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warfelg
01-25-2018, 08:31 PM
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Team James:
KD
AD
LBJ
Boogie
Kyrie
Bench
Beal
Aldridge
Love
Russ
Dipo
Porz
Wall

Team Curry:
Harden
DD
Curry
GIannis
Embiid
Bench
Lillard
Butler
Dray
Lowry
Klay
KAT
Horford


Very interesting none the less.

Saddletramp
01-25-2018, 08:32 PM
Lebron picked KD. :laugh2:

Vee-Rex
01-25-2018, 08:37 PM
I guarantee it went like this for the starters:

LeBron
1.KD
2. AD
3. DMC
4. Kyrie

Steph
1. Giannis
2. Harden
3. Embiid
4. DeRozan

Then when it came to the reserves, LeBron picked up Westy while Steph was picking Klay and Dray.

Vee-Rex
01-25-2018, 08:39 PM
Question is: Will KD force a trade to the Cavs after playing with the GOAT in the all-star game?

warfelg
01-25-2018, 08:39 PM
I'm laughing at Westy, KD, LBJ, Kyrie all on the same team. Grudge city.

tredigs
01-25-2018, 08:43 PM
Bron picked Durant and Kyrie. Hilarious.

lol, please
01-25-2018, 08:44 PM
lol.

Whatevs, just get it over with so we can start with the tail end of the season, lol.

corky831
01-25-2018, 08:49 PM
LeBrons team is stacked

tredigs
01-25-2018, 08:50 PM
Question is: Will KD force a trade to the Cavs after playing with the GOAT in the all-star game?

Answer: Players force trades away from Lebron (no GOAT), not with him.

TrueFan420
01-25-2018, 08:55 PM
LeBrons team is stacked

Really I'm getting the feeling he doesn't have enough talent... their all ****

lol, please
01-25-2018, 09:01 PM
Really I'm getting the feeling he doesn't have enough talent... their all ****

Durant and Portzingis are the only two players I really like on his team and would over most of Currys team lolol. Might squeeze Cousins in that too.

Vee-Rex
01-25-2018, 09:04 PM
Durant and Portzingis are the only two players I really like on his team and would over most of Currys team lolol. Might squeeze Cousins in that too.

You don't like Dipo?

Who doesn't like Dipo?

lol, please
01-25-2018, 09:08 PM
You don't like Dipo?

Who doesn't like Dipo?

I don't dislike him, but I wouldn't take him over any of the players on Currys team lol.

Same with AD, actually like his game, but FOOOK taking him over Giannis or even an injury riddled Embiid lol.

YAALREADYKNO
01-25-2018, 09:23 PM
Lebron’s squad SHOULD win but it’s an Allstar game so who knows

TrueFan420
01-25-2018, 09:37 PM
You don't like Dipo?

Who doesn't like Dipo?

Idk he just doesn't look like a legit star to me but I've seen very little of him this year and likely still have an image of the player he was, a combo guard in the bad way.

TrueFan420
01-25-2018, 09:39 PM
Durant and Portzingis are the only two players I really like on his team and would over most of Currys team lolol. Might squeeze Cousins in that too.
Give me AD over the Boggie man anyday

HandsOnTheWheel
01-25-2018, 09:43 PM
Question is: Will KD force a trade to the Cavs after playing with the GOAT in the all-star game?

:laugh2:

Lebron's team by a mile

Bostonjorge
01-25-2018, 09:45 PM
James team won already. They look like a Super All Star team. Curry on a reagular All Star team.

Would love to see Green and Kaly take it to Durant and try to shut him down.

likemystylez
01-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Question is: Will KD force a trade to the Cavs after playing with the GOAT in the all-star game?

its gotta be lebron headed back to golden state for kd if thats whats discussed. lebron on the warriors- game over

likemystylez
01-25-2018, 09:46 PM
LeBrons team is stacked

ummm its an all star game....... so yeah

goingfor28
01-25-2018, 10:53 PM
If these two teams played a real game LeBrons team would win by 50.

Also like war said, LBJ, Kyrie, Russ and KD together is hilarious.

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Scoots
01-25-2018, 11:26 PM
Really I'm getting the feeling he doesn't have enough talent... their all ****

LOL ... I see what you did there.

nastynice
01-25-2018, 11:39 PM
Really I'm getting the feeling he doesn't have enough talent... their all ****
Just another garbage team he's gonna have to carry

Poor guy can't get a break

Htownballa1622
01-25-2018, 11:39 PM
I actually like curry team better. Bron has strong top 3 but then major drop.

tredigs
01-25-2018, 11:48 PM
Now imagine if those players actually played in the East lol. This without Kawhi in the mix.

lol, please
01-25-2018, 11:49 PM
Just another garbage team he's gonna have to carry

Poor guy can't get a break

:laugh2: gold

FlashBolt
01-25-2018, 11:53 PM
One thing is for sure here... Stephen Curry is not responsible for how good the makeup of the Warriors is. It's like he chose from the bottom up.

nastynice
01-26-2018, 12:20 AM
One thing is for sure here... Stephen Curry is not responsible for how good the makeup of the Warriors is. It's like he chose from the bottom up.

That's what a gm is for

Someone should tell LeBron

:)

blahblahyoutoo
01-26-2018, 12:34 AM
Question is: Will KD force a trade to the Cavs after playing with the GOAT in the all-star game?

Jordan isn't playing in the ASG this year FYI.

blahblahyoutoo
01-26-2018, 12:39 AM
James team won already. They look like a Super All Star team. Curry on a reagular All Star team.

Would love to see Green and Kaly take it to Durant and try to shut him down.

if they didn't do a lebron first pick, curry next 2 picks, etc. draft style, the NBA is ********.

aman_13
01-26-2018, 12:44 AM
Replace Westbrook with Horford and I like Curry's team better.

IKnowHoops
01-26-2018, 04:13 AM
:laugh2:

Lebron's team by a mile

Exactly

First thing I thought when I actually took in the starting lineups was...Damn Lebrons team is going to kill. If they really get this competative early on, I see Brons team being unstoppable. Completely.

KnicksorBust
01-26-2018, 07:06 AM
I guarantee it went like this for the starters:

LeBron
1.KD
2. AD
3. DMC
4. Kyrie

Steph
1. Giannis
2. Harden
3. Embiid
4. DeRozan

Then when it came to the reserves, LeBron picked up Westy while Steph was picking Klay and Dray.

I agree. In a regular all-star game I am tempted to say Curry and Harden would be the best players since it is essentially layups and 3s game but I could see this game being competitive and is Harden going to guard LeBron or Durant????

likemystylez
01-26-2018, 10:04 AM
as a warriors fan- I dont like the new all star system. captain 1 should get 1st pick and captain 2 should get the next 2

likemystylez
01-26-2018, 10:06 AM
its also funny how nobody is questioning lebron's competitiveness for taking the best available option....the guy he should want to beat as a competitor, the guy who just beat him last year.

Yet when durant picked the warriors cuz he wanted to win- he was hearing it constantly.

WaDe03
01-26-2018, 12:13 PM
its also funny how nobody is questioning lebron's competitiveness for taking the best available option....the guy he should want to beat as a competitor, the guy who just beat him last year.

Yet when durant picked the warriors cuz he wanted to win- he was hearing it constantly.

Lmfao get out of here with that, it's a damn all star game.

WhiteShadow42
01-26-2018, 04:55 PM
I'm laughing at Westy, KD, LBJ, Kyrie all on the same team. Grudge city.

I guess the all star game is going to be played with 5 basketballs.

FlashBolt
01-26-2018, 06:14 PM
So LeBron or Curry can't captain next year unless they both switch conferences. Kinda like how a coach can't coach a back-to-back ASG. I actually like that.

mrblisterdundee
01-26-2018, 08:13 PM
I guarantee it went like this for the starters:

LeBron
1.KD
2. AD
3. DMC
4. Kyrie

Steph
1. Giannis
2. Harden
3. Embiid
4. DeRozan
Then when it came to the reserves, LeBron picked up Westy while Steph was picking Klay and Dray.

I'd switch Harden and Giannis.

Saddletramp
01-26-2018, 10:07 PM
Lmfao get out of here with that, it's a damn all star game.

Sad thing is, he's serious.

Chronz
01-26-2018, 11:28 PM
Sad thing is, he's serious.
Lol, ****ing dub fans

Scoots
01-27-2018, 02:09 AM
Best thing from the ASG draft BS is Westbrook thinking he was taken last.

Who replaces Cousins?

The ASG next year should be built of the top 24 regardless of conference and the draft should be on TV. And not allowing LeBron or Curry to draft again is dumb.

FlashBolt
01-27-2018, 02:12 AM
Best thing from the ASG draft BS is Westbrook thinking he was taken last.

Who replaces Cousins?

The ASG next year should be built of the top 24 regardless of conference and the draft should be on TV. And not allowing LeBron or Curry to draft again is dumb.

They are allowed to draft again but just not next year. It makes sense. I'd rather see new captains than the same ones being used.

zn23
01-27-2018, 02:26 AM
Best thing from the ASG draft BS is Westbrook thinking he was taken last.

Who replaces Cousins?

The ASG next year should be built of the top 24 regardless of conference and the draft should be on TV. And not allowing LeBron or Curry to draft again is dumb.

I agree. The two players with the most votes should be the captains and get to pick their teams. If they're the top 2 then they should get to pick again.

As for who replaces Boogie? Well since he's a Center, there are limited options. Jokic would be one of them or maybe even Clint Capela. Or they could just pick another forward.

FlashBolt
01-27-2018, 02:34 AM
I agree. The two players with the most votes should be the captains and get to pick their teams. If they're the top 2 then they should get to pick again.

As for who replaces Boogie? Well since he's a Center, there are limited options. Jokic would be one of them or maybe even Clint Capela. Or they could just pick another forward.

The problem is the all-stars year over year is probably the same pool of players. Having the same two captains probably means the same team again and again. I get that view. Having it televised would definitely be exciting so I don't think the captains issue is huge.

I think PG should replace Boogie. I'm sure they can make an exception. Jokic is not an All Star this season.. Or maybe CP3 can get in.

Saddletramp
01-27-2018, 06:36 AM
Surprised no one has blamed Lebron on Cousins' injury yet. "Is Lebron's team cursed?!?!?!?!"

Scoots
01-27-2018, 01:48 PM
They are allowed to draft again but just not next year. It makes sense. I'd rather see new captains than the same ones being used.

I just meant they can't next year ... same as the coaches. I'd rather the two most popular players have to do it every year.

Scoots
01-27-2018, 01:50 PM
The problem is the all-stars year over year is probably the same pool of players. Having the same two captains probably means the same team again and again. I get that view. Having it televised would definitely be exciting so I don't think the captains issue is huge.

I think PG should replace Boogie. I'm sure they can make an exception. Jokic is not an All Star this season.. Or maybe CP3 can get in.

It's probably going to be up to Dwane Casey who replaces Boogie. I assume he'll have to select a Western conference player.

ChiSox219
01-27-2018, 01:50 PM
No reason to televise this, it will get stretched to an hour with a bunch of commercials and you can pretty much guess how the draft went based on the final rosters. People will realize it's boring after the first year.

