to sell tickets right now and this move does that.Griffin is talented but I'm not convinced has a good fit next to Drummond. He's also hurt 25% of every season.

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Jamiecballer
01-29-2018, 10:16 PM
Ahahahahaha Blake Griffin and your ugly face suck it!

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FlashBolt
01-29-2018, 10:18 PM
No ****. Nobody in here seems to understand how Jerry west works

Jerry West had 15 years to get LeBron. What makes you think he'll pull this off?

KingPosey
01-29-2018, 10:21 PM
Has anyone checked blake griffins house btw? If I was a friend Iíd consider a welfare check pronto

Saddletramp
01-29-2018, 10:23 PM
Always wondered why guys at that level didn't demand no trade clauses or at least have a list of teams that they wouldn't want to get traded to. I'd stay away from certain teams (including the Rockets) if i knew they could flip me at the drop of a hat. These move seems really out there, though. Doubt he saw that coming.



Bet Cuban is getting a giggle tho

Oh, he's drowning in giggles.

TrueFan420
01-29-2018, 10:26 PM
Griffin is talented but I'm not convinced has a good fit next to Drummond. He's also hurt 25% of every season.

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I think they'll be fine. Griffin is very good with the ball in his hands and has extended his range. The key is what the Pistons do now. They need to get 3 and D players. They should move Jackson for a better fit if they can.

KingPosey
01-29-2018, 10:27 PM
Jerry West had 15 years to get LeBron. What makes you think he'll pull this off?

Iím not gonna argue West isnít a smart man, he is, but itís pretty ****ing hard to build a team where you unload the elite talent, and donít get the picks with a serious chance of finding a centerpiece, and then build a team of complimentary pieces first without a centerpiece. Theyíll end up the Denver nuggets at best most likely.

Which as a kings fan Iíd love to even have Denverís success in recent years, but I just donít agree with this.

GREATNESS ONE
01-29-2018, 10:31 PM
I think they'll be fine. Griffin is very good with the ball in his hands and has extended his range. The key is what the Pistons do now. They need to get 3 and D players. They should move Jackson for a better fit if they can.

They need a playmaker, someone that can P&R with Griff, Pistons will be much better than everyone expects unless BG goes down again.

GREATNESS ONE
01-29-2018, 10:31 PM
Iím not gonna argue West isnít a smart man, he is, but itís pretty ****ing hard to build a team where you unload the elite talent, and donít get the picks with a serious chance of finding a centerpiece, and then build a team of complimentary pieces first without a centerpiece. Theyíll end up the Denver nuggets at best most likely.

Which as a kings fan Iíd love to even have Denverís success in recent years, but I just donít agree with this.

Trade us WCS

GREATNESS ONE
01-29-2018, 10:32 PM
Always wondered why guys at that level didn't demand no trade clauses or at least have a list of teams that they wouldn't want to get traded to. I'd stay away from certain teams (including the Rockets) if i knew they could flip me at the drop of a hat. These move seems really out there, though. Doubt he saw that coming.




Oh, he's drowning in giggles.

I mean, the way they went all out to re-sign him made him feel comfortable... Shady as **** lols but business is business.

mike_noodles
01-29-2018, 11:09 PM
Clippers doing Clipper things again. I think they could have gotten better rebuilding pieces than they got.

One Nut Kruk
01-29-2018, 11:16 PM
I promise you the pistons got a lot worse.

and I'm going to be coming back to this thread periodically throughout the year to point out how right I was.

I swear most of you don't understand basketball and just think adding any big name will make you better.

You need to get laid. Check out the backpages in your area pronto.

Chronz
01-29-2018, 11:19 PM
Haha been so numb to the team this year, much like this up and down season, this trade could prove to go either way. Apparently doc wants players to help the team remain competitive while accruing picks, I doubt we can do that with this rag tag group.

I truly hope we crash and burn now but we gotta have a fire sale, my biggest fear is that we remain too competitive.

As for Blake, I wish him well but it's an awkward fit. You guys forget what this guy is capable of when healthy. Abit saddened to see we won't retire his number and I know others who feel the same.

Hopefully this sets up a total rebuild but I doubt that's the plan

AllBall
01-29-2018, 11:31 PM
Always wondered why guys at that level didn't demand no trade clauses or at least have a list of teams that they wouldn't want to get traded to. I'd stay away from certain teams (including the Rockets) if i knew they could flip me at the drop of a hat. These move seems really out there, though. Doubt he saw that coming.

Had he been healthy all these years he would have had the leverage to demand a NTC, but that wasn't the case.

richiesaurus310
01-29-2018, 11:42 PM
As one of the only Clipper fans on here I couldnít be happier. I didnít want to re-sign Blake, and didnít understand the signing of gallo. Now I just hope we can get more picks for DeAndre and Lou.

In 2019 our books will be clean except for a year of Gallo. So the summer of 2019 should be when we take a step forward again. In the meantime letís just load up on picks and expiring contracts. We canít hang with the Warriors right now so let the rebuild begin.

GREATNESS ONE
01-29-2018, 11:42 PM
As one of the only Clipper fans on here I couldnít be happier. I didnít want to re-sign Blake, and didnít understand the signing of gallo. Now I just hope we can get more picks for DeAndre and Lou.

In 2019 our books will be clean except for a year of Gallo. So the summer of 2019 should be when we take a step forward again. In the meantime letís just load up on picks and expiring contracts. We canít hang with the Warriors right now so let the rebuild begin.

49ers and Clippers?...

Nabeshin
01-29-2018, 11:49 PM
Hahaha Clippers will be the Clippers.

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So two bum teams in LA...

GREATNESS ONE
01-29-2018, 11:54 PM
So two bum teams in LA...

Cali> NY

Nikeman
01-29-2018, 11:55 PM
This may be a dumb question, but is Avert Bradley able to be traded right away or is this a period where the Clippers must hang onto him?

Because if I am the Cavs, I go all out for AB, DJ and Lou. Those are literally the 3 players the Cavs Are lacking.

DeAndre gives them a real center, AB goves them a true defensive stopper who can shoot, and Lou provides elite scoring.

If I am the Cavs, I offer the Nets 1st, a 2nd, Frye, IT, JR, Shump, Cedi and Crowder for AB, DJ, and Lou.

IT/Fry arw expiring, Crowder I think is still a good player on a bargain contract, just not a fit with a cleveland, JR is partially guaranteed after next year, and Cedi is a good young prospect.

Clippers will have 3 first round selections with the Nets giving them a top 10 and arguable Detroit giving them a top 15-20 and theyíd go full tank mode and be top 10 themselves.

Cavs:

Rose/Lou
AB/Wade
LBJ/Jeff Green
Love/TT
DJ//Zizic

Thatís a 8-9 Deep team.

Laker Legend42
01-29-2018, 11:57 PM
The pistons are now in the same predicament as the clippers were. If Blake and Jordan doesn't work neither will Blake and Drummond. This is the best move I ever seen the clippers make. First to resign Blake. If cp3 had stayed the clips would have let him walk. They talked him in to staying(172mil didn't hurt) then to turn around and trade Blake,dump his salary and get something in return was genius. They used Blake.

WaDe03
01-29-2018, 11:58 PM
The pistons are now in the same predicament as the clippers were. If Blake and Jordan doesn't work neither will Blake and Drummond. This is the best move I ever seen the clippers make. First to resign Blake. If cp3 had stayed the clips would have let him walk. They talked him in to staying(172mil didn't hurt) then to turn around and trade Blake,dump his salary and get something in return was genius. They used Blake.

Drummond and DJ aren't the same player at all.

Dade County
01-29-2018, 11:59 PM
Clippers doing Clipper things again. I think they could have gotten better rebuilding pieces than they got.

Why not the Bucks then? I would think the league would want to give Giannis some help.

GREATNESS ONE
01-29-2018, 11:59 PM
Why not the Bucks then? I would think the league would want to give Giannis some help.

Giannnis and AD should be on different teams.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 12:01 AM
This may be a dumb question, but is Avert Bradley able to be traded right away or is this a period where the Clippers must hang onto him?

Because if I am the Cavs, I go all out for AB, DJ and Lou. Those are literally the 3 players the Cavs Are lacking.

DeAndre gives them a real center, AB goves them a true defensive stopper who can shoot, and Lou provides elite scoring.

If I am the Cavs, I offer the Nets 1st, a 2nd, Frye, IT, JR, Shump, Cedi and Crowder for AB, DJ, and Lou.

IT/Fry arw expiring, Crowder I think is still a good player on a bargain contract, just not a fit with a cleveland, JR is partially guaranteed after next year, and Cedi is a good young prospect.

Clippers will have 3 first round selections with the Nets giving them a top 10 and arguable Detroit giving them a top 15-20 and theyíd go full tank mode and be top 10 themselves.

Cavs:

Rose/Lou
AB/Wade
LBJ/Jeff Green
Love/TT
DJ//Zizic

Thatís a 8-9 Deep team.

IT/Wade
Bradley/Lou
LeBron/Korver/Crowder
Love/Green/Crowder
DJ/???

That's what I go after, sign a big man via buyout.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 12:02 AM
Why not the Bucks then? I would think the league would want to give Giannis some help.

Not this **** again.

Chronz
01-30-2018, 12:05 AM
This may be a dumb question, but is Avert Bradley able to be traded right away or is this a period where the Clippers must hang onto him?

Because if I am the Cavs, I go all out for AB, DJ and Lou. Those are literally the 3 players the Cavs Are lacking.

DeAndre gives them a real center, AB goves them a true defensive stopper who can shoot, and Lou provides elite scoring.

If I am the Cavs, I offer the Nets 1st, a 2nd, Frye, IT, JR, Shump, Cedi and Crowder for AB, DJ, and Lou.