They should trim down to top 20 players regardless of conference and no requirement the voted starters to get picked first.

warfelg
01-27-2018, 02:04 PM
It's probably going to be up to Dwane Casey who replaces Boogie. I assume he'll have to select a Western conference player.

It stays the same with the commish picking someone from the same conference IIRC.

It's most likely going to be PG13.

lol, please
01-27-2018, 02:34 PM
Lol, ****ing dub fansLmao. I love stylez

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FlashBolt
01-27-2018, 06:02 PM
I just meant they can't next year ... same as the coaches. I'd rather the two most popular players have to do it every year.

It would be the same teams, practically. These guys are choosing who they think are the best. That usually doesn't change on a year-by-year basis.

Scoots
01-27-2018, 10:24 PM
It would be the same teams, practically. These guys are choosing who they think are the best. That usually doesn't change on a year-by-year basis.

IT, PG, Carmelo, Kemba, Millsap, DJ, Marc Gasol, Hayward, and Kawhi were all on the team last year and not this year. Yeah, same teams.

Also, the top vote getter will change soon enough too.

Raps18-19 Champ
01-27-2018, 11:24 PM
PG made it. I would have made it Lou Will.

Scoots
01-28-2018, 01:17 AM
If the all-stars were selected regardless of conference ... who would be out and who would be in?

For the purpose of this question DMC is still healthy.

zn23
01-28-2018, 01:23 AM
Paul George made it cause he's overhyped.

Chronz
01-28-2018, 06:59 AM
PG made it. I would have made it Lou Will.
Calm down brother raps

FlashBolt
01-28-2018, 11:37 PM
Every player on the winning team will receive $100k. $75,000 difference compared to the previous games. I hope it at least makes it a bit more interesting.

Scoots
01-29-2018, 12:06 AM
I like the ideas I've heard of 8 3 man teams in a tournament or 5 teams of 5 in a king of the court competition and the winning team gets $1M each and the losers get nothing.

zn23
01-30-2018, 02:31 PM
Lou williams should replace john wall

Bostonjorge
01-30-2018, 03:53 PM
Jaylen Brown should replace injured Wall.

Scoots
01-30-2018, 04:11 PM
Lou williams should replace john wall

He'll have to be traded to the Eastern Conference first.

FlashBolt
01-30-2018, 04:31 PM
He'll have to be traded to the Eastern Conference first.

They should make an exception and have CP3 play in it.

warfelg
01-30-2018, 08:21 PM
Andre Drummond named Well’s All Star replacement.

corky831
01-30-2018, 10:23 PM
Draymond Green was supporting Jaylen Brown, saying he should have been the replacement for Wall. I'll take that as high praise for Jaylen being a C's fan, bc Draymond doesn't talk good about anyone lol

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 10:54 PM
Love now out, Dragic should replace him.

Scoots
01-30-2018, 11:27 PM
Draymond Green was supporting Jaylen Brown, saying he should have been the replacement for Wall. I'll take that as high praise for Jaylen being a C's fan, bc Draymond doesn't talk good about anyone lol

Dray regularly talks up players. Green got to know Jaylen when he was at Cal.

aman_13
01-30-2018, 11:39 PM
Dragic should get in.

Bostonjorge
01-30-2018, 11:45 PM
Draymond Green was supporting Jaylen Brown, saying he should have been the replacement for Wall. I'll take that as high praise for Jaylen being a C's fan, bc Draymond doesn't talk good about anyone lol

Jaylen Brown has been playing like a borderline all star. The Celtics have great team defense but Brown gets all the key matchups like KD/James.

WaDe03
01-30-2018, 11:57 PM
He'll have to be traded to the Eastern Conference first.

Cavs better jump on it quick then.

warfelg
01-31-2018, 09:34 AM
958694505124892672

Oh Snap

PAOboston
01-31-2018, 09:42 AM
Man, NBA players are so petty over all star games.

Jaylen is not an all star yet but he's on the right path and should get there soon. Gotta love the confidence though. That being said, pretty sure Jaylen is gonna posterize Drummond in a couple of weeks.

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CELTICS4LYFE
01-31-2018, 10:11 AM
I don’t think Jaylen is ready yet...Dragic should replace Love

WaDe03
01-31-2018, 11:03 AM
Wade should be an all star, best player on the 3rd seed in the East.

TheDish87
01-31-2018, 12:52 PM
Ben Simmons should replace injured Wall.

fixed

zn23
02-01-2018, 03:52 PM
Dragic to replace Kevin Love... Lou Williams continues to get shafted.

Forget the whole East vs. West, just pick the best players.

cheetos185
02-01-2018, 03:57 PM
I would have picked middleton or that dude who can't make FT's in philly atleast.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 04:00 PM
Dragic to replace Kevin Love... Lou Williams continues to get shafted.

Forget the whole East vs. West, just pick the best players.

How does Lou continue to get shafted when he isn't in the East? Rules are the rules. If you're going to say Lou got shafted, who do you think he should replace in the West? I guess Klay but who else? And is Lou even playing better than CJ McCollum?

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 04:03 PM
Dragic to replace Kevin Love... Lou Williams continues to get shafted.

Forget the whole East vs. West, just pick the best players.

Dragic deserved it, they're the 4th seed.

TheDish87
02-01-2018, 04:09 PM
Simmons was more deserving then Wall from the start and gets shafted to replace him and now this. but i do get why Dragic was selected with Miami being in 4th with no rep. Still dont think Drummond deserves to be in it.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 04:20 PM
Simmons was more deserving then Wall from the start and gets shafted to replace him and now this. but i do get why Dragic was selected with Miami being in 4th with no rep. Still dont think Drummond deserves to be in it.

How is Simmons more deserving when Sixers are close to being out of the playoffs? There is no argument of Simmons over Dragic.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 04:38 PM
Man, NBA players are so petty over all star games.

Jaylen is not an all star yet but he's on the right path and should get there soon. Gotta love the confidence though. That being said, pretty sure Jaylen is gonna posterize Drummond in a couple of weeks.

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TheDish87
02-01-2018, 05:23 PM
How is Simmons more deserving when Sixers are close to being out of the playoffs? There is no argument of Simmons over Dragic.

Its a difference of a few games, dude. We have 2 less losses then Miami and we play tomorrow. the all star game is about the numbers and the numbers support Simmons pretty easily. Hes better then Dragic at everything except 3pt shooting.

Simmons: 16/7/8/1.8 stls on 52% shooting and better advanced numbers

Dragic: 17/5/4/0.8 stls on 43% shooting

plain and simple Dragic got in bcuz Miami shot up to 4th and i said thats fine and i expected it

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 05:30 PM
Its a difference of a few games, dude. We have 2 less losses then Miami and we play tomorrow. the all star game is about the numbers and the numbers support Simmons pretty easily. Hes better then Dragic at everything except 3pt shooting.

Simmons: 16/7/8/1.8 stls on 52% shooting and better advanced numbers

Dragic: 17/5/4/0.8 stls on 43% shooting

plain and simple Dragic got in bcuz Miami shot up to 4th and i said thats fine and i expected it

Honest reason, Simmons didn't make it because he is not seen as the best player for the Sixers. And when you consider that the team suffers big time when Embiid is not playing, Simmons isn't leading his team to wins.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 05:35 PM
How does Lou continue to get shafted when he isn't in the East? Rules are the rules. If you're going to say Lou got shafted, who do you think he should replace in the West? I guess Klay but who else? And is Lou even playing better than CJ McCollum?
If there's ever a season to disregard rules, it would be one where east vs west isn't the focus. Just get the best players. That said, lots of deserving candidates.

Chronz
02-01-2018, 05:36 PM
Its a difference of a few games, dude. We have 2 less losses then Miami and we play tomorrow. the all star game is about the numbers and the numbers support Simmons pretty easily. Hes better then Dragic at everything except 3pt shooting.

Simmons: 16/7/8/1.8 stls on 52% shooting and better advanced numbers

Dragic: 17/5/4/0.8 stls on 43% shooting

plain and simple Dragic got in bcuz Miami shot up to 4th and i said thats fine and i expected it
Have you seen the teams and Simmons numbers without embeast tho?

warfelg
02-01-2018, 05:37 PM
Honest reason, Simmons didn't make it because he is not seen as the best player for the Sixers. And when you consider that the team suffers big time when Embiid is not playing, Simmons isn't leading his team to wins.

Ok. So by that logic there’s a bunch of guys that shouldn’t be in it because of the same reasoning. We shouldn’t have Klay or Dray. Shouldn’t have Beal. Shouldn’t have quite a few guys.

Sorry. Saying he hasn’t been the best player for a team is the stupidest reason to say a guy shouldn’t be an all star.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 05:39 PM
Ok. So by that logic there’s a bunch of guys that shouldn’t be in it because of the same reasoning. We shouldn’t have Klay or Dray. Shouldn’t have Beal. Shouldn’t have quite a few guys.

Sorry. Saying he hasn’t been the best player for a team is the stupidest reason to say a guy shouldn’t be an all star.

1) Sixers have a record that isn't exactly worthy of having two all-stars.
2) Sixers suffer big time when Embiid is off.

The team just doesn't look great when it's just Simmons and they penalized him for that. I'd rather see Ben in it but I'm giving you reasons as to why Ben was not > Dragic. And my logic isn't that if you're not the best, you shouldn't be in it. It's particularly for the Sixers in which their record isn't great and for these teams, usually only one all-star is enough. I clarified specifically that he wasn't the best player for the Sixers. This isn't the same case for teams with multiple all-stars because they're usually winning lots of games.

warfelg
02-01-2018, 05:58 PM
So then your admitting from the start that there is a bit of a bias by saying oh it’s ok to have multiple if your a good team. Seems convenient.

Either it should be just the best player for a team or best players overall. Team record should play little into it.

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 06:00 PM
So then your admitting from the start that there is a bit of a bias by saying oh it’s ok to have multiple if your a good team. Seems convenient.

Either it should be just the best player for a team or best players overall. Team record should play little into it.

Yes, it's always been that way.. Remember Hawks in 2014-2015 having four all stars? You're telling me that record has nothing to do with it? What seems convenient? It's literally, ALWAYS been that way. I'm following the format. Winning teams are always rewarded.

TheDish87
02-01-2018, 06:03 PM
Honest reason, Simmons didn't make it because he is not seen as the best player for the Sixers. And when you consider that the team suffers big time when Embiid is not playing, Simmons isn't leading his team to wins.

“The Miami Heat have been outscored by 96 points on the season with Goran Dragic on the court. The Philadelphia 76ers outscore opponents by 60 points when Ben Simmons is on the court”

“Ben Simmons, Goran Dragic, Kemba Walker, and Khris Middleton were all being considered as an All Star replacement. Simmons led them all in RPG, APG, SPG, BPG, and FG%. Simmons was not picked”

^@hoopsreference

it has nothing to do with him not being better then Embiid. To me its all about getting Miami in the game which is fine given their seed and the Sixers are represented already. But for argument sake, yes Simmons is 100% deserving over Dragic, Drumm, and even Wall i think.

warfelg
02-01-2018, 06:06 PM
Right which is why guys like Iggy and Jrue Holiday got in, which while nice, was silly because they weren’t actually some of the best in the conference.

I think it’s stupid to reward winning teams like that. Reward good players. The players playing the best. These no way Dragic as an individual is outplaying Simmons the individual. Only time record should come into it is if the two players are literally identical.