IT/Fry arw expiring, Crowder I think is still a good player on a bargain contract, just not a fit with a cleveland, JR is partially guaranteed after next year, and Cedi is a good young prospect.

Clippers will have 3 first round selections with the Nets giving them a top 10 and arguable Detroit giving them a top 15-20 and theyíd go full tank mode and be top 10 themselves.

Cavs:

Rose/Lou
AB/Wade
LBJ/Jeff Green
Love/TT
DJ//Zizic

Thatís a 8-9 Deep team.

You can trade him if he's the single piece dealt iirc.

Chronz
01-30-2018, 12:05 AM
Drummond and DJ aren't the same player at all.

At all tho?

CityofTreez
01-30-2018, 12:16 AM
I like the trade just because Blake is gone.

AllBall
01-30-2018, 12:18 AM
They can always fire doc rivers. And hire a coach of Lebrons choosing.

Fizzdale?

smith&wesson
01-30-2018, 12:21 AM
The more I think about the more I think this trade isn't half bad for the Clippers.

Beverly
Williams
Gallo (if he gets healthy)
Harris
Drummond

TrueFan420
01-30-2018, 12:26 AM
The more I think about the more I think this trade isn't half bad for the Clippers.

Beverly
Williams
Gallo (if he gets healthy)
Harris
Drummond

You put Drummond... you mean DJ... and he will walk as a FA if the Clips don't manage to move him for something first.

Scoots
01-30-2018, 12:35 AM
How long until Doc quits?

He won't quit ... I've heard a few times he's just waiting to be fired so he can get paid out on his contract.

Scoots
01-30-2018, 12:44 AM
Great trades for both teams.

Blake is usually never healthy enough nor consistent in the playoffs. A change of scenery might help him.

Tobias+Bradley are both going to be FA's soon and they got picks for him. This season was honestly going bad for them both.

I like it. Good on the Clippers for going the rebuilding mode but they need to let DJ go, IMO.

I agree. By signing Blake last offseason the Clippers managed to get an extra 1st and 2nd round pick rather than nothing.

Now all they need to do if finally fire Doc, hire from the Spurs coaching tree and hire the Suns training staff so they are not always so injured.

Scoots
01-30-2018, 12:44 AM
You put Drummond... you mean DJ... and he will walk as a FA if the Clips don't manage to move him for something first.

DJ is probably going to opt-in for one more year.

Laker Legend42
01-30-2018, 01:05 AM
Drummond and DJ aren't the same player at all.
Where are they different? Both can't shoot free throws. They both can be defensive beast and both are limited offensively. The. Clippers issue for the past 5 or more has been lack of a really good wing player. The last good small forward they had was Corey maggette. Power forward has never been an important position. Teams just aren't built around that position.

Dade County
01-30-2018, 01:37 AM
Giannnis and AD should be on different teams.

?

This convo was about Blake.


Not this **** again.

Hi

LakerPride
01-30-2018, 04:36 AM
I think clippers will be better with avery bradley and tobias harris than just with griffin, imo

Vinylman
01-30-2018, 04:49 AM
Clippers can still trade Avery Bradley for another 1st round pick.

This

mike_noodles
01-30-2018, 06:47 AM
Why not the Bucks then? I would think the league would want to give Giannis some help.

Anybody really. Thereís probably 20 teams that could have topped that package. Maybe nobody wanted to.

mike_noodles
01-30-2018, 06:48 AM
This

Yes, but youíre not getting a lottery pick for him. It will be in the 20ís. Heíll be going to a playoff team.

Antipod
01-30-2018, 06:52 AM
Sad for Blake (though 170 mil is nice), but it`s a business

Vinylman
01-30-2018, 06:55 AM
Yes, but youíre not getting a lottery pick for him. It will be in the 20ís. Heíll be going to a playoff team.

Of course ... who said it would be lottery?

Ahriman
01-30-2018, 07:41 AM
Dunno why but this trade makes me think of the C-Webb to Phila a decade back. A meddling team wants a second wind and trade for a past his prime PF due to recurrent injuries. Trade looks good on paper but the PF contract is horrible

They'll get about a season and a half of correct play from Griffin then it will go to s**t

Can't blame them for trying something tho, we all know AB is getting his $16m a year and Harris is a correct player but not elite either. Plus the pick is gonna be ~15 at best

Vinylman
01-30-2018, 08:21 AM
Dunno why but this trade makes me think of the C-Webb to Phila a decade back. A meddling team wants a second wind and trade for a past his prime PF due to recurrent injuries. Trade looks good on paper but the PF contract is horrible

They'll get about a season and a half of correct play from Griffin then it will go to s**t

Can't blame them for trying something tho, we all know AB is getting his $16m a year and Harris is a correct player but not elite either. Plus the pick is gonna be ~15 at best

AB won't be getting 16m per unless it is for one year... there isn't that much cap floating around

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 08:59 AM
Blake Griffin $29,727,900 $32,088,932 $34,449,964 $36,810,996 $38,957,028
Blake always injured and 28 to boot. That contract is putrid if his injury bug continues.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 09:03 AM
Why not the Bucks then? I would think the league would want to give Giannis some help.

Parker is back in a week or so. Also Blake is injured as often as Parker. No need for a injury plagued team. Bucks got help from within since Kidd is gone.

Heediot
01-30-2018, 09:12 AM
Drummond is a better offensive threat and DJ the better defensive threat. Y'all can spacing is the same offensively between the two and Blake, but they aren't as similar as people think. DJ quicker and makes better decisions on defense. I think the Detroit duo has a better upside though, that's just me. Just need to upgrade and get a play making PG. Find some shooters, Kennard is fine but real young. Johnson is a nice energy guy, but needs a better shot.

Heediot
01-30-2018, 09:17 AM
I like it for the Clippers too. They have a bunch of movable contracts right now. Gallo probably the hardest to move, but moreso because of injury concerns, which makes the contract a little scary.

Stock up on picks. Try to free up space for free agency, if you strike out. Absorb some short contracts and net more picks.

West has proven to be a gza, in the rebuild department. Hopefully his age hasn't caught up to him for the Clippers.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 09:28 AM
Its already leaked Clippers wanna sign LeBron this summer.

Ahriman
01-30-2018, 09:29 AM
AB won't be getting 16m per unless it is for one year... there isn't that much cap floating around

Besides LBJ, PG & DJ, the free agency crop isn't very deep this year. I can totally see a Dallas / SAC / ATL offering him like 3/48 or 4/64 with team option for 4th year so that he becomes a tradeable asset down the line

It could go either way really, but there is always a market for this kind of player

Vinylman
01-30-2018, 09:33 AM
I like it for the Clippers too. They have a bunch of movable contracts right now. Gallo probably the hardest to move, but moreso because of injury concerns, which makes the contract a little scary.

Stock up on picks. Try to free up space for free agency, if you strike out. Absorb some short contracts and net more picks.

West has proven to be a gza, in the rebuild department. Hopefully his age hasn't caught up to him for the Clippers.

meh... him plus a late first in the offseason gets it done

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 09:35 AM
Besides LBJ, PG & DJ, the free agency crop isn't very deep this year. I can totally see a Dallas / SAC / ATL offering him like 3/48 or 4/64 with team option for 4th year so that he becomes a tradeable asset down the line

It could go either way really, but there is always a market for this kind of player

Jordan may opt in.

mike_noodles
01-30-2018, 09:38 AM
Its already leaked Clippers wanna sign LeBron this summer.

Do they really believe they can? That cali kush is ****in with their heads.

Scoots
01-30-2018, 09:39 AM
Good move for the Clippers in the long run. If they can get another 1st for Bradley and DJ and a replacement big that would be great for the start of the rebuild.

Oh and get rid of anyone with the surname of Rivers.

TheDish87
01-30-2018, 09:43 AM
terrible trade for the Pistons. They got worse and have no cap flexibility now.

Scoots
01-30-2018, 09:47 AM
Do they really believe they can? That cali kush is ****in with their heads.

West started day 1 working on LeBron. He's trying anyhow.

Vinylman
01-30-2018, 09:47 AM
Besides LBJ, PG & DJ, the free agency crop isn't very deep this year. I can totally see a Dallas / SAC / ATL offering him like 3/48 or 4/64 with team option for 4th year so that he becomes a tradeable asset down the line

It could go either way really, but there is always a market for this kind of player

nah... there aren't a lot of deals coming off the books this year and the ones that are the players are due a big increase because of the jump in the cap...

you are forgetting a whole bunch of guys like

IT
Cousins
CP3
etc..

plus a lot of guys have already got huge raises

embiid
wiggins
westie

other first time guys in line

Gordon
Capella
Parker
Lavine
Jokic

Finally, the opt out guys

Durant
Aldridge
Jordan


There isn't a ton of cap for top line guys

TheDish87
01-30-2018, 09:47 AM
Of course ... who said it would be lottery?

im saying it.

Vinylman
01-30-2018, 09:50 AM
im saying it.

great for the clippers if it is... I was merely pointing out that he is worth a first no matter what

Jamiecballer
01-30-2018, 10:04 AM
This may be a dumb question, but is Avert Bradley able to be traded right away or is this a period where the Clippers must hang onto him?

Because if I am the Cavs, I go all out for AB, DJ and Lou. Those are literally the 3 players the Cavs Are lacking.

DeAndre gives them a real center, AB goves them a true defensive stopper who can shoot, and Lou provides elite scoring.

If I am the Cavs, I offer the Nets 1st, a 2nd, Frye, IT, JR, Shump, Cedi and Crowder for AB, DJ, and Lou.

IT/Fry arw expiring, Crowder I think is still a good player on a bargain contract, just not a fit with a cleveland, JR is partially guaranteed after next year, and Cedi is a good young prospect.