So you should have an issue with Drummond being selected if you’re following that format. Do you have an issue with him being selected?

TheDish87
02-01-2018, 06:07 PM
im for record playing a role but more so avoiding the bottom feeding teams rather than fringe playoff teams

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 06:09 PM
“The Miami Heat have been outscored by 96 points on the season with Goran Dragic on the court. The Philadelphia 76ers outscore opponents by 60 points when Ben Simmons is on the court”

“Ben Simmons, Goran Dragic, Kemba Walker, and Khris Middleton were all being considered as an All Star replacement. Simmons led them all in RPG, APG, SPG, BPG, and FG%. Simmons was not picked”

^@hoopsreference

it has nothing to do with him not being better then Embiid. To me its all about getting Miami in the game which is fine given their seed and the Sixers are represented already. But for argument sake, yes Simmons is 100% deserving over Dragic, Drumm, and even Wall i think.

You think coaches are sitting there doing all these numbers? They are looking at W/L. Simmons W/L without Embiid was poor so they don't reward him. Not totally out of reasoning.


Right which is why guys like Iggy and Jrue Holiday got in, which while nice, was silly because they weren’t actually some of the best in the conference.

I think it’s stupid to reward winning teams like that. Reward good players. The players playing the best. These no way Dragic as an individual is outplaying Simmons the individual. Only time record should come into it is if the two players are literally identical.

So you should have an issue with Drummond being selected if you’re following that format. Do you have an issue with him being selected?

How many All-Stars did Detroit have? Zero. Plus, with Cousins being out, they probably wanted a center to replace him. Look, I'm not the one deciding who the All-Stars are. I already said I would rather have Ben Simmons. I'm just telling you why they may have chosen Dragic over Simmons.. Not sure why you guys argue with me acting as if I am the one picking the All-stars.

bootsy
02-01-2018, 08:45 PM
Dragic deserved it, they're the 4th seed.

LOL this dude is so proud of the team of role players being a 4 seed in the East. Do they hang banners for that?
That is your ceiling and will be unless you have some miracle offseason again. Congrats on Dragic, the glorified role player making the all star team.:rolleyes:

More-Than-Most
02-01-2018, 09:53 PM
lmfao wait.... are we really saying a player deserved it because they are a 4 seed or in the playoffs when its literally the difference of 3 games?

So should we take giannis off the all star team or lebron off the all star team because their teams are clearly coming up short of expectations????????? You cant have it both ways. Gotta love this horrid logic

FlashBolt
02-01-2018, 09:58 PM
lmfao wait.... are we really saying a player deserved it because they are a 4 seed or in the playoffs when its literally the difference of 3 games?

So should we take giannis off the all star team or lebron off the all star team because their teams are clearly coming up short of expectations????????? You cant have it both ways. Gotta love this horrid logic

What horrid logic? Miami had zero all-star representatives. Does your brain work or do things go through one ear and then the other?

More-Than-Most
02-01-2018, 10:15 PM
What horrid logic? Miami had zero all-star representatives. Does your brain work or do things go through one ear and then the other?

what does Miami have to do with anything? You are justifying an all star spot on team record which is fine but if that is the case and weight goes into one player over another because one team is the 4th seed and the other team is an 8 seed and or out of the playoffs then the same merit should go into the fact that both the cavs and bucks are underachieving and their all star players i guess dont deserve to be there even if they are by far better players correct??????

This is called logic... Your argument is insinuating this flawed premise above... If one player has been better than another player they should be in the all star game period... Its the all star game and not the best player on a top seed or best player playing on a team playing above expectations award. I also had this same argument when the hawks players made it... its stupid


Oh and i am not advocating ben simmons in the all star game... I think he has quite clearly been an all star and better than dragic but my guy and the future goat is already there so I am happy... I am just in shock at the horrid logic in this thread.

WaDe03
02-01-2018, 10:23 PM
LOL this dude is so proud of the team of role players being a 4 seed in the East. Do they hang banners for that?
That is your ceiling and will be unless you have some miracle offseason again. Congrats on Dragic, the glorified role player making the all star team.:rolleyes:

The **** are you talking about clown? I'm a wade fan.

GREATNESS ONE
02-01-2018, 10:46 PM
The **** are you talking about clown? I'm a wade fan.

speaking of which, what are you going to do when Wade retires?

bootsy
02-01-2018, 11:42 PM
The **** are you talking about clown? I'm a wade fan.

You're a Heat fan. That's what/why I responded to your post about. Learn how to read carefully. And if anyone is a clown it's you. You can't even read. Uh duuhhh my name is wAdE03 or WaDe03, I'm cool and special. Read you doofus.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 08:50 AM
You think coaches are sitting there doing all these numbers? They are looking at W/L. Simmons W/L without Embiid was poor so they don't reward him. Not totally out of reasoning.



How many All-Stars did Detroit have? Zero. Plus, with Cousins being out, they probably wanted a center to replace him. Look, I'm not the one deciding who the All-Stars are. I already said I would rather have Ben Simmons. I'm just telling you why they may have chosen Dragic over Simmons.. Not sure why you guys argue with me acting as if I am the one picking the All-stars.

wait so you first said Simmons didnt make the team bcuz of his numbers without Embiid but now when its flipped with a similar stat in his favor coaches dont look at it? who do you think fans wanna see in the game? come on.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 10:21 AM
You're a Heat fan. That's what/why I responded to your post about. Learn how to read carefully. And if anyone is a clown it's you. You can't even read. Uh duuhhh my name is wAdE03 or WaDe03, I'm cool and special. Read you doofus.

You're making a fool of yourself, I'm rooting for the Cavs not the Heat. I'm just saying Dragic deserved it, why should Philly have 2 all stars when they're behind the Heat in the standings and the Heat have none? Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of, I can already tell your knowledge is garbage!

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 10:22 AM
speaking of which, what are you going to do when Wade retires?

Change my username to GREATNESS TWO and become your enemy as a Clippers fan.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 10:27 AM
You're making a fool of yourself, I'm rooting for the Cavs not the Heat. I'm just saying Dragic deserved it, why should Philly have 2 all stars when they're behind the Heat in the standings and the Heat have none? Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of, I can already tell your knowledge is garbage!

Because Dragic as a player is not better than Simmons as a player right now.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 10:30 AM
Because Dragic as a player is not better than Simmons as a player right now.

He leads his team to more wins than Simmons has and Simmons is the 2nd option. That matters when it comes to all star games. If you want multiple all stars your team has to be near the top of the standings or you have to have 2 superstar players like the Pelicans. The Sixers have neither.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 10:36 AM
Personally I don't think record should play one bit in being an all star. The all stars IMO should be all about who are playing the best right now. Not who's team is doing well and who off that team can be rewarded for it.

If you want to use the good stats/good team argument, there's players on the 3 teams above the Heat with better stats on a team that's playing better. Or you should be crying and raising hell that Drummond is in. But that's not happening.

So that's to me what I think the joke is. With Drummond we're hearing he deserved it because of stats. With Dragic it's about the record. Well Simmons is an important part on a team with a better record than the Pistons, and Simmons is statistically better than Dragic. So in both the arguments so far it is completely undone by the other replacement.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 10:39 AM
He leads his team to more wins than Simmons has and Simmons is the 2nd option. That matters when it comes to all star games. If you want multiple all stars your team has to be near the top of the standings or you have to have 2 superstar players like the Pelicans. The Sixers have neither.

Ok.....then are you mad that Drummond is in? Because if it's all about the wins, then Dragic should have been Wall's replacement and not Love's.

Oh yea....Pel's had 2 more wins than the Sixers when Boogie went down and were the 6th seed while the Sixers were the 8th seed. Really big difference there huh?

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 10:49 AM
He leads his team to more wins than Simmons has and Simmons is the 2nd option. That matters when it comes to all star games. If you want multiple all stars your team has to be near the top of the standings or you have to have 2 superstar players like the Pelicans. The Sixers have neither.

this is incredibly weak. The heat are being outscored with Dragic on the floor and the record difference is so marginal it doesnt matter. The league should have waited til tomorrow and went with whoever had the better game tonight in the head to head.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 10:57 AM
this is incredibly weak. The heat are being outscored with Dragic on the floor and the record difference is so marginal it doesnt matter. The league should have waited til tomorrow and went with whoever had the better game tonight in the head to head.

Like I said...its funny that they are ok with Drummond being in due to stats, and Dragic because of record. But in both arguments their logic fails because Simmons (and frankly Dragic) has a better record than Drummond; and they aren't mad that Drummond is in. Then they are ok with Dragic being in despite Ben having better stats. So they contradict themselves.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 10:57 AM
Ok.....then are you mad that Drummond is in? Because if it's all about the wins, then Dragic should have been Wall's replacement and not Love's.

Oh yea....Pel's had 2 more wins than the Sixers when Boogie went down and were the 6th seed while the Sixers were the 8th seed. Really big difference there huh?

There's a huge difference in AD or Cousins Vs Simmons. Those guys are superstars.

Drummond is one player, the Sixers have their one player in Embiid. The Sixers don't deserve 2

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 10:59 AM
Like I said...its funny that they are ok with Drummond being in due to stats, and Dragic because of record. But in both arguments their logic fails because Simmons (and frankly Dragic) has a better record than Drummond; and they aren't mad that Drummond is in. Then they are ok with Dragic being in despite Ben having better stats. So they contradict themselves.

No, the Sixers just already have 1 all star. There's no reason they should have 2 if the Heat don't have any.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 11:00 AM
this is incredibly weak. The heat are being outscored with Dragic on the floor and the record difference is so marginal it doesnt matter. The league should have waited til tomorrow and went with whoever had the better game tonight in the head to head.

You're arguing for a bad team to have 2 all stars and the 4th seed to have none. That's weak.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 11:06 AM
There's a huge difference in AD or Cousins Vs Simmons. Those guys are superstars.

Drummond is one player, the Sixers have their one player in Embiid. The Sixers don't deserve 2

So no leg to stand on? Cool.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 11:07 AM
No, the Sixers just already have 1 all star. There's no reason they should have 2 if the Heat don't have any.

Yes there is. Because Simmons is a budding star. Embiid is a budding superstar. Dragic is neither. He's just a decent player on a team playing well.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 11:15 AM
Yes there is. Because Simmons is a budding star. Embiid is a budding superstar. Dragic is neither. He's just a decent player on a team playing well.

The best player on a team playing well therefore deserved an all star spot. Looks like the coaches agree.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 11:16 AM
So no leg to stand on? Cool.

Sorry but if you want 2 all stars your team needs to be better or you need to have 2 superstar level players on your team.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 11:33 AM
The best player on a team playing well therefore deserved an all star spot. Looks like the coaches agree.

Then why did Drummon make it before Dragic?

warfelg
02-02-2018, 11:35 AM
Sorry but if you want 2 all stars your team needs to be better or you need to have 2 superstar level players on your team.

So you didn't answer why if the Pel's were only 2 games up on the Sixers in the win column how they were "that much more ahead" that they earned it.

GREATNESS ONE
02-02-2018, 11:35 AM
Change my username to GREATNESS TWO and become your enemy as a Clippers fan.

:laugh2: you wouldn’t last in the Clippers forum, it’s a ghost town!

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 11:36 AM
So you didn't answer why if the Pel's were only 2 games up on the Sixers in the win column how they were "that much more ahead" that they earned it.