Clippers will have 3 first round selections with the Nets giving them a top 10 and arguable Detroit giving them a top 15-20 and theyíd go full tank mode and be top 10 themselves.

Cavs:

Rose/Lou
AB/Wade
LBJ/Jeff Green
Love/TT
DJ//Zizic

Thatís a 8-9 Deep team.Yeah, that really would change their fortunes for sure. Don't know if the math works but they really could remake themselves in one shot

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Jamiecballer
01-30-2018, 10:07 AM
I think the Clippers made a great decision here. Griffin is overrated, has an injury history and I question how much he cares about the game. I think he will flounder in Detroit.

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TheDish87
01-30-2018, 10:25 AM
great for the clippers if it is... I was merely pointing out that he is worth a first no matter what

oh absolutely. i think the Clips did good here but i would have pushed for Kennard in some way. But i get that Tobias and AB can help them still contend for the playoffs if the rest of the team is healthy.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 10:29 AM
Do they really believe they can? That cali kush is ****in with their heads.

If they let Bradley,Jordan,Lou expire. That be enough cap to sign LeBron. But nothing left on the Clippers but LeBron and Harris,Gallinari? Yuck. LeBron wants it easy to the finals.

Ahriman
01-30-2018, 10:31 AM
nah... there aren't a lot of deals coming off the books this year and the ones that are the players are due a big increase because of the jump in the cap...

you are forgetting a whole bunch of guys like

[...]

There isn't a ton of cap for top line guys

Indeed I was more reasoning in terms of players who would probably be on the move, like the ones I've listed. I kind of forgot the youngsters lining up for their big paycheck

Let's see, but I still have that gut feeling someone is gonna throw stupid money at him

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 10:41 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybsb5bvm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycl7ssu9

Get it done Altman!

IT/Wade
Bradley/Lou Will
LeBron/Crowder/Korver
Love/Green/Crowder
DJ/Zizic

Find a backup big through the buyout market. The return of Bosh :)

mightybosstone
01-30-2018, 10:49 AM
According to Hoopshype, the Pistons aren't done and are considering swapping Stanley Johnson for Rodney Hood. That would certainly help replace some of the wing scoring and 3-point shooting they lost with Harris and Bradley. Hood doesn't do much outside of shooting and scoring, and a wing with some playmaking ability might be more helpful. But given that they have two of the better passing big men in the league, maybe that won't be as needed.

Regardless if this works out or not, I respect Detroit's decision to go all-in here and try to leapfrog some other teams in the East.

Pfeifer
01-30-2018, 10:50 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybsb5bvm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycl7ssu9

Get it done Altman!

IT/Wade
Bradley/Lou Will
LeBron/Crowder/Korver
Love/Green/Crowder
DJ/Zizic

Find a backup big through the buyout market. The return of Bosh :)

These are two of the most homer trades Ive ever seen.

cheetos185
01-30-2018, 10:54 AM
According to Hoopshype, the Pistons aren't done and are considering swapping Stanley Johnson for Rodney Hood. That would certainly help replace some of the wing scoring and 3-point shooting they lost with Harris and Bradley. Hood doesn't do much outside of shooting and scoring, and a wing with some playmaking ability might be more helpful. But given that they have two of the better passing big men in the league, maybe that won't be as needed.

Regardless if this works out or not, I respect Detroit's decision to go all-in here and try to leapfrog some other teams in the East.

They really had no other option they have been trying to get rid of drummond and jackson for awhile now but nobody wants to touch those contracts so instead they chose 2nd round exit in east.

Vinylman
01-30-2018, 10:59 AM
According to Hoopshype, the Pistons aren't done and are considering swapping Stanley Johnson for Rodney Hood. That would certainly help replace some of the wing scoring and 3-point shooting they lost with Harris and Bradley. Hood doesn't do much outside of shooting and scoring, and a wing with some playmaking ability might be more helpful. But given that they have two of the better passing big men in the league, maybe that won't be as needed.

Regardless if this works out or not, I respect Detroit's decision to go all-in here and try to leapfrog some other teams in the East.

meh... its all about selling seats in the new arena...

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 11:02 AM
These are two of the most homer trades Ive ever seen.

Well I had to do Frye and Bradley separate because Bradley has to be traded alone, but I forgot to say they would be sending the Nets pick to the Clippers as well.

As far as being a homer, the Clippers wanted JR TT and the Nets pick for DJ and Lou Will so it's along the lines of what they wanted.

R. Johnson#3
01-30-2018, 11:16 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybsb5bvm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycl7ssu9

Get it done Altman!

IT/Wade
Bradley/Lou Will
LeBron/Crowder/Korver
Love/Green/Crowder
DJ/Zizic

Find a backup big through the buyout market. The return of Bosh :)

A rebuilding team would just love to pay TT. The only way the Cavs move TT is if that pick is attached to him. Nobody wants to pay a big man who can only rebound.

BKLYNpigeon
01-30-2018, 11:16 AM
Deandre Jordan and Lue Williams are each worth a 1st round pick.

mike_noodles
01-30-2018, 11:19 AM
If they let Bradley,Jordan,Lou expire. That be enough cap to sign LeBron. But nothing left on the Clippers but LeBron and Harris,Gallinari? Yuck. LeBron wants it easy to the finals.

Yeah, a stripped down Clips adding Lebron does not get them past the Rockets or Warriors.

mightybosstone
01-30-2018, 11:24 AM
Well I had to do Frye and Bradley separate because Bradley has to be traded alone, but I forgot to say they would be sending the Nets pick to the Clippers as well.

As far as being a homer, the Clippers wanted JR TT and the Nets pick for DJ and Lou Will so it's along the lines of what they wanted.

I could feasibly see that deal happening if the Nets pick was involved. I don't think it's great value for the Clippers, but considering that Lou Will and Bradley are unrestricted free agents and DJ still has the option to opt out this offseason, they'd actually be quite lucky to get a lottery pick for three guys who may not even be on the team next year anyway.

The more I think about it, though, the less likely I think the Cavs are to do this. If Lebron walks into Gilbert's office this morning and says he's a lock to stay through at least next year, it would be a different conversation. But the Cavs front office would be pretty short-sighted to unload that pick for short-term assets if they have no idea that Lebron is staying.

mightybosstone
01-30-2018, 11:28 AM
Deandre Jordan and Lue Williams are each worth a 1st round pick.

Mmmm....Two late first rounders? Maybe. But a lottery pick in this draft is still fairly valuable. If DJ and Lou Will were locked in beyond this season, I'd agree that they have more value than just one mid-lottery pick. But a lottery pick for two guys you can't guarantee will be on your roster next season seems totally fair to me.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 11:29 AM
A rebuilding team would just love to pay TT. The only way the Cavs move TT is if that pick is attached to him. Nobody wants to pay a big man who can only rebound.

Yea I forgot to say the Nets pick was going back too.

I sense sarcasm but TT is not as bad as you all say and he's young lol. Also again, the Clippers wanted JR AND TT so you'll have to talk to them about that. Why wouldn't a rebuilding team want to pay TT for 2-3 years when they're getting a top 6 pick for it?

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 11:30 AM
Mmmm....Two late first rounders? Maybe. But a lottery pick in this draft is still fairly valuable. If DJ and Lou Will were locked in beyond this season, I'd agree that they have more value than just one mid-lottery pick. But a lottery pick for two guys you can't guarantee will be on your roster next season seems totally fair to me.

The Nets pick currently sits at 6th too. I think Lou and DJ would have to be extended for the Cavs to do it though.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 11:33 AM
I could feasibly see that deal happening if the Nets pick was involved. I don't think it's great value for the Clippers, but considering that Lou Will and Bradley are unrestricted free agents and DJ still has the option to opt out this offseason, they'd actually be quite lucky to get a lottery pick for three guys who may not even be on the team next year anyway.

The more I think about it, though, the less likely I think the Cavs are to do this. If Lebron walks into Gilbert's office this morning and says he's a lock to stay through at least next year, it would be a different conversation. But the Cavs front office would be pretty short-sighted to unload that pick for short-term assets if they have no idea that Lebron is staying.

That's true but they could also just say **** it and go all in with LeBron one more time and if he decides to stay then awesome. They have 1 ring in their history and LeBron got it for them, I would go all in to see if they can do it again.

I could be wrong but if I asked Vee-Rex if it was guaranteed LeBron leaves this summer would he rather have a championship or the Nets pick I think he would take the Nets pick. Of course it's all up to the FO regardless though.

R. Johnson#3
01-30-2018, 11:35 AM
Yea I forgot to say the Nets pick was going back too.

I sense sarcasm but TT is not as bad as you all say and he's young lol. Also again, the Clippers wanted JR AND TT so you'll have to talk to them about that. Why wouldn't a rebuilding team want to pay TT for 2-3 years when they're getting a top 6 pick for it?

I'm not being sarcastic, TT is a one dimensional player who can do nothing more than rebound. This is a Canadian saying this.

I don't think the Clips want JR or TT. They just want the pick and that's the trash that has to go with it.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 11:40 AM
I'm not being sarcastic, TT is a one dimensional player who can do nothing more than rebound. This is a Canadian saying this.

I don't think the Clips want JR or TT. They just want the pick and that's the trash that has to go with it.

Well if they were open to JR and TT and I'm sure they would love just TT instead.

Heediot
01-30-2018, 11:42 AM
I'm not being sarcastic, TT is a one dimensional player who can do nothing more than rebound. This is a Canadian saying this.

I don't think the Clips want JR or TT. They just want the pick and that's the trash that has to go with it.