I did answer, it's because Cousins and Davis are superstar top 10 players.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 11:37 AM
Then why did Drummon make it before Dragic?

You'll have to talk to the coaches about that, I thought Dragic should've been the first replacement.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 11:39 AM
You'll have to talk to the coaches about that, I thought Dragic should've been the first replacement.

It's not the coaches that pick though. It's the Commish.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 11:43 AM
It's not the coaches that pick though. It's the Commish.

I'm pretty sure the commissioner just picked whoever was next in line in the voting. I believe I read that somewhere.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 11:46 AM
I'm pretty sure the commissioner just picked whoever was next in line in the voting. I believe I read that somewhere.

Nope he did not. He used it as a guide but he did not use that list specifically.

But here you are running behind that, instead of discussing and talking about how the changing reasoning from stats to wins leads to an inconsistency. So how is it in one case stats are ok to you and in another case wins are, but it both don't matter in both cases.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 11:56 AM
Nope he did not. He used it as a guide but he did not use that list specifically.

But here you are running behind that, instead of discussing and talking about how the changing reasoning from stats to wins leads to an inconsistency. So how is it in one case stats are ok to you and in another case wins are, but it both don't matter in both cases.

I'm not running behind anything. A ****** team doesn't deserve 2 all stars if they're not top tier players. In the Sixers case, they have 1 guy who should for sure be an all star, the other is borderline and therefore he isn't in. You can't compare Simmons to AD or Cousins because the talent level isn't close. As for Drummond, he's the best player on the team right behind the Sixers. The Sixers got their player and the Pistons got theirs. Why should the Sixers have 2 more than the Pistons who are right next to them? Why should the Sixers have 2 when the team 4 seeds ahead of them has none?

It's really not that complicated, you all should just be happy Embiid is finally healthy enough to get in. Simmons will have his time. I could sit here and ***** about the way the all stars are picked now compared to how they used to be because Wade doesn't get in anymore and It's lowering his all star appearances from what it would've been but it really doesn't matter.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 11:58 AM
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Like I said, talk to the coaches about it.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 12:39 PM
You're arguing for a bad team to have 2 all stars and the 4th seed to have none. That's weak.

how are we a bad team? holding a playoff spot at .500 after having played the hardest schedule and only having our starting 5 for like 21 games. Pistons are a bad team with a losing record not in a playoff spot so i guess Drumm is deserving then.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 12:40 PM
I did answer, it's because Cousins and Davis are superstar top 10 players.

but the Pelicans arent a bad team and the Sixers?

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 12:41 PM
i also dont care the Ben isnt in the game, this is just for arguments sake bcuz i think there is one. I really disagree with the logic being used in here is all.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 12:56 PM
i also dont care the Ben isnt in the game, this is just for arguments sake bcuz i think there is one. I really disagree with the logic being used in here is all.

It's what the coaches voted though. If Embiid wasn't on the Sixers Simmons would probably be in but you guys don't deserve 2 all stars if you're .500 unless they're superstars.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 01:00 PM
i also dont care the Ben isnt in the game, this is just for arguments sake bcuz i think there is one. I really disagree with the logic being used in here is all.

That's where I am. To use record and be ok with it being the reason for one, and stats for the other, the consistency of the argument is off.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 01:06 PM
That's where I am. To use record and be ok with it being the reason for one, and stats for the other, the consistency of the argument is off.

Based on record AND stats Drummond Dragic and Embiid got in. Based on record stats and the fact that you all already have one all star, Simmons stats weren't good enough to warrant a 2nd all star for you all. Coaches agreed.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 01:14 PM
Based on record AND stats Drummond Dragic and Embiid got in. Based on record stats and the fact that you all already have one all star, Simmons stats weren't good enough to warrant a 2nd all star for you all. Coaches agreed.

Shouldn't matter. Period.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 01:15 PM
Shouldn't matter. Period.

Lmao, so why are you arguing with me about how coaches voted when I basically said Simmons was my option? Coaches didn't feel Sixers deserve two all-stars because Simmons wasn't able to lift the team when Embiid was out and Dragic has been on his team and leading his team to the #4th seed where they had zero All-Stars. End of story, bud. Whether or not you agree with it is your own belief.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 01:17 PM
wait so you first said Simmons didnt make the team bcuz of his numbers without Embiid but now when its flipped with a similar stat in his favor coaches dont look at it? who do you think fans wanna see in the game? come on.

I never said about numbers.. Go quote that. I said Sixers took a huge turn of L's when Embiid was out but Simmons was still active. So coaches reward W/L. If you think a coach actually sits there and looks at advanced stats and think the team is actually better without Goran than with, IDK what to tell you. There are very few teams who look at advanced stats. Morey is the driver of that. How many teams do you realistically sits down and says, "This player has this PER, let's use him more."

bootsy
02-02-2018, 01:19 PM
You're making a fool of yourself, I'm rooting for the Cavs not the Heat. I'm just saying Dragic deserved it, why should Philly have 2 all stars when they're behind the Heat in the standings and the Heat have none? Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of, I can already tell your knowledge is garbage!

So not only are you special kind of fool but you are also a bandwagon hopper. You are the worst kind of fan 'I'm going to root for whatever team my favorite player plays on'.:rolleyes: Get the **** outta here with that weak ****.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 01:23 PM
Shouldn't matter. Period.

It should and it's does, therefore Simmons is out.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 01:24 PM
So not only are you special kind of fool but you are also a bandwagon hopper. You are the worst kind of fan 'I'm going to root for whatever team my favorite player plays on'.:rolleyes: Get the **** outta here with that weak ****.

Pull up then!

bootsy
02-02-2018, 01:29 PM
Pull up then!

LOL at this e-thug. Pull up. How bout you pull up out of this forum. That would be nice for you to pull up on.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 01:32 PM
LOL at this e-thug. Pull up. How bout you pull up out of this forum. That would be nice for you to pull up on.

Wtf is a bootsy?

GREATNESS ONE
02-02-2018, 01:36 PM
^ If you gotta ask, you can't afford it.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 01:39 PM
Lmao, so why are you arguing with me about how coaches voted when I basically said Simmons was my option?

How am I arguing with you? Your jumping into me calling out Wade for not giving better reasoning that Drummond/Stats and Dragic/wins. I get Drummond being in there. Personally I hoped a guard on the team going out meant a guy voted as a guard would replace him. But Drummond has been really impact held back by a bad team.

Dragic....eh. Like I said....Jrue Holiday and Andre Igoudala were Sixers that got in because of an obligation to put in a player on a good team and neither of them felt right in there. That's just how I feel about Dragic. He doesn't feel like an All Star. He's in there because of a preconceived need for a player on a good team and it cheapens the selection IMO.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 01:41 PM
How am I arguing with you? Your jumping into me calling out Wade for not giving better reasoning that Drummond/Stats and Dragic/wins. I get Drummond being in there. Personally I hoped a guard on the team going out meant a guy voted as a guard would replace him. But Drummond has been really impact held back by a bad team.

Dragic....eh. Like I said....Jrue Holiday and Andre Igoudala were Sixers that got in because of an obligation to put in a player on a good team and neither of them felt right in there. That's just how I feel about Dragic. He doesn't feel like an All Star. He's in there because of a preconceived need for a player on a good team and it cheapens the selection IMO.

You were quoting me with my "logic" before Wade ever even made a post here. I was saying Ben would be my all-star pick but because Philly has had a poor record that coaches don't think spells two all-stars, they gave it to Goran who is the best player on the #4 seed of a team that really, didn't even look playoff worthy. I mean, they were three points from being the #3 seed just last game. Record does matter. Look at the precedent with Atlanta Hawks that I mentioned in 2014-2015... four all-stars. You really think Korver was all-star worthy? He was rewarded because the team surprised everyone and was at that time, #1 seed in the league.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 01:45 PM
You were quoting me with my "logic" before Wade ever even made a post here. I was saying Ben would be my all-star pick but because Philly has had a poor record that coaches don't think spells two all-stars, they gave it to Goran who is the best player on the #4 seed of a team that really, didn't even look playoff worthy. I mean, they were three points from being the #3 seed just last game. Record does matter. Look at the precedent with Atlanta Hawks that I mentioned in 2014-2015... four all-stars. You really think Korver was all-star worthy? He was rewarded because the team surprised everyone and was at that time, #1 seed in the league.

They're just overlooking the fact that they already had 1 all star, if you're not a top seed it's very hard to get more than 1. In the Pelicans case they have 2 superstars putting up ridiculous numbers that are far better than Simmons.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 01:48 PM
They're just overlooking the fact that they already had 1 all star, if you're not a top seed it's very hard to get more than 1. In the Pelicans case they have 2 superstars putting up ridiculous numbers that are far better than Simmons.

Like, what team in the 8th seed deserves two all-stars? I don't know what the Sixers record without Embiid but with Simmons is but I can bet it's not very good at all. Shouldn't an All-Star at least be able to get their team a positive record alone?

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 01:49 PM
And the Sixers are 3.5 games from the 4th spot......In the east, the way 4-10 are so close, record is a weak argument IMO.

Again...you're basically trying to argue with me in all but the fact that I think the obligation All Star nod is weak. I hated that 2014-15 All Star game because of the 4 Hawks. I would prefer that all star replacements come from the Fan/Player/Media combined vote, not the coaches vote. It's an exhibition game meant for the fans. Not something meant for the coaches.

BUDDY. You would have an argument if Heat had ONE all-star already. they had ZERO. So the coaches felt compelled to give them ONE. Which concept is truly that confusing?

warfelg
02-02-2018, 01:50 PM
You were quoting me with my "logic" before Wade ever even made a post here. I was saying Ben would be my all-star pick but because Philly has had a poor record that coaches don't think spells two all-stars, they gave it to Goran who is the best player on the #4 seed of a team that really, didn't even look playoff worthy. I mean, they were three points from being the #3 seed just last game. Record does matter. Look at the precedent with Atlanta Hawks that I mentioned in 2014-2015... four all-stars. You really think Korver was all-star worthy? He was rewarded because the team surprised everyone and was at that time, #1 seed in the league.

And the Sixers are 3.5 games from the 4th spot......In the east, the way 4-10 are so close, record is a weak argument IMO.

Again...you're basically trying to argue with me in all but the fact that I think the obligation All Star nod is weak. I hated that 2014-15 All Star game because of the 4 Hawks. I would prefer that all star replacements come from the Fan/Player/Media combined vote, not the coaches vote. It's an exhibition game meant for the fans. Not something meant for the coaches.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 02:30 PM
I never said about numbers.. Go quote that. I said Sixers took a huge turn of L's when Embiid was out but Simmons was still active. So coaches reward W/L. If you think a coach actually sits there and looks at advanced stats and think the team is actually better without Goran than with, IDK what to tell you. There are very few teams who look at advanced stats. Morey is the driver of that. How many teams do you realistically sits down and says, "This player has this PER, let's use him more."

no coach is looking at advanced stats yet tracking the Sixers/Simmons performance when Embiid doesnt play? come on, man. stop reaching.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 02:31 PM
Wtf is a bootsy?

yeaaa ummm that dude is weird.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 02:32 PM
no coach is looking at advanced stats yet tracking the Sixers/Simmons performance when Embiid doesnt play? come on, man. stop reaching.

I said Wins and Losses. What is Ben's wins and losses without Embiid? Reply back with that stat or don't reply back at all.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 02:32 PM
Like, what team in the 8th seed deserves two all-stars? I don't know what the Sixers record without Embiid but with Simmons is but I can bet it's not very good at all. Shouldn't an All-Star at least be able to get their team a positive record alone?

so if we win the next 3-5 games and move to 4th does that change anything?

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 02:33 PM
I said Wins and Losses. What is Ben's wins and losses without Embiid? Reply back with that stat or don't reply back at all.

again, you think the coaches know this or care? i dont think any coach is holding the sixers record without embiid against a rookie guard lol

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 02:35 PM
again, you think the coaches know this or care? i dont think any coach is holding the sixers record without embiid against a rookie guard lol

Of course they notice.. lmao. the only reason you guys are in the playoffs is because Embiid (who is the all-star of the team) was healthy enough for much of the season. Sixers with Embiid and no Ben would do better than vice-versa, so teams aren't rewarding Ben. If you don't think W/L matters, explain to me how Hawks got four all-stars a few years ago.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 02:41 PM
I said Wins and Losses. What is Ben's wins and losses without Embiid? Reply back with that stat or don't reply back at all.

Honest question. What do you think of the Sixers without Embiid OR Simmons?

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 02:50 PM
Honest question. What do you think of the Sixers without Embiid OR Simmons?

Without Embiid, not a very good team
Without Simmons, still a good team.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 02:58 PM
Of course they notice.. lmao. the only reason you guys are in the playoffs is because Embiid (who is the all-star of the team) was healthy enough for much of the season. Sixers with Embiid and no Ben would do better than vice-versa, so teams aren't rewarding Ben. If you don't think W/L matters, explain to me how Hawks got four all-stars a few years ago.

but the Pistons arent in the playoffs at all and Dragic isnt the sole reason Miami is where they are like you claim Embiis is for the sixers.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 03:15 PM
Without Embiid, not a very good team
Without Simmons, still a good team.

And with that you are wrong.

How good can a team with a DC of:
TJ McConnel - Jerryd Bayless
JJ Reddick - TLC
Robert Covington - Justin Anderson
Dario Saric
Amir Johnson - Richaun Holmes

be? I Would bet if that was your rotation for the season you aren't winning double digit games.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 03:19 PM
but the Pistons arent in the playoffs at all and Dragic isnt the sole reason Miami is where they are like you claim Embiis is for the sixers.

1) I can't speak for the coaches but they wanted to reward a player from the 4th seed and who didn't have an All-Star yet. What's wrong with that? Btw, since you are too lazy or afraid to post it, Sixers are 2-8 with Simmons/without Embiid. Doesn't sound like he's carrying his team the way an All-Star should. I've already stated I would take taken Ben Simmons but I don't see why it's out of the ordinary for Goran to get in as well. It's not a terrible decision.

2) East lost a center in Cousins, they got a center in Drummond. You have to use your head and think about why someone would take Drummond or Goran over Ben. It's not just, "I am a Philly fan so I want this guy to win or get this." You think I have any more information than you? Not everything is because they hate Ben. No one here has given a good reason why Ben deserves it more than Drummond or Dragic other than Ben is a bigger name.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 03:20 PM
And with that you are wrong.

How good can a team with a DC of:
TJ McConnel - Jerryd Bayless
JJ Reddick - TLC
Robert Covington - Justin Anderson
Dario Saric
Amir Johnson - Richaun Holmes

be? I Would bet if that was your rotation for the season you aren't winning double digit games.

It's your opinion that I am wrong. You can't prove I am wrong, though.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 03:51 PM
1) I can't speak for the coaches but they wanted to reward a player from the 4th seed and who didn't have an All-Star yet. What's wrong with that? Btw, since you are too lazy or afraid to post it, Sixers are 2-8 with Simmons/without Embiid. Doesn't sound like he's carrying his team the way an All-Star should. I've already stated I would take taken Ben Simmons but I don't see why it's out of the ordinary for Goran to get in as well. It's not a terrible decision.

2) East lost a center in Cousins, they got a center in Drummond. You have to use your head and think about why someone would take Drummond or Goran over Ben. It's not just, "I am a Philly fan so I want this guy to win or get this." You think I have any more information than you? Not everything is because they hate Ben. No one here has given a good reason why Ben deserves it more than Drummond or Dragic other than Ben is a bigger name.

i never said Simmons carried anything, hes a rookie, no rookies lead a team anywhere and you know that. However, Dragic hasnt carried anything, hes not having a note worthy or all star season. He is simply in bcuz Miami moved into the 4th for the time being and i never argued that point. i said this is all for arguments sake but Ben is easily having a better season then Dragic im not sure how theres a debate on that. Again, i dont care ben missed out, he will be like 10 of these games.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 03:55 PM
i never said Simmons carried anything, hes a rookie, no rookies lead a team anywhere and you know that. However, Dragic hasnt carried anything, hes not having a note worthy or all star season. He is simply in bcuz Miami moved into the 4th for the time being and i never argued that point. i said this is all for arguments sake but Ben is easily having a better season then Dragic im not sure how theres a debate on that. Again, i dont care ben missed out, he will be like 10 of these games.

Lol, no point in debating with you. If you're going to say Ben deserves it over Dragic based on statistics, then Kemba should be ahead of Ben. And there are probably a few other players, too. Why don't you care that a Ben Simmons without Embiid has a 2-8 record? Pretty obvious his team isn't doing too well when he's the "all-star" of the team, huh? No rookies lead a team anywhere? Lol, stop it dude. We're judging if he is an all-star or not. If he can't lead a team, why is he an All-star capable player?

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 04:16 PM
why would i care about a 10 game sample size that included multiple games without 1 if not 2 other starters? What did KD do as a rook? how about year 2 with Russ? What about Lebron did he reach the playoffs as a rook? i cold go on and onnnnnn dude. One last time...Drummound hasnt lead anything, Davis has never led his team anywhere, Dragic isnt doing much to claim all star status.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 04:19 PM
It's your opinion that I am wrong. You can't prove I am wrong, though.

Hahaha. The ole “it can’t be proved so we can’t know”.

Actually we do. How many games did the Sixers win after February last year? You think JJ Reddick and Amir Johnson makes that suddenly a good team? If you think that it’s a joke.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 04:21 PM
why would i care about a 10 game sample size that included multiple games without 1 if not 2 other starters? What did KD do as a rook? how about year 2 with Russ? What about Lebron did he reach the playoffs as a rook? i cold go on and onnnnnn dude. One last time...Drummound hasnt lead anything, Davis has never led his team anywhere, Dragic isnt doing much to claim all star status.

Was LeBron an All-star in his rookie season? What about KD? Boy, stop.


Hahaha. The ole “it can’t be proved so we can’t know”.

Actually we do. How many games did the Sixers win after February last year? You think JJ Reddick and Amir Johnson makes that suddenly a good team? If you think that it’s a joke.

I said with Embiid, they are a pretty good team. What are you talking about?

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 04:22 PM
why would i care about a 10 game sample size that included multiple games without 1 if not 2 other starters? What did KD do as a rook? how about year 2 with Russ? What about Lebron did he reach the playoffs as a rook? i cold go on and onnnnnn dude. One last time...Drummound hasnt lead anything, Davis has never led his team anywhere, Dragic isnt doing much to claim all star status.

Post #80.

This is what you said.

"but i do get why Dragic was selected with Miami being in 4th with no rep."

Now you're telling me Dragic doesn't deserve it but your original post #80 says you understand how he got it? Do you like, even listen to your own post?

warfelg
02-02-2018, 04:40 PM
Was LeBron an All-star in his rookie season? What about KD? Boy, stop.



I said with Embiid, they are a pretty good team. What are you talking about?

Maybe you should follow the conversation you are part of. You said without Embiid they are bad. Without Simmons they could be good. I asked you when that team does without either (when I asked when that team does without Embiid or Simmons, implying both are out) and you said it can’t be proven they wouldn’t be good.

Without both those guys this team might be one of the bottom feeders. Saric is good but if he’s the best player on your team you are in trouble.

TheDish87
02-02-2018, 04:43 PM
Post #80.

This is what you said.

"but i do get why Dragic was selected with Miami being in 4th with no rep."

Now you're telling me Dragic doesn't deserve it but your original post #80 says you understand how he got it? Do you like, even listen to your own post?

jesus can you not read. i actually said that more than once. i am just arguing the logic being used in that, i might understand it but i sure dont agree with it.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 04:43 PM
jesus can you not read. i actually said that more than once. i am just arguing the logic being used in that, i might understand it but i sure dont agree with it.

Your comments contradict what you're saying - which is something you somehow can't comprehend. But I love how you still can't tell me why you bring up LeBron when LeBron wasn't even an All-Star in his rookie season. KD wasn't even an All-Star until his third season. Do you know how many seasons it took Curry to become an All-star?

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 04:46 PM
Maybe you should follow the conversation you are part of. You said without Embiid they are bad. Without Simmons they could be good. I asked you when that team does without either (when I asked when that team does without Embiid or Simmons, implying both are out) and you said it can’t be proven they wouldn’t be good.

Without both those guys this team might be one of the bottom feeders. Saric is good but if he’s the best player on your team you are in trouble.

Maybe you should have used AND instead of OR then - which is quite confusing as it could mean Sixers without Embiid only or Sixers without Simmons only.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 06:18 PM
Like, what team in the 8th seed deserves two all-stars? I don't know what the Sixers record without Embiid but with Simmons is but I can bet it's not very good at all. Shouldn't an All-Star at least be able to get their team a positive record alone?

you do realize there has been top players on bad teams that have made the all star team right? hell i think kobe did it twice. jesus christ


wins losses is by far the dumbest argument i have ever heard..... until we are using an 8th seed as justification over a 4 seed when they are separated by 3 games :laugh:

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 07:05 PM
you do realize there has been top players on bad teams that have made the all star team right? hell i think kobe did it twice. jesus christ


wins losses is by far the dumbest argument i have ever heard..... until we are using an 8th seed as justification over a 4 seed when they are separated by 3 games :laugh:

You're comparing Kobe to Ben Simmons, that should give you your answer right there lol.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 08:41 PM
You're comparing Kobe to Ben Simmons, that should give you your answer right there lol.

when did i compare them? i stated it happens quite a bit where a top guy on a bad team makes it :shrug:

the notion that 3 wins and or seeds is a good way of picking guys is hilariously awful... again its the all star team and not the all star player on the best team etc etc etc. Is simmons having a better year than Dragic? The answer is yes and thus that is all that should matter and vice versa if the answer was dragic or lowry or hell even lonzo.


Also again which you 2 have not answered... If wins/seeding/expectations is an argument why is giannis/bron starting with both guys are on underachieving teams? Before you guys say -fan vote- Understand that they would be there nomatter what and they deserve it.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 08:44 PM
you do realize there has been top players on bad teams that have made the all star team right? hell i think kobe did it twice. jesus christ


wins losses is by far the dumbest argument i have ever heard..... until we are using an 8th seed as justification over a 4 seed when they are separated by 3 games :laugh:

I honestly don't get what's wrong with some people. It's like some of you were born without comprehension skills and or just refuse to use your brain.