I think TT has value in the playoffs. I think people are getting a bad impression of him due to his more recent playoff play. Is he worth his payscale on a rebuilding team though, there`s where it gets cloudy and may not be worth the pick up for the Clippers. With his skill-set it might be hard to build up his value in the regular season and trade him to another team next year or down the line.

When I think about it, with all the sieves on defense the Cavs had recently in the playoffs, it put TT in tougher spots vs. the typical big man in the paint. Guys like him Adams, Biz, and such have proven to be have worth in the post-season.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 11:44 AM
The Nets pick currently sits at 6th too. I think Lou and DJ would have to be extended for the Cavs to do it though.

#6 still so so. Clippers probably bite. But still Thompson contract is putrid. Over paid rebounder. That's on LeBron holding out till Smith and Thompson got paid. Yeesh I don't blame Gilbert or the new owners hanging onto the Nets pick. LeBron wont commit. I bet Gilbert would love LeBron waiving his no trade clause and flip him for young pieces right away. Cavs are on the decline.

No defense and many players washed up. Crowder was on the decline a year ago already. Korvers best days behind him. Also IT with that injury. His best days are behind him labeled MVP candidate and all. Smith streaky and over paid. TT over paid rebounding bum. Only decent trade contracts ya got is expiring IT and Frye. If I was Clippers i'd want Nets pick and expiring Frye and IT with Shumpert,Osman for Jordan,Lou.

Ty Fast
01-30-2018, 11:45 AM
Clippers arent tanking. they're retooling.

Jerry West knows how to build teams, just give him time.

Heíll be 80 in May so he better get cracking LOL

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 11:48 AM
#6 still so so. Clippers probably bite. But still Thompson contract is putrid. Over paid rebounder. That's on LeBron holding out till Smith and Thompson got paid. Yeesh I don't blame Gilbert or the new owners hanging onto the Nets pick. LeBron wont commit. I bet Gilbert would love LeBron waiving his no trade clause and flip him for young pieces right away. Cavs are on the decline.

No defense and many players washed up. Crowder was on the decline a year ago already. Korvers best days behind him. Also IT with that injury. His best days are behind him labeled MVP candidate and all. Smith streaky and over paid. TT over paid rebounding bum. Only decent trade contracts ya got is expiring IT and Frye. If I was Clippers i'd want Nets pick and expiring Frye and IT with Shumpert,Osman for Jordan,Lou.

No it's not so so, it's a great pick.

As for the rest :facepalm:

Scoots
01-30-2018, 11:57 AM
I kind of enjoy the fact that if the Clippers miss the playoffs next 2 years it's going to cost the Celtics a 1st round pick. Interesting timing.

Vee-Rex
01-30-2018, 12:01 PM
I wonder if Altman would pull the trigger on a TT + fillers deal for DJ/Lou if the Clips/Cavs agree on a pick swap, and the Cavs get the worse of the two picks (between Clippers and Nets).

That way he's not outright just giving away a lottery asset without getting a decent pick in return.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 12:01 PM
No it's not so so, it's a great pick.

As for the rest :facepalm:

As for your homer trades. lmao. Get a clue dude. Be nice once Wade is retired. Less of your dipshit posts here.

mightybosstone
01-30-2018, 12:05 PM
I wonder if Altman would pull the trigger on a TT + fillers deal for DJ/Lou if the Clips/Cavs agree on a pick swap, and the Cavs get the worse of the two picks (between Clippers and Nets).

That way he's not outright just giving away a lottery asset without getting a decent pick in return.

I probably don't do that deal if I'm LA. They just got rid of Griffin's contract and would be taking on more long-term money. I don't do that for just a pick swap. I'd want the Brooklyn pick and my first rounder.

Vee-Rex
01-30-2018, 12:06 PM
I probably don't do that deal if I'm LA. They just got rid of Griffin's contract and would be taking on more long-term money. I don't do that for just a pick swap. I'd want the Brooklyn pick and my first rounder.

True, makes sense.

I'd rather the Cavs just move on from the DJ scenario. Pursue other bigs, maybe a Dedmon or something. I want Gilbert to keep the Nets pick for the offseason, that way regardless of the result of the finals he'll at least have SOMETHING to bargain with and try to convince LeBron to stay.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 12:13 PM
As for your homer trades. lmao. Get a clue dude. Be nice once Wade is retired. Less of your dipshit posts here.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about majority of the time.

Heediot
01-30-2018, 12:15 PM
No it's not so so, it's a great pick.

As for the rest :facepalm:
As of now, it`s not a great pick. It`s a solid pick, but i think it`s over-hyped and valued through the media when they are conjuring up trade rumors. Not too sure when the lottery changes come into play, I don`t think it`s this year, so there`s that dynamic. With the newer rules the pick has a better chance if improving.

OTOH the difference between where the nets are and the first overall pick is only a handful of games. Things could change by the end of the year.

Scoots
01-30-2018, 12:18 PM
DJ/Lou for both Cavs 1st round picks gets that deal done and the Cavs to the finals. But LeBron still won't commit.