1) Bad teams? Are you referring to 05-06 in which Kobe was voted in as a starter? You know starters are voted in by fans, right? Or are you talking about Kobe's last season in which again, he was the leading All-star vote getter because people want to watch Kobe. Shocking. Fans aren't that familiar with Ben so he isn't getting the votes, yet.

2) No, dummy. I clearly, for the fiftieth time, told you that Dragic got in over Ben because they wanted to reward a 4th seed Miami team an All-star representation because they had none.. Is that going through over your head? Like, can you give me your phone number so I can explain this concept to you? Because the sheer thought that someone can't comprehend the following two above is making me feel bad that some people really and honestly, can't think at ALL.

3) LeBron and Giannis are starting.. wait for it.. BECAUSE THEY WERE VOTED IN BY THE FANS. LMAO, are you that dense? If you don't know how the process works, just shut up. Jesus. Fans also tried voting Zaza Pachulia into the game and it almost worked. Fans. FANS voted THEM IN. Fans did NOT vote for Ben Simmons. The reserves are NOT FAN VOTED. UNDERSTAND? WHAT language do you want me to translate it?

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 08:45 PM
I honestly don't get what's wrong with some people. It's like some of you were born without comprehension skills and or just refuse to use your brain.

1) Bad teams? Are you referring to 05-06 in which Kobe was voted in as a starter? You know starters are voted in by fans, right? Or are you talking about Kobe's last season in which again, he was the leading All-star vote getter because people want to watch Kobe. Shocking. Fans aren't that familiar with Ben so he isn't getting the votes, yet.

2) No, dummy. I clearly, for the fiftieth time, told you that Dragic got in over Ben because they wanted to reward a 4th seed Miami team an All-star representation because they had none.. Is that going through over your head? Like, can you give me your phone number so I can explain this concept to you? Because the sheer thought that someone can't comprehend the following two above is making me feel bad that some people really and honestly, can't think at ALL.

without even reading further that is gloriously ironic.

after reading further i mentioned dont bring up the they were voted in by fans BS in my recent post because they would make it regardless.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 08:46 PM
without even reading further that is gloriously ironic.

after reading further i mentioned dont bring up the they were voted in by fans BS in my recent post because they would make it regardless.

Because you can't read further. You're already confused.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 08:49 PM
again you are backtracking... the fans can vote... we agree with that and stated that ben simmons deserves where you said it should go to a team because of the seed/winloss record so dont try to use the bull **** fan vote as an out for a horrid argument... I dont care if the fans vote in bayless because that is the prerogative and has 0 to do with the debate we are destroying you on.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THE HAWKS... We said the hawks made it and our issue is that wins/losses is a dumb reason for putting guys in... your argument was the heat is a 4 seed and the sixers arent and ben simmons/wins etc etc etc.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 08:51 PM
your soul argument has been wins/4seed/ben simmons without embiid... dont try to use the fan vote as the end all be all now

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 08:54 PM
again you are backtracking... the fans can vote... we agree with that and stated that ben simmons deserves where you said it should go to a team because of the seed/winloss record so dont try to use the bull **** fan vote as an out for a horrid argument... I dont care if the fans vote in bayless because that is the prerogative and has 0 to do with the debate we are destroying you on.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THE HAWKS... We said the hawks made it and our issue is that wins/losses is a dumb reason for putting guys in... your argument was the heat is a 4 seed and the sixers arent and ben simmons/wins etc etc etc.

1) You're asking how did Kobe make it in bad seasons. I told you they made it because he was voted in by the fans. Why are you bringing up Kobe then if you aren't trying to explain how he got into the games?

2) You are the one backtracking and can't understand the most basic concept. I never said it should go to the team that has more wins.. Can you learn to read? I said the coaches or whoever selected Dragic did because 1) higher seeding 2) Miami had zero all-star representatives while Philly already had one and their record also doesn't make that much sense to have two while another team in a higher seeding has zero. It's the only explanation as to why they chose Dragic.

3) You aren't destroying anyone on anything. If you are, then tell me why Dragic is the All-star and not Ben Simmons? Oh, you're telling me they have it out for Ben Simmons? Lmao, get real. My argument is, I would rather have Ben Simmons but I could understand how Dragic got in because of seeding and how Miami had zero all-stars despite being a surprising team this season. I'm sorry if these basic words are confusing you but I can not dumb it down any further than it is.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 08:55 PM
your soul argument has been wins/4seed/ben simmons without embiid... dont try to use the fan vote as the end all be all now

You're the one who asked how did LeBron/Giannis/Kobe make it to the All-Star and I told you that all three were voted in by the fans. Stop asking stupid questions and then when someone gives you the answer for it, you claim I'm the one using that as an excuse. I never even mentioned fan vote until you asked the question. MTM, I am worried for you. PM me if you need some educational tools. I have a library filled with all sorts of books.

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 08:55 PM
I don't even understand why this is being discusssed. It's clear as day why Simmons didn't make it.

warfelg
02-02-2018, 08:56 PM
Fans aren't that familiar with Ben so he isn't getting the votes, yet.


FYI he was 3rd in fan voting for east guards ;)

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 08:56 PM
lmfao wow... i am at a loss for words.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 08:57 PM
lmfao wow... i am at a loss for words.

I've been thinking the same thing. I don't think you and reading words are a good mix. You need like an audio version for these things.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 08:59 PM
I've been thinking the same thing. I don't think you and reading words are a good mix. You need like an audio version for these things.

You actually are trying to troll because even you cant be this clueless.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 08:59 PM
FYI he was 3rd in fan voting for east guards ;)

It's close but there isn't a lopsided voting that we see from premier guards. That's why I said yet. There are like 3-4 other players in that same voting range. Eventually Ben will get there but he really hasn't established himself as a household name.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:00 PM
You actually are trying to troll because even you cant be this clueless.

Yeah, now I'm the troll because you said so. You must be real bright, MTM. I've answered all your questions and you still can't understand any of the concepts so you continue replying with I am the troll now. Haha, don't change. We need more dummies to keep the world even.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:02 PM
I don't even understand why this is being discusssed. It's clear as day why Simmons didn't make it.

MTM doesn't understand why Dragic could have been selected so he blames it on me for explaining to him why. After I have more than five times said I would rather have chosen Ben if I had the choice. I am simply reiterating to him why Ben wasn't chosen. I think this guy really thinks it's Philly against the world. Eagles are in the superbowl and this guy is wondering why Ben Simmons isn't an All-star. Lmao, what a genius.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:05 PM
MTM doesn't understand why Dragic could have been selected so he blames it on me for explaining to him why. After I have more than five times said I would rather have chosen Ben if I had the choice. I am simply reiterating to him why Ben wasn't chosen. I think this guy really thinks it's Philly against the world. Eagles are in the superbowl and this guy is wondering why Ben Simmons isn't an All-star. Lmao, what a genius.

no point in going further... just enjoy how you backtrack.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:08 PM
no point in going further... just enjoy how you backtrack.

"How did kobe get in on some bad teams."

I reply:

Because he was voted in by fans to start the game.

Your reply:

"Stop backtracking."


Are you serious? Lmao.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:15 PM
"How did kobe get in on some bad teams."

I reply:

Because he was voted in by fans to start the game.

Your reply:

"Stop backtracking."


Are you serious? Lmao.

The topic is not about fan voting... Why is this so hard to comprehend? Kobe got in on bad teams because fan voting AND BECAUSE IT WAS JUSTIFIABLE because he was having a great season that had 0 to do with win/loss... Your opinion is that the seed and having your team in a playoff spot matters...I used Kobe to show you it doesnt along with 12 other players i could show you right now... Fan vote has nothing to do with the overall premise that you think dragic deserves to be there because the heat are a 4 seed and the sixers dont deserve 2 all stars because they are an 8 seed... an entire 3 games out.

That is an idiotic and adorably flawed premise... but yes continue to grasp on to whatever you can to try and justify arguing the heat over the sixers because of 3 entire games lol

Before you try to flash it up and backtrack just answer these questions

do you think the sixers deserve a 2nd all star being an 8 seed?

Do you think the heat deserve the all star because they are a 4 seed?

Has Simmons been better than dragic?

I will wait

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:20 PM
The topic is not about fan voting... Why is this so hard to comprehend? Kobe got in on bad teams because fan voting AND BECAUSE IT WAS JUSTIFIABLE because he was having a great season that had 0 to do with win/loss... Your opinion is that the seed and having your team in a playoff spot matters...I used Kobe to show you it doesnt along with 12 other players i could show you right now... Fan vote has nothing to do with the overall premise that you think dragic deserves to be there because the heat are a 4 seed and the sixers dont deserve 2 all stars because they are an 8 seed... an entire 3 games out.

That is an idiotic and adorably flawed premise... but yes continue to grasp on to whatever you can to try and justify arguing the heat over the sixers because of 3 entire games lol

1) So how did Kobe get in on his last season? My point exactly, fan vote. You're the one who forced me to say fan vote. I never mentioned that at all until you asked how Giannis/Kobe/LeBron got in. Don't type too quick because I know your brain can't handle it.

2) Lol. I never said Dragic deserved to be in there. Wtf are you even saying? I don't even like Dragic. Hell, I even forgot he was in Miami. I'm simply explaining to you why he may have been picked over Ben Simmons.

3) For the, how many times? Can someone count it for me? It was TWO factors:

A) Miami has a better record.

B) Miami has ZERO all stars.



Did you catch that? How can there be two-all stars on a team but they don't have a better record than a team with zero all-stars? That's probably a line of thinking the people who chose Dragic had. For the billionth time, I never said Dragic deserved it. I also never said that it's MY type of logic. I'm saying, it's the people who CHOSE Dragic line of thinking. And I can understand it. Thanks for making this more difficult than it has to be.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:23 PM
1) So how did Kobe get in on his last season? My point exactly, fan vote. You're the one who forced me to say fan vote. I never mentioned that at all until you asked how Giannis/Kobe/LeBron got in. Don't type too quick because I know your brain can't handle it.

2) Lol. I never said Dragic deserved to be in there. Wtf are you even saying? I don't even like Dragic. Hell, I even forgot he was in Miami. I'm simply explaining to you why he may have been picked over Ben Simmons.

3) For the, how many times? Can someone count it for me? It was TWO factors:

A) Miami has a better record.

B) Miami has ZERO all stars.



Did you catch that? How can there be two-all stars on a team but they don't have a better record than a team with zero all-stars? That's probably a line of thinking the people who chose Dragic had. For the billionth time, I never said Dragic deserved it. I also never said that it's MY type of logic. I'm saying, it's the people who CHOSE Dragic line of thinking. And I can understand it. Thanks for making this more difficult than it has to be.


there it is... the original topic and opinion you had which i called stupid and it still is... How you ask... well if you understood basketball it could be because the 2 players are the best players on the bad team but the bad team could lack any number of things including depth/coaching/schedules etc etc etc etc... See all of this does in fact matter and if you actually sat here and used your brain and stopped trying to troll or argue just to argue you would understand... Now please answer the questions in my last post... Stop using fan voting as a crutch to derail the fact you have 0 ammo in your gun esp after posting the bold above.



why do the pelicans have a worst record than the blazers/bucks/pacers/wizards/heat when the pelicans have 2 top 10 players in the world and those other teams do not? PLEASE ANSWER THIS

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:24 PM
The topic is not about fan voting... Why is this so hard to comprehend? Kobe got in on bad teams because fan voting AND BECAUSE IT WAS JUSTIFIABLE because he was having a great season that had 0 to do with win/loss... Your opinion is that the seed and having your team in a playoff spot matters...I used Kobe to show you it doesnt along with 12 other players i could show you right now... Fan vote has nothing to do with the overall premise that you think dragic deserves to be there because the heat are a 4 seed and the sixers dont deserve 2 all stars because they are an 8 seed... an entire 3 games out.

That is an idiotic and adorably flawed premise... but yes continue to grasp on to whatever you can to try and justify arguing the heat over the sixers because of 3 entire games lol

Before you try to flash it up and backtrack just answer these questions

do you think the sixers deserve a 2nd all star being an 8 seed?

Do you think the heat deserve the all star because they are a 4 seed?

Has Simmons been better than dragic?

I will wait

1) No, I don't. I thought Kemba should have been the All-Star. I think Philly should have been a lot better if they are to have two all-stars.

2) No, I never said they do. I don't even think Dragic is the best on that team. I've never been a fan of Dragic.

3) Yes, he has. What's your point? Have I refuted that in any way?

4) As a fan, I would rather see players who have: The hype and the numbers. But I'm not the one choosing players. That's why I am simply explaining to you why I can understand their decision to picking Dragic for the reasons I have mentioned numerous times.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:25 PM
there it is... the original topic and opinion you had which i called stupid and it still is... How you ask... well if you understood basketball it could be because the 2 players are the best players on the bad team but the bad team could lack any number of things including depth/coaching/schedules etc etc etc etc... See all of this does in fact matter and if you actually sat here and used your brain and stopped trying to troll or argue just to argue you would understand... Now please answer the questions in my last post... Stop using fan voting as a crutch to derail the fact you have 0 ammo in your gun esp after posting the bold above.

Now read the sentence right after.

"That's probably a line of thinking the people who chose Dragic had."

Am I the one choosing Dragic? No, so sit down little boy and take out your Dr. Seuss book so daddy can read it to you. looks like you need some catching up.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:26 PM
why would i care about a 10 game sample size that included multiple games without 1 if not 2 other starters? What did KD do as a rook? how about year 2 with Russ? What about Lebron did he reach the playoffs as a rook? i cold go on and onnnnnn dude. One last time...Drummound hasnt lead anything, Davis has never led his team anywhere, Dragic isnt doing much to claim all star status.


there it is... the original topic and opinion you had which i called stupid and it still is... How you ask... well if you understood basketball it could be because the 2 players are the best players on the bad team but the bad team could lack any number of things including depth/coaching/schedules etc etc etc etc... See all of this does in fact matter and if you actually sat here and used your brain and stopped trying to troll or argue just to argue you would understand... Now please answer the questions in my last post... Stop using fan voting as a crutch to derail the fact you have 0 ammo in your gun esp after posting the bold above.



who do the pelicans have a worst record than the blazers/bucks/pacers/wizards/heat when the pelicans have 2 top 10 players in the world and those other teams do not? PLEASE ANSWER THIS

Because they were voted in by the fans? Lmao, you make this so easy. Oh, and someone should be the one to tell you this: You can't ask why a player from West was chosen and not from the East when there is a mandatory 15 players that has to be chosen from each conference. At least five players from the East wouldn't be all-stars if we took out this rule. So you including Bucks, Pacers, Wizards, and Heat make zero sense. Also, Wizards DO have two all stars... Wall+Beal. But you don't know that because Ben Simmons is all you care about. ben Ben Ben. Just blow him already.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:28 PM
Now read the sentence right after.

"That's probably a line of thinking the people who chose Dragic had."

Am I the one choosing Dragic? No, so sit down little boy and take out your Dr. Seuss book so daddy can read it to you. looks like you need some catching up.

its over... NO REBUTTAL...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEIMQ42-oU


Call it quits... There is no need for you to try and even answer the recent pelicans question now BECAUSE YOU CANT... You just shined a light on the knowledge you lack by asking me how the heat have a better record if the sixers have 2 all stars.... See the pelicans.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:28 PM
Because they were voted in by the fans? Lmao, you make this so easy.

:laugh:

man this is glorious. So if not for the fans AD and Cousins doesnt belong???? I will continue to wait. They are a worst team than bucks/pacers/heat/blazers yet they would have 2 all stars.... How can that be? Maybe because they are top players who have great seasons and record means ****.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:30 PM
its over... NO REBUTTAL...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEIMQ42-oU


Call it quits... There is no need for you to try and even answer the recent pelicans question now BECAUSE YOU CANT... You just shined a light on the knowledge you lack by asking me how the heat have a better record if the sixers have 2 all stars.... See the pelicans.

Buddy... the two players from the Pelicans roster were chosen by fans from voting. Go check the list of centers in the Western Conference.. How many are better than Cousins? Zero. So they voted Cousins in. If Embiid was in the West, Cousins wouldn't even be a starter. Which part of this is difficult for you, my child? Are you seriously asking why players from the East aren't making the Western Conference All-Stars? Or what is your logic. Tell daddy. I am here for you.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:32 PM
Buddy... the two players from the Pelicans roster were chosen by fans from voting. Go check the list of centers in the Western Conference.. How many are better than Cousins? Zero. So they voted Cousins in. If Embiid was in the West, Cousins wouldn't even be a starter. Which part of this is difficult for you, my child? Are you seriously asking why players from the East aren't making the Western Conference All-Stars? Or what is your logic. Tell daddy. I am here for you.

lmfao you are so mad and so out of your depth and I am loving every second of this.

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:35 PM
lmfao you are so mad and so out of your depth and I am loving every second of this.

You're actually making me realize something real life changing. I never thought I was incredibly smart but if some people are like you in the world, it gives me belief that I am smarter than the masses. I am proud of that. It's good to have people like you. Like they say, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Now I know why.. you have the mental capacity of a balloon. Your reading comprehension skills tell me that you work hard labor (not that there is anything wrong with it), but you clearly don't have a strong educational background because you can't grasp the most basic of words. I feel for you because this has probably hurt your financial situations in life. I applaud you for being a fan of a sport but other than that, I really don't understand how anyone has had so much difficulty understand the most basic of words that have been used. I wish you the best, MTM. And like I said, don't change. The rich need to get richer.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:35 PM
Buddy... the two players from the Pelicans roster were chosen by fans from voting. Go check the list of centers in the Western Conference.. How many are better than Cousins? Zero. So they voted Cousins in. If Embiid was in the West, Cousins wouldn't even be a starter. Which part of this is difficult for you, my child? Are you seriously asking why players from the East aren't making the Western Conference All-Stars? Or what is your logic. Tell daddy. I am here for you.


You said you have a hard time understand how the sixers could have 2 all stars over the heat when the heat have a better record which is your overall premise on why the sixers dont deserve a 2nd all star because of where they are in the standings... You saying this just ran your entire argument through dog **** : )


If there was no fan voting would they be all stars?????????

The answer is yes... So how in the world could the pelicans have 2 all stars over teams like the heat/blazers/pacers/bucks etc etc when they are a worse team record wise?

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:36 PM
You're actually making me realize something real life changing. I never thought I was incredibly smart but if some people are like you in the world, it gives me belief that I am smarter than the masses. I am proud of that. It's good to have people like you. Like they say, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Now I know why.. you have the mental capacity of a balloon. Your reading comprehension skills tell me that you work hard labor (not that there is anything wrong with it), but you clearly don't have a strong educational background because you can't grasp the most basic of words. I feel for you because this has probably hurt your financial situations in life. I applaud you for being a fan of a sport but other than that, I really don't understand how anyone has had so much difficulty understand the most basic of words that have been used. I wish you the best, MTM. And like I said, don't change. The rich need to get richer.

lmfao the anger ... You should probably take a few breaths and relax... Its just a sports forum bruh

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:37 PM
lmfao the anger

Have a nice day. I'm rooting for the Eagles btw.

*p.s., I said I would rather choose Ben over Dragic fifty times. Hope you realize I am actually on your side. But hey, I'm the troll!

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:39 PM
Because compared to Simmons they are FAR better. They're top 10 players in the league.

never said they werent... but you guys only look at record/standings etc... Ben is also far better than dragic :Shrug:

WaDe03
02-02-2018, 09:40 PM
You said you have a hard time understand how the sixers could have 2 all stars over the heat when the heat have a better record which is your overall premise on why the sixers dont deserve a 2nd all star because of where they are in the standings... You saying this just ran your entire argument through dog **** : )


If there was no fan voting would they be all stars?????????

The answer is yes... So how in the world could the pelicans have 2 all stars over teams like the heat/blazers/pacers/bucks etc etc when they are a worse team record wise?

Because compared to Simmons they are FAR better. They're top 10 players in the league.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:40 PM
Have a nice day. I'm rooting for the Eagles btw.

*p.s., I said I would rather choose Ben over Dragic fifty times. Hope you realize I am actually on your side. But hey, I'm the troll!

i am not an eagles fan but you have a nice day as well... just make sure you walk backwards out of here so we keep the theme going : )

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:45 PM
Because compared to Simmons they are FAR better. They're top 10 players in the league.

His point is that the record shouldn't matter because if DMC/Anthony Davis had that bad of a record together, then why are they both all-stars. Excluding the fan vote, he is saying they both would have made it regardless. And I agree. The difference in why they both would have made it anyways is because there aren't two frontcourt players better than them from the remaining pool. I mean, you're going to have to start looking at guys like Marc Gasol or Zach Randolph. I guess Kyle Kuzma? But really? So I explain to him that the people who are selecting this have many reasons to choose who they choose. I simply gave him reasons as to why they may have chosen Dragic over Ben even thought I would have selected Ben. But Ben doesn't have the advantage over other remaining guards that DMC/AD have over other frontcourt players.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:46 PM
His point is that the record shouldn't matter because if DMC/Anthony Davis had that bad of a record together, then why are they both all-stars. Excluding the fan vote, he is saying they both would have made it regardless. And I agree. The difference in why they both would have made it anyways is because there aren't two frontcourt players better than them from the remaining pool. I mean, you're going to have to start looking at guys like Marc Gasol or Zach Randolph. I guess Kyle Kuzma? But really? So I explain to him that the people who are selecting this have many reasons to choose who they choose. I simply gave him reasons as to why they may have chosen Dragic over Ben even thought I would have selected Ben. But Ben doesn't have the advantage over other remaining guards that DMC/AD have over other frontcourt players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSezq9sf4S8

FlashBolt
02-02-2018, 09:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSezq9sf4S8

You're such a child. I love it. I'm assuming you're in your 30's. Good to know.

Life advice: Opposite of MTM and you will be gold.

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 09:53 PM
You're such a child. I love it. I'm assuming you're in your 30's. Good to know.

Life advice: Opposite of MTM and you will be gold.

:laugh:

lol you are the one insulting left and right and allowing an internet ahem child help you have life altering moments lololol... I am just laughing at the anger.

Chronz
02-02-2018, 10:24 PM
LOL this dude is so proud of the team of role players being a 4 seed in the East. Do they hang banners for that?
That is your ceiling and will be unless you have some miracle offseason again. Congrats on Dragic, the glorified role player making the all star team.:rolleyes:
You only prideful of 1 team each year or the ones that get fancy banners?