CityofTreez
01-30-2018, 12:20 PM
Wasnít it last year where Clips honored Blakey as another Ghandi, Mandela, Ali, Lincoln, etc
And then didnít even offer him a NTC....oohhhh

Vee-Rex
01-30-2018, 12:24 PM
DJ/Lou for both Cavs 1st round picks gets that deal done and the Cavs to the finals. But LeBron still won't commit.

Yep. Cavs get swept in the finals by the Warriors/Rockets, and then have no flexibility or any way to improve in the offseason that may make LeBron consider staying.

Whereas if they keep the pick, obtain cheaper defensive players, they still have a good chance to make the finals (and get swept), then can dangle it around in the offseason. If, in late June right before free agency, they can acquire an all-star caliber player, LeBron MIGHT be willing to agree to re-sign if he is close to making up his mind.

If not, then we'll start our rebuild with Cedi and the Nets pick.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 12:34 PM
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about majority of the time.

No wonder you don't hang in the Heat or Bulls or Cavs forums. No one wants to hear your shitball comments. Your the lamest poster here. Your just as bad as the Philly fans. At least rest of PSD agreed about Philly being the worst annoying posters PSD in that general thread at main PSD board. hahahahahah Your lips gonna be stuck on whose *** after Wade retired? Sure hope its not Giannis. Us Bucks fans flame your *** right out of the Bucks forums. No wonder PSD went down hill last decade. Its annoying posters like you and Philly.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 12:35 PM
As of now, it`s not a great pick. It`s a solid pick, but i think it`s over-hyped and valued through the media when they are conjuring up trade rumors. Not too sure when the lottery changes come into play, I don`t think it`s this year, so there`s that dynamic. With the newer rules the pick has a better chance if improving.

OTOH the difference between where the nets are and the first overall pick is only a handful of games. Things could change by the end of the year.

All star level players. Luka is a superstar level, I don't see him falling to 6 though.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 12:37 PM
No wonder you don't hang in the Heat or Bulls or Cavs forums. No one wants to hear your shitball comments. Your the lamest poster here. Your just as bad as the Philly fans. At least rest of PSD agreed about Philly being the worst annoying posters PSD in that general thread at main PSD board. hahahahahah Your lips gonna be stuck on whose *** after Wade retired? Sure hope its not Giannis. Us Bucks fans flame your *** right out of the Bucks forums. No wonder PSD went down hill last decade. Its annoying posters like you and Philly.

Your words are so jumbled and you're all over the place when you talk. "My Bucks could use a center or 2 yet" comments in every thread are garbage. Don't worry, I won't be cheering for a **** organization like the Bucks who have accomplished less in their franchise history than Wade did in 15 years.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 12:37 PM
Yep. Cavs get swept in the finals by the Warriors/Rockets, and then have no flexibility or any way to improve in the offseason that may make LeBron consider staying.

Whereas if they keep the pick, obtain cheaper defensive players, they still have a good chance to make the finals (and get swept), then can dangle it around in the offseason. If, in late June right before free agency, they can acquire an all-star caliber player, LeBron MIGHT be willing to agree to re-sign if he is close to making up his mind.

If not, then we'll start our rebuild with Cedi and the Nets pick.

They're not getting swept lol

R. Johnson#3
01-30-2018, 12:41 PM
Your words are so jumbled and you're all over the place when you talk. "My Bucks could use a center or 2 yet" comments in every thread are garbage. Don't worry, I won't be cheering for a **** organization like the Bucks who have accomplished less in their franchise history than Wade did in 15 years.

What if Wade gets traded there?

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 12:43 PM
Wade is a has been. LeBron lap dog.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-30-2018, 12:45 PM
Your words are so jumbled and you're all over the place when you talk. "My Bucks could use a center or 2 yet" comments in every thread are garbage. Don't worry, I won't be cheering for a **** organization like the Bucks who have accomplished less in their franchise history than Wade did in 15 years.

Bucks do need more then one center. Maker in sophomore slump. He be better suited as a stretch 4 off the bench. Henson better this year but Dedmon would be a upgrade.

mightybosstone
01-30-2018, 12:47 PM
Why is it that every freaking thread related to the Eastern Conference in any way immediately becomes a Cavs, Bucks and/or Sixers thread? Can't we just talk about what this means for Detroit and LA without going through half a dozen pages of Cavs and Bucks fans measuring their egos?

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 12:49 PM
Why is it that every freaking thread related to the Eastern Conference in any way immediately becomes a Cavs, Bucks and/or Sixers thread? Can't we just talk about what this means for Detroit and LA without going through half a dozen pages of Cavs and Bucks fans measuring their egos?

Absolutely not!

TheDish87
01-30-2018, 12:51 PM
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about majority of the time.

hahahah true. i just got stuck dealing with him in the bucks forum spewing a bunch of crap.

the #6 pick in this draft could very well produce a superstar, this class is looking really strong right now.