Chronz
02-02-2018, 10:26 PM
:laugh:

man this is glorious. So if not for the fans AD and Cousins doesnt belong???? I will continue to wait. They are a worst team than bucks/pacers/heat/blazers yet they would have 2 all stars.... How can that be? Maybe because they are top players who have great seasons and record means ****.
The older we get the more of a team game we see

Chronz
02-02-2018, 10:28 PM
what does Miami have to do with anything? You are justifying an all star spot on team record which is fine but if that is the case and weight goes into one player over another because one team is the 4th seed and the other team is an 8 seed and or out of the playoffs then the same merit should go into the fact that both the cavs and bucks are underachieving and their all star players i guess dont deserve to be there even if they are by far better players correct??????

This is called logic... Your argument is insinuating this flawed premise above... If one player has been better than another player they should be in the all star game period... Its the all star game and not the best player on a top seed or best player playing on a team playing above expectations award. I also had this same argument when the hawks players made it... its stupid


Oh and i am not advocating ben simmons in the all star game... I think he has quite clearly been an all star and better than dragic but my guy and the future goat is already there so I am happy... I am just in shock at the horrid logic in this thread.
Can you be an all-star when you suck so hard without embiid?

More-Than-Most
02-02-2018, 10:43 PM
Can you be an all-star when you suck so hard without embiid?

why wouldnt it? it worries me if he ever goes down because they run a ton of it through him... without a jumpshot and no embiid he is easy to defend... he still has the all star talent and all star out put he is just easier to defend without a guy like embiid.... Its also not just embiid we have had our main lineup like 5 games this year in total.

MTone8788
02-03-2018, 09:00 AM
I can understand the notion that Dragic made the team so the Heat had someone to represent the Heat, just like Iguodala did one year and Jrue Holiday another. But I do think Simmons deserves it more over Dragic. The Sixers have had the strongest strength of schedule so far this year, and the Sixers are better with Simmons on the floor than the Heat are with Dragic on the floor.

However, it would be weird for a current 5 seed to have no all star representation, though I don’t think the Heat will stay there. It’s all good, Simmons is a rookie and will probably get in next year and the years following.


Btw, the all star was on the bench when the Heat made their run last night. Good job.

GREATNESS ONE
02-03-2018, 12:22 PM
I just hope the Eagles win so all the Philly fans will stop whining... ;)

MTone8788
02-03-2018, 12:30 PM
I just hope the Eagles win so all the Philly fans will stop whining... ;)

My bad, I thought this was a forum where I could be objective. Didn’t think I was whining.

GREATNESS ONE
02-03-2018, 12:33 PM
My bad, I thought this was a forum where I could be objective. Didn’t think I was whining.
Hahahaha I didn’t even know you were a Philly fan! Nothin but love! Just messin. Really do hope you guys win tomorrow though!

MTone8788
02-03-2018, 12:35 PM
Hahahaha I didn’t even know you were a Philly fan! Nothin but love! Just messin. Really do hope you guys win tomorrow though!

I hope so too, it should be a great game. It’s not easy to knock off Brady and Belichek though.

GREATNESS ONE
02-03-2018, 12:40 PM
I hope so too, it should be a great game. It’s not easy to knock off Brady and Belichek though.

Don’t let them record your walkthrough! Or mess with your communication! Or deflate the balls! America has your back! Beat those cheating bastards!

GREATNESS ONE
02-07-2018, 11:43 AM
I guess, Simmons can get in now since 1/2 the EC roster is injured

mightybosstone
02-07-2018, 11:51 AM
So, I get that it's guys from the East who keep getting injured, and so those guys are typically replaced with guys from that conference. But with the new format, why can't we get away from that and just select the best player available?

I'll admit I'm totally biased here, because I can't believe Chris Paul isn't on the All-Star team, but guys like Dragic, Drummond and maybe Simmons are. That just doesn't seem fair...

zn23
02-07-2018, 12:11 PM
So, I get that it's guys from the East who keep getting injured, and so those guys are typically replaced with guys from that conference. But with the new format, why can't we get away from that and just select the best player available?

I'll admit I'm totally biased here, because I can't believe Chris Paul isn't on the All-Star team, but guys like Dragic, Drummond and maybe Simmons are. That just doesn't seem fair...

I totally agree with you. In this type of format they have, where it's not East vs. West, why not just take the best guy?

Because in the current format, the only eligible players to replace KP are Ben Simmons, Enes Kanter and Hassan Whiteside. All very good players, but none even close to CP3.

GREATNESS ONE
02-07-2018, 12:21 PM
what a joke

tredigs
02-07-2018, 12:39 PM
I totally agree with you. In this type of format they have, where it's not East vs. West, why not just take the best guy?

Because in the current format, the only eligible players to replace KP are Ben Simmons, Enes Kanter and Hassan Whiteside. All very good players, but none even close to CP3.

Nah it will be Kemba or Simmons. Probably Kemba.

GREATNESS ONE
02-07-2018, 12:42 PM
Nah it will be Kemba or Simmons. Probably Kemba.

if it's Kemba, I'm gon laugh so ****ing hard because the Philly boys are gon whine so hard

HandsOnTheWheel
02-07-2018, 12:48 PM
So, I get that it's guys from the East who keep getting injured, and so those guys are typically replaced with guys from that conference. But with the new format, why can't we get away from that and just select the best player available?

I'll admit I'm totally biased here, because I can't believe Chris Paul isn't on the All-Star team, but guys like Dragic, Drummond and maybe Simmons are. That just doesn't seem fair...

Agreed.

TheDish87
02-07-2018, 12:53 PM
if it's Kemba, I'm gon laugh so ****ing hard because the Philly boys are gon whine so hard

not really. Kemba is more deserving then Dragic. Dragic is our issue. Miami was in 4th and now sit in 7th and lost to us in a game Simmons mightily outplayed Dragic the day after the announcement.

tredigs
02-07-2018, 01:18 PM
Yeah, I mean Kemba has a better case than Simmons (both have a far better case than Dragic). And imo the vet should take precedent even if Simmons has been as good (again, I don't think he has). I would like to see my All Star point guards in the NBA shoot Free Throws better than rookie Shaq.

TheDish87
02-07-2018, 01:27 PM
wait, i dont wanna turn this into a Sixers/Simmons argument but you dont think Ben Simmons has played good so far???? thats insane.

tredigs
02-07-2018, 01:34 PM
wait, i dont wanna turn this into a Sixers/Simmons argument but you dont think Ben Simmons has played good so far???? thats insane.

Who said that? He has been good, but not All Star good imo. Kemba really should not be an All Star either but everyone Lebron picked is immediately cursed/injured and he has been better than Simmons.

TheDish87
02-07-2018, 02:25 PM
Who said that? He has been good, but not All Star good imo. Kemba really should not be an All Star either but everyone Lebron picked is immediately cursed/injured and he has been better than Simmons.

ah got ya, i just misread the way your worded it then.

FlashBolt
02-07-2018, 02:55 PM
I think Ben is having a superb rookie season and by East standards + seeing as how four players have gotten injured, it makes sense to have him. But if we're truly evaluating if he is an *All-star* type player, which IMO, the top 30 players should have the label, he is simply not an All-Star, yet.

Scoots
02-07-2018, 04:21 PM
The fact that Kemba/Simmons are the names being mentioned for the game is telling about the talent gap east to west.

FlashBolt
02-07-2018, 07:50 PM
The fact that Kemba/Simmons are the names being mentioned for the game is telling about the talent gap east to west.

Yes. Lowry wouldn't even be an All-Star this season if we removed conferences.

Jamiecballer
02-07-2018, 10:49 PM
The **** are you talking about clown? I'm a wade fan.I don't get you. I understand being a fan of greatness but there are quite a few choices in the NBA right now and any one them would be insulted to be considered on par with Dwyane Wade at this point in time.

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Jamiecballer
02-07-2018, 10:58 PM
Without Embiid, not a very good team
Without Simmons, still a good team.Thats reaching. They are barely a good team so far with both. Utter junk without either.

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GREATNESS ONE
02-08-2018, 12:07 AM
I don't get you. I understand being a fan of greatness but there are quite a few choices in the NBA right now and any one them would be insulted to be considered on par with Dwyane Wade at this point in time.

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You're not a fan of me? Wade03 has a POSTER of me in his room next to his Wade poster

FlashBolt
02-08-2018, 02:02 AM
Thats reaching. They are barely a good team so far with both. Utter junk without either.

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They would probably be a 3rd-4th seed if Embiid didn't miss those 9 games. I would say that's pretty good.

warfelg
02-10-2018, 08:44 AM
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Simmons throwing some major shade out there about being passed up a 3rd time to be an all star replacement. Don’t look now but he’s been ripping it up since the Drummond selection.

warfelg
02-10-2018, 09:50 AM
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:laugh:

And just saying but:
When Drummond go in, they said it was because of stats, and now they are only good because of Blake Griffin.

When Dragic got in, they said it was because they were a 4 seed, and now they are only 1 game up on the Sixers.

Now Kemba gets in, and again the argument is stats, but Simmons is better everywhere but PPG on a lower USG%.

The list of excuses for not including him is quickly fading. And not only that, there's an outside chance for climbing to the 5-6 seed for the Sixers by the ASG, with our next 3 being against LAC, NYK, Mia.

And especially that Dragic this to me is why the compulsion to need to 'reward' a 'good' team with an all star player is the stupidest thing in the world. Miami was playing one of the easiest schedules in the NBA to the point of him being named. The Sixers played the hardest schedule in the NBA. The Heat's schedule starts up and Dragic's play just goes downhill and the team starts losing. Compulsion to reward a player because of team record for the ASG is stupid and needs to end.

Scoots
02-10-2018, 11:34 AM
Simmons could still get a shot ... the list is down to just him now.

warfelg
02-10-2018, 11:48 AM
Simmons could still get a shot ... the list is down to just him now.

Somehow they'll put someone else in. To me it's just silly the way the replacements went. Mostly because the argument is different every time and it's just maddening. Its an exhibition game for the fans. Give us who the fans/media who have the time to watch multiple games/teams who they want.

Scoots
02-10-2018, 01:06 PM
Somehow they'll put someone else in. To me it's just silly the way the replacements went. Mostly because the argument is different every time and it's just maddening. Its an exhibition game for the fans. Give us who the fans/media who have the time to watch multiple games/teams who they want.

It's not that the story changes ... it's that there are multiple reasons to put other players in too and there was no clear cut reason Simmons should be in over them.

Some "reasons" I haven't heard mentioned:
1. Simmons is a "rookie" and the NBA seems to prefer not to have rookies in the ASG.
2. Simmons has a teammate in the game already and the NBA prefers to have representatives from as many teams as possible.
3. Injury replacements have nothing to do with skill or talent ... it's all about PR because it's the commish choosing who the replacement is.

cmellofan15
02-10-2018, 11:40 PM
You're making a fool of yourself, I'm rooting for the Cavs not the Heat. I'm just saying Dragic deserved it, why should Philly have 2 all stars when they're behind the Heat in the standings and the Heat have none? Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of, I can already tell your knowledge is garbage!

Well....who’s the fool now..?

WaDe03
02-11-2018, 01:18 PM
Well....who’s the fool now..?

A fan of the Nuggets